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LTRBroke up with my LTR: My findings and observations. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Code-Purple

About me: 21 years old, been cheated on once, used to be 35% body fat at the age of 18, currently at 14% and still dropping. Started learning TRP since 19 but never applied it because my SMV was very low and I was a little bitch too scared to even talk to women.

About this girl: 23 years old, been cheated on twice in previous relationships, is currently following a course for becoming military police.

We met each other in the gym, we both were hard working people who were focused on progression, me because I used to be a fat fuck and had to climb up the SMV ranking, and she because she needed to be fit for her course and of course for the SMV too. I was attracted to her, she was attracted to me, we fucked shortly after we met and went on from there.

After a month long FWB relationship I decided to LTR her because she fitted my schedule and enjoyed being with her in my free time. She maintained me pretty well by cooking for me, taking care of my needs and handling small things so I can focus on bigger things.

After a LTR of 6 months I decided she was holding me back more than I like to admit and that I had to go my own way again, also, she slowly started doing less work for me, basically all the things that made me attracted to her in the first place where gone and the only thing that I enjoyed was the sex. It was yesterday night when I made the final decision to break up with her and I did, she snapped, I grabbed my belongings, told her I’d drop her shit off the next day and went for the door without any discussion. When I came home I decided it would profit me if I removed her from social media so she wouldn’t come back at me and because I felt our relationship was done and I don’t want anything to do with this girl anymore because she fucked up. Moments later she contacted me, tells me she has feelings, and wants to build a future together, and suddenly becomes the most submissive girl I’ve ever seen, now this is where many men fuck up, they go ahead and give her another chance hoping she will stay submissive like this, news flash, she will not, you’ve just shown her that you accepted her behavior, she will dump or trade you in shortly after this and this eliminates her reality of her fucking up in the first place. Do not fall for this, I know how tempting it is.

Lessons learned:

  • Make the decision for yourself: When making a decision like ending a relationship, do it because of you and because it will profit you. Don’t even think about her feelings, this is about you, not her.
  • Do not fall for her attempts of recovering the relationship: If she’s still crazy about you, she WILL try to recover the relationship, women don’t like to be dumped because it fucks with their ego, once you fall for the recovery trap you WILL get fucked over and dumped by her later on so she can believe she ditched you.
  • Don’t provide too much comfort: After the first few months I thought I didn’t have to be on my best anymore because we were already together, I didn’t keep her motivated to work for me because I stopped showing her that she’s replaceable.

There's probably a lot more lessons to be learned from this, please state them if you see them.

Thank you TRP, for learning me how to navigate through situations like this, I hope some of you find this information useful for if you ever get in a situation like this.


[–]NikolaGeorgiev 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Damn it, son, I've failed once on the "Oh, no, I have feelings, give me another chance" shit after she fucked up. It ended a month after that and it was suddenly my fault. hahaha She even tried the LJBF shit on me. Talk about disrespect.

"Plus my dick is like a man with a mind of it’s own But I’m trying to be strong, remind myself she ain’t about shit These hoes the same, all that change is the outfit Looking for cheese on some mouse shit Suck a nigga, fuck a nigga, then go run they mouth quick"
J. Cole

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 75 points76 points  (11 children)

The biggest lesson here is the vetting process, or lack thereof in your case, and the damage it has on the course of any relationship for a man.

a course for becoming military police.

Generally only women carrying a lot of masculine traits would dare venture into such a career, red flag for LTR.

After a month long FWB relationship I decided to LTR her because she fitted my schedule and enjoyed being with her in my free time.

After her hardly lifting a finger to earn it, and you barely getting to really know or understand her or how she operates, you give up commitment. This indicates lack of abundance and desperation. Essentially you slashed your value in her eyes and gave her un-earnerd comfort, which is why this happened:

she slowly started doing less work for me, basically all the things that made me attracted to her in the first place

Why would she? You've given her the comfort she wants so easily, shown no signs of abundance to threaten her place until:

decision to break up with her and I did

Finally her comfort is threatened, once again she is made to work for her position so she goes back to

and suddenly becomes the most submissive girl I’ve ever seen

By withdrawing commitment and therefore comfort, she is now a women once again fighting for the attention of a man showing himself to be high value. (non-neediness, abundance etc)

When a man is displaying the traits of a masculine Alpha, a women will show the corresponding traits of a feminine women trying to obtain an alpha.(submissiveness, nurturing) etc

[–]Code-Purple[S] 35 points36 points  (8 children)

I LTR'd her way too soon, provided her too much comfort and allowed her into my life too soon and too easily. I became aware of the fact that she has masculine traits which, combined with the other factors at play here, led to the end of the relationship.

Thank you for your input, I appreciate it, a lot.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 26 points27 points  (5 children)

No worries, introspection, reflection and experience are the stepping stones for growth, you're on the right track.

Keep at it.

[–]Sciptr 5 points6 points  (4 children)

How do you make her “earn” an LTR?

[–]1v1crown 11 points12 points  (2 children)

You take things away from her that she wants (money, attention, humor, attention, doing things for her, attention, spending time with her, ATTENTION) when she starts to slip, then give them back when she gets back on her game, like you would training a puppy or a child. And if she never gets back on her game, and decides that instead of doing her job to get what she wants back she will just try to shame or bully you into giving her what she wants, you break up with her and ghost like she meant nothing to you.

Being red pilled is to strip away everything other than logic from your interactions with people. When you look at an LTR through red tinted glasses, what I've laid out above is the only way an LTR can work.

[–]Sciptr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What do you personally count as slipping?

[–]1v1crown 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Doing things or not doing she would of never thought to do or not do while you were dating which make you less attracted to her. This can be a number of things, essentially getting lazy. It can be whatever you notice that makes your gut tell you "did... did this bitch just do that..?"

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Assuming she desires you, at some point she'll bring up the point of exclusivity. To give this up immediately would men giving her what she wants as she asks for it. Worse yet is when a man gives it up without her even asking it.

Making her earn it would entail denying her this commitment until she has proven over a long consistent period of time that she is a worthy option. If she invests well in the relationship, is good to you, treats you well, fucks you like a king consistently during this period, then she is well on her way to earning it.

Note: Contrary to what most women think, just spreading her legs does not stand as grounds for earning an LTR

[–]TheLastMgtow 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Experience is the best teacher my son.

So make all the mistakes you need.

And dont be afraid to one day accept the reality of mgtow, that is where all TRPs end.

All roads lead to mgtow or death.

Pump and dump or go monk mode.

[–]fuggetboutit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same story here homes, maybe even worse. Took me hella lot to recover myself.

There is a genius post on trp about this thing precisely, only way more detailed and longer in terms of time.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A female police officer, lol.

[–]Imperator_Red 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My cop buddy told me that female cops actually use deadly force more often because they are less able to just wrestle dudes to the ground and cuff them. Makes sense - I wonder if there are any stats available. If they exist they are probably buried at the bottom of some deep state vault.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 19 points20 points  (8 children)

It was yesterday night when I made the final decision to break up with her and I did, she snapped...Moments later she contacted me, tells me she has feelings, and wants to build a future together, and suddenly becomes the most submissive girl I’ve ever seen

This is why the application of dread throughout courtship and early in the relationship is critical. If a woman fears she could lose you at any moment, she will ALWAYS give you her best, not just to save the relationship.

I am working on a new guide at the moment, and it will cover how to put this into application.

[–]4thAndLong 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Looking forward to your guide. I'm currently 1 month into vetting a girl. Having trouble with giving her too much attention and time. I like her a lot so far and haven't seen any red flags yet. But I know i need to do more to properly vet her.

[–]Self-honest 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Stop giving her so much attention and time.

[–]4thAndLong 9 points10 points  (4 children)

oh wow, I hadn't thought of that.

/s

[–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What part is giving you the most trouble? As far as I'm concerned I just don't commit my time or attention unless we're hanging out. So it's as simple as "stop doing it."

[–]4thAndLong 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just the fact that I truly enjoy her company and she acts sane. I'm stuck between giving her too much time (with the intentions of just finding out more about her and maybe trying to find a red flag) and intentionally ignoring texts and creating space so I can do other things. So yes, I can "just do it". But I want to do it for the right reasons without coming across as an asshole because she hasn't given me a reason to.

[–]Self-honest 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You don't want to come across as an asshole when she gives you a reason to (that's reactionary). You want to be an asshole all the time. Consistency. Frame. Etc.

Vetting doesn't matter if her attraction level to you is dropping. I'm in the process of plating a super hottie who is probably out of my league except for the fact that I'm the shit.

I really enjoy fucking her, and I like spending time with her too. Every time I think about doing something, I do nothing instead and she messages me about how she can't wait to come take advantage of me.

I'm exercising restraint. It's working in my favor.

Good luck!

[–]4thAndLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll just do it and gauge her reaction and attraction levels.

Good luck to you too, man.

[–]arythmetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would love to see more LTR contents.

[–]Imperator_Red 45 points46 points  (16 children)

is currently following a course for becoming military police.

As a vet... huge red flag. Never date military chicks. There's two reasons. First: Just think about it - what the hell kind of woman wants to join the military?? It's just a bizarre goal for a woman to have. Second: these women inevitably become whores because they are surrounded by so much cock all day long. They have their pick of the litter. It's inevitable. They also have to adopt masculine personalities to fit in and survive, which is obviously fucking gross. You gotta feel bad for them mostly. Our insane society lets women make these absolutely terrible life decisions instead of patting them on the shoulder and gently nudging them back into the kitchen.

[–]Vulgar_Professional 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Whores, lesbians, and emotionally damaged chicks. That's about it.

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    [–]Auxfite 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    From what I heard military chicks get new dick every day

    [–]TheLastMgtow -4 points-3 points  (11 children)

    Never LTR any woman unless you are getting paid in gold for it.

    You should be done with any woman in a few weeks, or get ready to slowly fall and become less of a man than you were before like the op.

    All men in LTRs get weak, or stressed. Women are a weakness, they hold men back from achievement and selfactualization.

    Redpill more red than that you wont find.

    [–]Imperator_Red 10 points11 points  (10 children)

    You should be done with any woman in a few weeks,

    I don't think even the most extreme red-pillers suggest that you can only see a woman for a few weeks before you next her. This is senseless. Even for a plate or fwb, this would mean that even if you bang her on the first date, you are only getting a maximum of like 10 bangs out of her, assuming you see her a few times a week.

    [–]TheLastMgtow -1 points0 points  (9 children)

    Correct. Have other women to bang, not just that one, and you will be fine for the most, except for jealousy (which is normally good) and psycho behavior from her part and maybe a false rape allegation. You can bang her for 9 months, but you will be playing games, and wasting your head on that. Nobody got time for that. It depends on what you need to experience yet. A lot of men moved on from LTRs, because they realize that female companionship is what makes men weak. Men companionship, your bros, the pack, the gang, is what makes you truly strong as a man.

    Its all in the context. But in general you should not be with a woman longer than sex, thats how we evolved as males. Women perceive weakness in commitment especially in the modern polyamory days.

    The longer you are in a relationship the least respect she has for you. And the more vunerable you will be to shit tests.

    The power of men in relationships and society is as much as is capacity to walk away.

    [–]psycho_sid 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    And how exactly do we have kids? I don't want a beta raising mine.

    Sure, getting out of the game changes us, but i still train several times a week, look sharp, do really well at work and remain high value, while my woman takes care of my house and kids.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    And how exactly do we have kids? I don't want a beta raising mine.

    Thats precisely how 90% of alpha male offspring was raised in history lol.

    If you want to have kids and a family there are many realistic options in the world today. You can go to a non-feminist country and others that i dont want to discuss here. Having kids in a feminist society with a female that was raised on a diet of social media, gossip and reality shows, even if she is a "good one" you being with her just because of muh babies is already scarcity mentality and weakness. You will be a whole life hoping that she doesnt pull that trigger of that gun you willingly passed into her hands.

    The kids have been the downfall of many men. And especially if you have them in the western world you will be absolutely crushed by the system that is being implemented and getting worse. Your kids will not be "yours" in the sense of the word. Your boys will be educated and destroyed by a feminist society to turn them into beta slaves. Your girls will be educated to be pumping material, materialistic consumeristic, blaming the father and expecting the father to pay and be there for them with all her feminist bullshit. You can also transmit them good values, and they will be an easy target, will resent you and blame you for everything, and then turn into mad max warriors not sure where really to turn to and seeing the world as their enemy.

    Oh and dont forget to do paternity tests no matter how nawalt she looked to you.

    [–]psycho_sid 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    That's precisely how 90% of alpha male offspring was raised in history lol. <== I know that, which is why i said I dont want a beta raising mine.

    From your handle, I don't see any fruitful conversation coming out of this exchange, just that your view is simply that, your view. I don't need to go to a non feminist country to raise my kids. My woman? Yea, she's pretty awesome, not perfect, but I'm not bound by marriage, and what, she'll take half my stuff if we break up? yea, half is hers. So big fuck. I can earn it all back in no time with my salary. It's just that, material shit.
    My son's education? I keep a close eye on that, I feed him red pill every chance I get. I've been red pilled for a few years now, so I started young with my kids.

    Being red pilled doesn't mean giving up on women and kids. That's being a fucking wimp. That's my pov. I do what I can to RP everyone I can at home and work and everywhere else I can.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    To each his own. Good luck.

    Being red pilled doesn't mean giving up on women and kids. That's being a fucking wimp. That's my pov. I do what I can to RP everyone I can at home and work and everywhere else I can.

    Then you would say 80% of men are wimps right? Or some of the best warriors and conquerors in history that totally gave up on women and kids, for glory and etc, were wimps...

    You are just trying to protect yourself from the truth. There's not even a comparison. Fathers and married men become sedentary drones. Low T, fat, lazy, all comes after a few years of marriage. History is filled with men who settled and built walls only to be conquered by those who did not have such a weakness and were always ready, unattached and unafraid.

    This is the ultimate redpill, women hold you back.

    But to each his own.

    [–]psycho_sid 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Then you would say 80% of men are wimps right? Or some of the best warriors and conquerors in history that totally gave up on women and kids, for glory and etc, were wimps... <= Not many warriors left today. If one of those warriors show up, i'll take back my words. In 2018, yes, most men are wimps. Who do you think is going to make a better tomorrow? yea, sounds cheesy, but it's reality. Not you. Mgtow (before kids), are just that, mgtow. They've given up, they don't want to be bothered. Who's going to make things better for the next gen? A bunch of ageing old single guys that just want to pump and dump? Yea, great, let the blue pills raise your kids. That's why I call em wimps. Your posts are just that, posts. They make zero difference in the real world. Ok, this sounds more like a rant, but it's how I see things.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Mgtow (before kids), are just that, mgtow. They've given up, they don't want to be bothered.

    Ok bro i was following until this. Given up on what? On having kids? I didnt give up on it. I will simply not have a family or kids in the west, where you can be cucked really bad. For example check this dude out:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/PrimalEdgeHealth

    He escaped the US and formed a family in a place where he has control, and look, the family looks great, kids are happy, wife is respectful. You see? Its different. The west was not made to have families. Its a free for all, made to enslave men through family and wife.

    Mgtow didnt quit, mgtow completely debunked it for you. You might not like what you see, but its the reality.

    Western women only want to marry after 30. Until then they are pumped and dumped 100's of times, that should put off any man. Then they marry the only type of men that would accept them, weak men, cucks, men that are completely broken by society, brainwashed. These men work to sustain a woman that will slowly manipulate them and castrate them. These women meanwhile also work and fuck the boss for promotion etc... The kids go to a feminist school, and grow up listening to simp music. Girls grow up worshipping Kim Kardashians, and end up as hoes. Finally, after years, woman blame the beta husband for her unhappiness, she divorces him and takes everything. If he is not married, she accuses him of DV, and gets compensation. Then women, go back the rest of their lives unhappy buying cats, and spending all the money of beta husbands in tons of shit, giving back to the system all what husband worked for. And you think you can raise your sons in that system and make them healthy. Its a very uphill battle, because they will be growing around other kids that come from this background. But more power to you.

    Mgtows exist now, because men back in the days refused to fight, and formed families with hoes, (baby boomers). And now its up to us men, to fight and get back our power, and remove ourselves from society until it collapses. Its up to us to fight this battle, because men still bargained with this system. Mgtow should have happened 50 years ago...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrlVAmG6oo

    This one is for you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rczdj_ngM

    And this one is essential for any man who plans to LTR a woman to know what expects him.

    Who's going to make things better for the next gen? A bunch of ageing old single guys that just want to pump and dump?

    Sure dude. Go ahead. Take one for the team and save western civilization. You are being used. They always count on some last minute captain save a hoes, even after they shitted all over men for decades. For sure nobody should be shamed to sacrifice to save a society that doesnt deserve saving. We will simply think on ourselves, we men, we are free men, we are individuals, we will not fall for the gulag and collectivism. Let them and their women handle the problem. To ceasar whats ceasar.

    I have been in a few LTRs, and had sex with many women. Travelled, and had ltrs with different nationalities, thats how i learned english and other languages. You might think that mgtows are quiting to make yourself feel better. But if this is quitting why does it feel so much like winning? At the end of your life there is no score board. Life is about accomplishment, achieving, and your purpose. We monkeys never really cared about if our sperm was the one that impregnated the hoe, we always went our own way. This sir, that you see in modern society is called the domestication of men. We are more than that. We dont buy into the dna and genetics bullshit. We are free and wont get cucked to that either.

    I wish you good luck. Because obviously there is no way out for you now. Im free and free man will stay.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 11 points12 points  (10 children)

    The longer you stay in an LTR the more she will lose respect for you.

    The power of a man is only as much as is willingness and option to walk away.

    Men and women evolved so that relationships trigger 4 chemicals in the male brain to make him docile, addicted, and more submissive in a monogamous relationship with a woman, they are serotonine, dopamine, endorphine, and the worst one Oxytocin, this one reduces testosterone.

    After you banged a few girls and you experience a few ltrs, assuming you dont marry and you dump them, you will arrive at the ultimate truth, MGTOW.

    MGTOW doesnt care about your idealizations of the world. Is the ultimate natural truth. The return of the lion to his natural self, to hunt eat and never stay around one female only again.

    You realize the scam that monogamy is especially in modern times. I realize the scam that society itself is.

    It is only done by those willing to be enslaved or cucked. Those who dont mind having a woman poiting a gun at them and relying on her generosity not to pull the trigger.

    You realize that men never wanted to be in an LTR with a woman, and it is all societal conditioning. That you have nothing to gain really after a few weeks with one women, and you risk contracting oneitis, thats the price you pay for scarcity mentality.

    Truly, avoid most relationships with women, especially LTR, cohabitation, and marriage i dont even have to mention.

    Remember that the only way to avoid the chemical changes and feminization of the unnatural forced cohabitation with a woman, is to go monk mode, or pump and dump several women. Things are getting tough, and i would say fucking escorts is better, healthier, and less risky overall than being in an LTR.

    Remember that its better to be alone than being with only 1 woman.

    [–]civilization_failed 2 points3 points  (9 children)

    Say monogamy is a scam all you want, but I don't think it is. The rules people are brainwashed with by the law society is where the scam lies.

    Maybe I have low testosterone or something but I actually really enjoy long term companionship.

    I used TRP to get it, I use TRP to keep it, and I'll use TRP to walk if I have to, but for now things are working wonderfully. Largely thanks to TRP.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Wait. Lets see if you can see my point. Why do guys that do TRT start seeing women purely as sex objects, and avoid relationships with them? Why do boys before and during puberty hate to be around girls. Only the feminine gay dudes want to be around them. Why do men that have higher estrogen become more clingy. Why ltr lead to low testosterone fat men. Why marriage does the same?

    You are correct that the rules are made to make you vunerable to commitment and fear getting out of it. But thats how you get trapped bro.

    LTRs are made to benefit the woman not the man. Read Women's infidelity if you want to understand fully the processes of an LTR. I ask you a question. If a woman is with you for 9 months, and then you break up, and she goes bang a bunch of guys, does that sound good to you? You perhaps dont want to think about it. But you are doing the role of the commited beta, when others will have it for free, or had it already for free.

    It is cuckery, although disguised by society and women tricks. LTRs and a marriage are long term cuckery. They of course dont want you to know this.

    To each his own bro. Good luck.

    [–]civilization_failed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    You make a pragmatic point, and I agree with you, but I'm trying to raise a son right now not spin plates.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The problem is if you protect him too much you become overprotective. If you let him go, its like he is going to war. But about being a father i know nothing. Good luck bro.

    [–]Trenned_out 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I agree with your overall point. However I want to make a distinction, or perhaps just play devils advocate, about one part. When you refer to the guys who pump and dump an ex as "getting what you paid for, but for free." I think this is an overly simplistic view.

    Sure if you are the typical modern beta, you don't get much more from a woman than the guy who is pump and dumping (and sexually might get less).

    But I'm sure there are red pillers who have had LTR's who have gotten so much more out of that woman than any guy who she had a short term fling with. I have a 67 n count and only ever had one LTR. I can say for certain I got more out of that LTR than I ever did the scores of girls I fucked and thats that. I mean this both in the love, companionship, fun memories, and experiencing how great a feminine woman can treat you when she is in love and wants your approval, and sexaually. Besides all that other great stuff, I know with a reasonably level of certainty, that I got more from my one LTR in the bedroom than any of the other men she slept with. I know I know , AWALT, however considering there were countless sexual things I actually had to explain to and show her, I don't think that was faked.

    To be clear I'm not endorsing LTR's, I'm not saying they are a net positive or negative. I'm just saying it is possible to get much more "out of" them than a pump and dump.

    [–]TheLastMgtow -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    All that you said is basically what men use to not need from a woman. We have degenerated into this. Everytime i hear a guy saying he enjoys the time with a woman because they feel happy together, it tickles my balls.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rczdj_ngM

    Watch this video.

    Men are so sick these days they degenerated into beta cucks, that instead of forming the gang with other men, where you supposedly get your true energy and healthy companionship and conquer their place on eart, they cuck themselves to relationships with women, that are toxic, no matter how you put it. Its so sad, because we are alone, and divided, so we fall for the drug that is women. If you have your shit together. If you have your click, you dont need no bitch, for nothing. Needing a bitch to be happy, is already a sign that we lost our balls. We were not like this before.

    Sometimes i found it insulting when a female thought i was boyfriend material. You know what that means? We are living in feminist, polyamory shit, where women have a dual sexual strategy. Most of the girls i banged didnt want me as a boyfriend, and that was a compliment.

    [–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Although I don't think we are arguing complete opposite points, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Even in a red pill aware context, I believe that men can benefit from the feminine nature of a woman being around at times.

    The part about not needing women when you have your close circle of friends is something I agree with after some introspection. I've moved around a few times in the past 5 years and looking back, when I had a tight circle of good male friends, all I desired from women was sex. No-homo, because those close male bonds fufilled much more of the social or emotional need that humans have.

    Your last paragraph is interesting though. For years before being red pill aware I would try to pursue relationships with women who didnt' want a relationship but just to hookup. Once taking the pill I saw that I was basically only displaying alpha traits, then when I showed some beta side wanting the relationship, that turned her off.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    We agree to disagree bro. But you have to realize there is no going back to bluepill, there is only more red, and thats where you are going. One day you will realize well u/TheLastMgtow was right, im not happy around any hoe whatsoever, i actually never really wanted a hoe. Then you will feel as if you were duped for years and years. The fact men these days waste their time chasing pussy is enough proof that we are slaves and we have no spine, we were conditioned and broken to be this way. Many of the dudes here on this sub were rejected and abused by women and the system that puts them on a pedestal. They are so gaslighted and traumatized yet they it is unthinkable for them to even take a stand and go mgtow.

    > I've moved around a few times in the past 5 years and looking back, when I had a tight circle of good male friends, all I desired from women was sex. No-homo, because those close male bonds fufilled much more of the social or emotional need that humans have.

    No-homo. You see why do you think male friendships are demonized as gay? Why do you think you got no male teachers back in the days? Why do you think we are being raised by single mothers? This is whats homo. Homo is when you have no male friends, and you act like a fucking bitch, and you chase women like you are their fucking bitch, thats whats homo. Guess what, when i had strong group of male friends in my life, i have no problems attracting women. Because its very important, it is the most important thing in your life. You actually develop a different posture, you become more confident, and you know you have your pack of wolves with you and you have someone to stand for, as opposed to when you go entire weeks dealing with one female (marriage and ltrs), you become a fucking bitch.

    >Once taking the pill I saw that I was basically only displaying alpha traits, then when I showed some beta side wanting the relationship, that turned her off.

    Alpha even on a surface is always better than being a fucking bitch. However you never really get to see their true face (except in the very last minute). When i was bluepilled, i let my guard down on purpose to make her show me her true colors, i was not yet aware of AWALT, so i thought let me test her maybe she wont act like that. And thats a good thing, because then you can see what was coming through if i spent any longer with this hoe. But the truth is awalt, and testing a woman in that way is always sure to fail, so you better just leave her. Another good thing about displaying beta behavior is that it triggers bad behavior from the woman, so then you get an excuse to leave quite fast, the problem with this is that even if it is her fault she will hate you and blame you, so again better just leave her. Better just be a mgtow and pump and dump when they happen to beg for it. Ill even pay for it if its necessary, i will not give my honor playing games and jumping through hoops for a hoe.

    Remember all roads lead to mgtow or death.

    [–]TheLastMgtow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Read Womens infidelity of Langler and this:

    https://archive.is/DqZPO#selection-2245.0-2245.92

    [–]civilization_failed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Is that just available in Kindle or is there a paperback source you're aware of?

    EDIT: For anybody looking for the book, its here:

    https://cloud.mail.ru/public/CFga/sDsnSeDTu

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Don’t provide too much comfort: After the first few months I thought I didn’t have to be on my best anymore because we were already together, I didn’t keep her motivated to work for me because I stopped showing her that she’s replaceable.

    This is exactly it. Men let their guard down, and women just walk all over them.

    Never, ever let your guard down. It's the end of attraction and the end of your relationship, but not the end of your providership of resources and security.

    [–]Code-Purple[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Exactly, once you have done this there is no turning back because you have already shown that you have let your guard down.

    [–]1v1crown 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    basically all the things that made me attracted to her in the first place where gone and the only thing that I enjoyed was the sex

    Every LTR I've ever been in.

    [–]BobbyPeru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Solid post. When it’s over, it’s over. Nice job staying the course . She will keep trying ... with more clever and enticing moves... stay vigilant.

    [–]brandclark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Was in a similar boat. Felt like my LTR wasn't providing much for me and I just liked the sex. I ended things with her and she was attacking me for a good two days. After that, she became submissive and told me it was her that has to do better and she would change for me. Funny how things work.

    [–]Icarus663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    LTR is a fucked game no matters what. You just don't have to enter on a monogamous LTR never.

    [–]vfb14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What I took from this and admired from you was your ability to be able to differentiate the pros and cons of the relationship and made the right decision based on the current facts. Most men get blinded by emotions and sometimes continue certain situation for as long as possible because of their scarcity mentality. Everyone has emotions but it is important to learn to control them and not the way around. It's all about compartamentalization my friend, learn it and use it. Good for you.

    [–]1walkingthelinux 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    is currently following a course for becoming military police.

    I guess you like the feminine women then?

    [–]DeeplyDisturbed1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I had to go my own way

    because she fucked up

    Dude, YOU pulled back and SHE fucked up? This one was all you bro.

    [–]st3roids -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Why the fuck you want long time relationships at 21 , you think you are redpill , apparently you aren't . Tip don't do ltr till you over 30, meet women, have experiences and do your thing , that's all there is

    [–]Code-Purple[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I NEVER stated that I think I'm red pill. I did this to make progression and I did, everybody has to start somewhere and has to experience situations like this to learn.