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Building PowerAlways Assume The Worst. Protect Yourself From Getting ‘Metooed’. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by johnpayne10

This article is in response to a post floating around. The post is based on a falty asumption that 'You can protect yourself from getting metooed if you have game/are an alpha.' Not only is this kind of attitude utter bs, but it is actually a sure-fire way of ruining your life.

 

Always assume the worst guys. Always prepare for the worst. I don’t care how suave your game is, how sky-high your smv is, I don’t care if you are the reincarnation of Casanova himself. Protect your ass. Literally.

 

Assuming that having game/being an alpha creates ‘genuine attraction’ and can protect you from getting metooed is ludicrous. A woman can cry rape even if you made her pass out from continuous orgasms. Even if she was begging to suck your dick. Women have a hamster up there, not a rational brain. It is capable of producing any kind of absurd notions, based on her current emotional state.

 

A woman can cry rape even if she called you her ‘true love’ last night. Even if you made her pass out from continuous orgasms. Even if she was begging to suck your dick. Even if it was consensual, between two adults. Hell, she will cry sexual harassment if you simply stare at her for 5 seconds and claim that you stalk her regularly.

 

Women are hardly the nurturing, caring partners they once used to be. Not to mention, they are emotional, not rational. Thus, capable of producing any kind of absurd notions, based on their current emotional state. Throw in her need for ‘social validation’ (not wanting her peers to judge her for being a slut), the current metoo climate, single moms and shitty feminists vilifying masculinity and you have a real, life threatening problem for all men out there.

 

And yes, my dear friend. The Slutty Stacy you fucked last night can ‘metoo’ you to save her reputation. Or the dumb Nancy in your office can get you fired for a fake 'sexual harassment' allegation. Your life, freedom, struggles and future does not mean jack shit to her.

 

I will give you one simple, shining example of why it is important to protect yourself, why nothing is worth years of prison. Remember Mike Tyson? Yes, the guy who became a 'World Heavyweight Boxing Champion' at the age of 20. He was a ‘ALPHA’ in every sense.

Fame, wealth, physique/looks, masculine demeanour, he had it all. He was at the height of glory. His SMV was off the charts. Any random Jane down the street would gladly suck his dick and thank god for it.

 

Do you remember his rape case? Desiree Washington (the accusor) was seen publicly kissing him in the back of a limo, going to his hotel at 1:30 am. Even a child can tell that he did not ‘rape’ her. I mean she went to his hotel room at 1:30 AM. To do what? Play monopoly?

Guess what? The panel of cuck-jury deemed him guilty. The biased judge armed with shit laws, did not take her previous sexual conduct into picture. (a former boyfriend of her submitted an affidavit stating that she had pulled the rape card on him as well). Mike was arrested and his life was ruined. His wealth, fame, boxing career gone.

 

And this was back in 1991, guys. We live in 2018. Metooing someone, crying rape, ruining lives of men is a sport nowadays. It is fashion. Given the absurdly high number of false rape claims, it is obvious that these women lack sympathy/empathy or any kind of humane notion towards men.

 

Look at the recent Kavanaugh case. Crying rape 30 years later!! A strategic, political move to ruin his life.Does anyone call bs on that? Nope. She gets 100% support by media while Kavanaugh is shamed and destroyed publicly.

 

Moral of the story: Don’t trust anyone. Ever. You can be the Chaddest of Chads with unparalleled game and still get ‘metooed’ and assfucked in prison just because some random hoe regretted society calling her a slut and decided to ‘metoo’ you. Or did it for revenge, political/societal gain, or just plain schadenfreude.

 

Always protect yourself. Have a cctv at your place. Save chat logs. Hang in public places, kissing and cuddling. Send a post sex ‘confirmation’ text and get her reply. Consult a lawyer on adequate measures to safeguard yourself. Do everything in your power to protect yourself from a potential rape claim.

 

Also, spread this message to others. I have written this post because I don’t want my red pill brethren to suffer from false rape claims. Warn and protect your brothers and friends from this nonsense.


[–]Seaay00 59 points60 points  (7 children)

Yes, be wary. Wear condoms, save texts and record audio. But at the same time, it's futile to become paranoid, just like girls being paranoid about getting raped. Keep a low profile, and don't become a public figure.

[–]FindTheBus 31 points32 points  (1 child)

and don't become a public figure.

but thats the best way to get groupies

[–]rma92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

High risk, high reward?

(Is it reward?)

[–]tempolaca 10 points11 points  (4 children)

and don't become a public figure.

If you SMV is high enough, you will become a public figure.

The inverse is also true: if you become a public figure, your SMV skyrockets.

[–]arythmetic 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Listening to a Bald Public Figure on Periscope (you know the one), he mentioned that a random woman accused him of rape.

He had never met this woman. He had never had intercourse with this woman.

She called his female partners from his businesses and almost got him into trouble.

The only thing that saved his reputation, both internally and in the public eye, was that the woman had history of mental breakdowns.

The reason I mentioned the story is to point out a better warning would be:

If you are a public figure, it will happen whether or not you did the deed.

Preventative Medicine would be to not become a Public Figure.

If you are a Public Figure, you need Contingency Plans and a Strong Public Frame.

[–]DevkiKinteSiski 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I can't believe "a history of mental breakdowns" is what it takes to prove an allegation false, not the lack of evidence, not the anonymous accusation, not the talking to HR rather than the feds.

[–]arythmetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our communication is based on story-telling first and foremost. Everything you mentioned is necessary for the pursuit of truth but completely unwarranted in establishing hierarchies in our minds, especially NOT among women. This is why the accusers always craft emotional-based stories. By the time you craft a bulletproof defense, you would already be ostracized.

[–]LucidCunning 71 points72 points  (17 children)

" ...just because some random hoe regretted society calling her a slut and decided to ‘metoo’ you."

I've emotionally overcome a lot of RP truths, but this one still depresses me. I know of so many stories involving women who, JUST TO SAVE FACE, destroyed a man's life. I have friends that this has happened to, personally.

None of us would play Russian roulette, but we still fuck women. Sometimes I genuinely wonder if it's worth the risk. After orgasm, the answer is usually, "no."

[–]johnpayne10[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I've emotionally overcome a lot of RP truths, but this one still depresses me. I know of so many stories involving women who, JUST TO SAVE FACE, destroyed a man's life. I have friends that this has happened to, personally.

Typical female behaviour. Lack of personal accountability, hamstering her way out of it by blaming it on someone else, ASD kicking in to grab the victim/damsel in distress status.

None of us would play Russian roulette, but we still fuck women. Sometimes I genuinely wonder if it's worth the risk. After orgasm, the answer is usually, "no."

As men, we have to play this roulette. This reminds me of a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche.

"The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything."

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Bare in mind the female hamster is not designed to be purely a destructive device, that comes as a byproduct of it's original purpose, self preservation.

She does not maliciously plot the ending of mans life and career, it's just that her biology(solipsism) drives her to put herself and her emotional state first.

They have a truly astounding ability to spin a story that that best fits her emotional state, and she will believe it to be true, she will convince herself she was wronged.

Females need a healthy emotional state for mate selection. Men were built with physical prominence, women don't have that, so instead develop more emotional skill, ingrained Dark Triad type traits.

It's not true emotionless psychopathy though, but rather restructuring reality to fit a more palatable narrative.

[–]LucidCunning 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I almost feel bad for women, the more I learn. They are mentally helpless for seeing the world as it is, if this is the case. I can count on one hand how many female exceptions to this rule I know, and they were SMV7 AT BEST at their peak, meaning they had to develop other life skills to survive.

[–]pm_me_your_pk 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What happened when the frog felt sorry for the snake?

[–]LucidCunning 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can pity someone from far, far away. Haha.

[–]halfback910 5 points6 points  (2 children)

There was a chick at a university near me who lied about being raped, which was later proven. Why?

Well, her father wouldn't have approved of her having sex with a black guy willingly. That's why.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Straight out of To Kill A Mockingbird

[–]halfback910 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed. Did you read Go Set a Watchman too? I did but wish I didn't.

It was pretty obviously thrown together from a bunch of Harper Lee's notes and a lot of characters' behavior was totally different from Mockingbird (Atticus throws in his lot with the KKK for vague reasons that aren't properly fleshed out?)

Basically after Harper Lee's sister died her lawyer and publisher worked together to milk the money cow for one last batch of milk. Pretty despicable.

[–]TheLastMgtow 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"What? Thats cause u aint alpha'nuff. Hold ya frame bra, and its all good."

lmao.

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    [–]LucidCunning 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    ^ That's what my thrusting cock says before I finish.

    [–]pm_me_your_pk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    After orgasm, the answer is usually, "no."

    That's why they call post-coitus "wise man time"

    [–]bonusfruit[🍰] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    You guys are almost there. Mgtow calls

    [–]spistruth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    this whole post is a recruiting ground for mgtow.

    [–]DevkiKinteSiski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think it's always been this way, even during Ye Olde Conservativee Timese. I'm pretty sure that's when "he got me drunk and took advantage of me" came from. It's just as evidence-lacking, post-act-rationalizing, and reputation-harming as an accusation now, but today those accusations will put you in the ground.

    [–]Loze1 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    I almost had it happen to me a few years ago. Still shaken up by it, for something I didn't even say. She even said I touched her, which I didn't. The only way I got out was because I asked a gang leader for help. They would've lost me in jail if that guy didn't tell them they'd all be dead if they went through with it. It's so corrupt here, I had to take a drastic action like that to walk free today.

    The accusations would've stuck to anyone. I don't even want to approach women anymore, it scared me into being MGTOW. I'm only on TRP for the self improvement posts. I'm just going to build a better life and live alone.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    Jesus. Going MGTOW is not so bad I suppose. You can still fuck escorts and do whatever the fuck you want.

    [–]BigMawsmidget 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    I use to be apart of Redpill before I found MGTOW, and I do still love Red pill for what it brought to my life, but as of right now I'm gone screw the game now it's no hope, and being MGTOW has brought a lot of clarity to my life actually.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 31 points32 points  (5 children)

    Great post, very timely.

    Women are hardly the nurturing, caring partners they once used to be

    I don't believe they ever were. The difference in times of old is that they tried harder to appear that way - because men demanded it. Now that they can get away without appearing to be good mothers they have mostly dropped the facade. It's a fundamental fact of human nature that human nature doesn't change much.

    The biased judge armed with shit laws, did not take her previous sexual conduct into picture. (a former boyfriend of her submitted an affidavit stating that she had pulled the rape card on him as well).

    It is illegal to say anything bad in court about a woman accusing a man of rape. Her reputation and previous conduct cannot be taken into account. The prosecution can and will paint her as a virginal saint, and there is nothing the defence is allowed to say against it.

    Look at the recent Kavanaugh case. Crying rape 30 years later!! A strategic, political move to ruin his life.Does anyone call bs on that? Nope. She gets 100% support by media while Kavanaugh is shamed and destroyed publicly.

    It's insane that women are protected while men are not. Even though women willing proclaim their rape-victim-status publicly on social media, the court will protect her. No man ever says "hey, I'm a sexual abuser", but his status as such is declared in court with absolutely no protection.

    The reason for the difference in these two treatments is nothing to do with the crime and everything to do with the genders of those involved. Only penis owners are defined as rapists, only women as rape victims. And only rape victims have their identity and reputation protected in court, not coincidentally these are always female. And only accused rapists have no protections, and again not coincidentally these are always male.

    Always protect yourself. Have a cctv at your place. Save chat logs. Hang in public places, kissing and cuddling. Send a post sex ‘confirmation’ text and get her reply. Consult a lawyer on adequate measures to safeguard yourself. Do everything in your power to protect yourself from a potential rape claim.

    And if the worst happens say nothing to the police (they only want a conviction) and certainly never admit that you even had sex. It's much harder to prove that sex happened than it is to imply that the sex you admit happened wasn't consensual.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Great post, very timely.

    Thank you.

    I don't believe they ever were. The difference in times of old is that they tried harder to appear that way - because men demanded it. Now that they can get away without appearing to be good mothers they have mostly dropped the facade. It's a fundamental fact of human nature that human nature doesn't change much.

    Funny how we never noticed how much their so-called qualities had been pedestalized. It is probably because we never held them accountable for anything. So their flaws remained hidden. Now that they have been given privileges and equal rights, suddenly their true nature is unveiled.

    And if the worst happens say nothing to the police (they only want a conviction) and certainly never admit that you even had sex. It's much harder to prove that sex happened than it is to imply that the sex you admit happened wasn't consensual.

    Yup. Always remember that the police are not your friends. Don't fall for that trap.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    it is probably because we never held them accountable for anything. So their flaws remained hidden. Now that they have been given privileges and equal rights, suddenly their true nature is unveiled.

    Right. It was "girls are different and need to be looked after", and we did.

    Now it's "girls are the same and therefore deserve special privileges" and they are (of course) fully taking advantage of those special privileges and their actual nature is revealed.

    [–]LucidCunning 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    " It is illegal to say anything bad in court about a woman accusing a man of rape. Her reputation and previous conduct cannot be taken into account. The prosecution can and will paint her as a virginal saint, and there is nothing the defence is allowed to say against it."

    OMG, REALLY? CITATION, PLEASE!

    [–]Patriot29 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Federal Rules of Evidence, Rule 412:

    (a) Prohibited Uses. The following evidence is not admissible in a civil or criminal proceeding involving alleged sexual misconduct:

    (1) evidence offered to prove that a victim engaged in other sexual behavior; or

    (2) evidence offered to prove a victim’s sexual predisposition.

    [–]Thunderbird93 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    Cristiano Ronaldo recently got meetoo'd. Just settle out of court with the hoe,point is, being rich shields you from this bullshit if you play your cards right. Ronaldo paid a hoe $300,000 to stfu and his case seems to be on the low. Funny part is the hoe kept quiet,probably spent all the money now wants attention so is trying to get into the spotlight.Shits sad bruh

    [–]H4RV3YSP3CT3R 17 points18 points  (10 children)

    Again, not all women will pull this shit but a vast majority will, Make sure not to stick your dick in or have any form of friendship or relationship with a Girl who shows signs of any cluster-B personality disorders (Mainly BPD) or depression. You've effectively minimized a significant amount of bullshit just by doing that.

    [–]mejuwi1 3 points4 points  (9 children)

    How do you start identifying these women especially if you are meeting for the first time?

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

    If a girl claims she has been abused in the past, run away. Tattooes, piercing, turning spiritual all of a sudden, lack of self-restraint, her views on politics and society, her spending patterns, her physique. Tons of things.

    [–]Magnus_Konrad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You have effectively described my ex wife. I'd also like to add forearm scars from cutting to this list.

    [–]trp1784 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    I've dated 3 crazy women and they all check off nearly everything on that list. Some other things they all had in common is they all made the first move or made it extremely obvious they wanted to fuck right away, they were really easy. The sex was amazing and they wanted it all the time, they also got attached pretty much instantly and wanted to be by my side 24/7. Unlike a normal relationship where you kinda know it's not going to work out well in advance and things slowly deteriorate it was an instant change with them, pretty sure all of them cheated, one I can confirm and she went from basically obsessed with me to completely cold as soon as she hooked up with that other guy. They also usually fail to hold down a job for more than a few months because they are so emotionally unstable, usually use men to support them. They usually "can't stand women" and almost all of their friends are guys.

    Edit: One more thing they all told me basically the same thing within a couple weeks of having sex with them, maybe worded differently but basically the same. They also say this shit to every other guy they target. "I've never met a guy that treats me as well as you do, I don't know what I did to deserve someone as amazing as you, I've never felt this way about anyone before."

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Empty words without any emotion. But then again, what can you expect from girls who have been riding the carousel since their teenage years. After fucking countless men, it just becomes a script for them.

    [–]thetotalpackage7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Add being an SJW to the top of this list

    [–]H4RV3YSP3CT3R 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    How to spot a slut -

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2org8m/how_to_know_you_are_dating_a_slut_source_i/

    How to spot a Crazy -

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/57637x/how_to_recognize_crazy_before_youre_targeted_a/

    Look out for all that shit, no matter how good looking she is, next her, and you'll only find worthwhile women.

    [–]toolate4redpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Read that Slut post. Like I've said before I went thru a phase in my 30's where I was tired of bad divorces and cheating women so I got into swinging. Holy fuck what a revelation, being a sexual deviant was fun. One thing tho every really slutty swinger chick whether she was a normal swinger chick or a porn actress was sexually abused as a child. One HUGE difference with "normal" women is these women were 100% open and honest about everything, they didn't hide anything if it was about their past or weird fetishes they had. I dated women who were total sluts but hid it so well you'd never know.

    [–]wayneinthegame 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Tatoos and piercings are a red flag. Most of the crazy ones bring it up. You can bring up mental health.

    [–]Kyson5 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    "Hahaha look how fragile your masculinity is" "Found the rape apologist/incel"

    Say stuff like this in real life and this is what you'll be greeted with. We are in the age of 'believe freely feels and the victim, don't give two shit-coated flying fucks about evidence"

    [–]tempolaca 29 points30 points  (1 child)

    #believewoman

    What the fuck with that tag, how that is not completely insane since the Hamurabi code written 5000 years ago? Are we supposed to believe whatever half the population say without evidence? and millions of men and women supporting this? we are living in crazy times.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    It is a twitter fueled 'feel good' tag. It does not have anything to do with reason or logic. It is essentially a display of typical feminine behavior. And oh, some faggots are joining them too.

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Interesting enough....none of my female relatives believe this woman at all.

    They took one look at her, said she had mental issues and were not surprised at all that she refused to release any of her therapy notes.

    So don't actually think this is a much female problem as a SJW or leftist groupthink problem.

    [–]idrinkyour_milkshake 10 points11 points  (7 children)

    Cristiano Ronaldo just got accused, I can't think of anyone with more SMV than him.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

    Just saw the news. I am like wtf. This shit is unbelievable. But then again...hey it is reality. I am actually surprised that people actually buy this shit. Like WHY THE FUCK would ronaldo rape someone? Or sexually assault someone? I mean he gets laid with fucking models. Prettiest girls around the world would throw themselves at his feet. How can anyone take this seriously?

    [–]1roadmaptonowhere 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    This Ronaldo case appears to be different tho. I saw the leaks from FootballLeaks. You can check the thread about it in the soccer subreddit. He basically admitted rape to his attorneys. "She said no and stop a few times". Plus, there is the report from the hospital where the girl went after... There was signs of forced anal penetration. He is fucked. Apparently, he has no game or frame at all. From the girl's side of the story, he begged her to kiss him. We'll have to wait.

    You're right when you say he could fuck most girls in this world. What fucked him in this case was his ego.

    [–]KaraethonCycle 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I don't know about Ronaldo (haven't looked at the details, but if these details are true it is pretty damning) but it's not unusual for famous guys to be gameless betas. As Rollo says, alpha is a state of mind, and just because Ronaldo is a genius with a ball, doesn't mean he has that state of mind.

    NB: He will get a huge amount of attention and attraction because of his fame, and girls will indeed throw themselves at him, but that in itself doesn't make him alpha.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Woah...that is actually hard to believe. Someone should give him red pill. Anyways, there is nothing confirm about it. I will take it out of the post.

    [–]8BitMunky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The evidence does look pretty damning for him.But I can't help but think the timing for these accusations is really convenient. I mean, Ronaldo just recently joined Juventus, after almost a decade in Real Madrid. Why didn't she speak sooner?

    [–]tempolaca 19 points20 points  (9 children)

    Crying rape 30 years later!!

    Not even rape. "Attempted rape".

    I've in dozen of situations when I was 16 year old that might be now called "attempted rape" I tried to kiss a girl once when I was 16 in high school, I was joking, it was 25 years ago. Was attempted rape? obviously not. But if you ask her now, she might say yes.

    In fact I'm #metooed right now, not for rape but for "following" and "looking too much" at a girl at job. Obviously I did no such things, and are impossible to prove. Nevertheless, this psyco girl accused me and it's not the first time she's doing it.

    As a result, since a year ago my SMV tanked, my LTR leaved me and it didn't affected my job because I'm independent but I expect it to happen in the future. #metoo can happen to anybody, and if you are a visible member of your community, it's very likely to happen.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    metoo can happen to anybody, and if you are a visible member of your community, it's very likely to happen.

    This is the crux right here. Everything is leading to this moment when accusation of sexual assault has become the perfect weapon for feminism to take over.

    • step 1: Do not leave any space a male one only. All communities must include women

    • step 2: Shift the culture from the masculine one recognizing merit, to the feminine one enforcing consensus and "safe space for all"

    • step 3: Shift the view on the male part in the mating dance (that males must press females for sex), from one of "daring and risk-taking" to "assault".

    • step 4: Shift the view on justice from a need for physical evidence, to a need to cater for feelings.

    • step 5: Putting it all together - Accuse men in power (or on track to power) of sexual assault (#3), no need for evidence (#4), use culture of consensus (#2) to get the community, which is half female (#1) to remove them. Put women in their place.

    I don't believe any of this is premeditated. It is just the natural path for the feminist-minded: the mindset of those who believe women are oppressed but don't quite know how and thus don't have a well-defined end line to their fight.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    step 1: Do not leave any space a male one only. All communities must include women

    California just passed a law: No more all male boards.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    Exactly. It is a real threat to all of us. Doesn't matter if you are a good guy or a bad guy. Your life can be ruined by any crazy bitch out there. Just take a look at how many guys suffer due to shitty female colleagues and HR policies. Not to mention, HR will blindly stand in favor of women.

    [–]tempolaca 12 points13 points  (5 children)

    Look at what happened to Damore, allegedly in google, one of the most liberal work environments. He wrote a quite light, science-backed memo, and was fired on the spot.

    Ask anybody who it is now in google, it's SJW hell, you are forced to call other employees with random pronouns (not joking, have a friend on google). I don't know how that's legal.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    'you are forced to call other employees with random pronouns'. Are you serious? Googles degrades itself bit by bit, losing its image inch by inch.

    [–]tempolaca 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Yeah they have some kind of "personal" employee page when you have to specify your gender, and I kid you not there are like 100 genders. And every gender has their pronoun and you have to use that pronoun in meetings our you can get denounced to HR.

    Everybody in the local google office picked random genders just for fun, and they laugh when they cannot remember the made-up pronouns for each one.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    That is both hilarious and scary.

    [–]redzorp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    And a physicist at CERN recently got suspended for daring to state that "men invented physics"

    The whole world has gone mad. Absolutely mad.

    [–]tempolaca 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Also he was completely right. A physicists would not say something like that with fucking numbers backing him up. However...it was useless.

    Except, notably, for Marie Curie, there were no advancements done by women in physics. Hell, scratch that, there are no advancements done by women in any field. They do help, that's for sure. But they don't have the obsessiveness required to go the extra mile and advance a topic.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 37 points38 points  (11 children)

    How do you propose protecting yourself from an allegation 35 years ago? Against an anonymous accusation you have no idea of?

    I get the goal, but it's really going to be out of your control if and when it happens. And sure, you may be able to develop all these personal protection measures you're talking about, but what then?

    An accusation of a revenge porn studio, recordings of tons of girls naked etc. You're not mitigating anything, just shifting where it goes. And all the while, all that mental effort, all those resources would have been much better spent elsewhere.

    There may not be a way ahead here, just do your thing, unburdened by the risk of losing your middle class empire. If anything, that risk tolerant mindset may actually help you achieve the kind of success that is required so that you can actually get an accusation.

    Never forget, Kav wouldn't have gotten accused if he owned a used car lot. How many people here will actually recieve such a status in their lives that they will even have these 'alpha male' problems?

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    How do you propose protecting yourself from an allegation 35 years ago? Against an anonymous accusation you have no idea of?

    Obviously, no one can protect himself against the reputation damage dealt by such an accusation. The best thing to do would be to hold frame, call bs on it and hire the best lawyers to sue the fuck out of her for defamation. Anyways, this article aims at making men aware of the dangers of 'false rape claims' and 'false sexual harassment' allegations.

    Never forget, Kav wouldn't have gotten accused if he owned a used car lot. How many people here will actually recieve such a status in their lives that they will even have these 'alpha male' problems?

    It is not really a 'alpha male problem'. College kids suffer from rape allegations. Middle class officer workers suffer from harassment claims and get fired from office. The best way to deal with all this is to act as smartly as possible, doing your best to keep your ass out of jail.

    Obviously, it would be a waste of efforts if you never get accused, but I believe it is better to be aware of this issue and take appropriate measures than spend the rest of your life broke/in jail.

    [–]tempolaca 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    How many people here will actually recieve such a status in their lives that they will even have these 'alpha male' problems?

    This!

    As I told many times before, I got accused by a crazy feminist girl one year ago and my life has been hell. Notably, another guy did worse things to her (insuted her in public, touched her, etc.) and she acknowledge it, but she didn't go after him. She went after me, even if my "supposed crime" is way lighter (she claim I followed her in a conference).

    But the other guy is not famous, and I'm a little local celebrity, a public figure. Remember: they go after celebrities and very high SMV men because they want attention over all.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    I wonder how many guys want femenism and metoo to flourish.

    Toxic masculinity? At least that means I'm masculine!

    [–]TheLastMgtow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Well. To be fair it will certainly teach some whiteknights a lesson. Look at those holywood male feminists that force fed bluepills down our throats for years, getting metooed.

    Have you seen the hearing? Kavanaugh was basically crying for mercy, and he said many times he was a defender of women. Let other men see how worthless that is.

    Plenty of tradcons are whiteknights and pussy whipped. And will shame you. Some of them deserve metoo.

    On the other hand, men get redpilled, and feminism selfdestroys.

    [–]Self-honest 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    The only solid points I've heard against Kav is that he looks guilty as shit and his expressions and responses are sketchy.

    How do you propose protecting yourself from an allegation 35 years ago? Against an anonymous accusation you have no idea of?

    Frame is king. Be believable. There's a lot to that, but I think you get my point. Frame is really all you have in that situation.

    I got accused to a friend years ago in college by some girl who would cheat on her boyfriend with me. My response was just a simple, "really? I can't believe she would say some shit like that" with an eye roll. Then I never brought it up again. It's in the back of my mind to this day, if I ever become publicly successful, will this re-emerge? But publicly I treated it as ridiculous as it was, I never confronted her about it, I wasn't emotional at all, and she came back around a few times after that trying to cozy back up (I did not allow it, was always busy).

    Anyway, long response. I thought it was relevant. Who knows?

    [–]thetotalpackage7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    what are you talking about, "he looks guilty as shit." you clearly did not watch his whole testimony.

    [–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I didn't say, "he looks guilty as shit." I said I have heard that from other people and it's literally the most solid thing anyone has said against him yet.

    [–]adminsaregayniggers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    against a 100% fake allegation, let's not forget

    [–]primo_pastafarian -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    Well for one, you DON'T do what Kavanaugh did. That guy absolutely disintegrated under questioning, and lost all frame and coherence.

    The answer to "how much beer is too much" isn't "I don't know, do YOU like to drink beer?" The answer is "well, everyone is responsible for their own actions, regardless of how inebriated they become. so, too much is probably the point where a person loses control".

    All he had to do was call out the damned thing for being the kangaroo court circus sham that it was, and deny any wrongdoing, and NOT answer questions like he was high on something, and he would have been fine.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    I didn't see that. I saw a guy who had some pride over an almost 40 year career. That is the look of someone who gives a fuck.

    Also, did you watch his 40 minute response to congress? I think he even used the words kangaroo court.

    honestlky, this whole comment reads like someone who never watched any of th etestimony, and is basing it off 3rd hand 'reviews'

    [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    100% agree.

    I would have been furious. The fact that all lefties can point to is him responding aggressively by saying "did you ever blackout?" In response to a Senator asking him a stupid question shows how good of a man he is.

    [–]ForgottenMemes 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Always protect yourself. Have a cctv at your place. Save chat logs. Hang in public places, kissing and cuddling. Send a post sex ‘confirmation’ text and get her reply.

    This is all fine, but it won't help you as much as you think. I worked in the LA courts for several years and saw numerous cases where totally false claims by women destroyed the lives of innocent men and sank legitimate businesses who followed all the rules.

    The first thing you have to understand is that the facts don't matter. Why are women like Ford and Sweatnik coming out with such obviously fake and baseless claims when no reasonable person would believe them? Because they've been getting convictions on less for decades. Innocent until proven guilty is a lie. You must prove your innocence and that is nearly impossible. Even if you record every encounter they can always claim something happened at some time when you weren't being recorded, it's impossible to prove that this isnt true.

    Your first line of defense against a false claim by a women is convincing her that she won't win. You need to do this before she is thinking of making a claim. Be sure to tell anyone you are involved with that you are recording your phone calls and saving your emails because someone you know had a false claim against them. Make sure any potential false accuser thinks that you know what to do if they accuse you and that they will end up going to jail for filing false charges. Exactly how you convince them is up to you. I cite my experience with the courts.

    Your second line of defense is the cops. Generally speaking the advice to not talk to the police is true, they are out to get you, however you want to get them as much information as possible about how crazy False Accuser is. If your lawyer gets a list of people who've met False Accuser and will say that she told them stories about how she's made false accusations in the past or is mad at you for some trivial reason most cops will sometimes drop the case. This is exactly what happened with Kavenaugh, in a normal instance of a false accusation the case would have been dropped because everyone who the police talked to didn't support Ford's story. If his case were to go to court there is a 99.9% chance he'd lose even though the claims are obviously false.

    If you do end up in court if seen acquittals in only 2 instances. First, the hard evidence is totally overwhelming AND catches False Accuser in multiple big, obvious lies. This kind of evidence is nearly impossible to get and it's even harder from a trained false accuser like Ford, she knows where to be vague. Believe it or not some women are dumb enough to admit they are going to file false charges against you over text or email. The second way is to have multiple witnesses that will confirm that False Accuser had planned to make a false accusation because of some trivial dispute, money or other despicable reason. This type of defense is easier to develop as it only requires a robust group of friends who are aware of the situation and willing to testify on your behalf.

    Be aware that the courts can and will, manufacture evidence and bring in people you've never met who will testify that they've known you for years and you've confessed crimes to them in private. I've seen this happen.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Be aware that the courts can and will, manufacture evidence and bring in people you've never met who will testify that they've known you for years and you've confessed crimes to them in private. I've seen this happen.

    Seriously? The only way to play against this would be planting similar fake witnesses against the opponent. Whoever does a better job wins.

    [–]ForgottenMemes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    You have to understand that the cops and courts care about winning not truth or justice.

    They can and will ruin your life and never lose a second of sleep. The way to come out unharmed is to help them win. You need to frame the situation so that doing what's in your interest is a win for them.

    This is why you cant let them charge you. Once they do, if you are not convicted, it's a loss. They will commit felonies to keep from losing (since they know they'll get away with it). If they see a case is crap, then dropping it is a win. If the prosecutor charges you then you HAVE to be convicted.

    If a cop comes to your door and you call him a pig then winning is arresting you. If you tell him your girlfriend is trying to use him to get revenge on you for forgetting her birthday, then winning is ruining her plan to use him.

    This is the sad reality of US courts.

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 6 points7 points  (6 children)

    Of course, none of that will protect you from someone claiming that you groped and rape them at an unknown place, time or event...35 years from now.

    [–]mattyiceheretoentice 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Also just read “Dr. Ford testified to the committee that another boy attended the party, but that she could not remember his name,”

    Like did she really get her doctorate?

    [–]thetotalpackage7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    she doesn't remember because that person wouldve been the homeowners son. identify him and now other evidence could've been used to call bullshit on her. cunt knows what she is doing.

    [–]mattyiceheretoentice 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Remembers absolutely no logistical details but hey, she remembers hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and wanting to make it look like she wasn’t attacked

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    As the one female attorney on NBC said....

    Troublesome that her only vivid memories are things which can't be verified or actually checked outside of just accepting and believing her credibility.

    This lady mentioned that she could not remember if she paid for the polygraph or on what day it occurred...she could not remember to whom she or if she gave a copy of her letter to Congressmen, reporters, or attorneys....and all of this was just last month but supposedly she vividly remembers an event from 35 years ago which everyone else she claims was there says never happened.

    And, of course, we do know she is a proven LIAR....in that she lied about the fact that she didn't or could not fly because of this trauma....when the damn nut has flown more than an Air Force test pilot...including 3 trips to Delaware and New Hampshire in just last 6 months.

    This is such a stupid spectacle.

    [–]mattyiceheretoentice 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    This shit is a game to them. The third accuser, Swetnick, has been terribly irresponsible and inconsistent with her statements. She apparently backed away from her claims of kavanaugh and his friend spiking and lining up outside of rooms where girls were being “gang raped”.

    Additionally, swetnick actually has a history of legal disputes and her ex-boyfriend of 7 years painted her as a total psycho and said she threatened to hurt his family

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Yeah....also for political reasons <metoo paranoia> nobody in DC apparently wants talk about what everyone seems to know about the Ford woman....a troubled person who had has such problems in the past that she had to leave family on the East Coast for the West Coast.

    Hence the refusal to release any of her therapy notes......

    [–]salinorum 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    I don’t get how conviction occurs in the absence of evidence. Guilty until proven innocent!

    [–]tempolaca 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    You wont believe it. Legally, you are still innocent, but in practice, if you are accused by a women in occidental countries, even without any evidence, they treat you as a criminal, they take your fingerprints, and give uni-lateral restriction orders (meaning you have to avoid her, but she can go whatever she wants, Ex. she can go to your job, and you have to leave).

    Even nazis had a more fair justice system.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Because who cares about constitution, right? Feelings over reality.

    [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Apparently, the only evidence they need is her word. That seems to trump everything

    [–]1atticusfinch1973 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    And the simple (and scariest) fact is there is no burden of proof on these women at all. All evidence is circumstantial and men are tried by the court of public opinion, which means they are guilty.

    What I'd love to see just one of these men do is actually hold frame and tell the world that the woman is a liar and laugh in the face of anyone who says otherwise, not apologize and even subject themselves to any scrutiny.

    [–]p_and_q 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    That would actually be very stupid. The best advice is to say nothing. Contact a lawyer and let him do all the talking. If friends or family try to bring up the subject, brush it off and say that your lawyer is taking care of everything, end of discussion. That way it really becomes her word vs yours.

    [–]SuperCrazy07 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That's pretty much what Trump did/does.

    [–]KaraethonCycle 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Let's not go overboard guys.

    Yes, random accusations can happen, but you could also get run over on the street tomorrow. Unless you want to swear off crossing the street ever again, all you can do is take reasonable precautions like looking both ways and getting on with your life. Same with women, unless you plan to be celibate forever.

    There is no such thing as absolute protection. There is always some risk. But the risk can be mitigated very significantly.

    The most important thing you can do - and this is what is meant by "being alpha" - is that you leave her with good memories and good feelings about her time with you - whether it was one night or one year. She must look back on that night and smile and cherish the memory of an amazing night with an amazing guy, not look back and think about the night she reluctantly gave a blow job (consensually) to a beta who kept pestering her (hello Aziz Ansari).

    In other words, leave her with good feelz, not bad feelz - because it is bad feelz that curdle over time into accusations like this. That is the single most important thing you can do.

    Then there are a few other common-sense things you can do:

    -I like to exchange positive texts the next day - usually I tell the girl how much I enjoyed the night and look forward to seeing her again, even if I don't plan on seeing her again - helps her feel like she wasn't just used for sex (NOTE: I do not lie to her and make specific plans or promises I can't keep) and importantly any positive reply from her about how she enjoyed the evening etc will be useful evidence in case of later accusations.

    -Don't kick her out of your bed as soon as you've slept with her - make some time for comfort and good feels, and ideally take her for breakfast the next morning. That additional time spent can be the difference between a "regret accusation" and a fond memory for her.

    -Calibrate to the girl and back off if she's uncomfortable with your escalation, and pump up her attraction before escalating towards sex. Pushing a girl who isn't (yet) attracted enough to you to have sex (or give you a BJ or a HJ, whatever) is a recipe for a regret accusation even if she consensually gives you what you want - it will leave her with bad feelz that can curdle.

    [–]punchyson 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Rape accusations are now a way to get attention, make money, get status and political power. Feminists have weaponized it and are going to play that card heavily. Ironically, they don't #believeher when it is a Democrat that is being accused.

    Like I think /u/Rian_Stone is saying, you have to be kind of careful with the way you are collecting your evidence too. A library of video of consensual sex might be exactly what a bluepill jury needs to see to put you away as a sex fiend.

    [–]AllahHatesFags 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I thought it was funny at first, but every single guy nowadays has to be Dennis Reynolds from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and videotape every sexual encounter. If a woman cries rape, tell her that if she doesn't immediately recant, the video will go viral and copies will be sent to her family and friends. I know there are "revenge porn" laws or something, but its not revenge, its exoneration and the penalty for these laws is nothing compared to the legal and social penalties for "rape".

    [–]primo_pastafarian 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    The Kavanaugh situation is a HILARIOUS example of what NOT to do. As cringe-y and difficult as it is to watch, everyone should watch that hearing and take lessons from it.

    An allegation 30 years after the fact is absolutely a he-said-she-said situation, and Kavanaugh handled it horribly. I honestly thought he was high on something while he was answering questions (and ASKING questions, lol).

    Kavanaugh could have walked out of there with a successful implementation of the "this is a politically motivated smear campaign" defense. Instead, he basically confirmed to everyone (men and women) that he was a total creep, and an idiot, and NOT someone you want on the Supreme Court. (though the christian fundamentalists will want him anyway, in an attempt to curtail abortion rights)

    Know how to protect yourself, to the maximum extend possible. Never talk to the police. Remember that any text or email between you and a woman might be used against you in the legal system. Think before you speak or text. Don't even ACKNOWLEDGE that you had sex via texts, if you can help it.

    It's a shame that we have to resort to this, these days. But the fact is, we are guilty unless proven innocent. And even when proven innocent, an accusation alone in the first place is usually enough to royally fuck up and ruin your life.

    [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Ahh, politics, so fun. It's never about what os said and what you watch. He did what he did for a very specific reason and it did work. Two of his accusers have been furiously backpedaling their claims. One just looks like an out of touch nitwit and is starting to clam up again. You have to look at the predominate theme of what he said--this has already ruined him and his family. It was a very, very strong warning to their lawyers, because they know all too well what the hell can happen to their clients in an actual courtroom.

    This is why a couple of the senators lost their heads too. It was to normalize the outrage.

    At this point, it is entirely partisan. If you think SCOTUS judges never lose their shit, you haven't been paying attention. They are not leaders. They are workers and every last inch of their work because public record. If you don't like him because you don't like his party, I can understand that. This theater we are watching is absolutely retarded.

    [–]thetotalpackage7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    let's see how much composure you maintain when a false allegation of being a serial rapist is leveled against you and you have to explain it to your 10 year old daughter and half the country who doesn't believe you.

    [–]rebelde_sin_causa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    If you believe all that you should live in a monastery. And I'm not saying you're wrong.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Doesn't sound like fun. As much fucked the world is, I still prefer to enjoy what I can.

    [–]Psychological_Radish 4 points5 points  (7 children)

    Seeing as I am the author of the post "floating around" that OP refers to (read: Why Game/Genuine Desire Are Critical in the #MeToo Era), I will take this as an opportunity to respond and clarify my argument.

    'You can protect yourself from getting metooed if you have game/are an alpha.'

    I never said that. In fact, I clarified in the comments section of my article that this is a general rule. The best practices advocated on this forum are about maximizing success and minimizing negative outcomes, but nothing can be guaranteed 100 percent.

    Seeing as TRP describes human behavior, which is inherently unpredictable, it should be taken for granted around here that positive statements should not be taken as logical absolutes.

    My reply to another user in the comments section of the original article is reproduced below:

    To be clear, nothing is absolute. But it holds as a general rule - Betas are more likely to get caught up in sexual harassment scandals than Alphas.

    In a lot of ways, this runs counter to what you would expect in a statistical context. In a world where the fruits of the sexual marketplace accrue to a small fraction of men, one would expect that the elite would make up a greater proportion of the accused. But they don't, and my argument explains why.

    All of these new societal rules imposed by #MeToo are for Beta men. Alphas are exempt, as has always been the case...because it's not harassment if you're hawt.

    He was a ‘ALPHA’ in every sense.

    First of all, a few counterexamples don't refute the overall veracity of my argument, as I have already explained. But let's look at this one in more detail.

    You claim that Mike Tyson was "alpha in every sense," but the evidence that you provide is pretty superficial. Anthony Bourdain was pretty "alpha" in his career as well, with a reputation for being a 'bad boy' and all the trappings of wealth and fame. But with women, he was a nothing more than a Beta kingpin. Rollo Tomassi covers the concept of the "paper Alpha" and the Bourdain case pretty extensively, so I won't get into that here.

    I am not familiar with the Tyson case, so I can't comment on the specifics, but it is certainly possible that she deployed LMR/ASD and he pushed too hard. That's what happened to Aziz Ansari. Ostensibly, Ansari's wealth and fame should afford him plenty of opportunities with women. But his accuser's account paints Ansari as a total Beta in his sexual escalation - a typical thirsty chump who tries to negotiate his way into her pants.

    Again, there are plenty of men out there who should be Alpha, but actually are not. And to negate the risk of being accused of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, I should reiterate that there is no way for any guy, even an Alpha, to totally insulate himself from risk. Perhaps Tyson was one of those outliers. Readers who are more familiar with the man can draw their own conclusions.

    Moral of the story: Don’t trust anyone. Ever. You can be the Chaddest of Chads with unparalleled game and still get ‘metooed’ and assfucked in prison just because some random hoe regretted society calling her a slut and decided to ‘metoo’ you.

    And I could get killed tomorrow in a car crash on the way to work. What is your point? You cannot eliminate risk in life, but you can certainly MANAGE risk. My piece explains why Game/genuine desire are the best way to manage risk in sexual relations.

    If you follow paranoia to its logical extreme, you end up with MGTOW...the equivalent of stuffing all your money under the mattress because you live in a state of perpetual fear. Is that really a solution? To some people, perhaps it is. But that's not what we are about here.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    Again, there are plenty of men out there who should be Alpha, but actually are not. And at the risk of being accused of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, I should reiterate that there is no way for any guy, even an Alpha, to totally insulate himself from risk. Perhaps Tyson was one of those outliers. Readers who are more familiar with the man can draw their own conclusions.

    I don't disagree with your article completely. To a certain extent, what you said was correct. (I even said that on the comment on your article. The gravity of this topic made me write a post about it.) But then again, you missed the fact that 'metoo' is no longer about a woman getting irritated by a beta. It is about destroying your life, publicly, in a really cruel manner. 'It is not harassment if you are hot.' It is a fact.

    But this movement we are talking about is not a dating relating fact or a quirk. It is a damsel-in-distress-claims-victim-hood propaganda which negatively affects all of us. We have to look at the bigger picture here. Today, it is Kavanaugh. Tomorrow, it could be us. After all, we are all men with healthy sexual desires. It is no longer a beta-alpha thing anymore. It is a man-vs-woman sort of a thing. You can see the implications of this movement everywhere.

    And I could get killed tomorrow in a car crash on the way to work. What is your point? You cannot eliminate risk in life, but you can certainly MANAGE risk. My piece explains why Game/genuine desire are the best way to manage risk in sexual relations.

    Game/being an alpha only helps in getting laid. It does not help you with managing the risk factor/protecting your ass. Sure, you would be better off than a hopeless beta. But if you don't understand the threat of metoo and the powerful legislative/societal measures at women's disposal, if you don't take adequate measures to atleast keep your ass out of prison, it will come back to bite you in your ass.

    Don't be paranoid. Have fun. Get laid. Just be smart and legally protect yourself. Damage to reputation is one thing. Going to jail is a different thing altogether.

    [–]Psychological_Radish 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    you missed the fact that 'metoo' is no longer about a woman getting irritated by a beta. It is about destroying your life, publicly, in a really cruel manner

    No, that is merely incidental...a means to an end. The feminine imperative's hijacking of #MeToo is about control. A totalitarian regime's raison d'être is not cruelty for cruelty's sake.

    It does not help you with managing the risk factor/protecting your ass

    Yes it does. If you can't understand how learning Game and assessing genuine desire would have prevented Moonves, Ansari, and all the rest from getting caught up in #MeToo, then you have no idea what you're talking about and there is no point in further discussion on this topic. Go read Rollo's writings on the matter and come back.

    if you don't take adequate measures to atleast keep your ass out of prison, it will come back to bite you in your ass.

    No, nothing definitely "will" happen. There is merely a chance that it will - and a small one, at that, if you have Game and RP awareness. You seem unable to grasp or accept the concept of risk and uncertainty. That should be the topic of my next RP post.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Yes it does. If you can't understand how learning Game and assessing genuine desire would have prevented Moonves, Ansari, and all the rest from getting caught up in #MeToo, then you have no idea what you're talking about and there is no point in further discussion on this topic. Go read Rollo's writings on the matter and come back.

    Don't speak in such a condescending manner. Christiano Ronaldo just got metooed. Like I said before, this is much bigger. It is way bigger than our normal alpha-beta discussions.

    You seem unable to grasp or accept the concept of risk and uncertainty. That should be the topic of my next RP post.

    Not even once did I say that you should go celibate/mgtow. I am saying assume the worst, don't think being an alpha will protect you and take appropriate measures to protect yourself. Even 1% or 0.1% chance should be taken into consideration given how grave the topic really is.

    [–]Psychological_Radish 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Don't speak in such a condescending manner.

    That is simply a fact, and I will say it again: if you can't understand how learning Game and assessing genuine desire would have prevented Moonves, Ansari, and all the rest from getting caught up in #MeToo, then you have no idea what you're talking about and there is no point in further discussion on this topic. If we can't agree on basic premises, then I don't see what there is to discuss here.

    And again, if you don't want to take my word for it, read Rollo. My post here merely builds on the foundation that he has established. Presumably you are familiar with his work, so you should look more into what he says on this topic.

    It is way bigger than our normal alpha-beta discussions.

    That has nothing to do with my argument; you brought that up, not me, and I do not dispute the severity. My post is about how RP tools can help one minimize personal risk. It isn't about #MeToo intrinsically.

    Not even once did I say that you should go celibate/mgtow.

    Cool; I never said that you did.

    To once again clarify what I actually said, (a recurring issue in this curious non-interchange), MGTOW is the logical endpoint of paranoia. I want to dissuade people from that notion, which has been raised several times in the comments here. Recall your own words:

    Going MGTOW is not so bad I suppose

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Recall your own words:

    Going MGTOW is not so bad I suppose

    It was just a casual thought. I don't endorse MGTOW.

    if you can't understand how learning Game and assessing genuine desire would have prevented Moonves, Ansari, and all the rest from getting caught up in #MeToo, then you have no idea what you're talking about and there is no point in further discussion on this topic.

    How do you establish genuine desire? A woman's mind is naturally fickle. Her opinions do not remain same. Today, she may think that you are the best lover she ever had. Few days later, she may think the sex was not good enough, she did not like it, she did not want it. She sees everyone raising 'metoo' warcry. Suddenly she turns into a foot-soldier and you stabbed in the back.

    Ansari did not rape her. Sure, he was not exactly suave, but he did not 'rape' her. You cannot really justify his lack of game for the enormous ordeal he went through. Do you really think that all these false rape accusations are a result of lack of game? Some of them, certainly. The rest of them? How about we teach men to look after their back by taking appropriate measures. Even raising awareness will help a lot of them. Lack of game is a factor. But that is not the problem. The problem is the widespread victim rewarding mentality in our society.

    [–]Psychological_Radish 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Someone hasn't been doing his reading.

    How do you establish genuine desire?

    I’ve never been an advocate for pushing past last minute resistance with a woman. From that point on in my life if there was any hesitancy on the part of a woman becoming sexual with me, and certainly once clothes were about to come off, I knew something else was affecting the needed sexual tension and urgency. Something else was mitigating genuine desire and I knew it wouldn’t be the kind of sex I wanted to have, or couldn’t already have had a better experience with another plate I was spinning at the time.

    -Rollo Tomassi, LMR, 2014

    A woman's mind is naturally fickle

    What most guys think are ‘mixed messages’ or confusing behavior coming from a woman is simply due to their inability (or refusal) to make an accurate interpretation of why she’s behaving in such a manner...in other words, it’s far easier to...fall back on the old chestnut of how fickle and random women are

    -Rollo Tomassi, The Medium is the Message, 2011

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I’ve never been an advocate for pushing past last minute resistance with a woman. From that point on in my life if there was any hesitancy on the part of a woman becoming sexual with me, and certainly once clothes were about to come off, I knew something else was affecting the needed sexual tension and urgency. Something else was mitigating genuine desire and I knew it wouldn’t be the kind of sex I wanted to have, or couldn’t already have had a better experience with another plate I was spinning at the time.

    A lot of men have to push through LMR to get laid. That does not mean they are raping or sexually assaulting her.

    What most guys think are ‘mixed messages’ or confusing behavior coming from a woman is simply due to their inability (or refusal) to make an accurate interpretation of why she’s behaving in such a manner

    We are not talking about inability to understand a woman.

    How do you establish genuine desire? A woman's mind is naturally fickle. Her opinions do not remain same. Today, she may think that you are the best lover she ever had. Few days later, she may think the sex was not good enough, she did not like it, she did not want it. She sees everyone raising 'metoo' warcry. Suddenly she turns into a foot-soldier and you stabbed in the back.

    I was talking about a woman's ability to hamster herself into thinking she was a victim. Combine that with metoo and you have a dangerous mix at hand.

    Your point was that 'having game/being an alpha protects you from metoo to a certain extent.' My point is 'it does not matter if you are a alpha or not. Rape laws, current social justice movements are ludicrous. Always protect yourself. Do everything you can to not get burnt.'

    [–]jdr67 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What color pill is mgtow? I forget...

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Haha...probably a variant of red. They are our brothers after all. Annoying and childish, but brothers nevertheless.

    [–]rebelde_sin_causa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    mgtow is the inevitable conclusion of trp

    [–]RedGunnera 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Recent news of a similar thing happening to C Ronaldo after he settled a sexual assault case in Nevada for half a mill. The money dried up and the woman is coming back for seconds.

    Any examples of good confirmation texts?

    [–]tempolaca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Look at the recent Kavanaugh case. Crying rape 30 years later!! A strategic, political move to ruin his life.Does anyone call bs on that? Nope. She gets 100% support by media while Kavanaugh is shamed and destroyed publicly.

    You know what happen if you oppose this? you get the #metoo partyvan. Right now, there are hiring managers on twitter looking at those developers that oppose the new Linux code-of-conduct and marking them as "never hire". But also posting this on twitter, to cause terror, because terror is an important part of the witch hunt.

    [–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Can confirm. Was metoo'd in law school. Currently have completed all academic requirements but won't recieve my degree for two years because I'm suspended for consensual sex the girl later regretted when it got around the law school (which is an especially judgemental, gossipy tight knit environment). Didn't help that there is absolutely no due process or burden of proof in these campus kangaroo courts.

    A big one I'd add besides the obvious like getting an "I had fun" text making sure she got home etc and screenshotting it, avoid fucking girls in your social circle. Saving reputation is a big reason for these false accusations.

    [–]1SirKolbath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And this is why I have said repeatedly that I won't fuck a girl without a camera rolling. If she doesn't like it, she can leave. Every moan, whisper, and word will be recorded and used as evidence to counter any attempt to hit me with a false rape accusation.

    [–]3CainPrice 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    This is panic-mongering.

    99 percent of the time, you can meet a girl off of Tinder, have drinks for an hour, and take her back to your place or go to hers for consensual sex, and never, ever get accused of rape. Most guys go their entire lives never being accused of rape.

    This crap where people appear out of the woodwork, decades after an alleged assault, to discredit rich celebrities and political figures - that doesn't apply to normal people like you. Some girl you met on Tinder last weekend isn't going to suddenly accuse you of rape three months later to save face. She's just not going to tell her next boyfriend she's had Tinder hookups.

    That said, you should engage in normal human interactions with a woman, as much as a courtesy and as a decent human being, than as a form of rape accusation prevention. You thank women who had sex with you and tell them you had a good time and will text them later because...you actually had a good time and it's polite to say thank you.

    I'm not saying that a false rape accusation can't happen, but they're super rare, and if you're just some guy meeting girls on Tinder or in bars, you don't work with her, her friends don't know you, and you're pretty much not in her life and were just some random hookup, she's not going to reappear months later accusing you of rape. False rape hysteria is an internet manosphere rage topic and is not a serious concern for regular people off of the internet.

    [–]tempolaca 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    This is panic-mongering.

    Dude, it happened to me.

    It happened to many friends of mine. This is not an uncommon thing.

    Do you know statistics? 99% percent of the time, means that if you fuck 50 girls, you have a 50% chance of getting accused of rape. Fucking 50 girls is something you can do in 5 years, very easily. 50% chance of getting you life destroyed is not panic-mongering. And it's much worse than 99%.

    [–]rigbed 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Not uncommon at all. Women listen to the news and copy it. It’s why the news does make a big deal of it.

    [–]Trenned_out 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Happened to me too. And I see it only becoming more prevelant as mainstream society convinces women that acts they performed consensually were "actually rape."

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It does not happen to everyone. But it is always a good idea to protect yourself from any such possible scenario. This article aims at making men aware of the very real danger of 'false rape claims'.

    Prevention is better than cure. And this is not even about a disease. It is about your public death. Your freedom, reputation, family life, social life, your past, your struggles, all gone down the drain. Better to learn from others and protect our own arse.

    [–]phibetared 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    99 percent of the time? You might be right. But that means if a guy bangs 100 girls, the odds are he WILL have a problem with one of them.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Posted this on another thread, it's applicable here,

    The whole #metoo getting accused of rape danger is a bit blown out of proportion IMO.

    Sex has become such a liberal act, you really don't need to be worrying if you're gonna get accused of rape every time you fuck a stranger. The crazies are a severe minority. Unfortunately the cases that do happen,get a lot of coverage which skews public perception.

    Think how much casual sex happens(thousands of people every night) and how many of those end up in a rape cases.

    I would say you're looking at 0.1%. I can say over the last few years, having witnessed hundreds of instances of casual sex(not peeping tom, but i knew what happened) and being involved in quite a fair share myself, it hasn't featured once.

    If you're both somewhat coherent and talk a bit beforehand, you don't really have anything to worry about.

    If she's hammered and you pump and dump her, that's where her self preservation instincts kick in and want's to look for a scapegoat to blame.

    [–]primo_pastafarian 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Two men are in the wilderness in Africa, in different locations. It is night time, both are around their own campfires. And they both hear a noise in the darkness.

    Man A dives into his tent, for fear of his safety.

    Man B says it's probably nothing, and continues to relax by the fire.

    It turns out, the noise in the darkness was nothing. Man A might appear to be silly, for diving into the safety of his hut unnecessarily.

    This happens every night for the next 100 nights, with Man A always diving into his tent and appearing silly, and Man B always ignoring the noise and looking cool.

    On the hundredth night, Man B gets eaten by a lion.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The point is more don't re engineer your life for the minuscule possibility of getting metoo'd. Essentially take rational precaution, but don't stop sitting around the fire.

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    [–]RobotAntidote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    All I'm saying is that you're all focusing too much on the sign and not the man holding it.

    [–]textualintercourse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I always point blank ask: "You do want to have sex?"

    80% a solid and enthusiastic, "yes."

    20%: If she hedged, plan B, C, or D are just a text away. Walking away is a power play. You'll get them at some future point.

    edit: And having the messages/text log is golden backup as OP stated.

    [–]OverEasyFetus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I absolutely hate the truth of this. I am wasting my youth and prime because I can't stand the thought of women anymore. I can barely stand being around them at work, let alone spending off time with them.

    [–]Churningaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Gentlemen who know truth about the SMP and are operating within it: Save this post and internalize the message.

    Matter of fact, get it tattooed on your retina: trust no one. Be aware of your enemies (SJW's, bros who would throw you under the bus in a second, hoes), and safeguard yourself where ever possible.

    [–]tatakausohei 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Awesome post

    Reminds me of how people attach tethers with them when they go bouldering.

    The higher you climb, the harder you fall. Literally.

    Think of these precautions as tethers. The higher you climb in social status and smv, the greater the likelihood that these tethers will save your life.

    Remember: Retrospection is always 20/20

    [–]arythmetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    More and more feminist contents are invading the Asian market, mostly through brands' preemptively virtue signaling. Though being metooed seem like a distant future on this side of the world, I suspect this mind virus will become a real issue here really soon.

    [–]KewlThanks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm strongly considered we just ally with the Muslims and reform from within.

    We're trying to save a sinking ship imo. Yes enjoy the decline...or speed up the decline and jump onto a new ship that didn't blow a hole in the port side in 1920 by giving women the right to destroy the country.

    [–]markinsinz7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Cristiano Rinaldo just got fuckin accused like holy fuckkkkkkk

    [–]LayingWaste 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I got 7.5 years in prison for a fucking whore.

    I was so chad that it wasn't funny.

    Be warned guys, bitches words are taken as gold.

    I am still on parole for another year and have begun to rebuild my life after my car house and bank account were frozen.

    [–]johnpayne10[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Can you elaborate? What exactly happened?

    [–]LayingWaste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I ran an escort agency. My ex girlfriend said the right things to the police to use them as a tool to extort me and then sue me for 2.4 million dollars and send me to prison for 7 and a half years. Claiming i forced her to work and took all of her money (all disproven in court where a judge had declared that she had a "one sided narrative with rekless regard for the truth. And the courts OUGHT not help a liar."

    She then went to the police again to describe to them exactly how I imported firearms illegaly from USA to CANADA in a firearms trafficking ring.

    To make this clear - every woman including her that has worked with me was 100% consensual and made above what other agencies paid.

    She played the victim and she STILL plays the victim to this day as a public speaker.

    [–]immaculacy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Stay away from sluts (that's most girls/women). They all have daddy issues or some type of issue. Being a slut is not mental stability. She clearly doesn't give a shit about loving a man if she'd have sex with whoever before she meets him. Not saving it for your partner is ridiculous.