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You wont know when she cheats (2 years later) (self.TheRedPill)

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I was asked for a flashback of this old gem. If you came to TRP to have your hand held and balls rubbed with feel-good platitudes then you will hate it.

What is a feel good platitude?

We are all gonna make it bro! Just shout out macho talk like lift and lead, and it will magically happen!

TRP is a collection of experiences and observations that work. It's not a place to talk about things you aren't doing to get an emotional high.

So what should TRP be? Its the unfiltered god honest truthful AskJeeves for pussy......Try what you read. Or tailor to your needs. Or just observe when something you read here happens in your life and now you can see it.

Incidentally, the women I wrote about below are still around and their guys have no clue. They don't have any idea who they married. Like the dead people on The Sixth Sense "They only see what they want to see."

without further delay....

There are men who think women are wonderful, that their girl wouldn't stray, and if she did cheat then they would sense it.

These men are wrong. She won't act guilty. She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong.

I've been in cabs with married women (after fucking) who shush me while they call their husbands to check on kids. Heard stories from another woman about her elaborate plans for her husbands surprise birthday party while gleefully getting pounded by yours truly. These women don't hate their husbands like Hollywood tells us. They consider them "best friends".

What does this mean for us?

1 Do not get married

2 You can't expect fidelity from a woman, it's just your turn, act accordingly.

3 if this post makes you upset then you don't yet understand the true nature of women.


[–][deleted] 140 points141 points  (8 children)

Love that post.

Also love the top comment....

Proverbs 30:20 - "This is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats, and wipes her mouth, and says, I have done no wickedness"

Dudes had this shit figured out 2000 years ago

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Schopenhauer outlines why their minds work this way. Because it is the law of nature that the strong and healthy and handsome men (read:alphas) are the ones they crave. And that this is because of nature, it preserves the integrity of the species that women crave good genes. Of course we know this already. But the crucial point Schopenhauer makes is that the eternal biological law of hypergamy has a much greater claim on a woman's psyche than a cultural promise of marriage. Hence she feels almost entitled to get to fuck her alphas.

[–]Findsyourpicscool 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Damn Straight, the Jews knew what is up.

and btw, The Book of Proverbs is at least 3000 years old.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Proverbs 30:20

its literally talking about sucking dick actually

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 349 points350 points  (21 children)

It's kinda a big mindfuck at first, because women will try their utmost to convince you they're not like that, and you can absolutely expect fidelity from HER. Eyes sparkling and all, she really 100% believes it about herself. Of course the very next day she might wake up, feeeeeel different and it's all gone out of the window.

The fog lifts when you take the red pill and realize she's just saying what she needs to say in the moment to get what she wants: more commitment. Once she gets it & you're more invested, anything she said to get it is a moot point nobody remembers/cares about. Women are not accountable for any promise they make in the sexual arena. When she breaks it, there won't be the slightest reprimand facing her socially, in fact she will be told "you go gurl, he sounds abusive trying to hold you to your word like that, he deserved it".

[–]Jigsus 131 points132 points  (11 children)

Eyes sparkling and all, she really 100% believes it about herself. Of course the very next day she might wake up, feeeeeel different and it's all gone out of the window.

This is a key thing in understanding women. They're not lying. They 100% believe what they're telling you.

Noobs will be angry because they think they are being lied to. But the truth is you have to abandon such simple notions.

What you think someone is going to say "oh not I won't sleep with this guy because I declared my love to my bf last week"? They'll just act on their own feelings in that moment and then hamster an explanation.

[–]Phiend4Phoes 53 points54 points  (6 children)

Very much this.

Looking (way) back at a previous BP relationshit, when we discussed whether to be gf/bf or what, she said and I quote "There aren't anyone else I want to be with right now"
Some times you should actually listen to which words are being used.

[–]Jigsus 35 points36 points  (4 children)

In my experience it's a waste of time to listen to the words. It's true that they may tell you something if you look at them carefully but it's not worth the brain power. The only true indicator are their actions.

You can have the meanest bitchiest girl of all time that's verbally aggressive to everyone around her. If she cuddles up to you and follows you then you know what's the true status of your relationship with her. I'll take that over a manic pixie dream girl that will shit all over your life while telling you how much you're the love of her life.

[–]Phiend4Phoes 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I do agree that as a rule we should look at their actions first and foremost. But in hindsight, they keep dropping subtle hints at the truth. And I've caught myself doing stuff like that as well in some situations. Everybody enjoys feeling smarter than the other party, and amusing yourself at others unknowing expense is a very human thing to do. I'm not saying analyze everything they say, us males tend to over-analyze constantly, but be aware that they might do this as well.

An example of how I've done it recently: We have a new free seating policy at work and I've lost my office. A popular TV show had the same thing happen and the workers did not enjoy it at all. The main character resigned and I've decided to do the same. My boss and I were discussing our company's new policies and I asked him if he watched that show yesterday. He said no and asked what happened. Said I didn't want to spoil it. It doesn't really matter to me whether he figures it out or not, I'm handing in my resignation soon any way

[–]Jigsus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah I've had aha moments years after relationships have ended but I try not to waste my energy. There isn't much to gain from that exercise.

[–]VickVaseline 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What is a "free seating policy?" I've never heard of that.

[–]Phiend4Phoes 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Nobody gets designated office spaces, so every desk has to be cleaned every day. Everyone can sit anywhere in the now open landscape. I went from having a cozy office with a great view, stereo, lots of screens and stuff, to having to sit in the middle of 20 cackling wamen constantly going on about mundane shit. Oh, and Ive received many complaints about my expensive noise canceling headset being too loud when I try to block them out. I could go on, but theres no point, Im just gonna quit.

[–]kankouillotte 12 points13 points  (0 children)

and then hamster an explanation

often along the lines of "he doesn't fuck me well enough, i need more/different sex", just as simple as that

[–]FerrusMan 23 points24 points  (1 child)

They're not lying

Noobs are angry they are being lied to, because they ARE being lied to! Hence the justified anger that happens.

Whether a woman believes she is telling the truth or not, does not negate the fact that she is lying to her husband or boyfriend. What they believe, does not matter.

And you know what, a lot of women lie all the time, and know it. And they assume everyone else in life, men included, think the same way. I'm not trying to convince you of this, but I would invite you to think about this for a bit. Yes they will act on their own feelings, all the time actually, and for sure hamster an explanation. When a woman cheats on her husband, and lies about it to her husband afterwards, that's lying. And she damn well knows it.

You've got the feelings part down, where a woman will act on her feelings at the moment, and justify it afterward. But you have no idea just how devious women are capable of being.

[–]Jigsus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When she cheats and lies after it's lying.

When she tells you how much she loves you and wants to be with you forever it's not a lie because she believes that and it hasn't been proven wrong yet.

[–]Jummiho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So fucking true. Women will act on the moment and on how they feel. They can rationalize ANYTHING afterwards.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 37 points38 points  (0 children)

she's just saying what she needs to say in the moment to get what she wants: more commitment

Eventually you realise that EVERYTHING women are saying is designed to get a result, and truth is an inconvenience to be worked around.

Everything is designed to get her status, or reduce your options, or increase your opinion of her.

She doesn't want to be directly caught in a lie.... but other than that, the rest of what she says is complete fabrication. And she bases this on the knowledge YOU have. If you didn't see her cheat, she isn't a cheater and never would. If another girl cheats "not all women are like that!".

If you corner her in a lie or in cheating, she'll just break down and cry and explain why she's a victim of the world and it's not her fault.

Women are not accountable for any promise they make in the sexual arena.

Or any other arena.

Female promises should be ignored because they are worthless. What's the consequences of breaking that promise? Absolutely nothing. Cheating? Not taking the pill? Lying? Zero consequences to her.

The trick is to live your life accordingly.

Women lie? Don't ask them anything and don't base your life on her words.

Women cheat? Don't expect anything else.

Women betray their husbands and cheat and divorcerape men? Don't get married.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

All true and its more reason to just accept it and enjoy women for the danger and play they do provide

[–]lopsidedlucky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good to put this out there. New betas on here will argue that you're wrong and good women aren't like that. Little do they know all women are like that.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro, the last thing before this girl ran off with 1k worth of my clothes was, "I'm not going to steal them from you."

[–]quicklogaccount 120 points121 points  (96 children)

What I've seen is PRECISELY the opposite.
Maybe you've been with women that have been doing it for a while. I don't know.

The cheaters I met, including an ex, always told somehow, through very cliche give aways. Asked about the whereabouts, random "are you upset/mad with me?", trickle truth or "my friend..." to test the waters.
Not to account for the fact people suck at lying. The natural strategy is to add details to make it more trustworthy while in practice it makes it less likely.

I'm pretty sure women will eventually get the knack of it, or their red flag behavior will eventually be identified as their natural behavior ("naturally flirty" is a line I love and just heard. Nope, you're not naturally flirty, you're EASY AS FUCK and as you're trying to get a better guy to drive you to cheat) by their partners. But for a good while, she'll let you know somehow.

[–]1jb_trp 93 points94 points  (18 children)

No matter how good your LTR is going, always listen to your gut, always be able to walk away, and the moment you question your trust in them to the point where you feel like you need to check their phone, or check whatever... Well, that's the point you should have already dumped them five minutes ago.

[–]destraht 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I want to add that if you miss that moment then there are many other countless moments before months and years go by. The real tragedy are these huge chunks of wasted life, being brought into court, payments, loss of dignity and confidence. Looking back I've held onto girls extra days or weeks longer than was appropriate and that made me feel bad and I know that I knew sooner that it was not great, but the time lost was minor and I see all of these sad fucks who had it so much worse. My timing and decisions have been suboptimal yet I'm still way ahead of the curve.

[–]untonyto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. It's hard in the short term to keep it simple (to cut losses and run as early as possible) but in the long run keeping it simple like this cuts out a lot of extra headache later on. The hard part initially is that the red flags show up in the early honeymoon stages when things are still exciting, you are not yet heavily invested, and she's sweetening the deal to coax commitment out of you. Walking out on all of that at that stage is hard. They probably know as well and enjoy the danger of dropping red flags as a test.

[–]beginner_ 11 points12 points  (3 children)

No matter how good your LTR is going, always listen to your gut

I disagree with the gut thing for the inexperienced and insecure types eg all noobs. There would be just too much insecurity affecting your gut feeling.

[–]buddhadarko 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It all comes down to experience, and self-awareness. You can be aware of your gut reaction/feeling, but temper your actions with RP principles so you don’t lose your shit out here. New RP guys don’t have the experience so they are more likely to go off the deep end when a woman shit tests them or they get a feeling that she’s straying. More experienced RP’ers know better than to start busting out flowers and candy and extra attention because they feel that somethings going on. The moment you react like her, she senses those feminine characteristics in you and then used that to justify her spreading her legs for the guy she’s “just friends” with on Facebook.

No woman is 100% down for her man, no matter how RP/alpha/high status he is. She is there to fulfill her needs and satisfy her hamster cravings so she can focus on things like her appearance and social media profiles/activities for further validation that she’s worth the time of day. Any displays of or words of loyalty are purely ephemeral and they serve her, not you.

[–]antariusz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m 100% spot on so far with cheaters. 4/4 times it’s happened I ended things, and then found out about the cheating after.

My gut notices when she begins her branch swinging, I notice the loss of affection, the loss of feminine neediness, the loss of love. It’s always after she gets some random dick on the side.

I wish I had a gut feeling that could tell me before it happened though.

[–]BokehClasses 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not like you'll marry the bitch so breaking up early isn't a big deal. Plenty of fish in the sea.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (9 children)

I'm mostly with you. Nothing wrong with checking up on the women in your life to protect your finances and children. It's not a mateguarding thing to do this and not checking is the big fat bluepill

I have fire insurance and I'm not phobicpsychoafraid of fires.

know what I mean?

[–]Elfclan30 26 points27 points  (12 children)

lol, a friend of mine had a girl when he would do something to bother her, aka healthy banter; she would say "I am going to cheat on you!" jokingly ofc, but guess what...

[–]1empatheticapathetic 18 points19 points  (8 children)

If a girl ever made such a blatant 'joke' she has no respect for you. You can figure out the rest.

[–]donkey_democrat 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Yeah, that's the implication behind the "banter" that makes it scary. She might think he will laugh because he will view it as just banter, but in reality she is venting about him and attacking his low value. I would consider it a subtle hint that the relationship is in trouble.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (6 children)

It's a test to see if you're smart enough to 'protect' her. If you fail, what have you lost? You've gained experience.

[–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (5 children)

And how exactly do you do this protecting?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Methods for controlling hypergamy:

  1. Let a woman's partner Paddle her ass when she mouths off or gets out of line and kill her if she cheats.

  2. Have the elders stone her at the city gate if she becomes a wayward wife.

  3. Refuse to commit to any one women. Don't care about her hypergamy and don't give any woman committment.

Pick one.

[–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Say you picked 3, does that mean you grow old and lonely as your SMV starts to drop over time? That's my gripe with TRP concept, the implicated loneliness over time. No family. Or do you still settle down when you're in your 50s/60s?

[–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3 doesn't control it though it's just a method of coping with an unescapable unpleasant reality.

But i get your point.

You can also view hypergamy as something positive. Because it means that if a woman wants to fuck you/screams your name when she cums that she see's you as high value and that is a high in itself. That's what we do it for right.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are smart enough to read between the lines of her banter. It's a shit test.

[–]quicklogaccount 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol, a friend of mine had a girl when he would do something to bother her, aka healthy banter; she would say "I am going to cheat on you!" jokingly ofc, but guess what...

(I knew one of these too.)
But she would actually break up with him, fuck whoever she wanted to, then beg him to get back. She wouldn't tell him about the guy(s) because they "weren't dating an he doesn't have the right to know". Even if they broke for a couple days.
This chick's roommate was the girlfriend that cheated on me. She literally told me after some time but before that, she gave all the hints. BP me never knew.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 21 points22 points  (3 children)

As much as it is relatively easy for women to be unfaithful, it is possible to note signs/clues of infidelity: random or noticeable changes is behavior, speech, "tone," or demeanor, gaps in time, decreased or newly introduced sexual activity, etc.

For men who openly disregard the possibility of infidelity in their women, it’s mainly due to the belief that my cupcake wouldn’t do that to me/Blue Pill Conditioning with the mindset being: "…after ALL the things I do and provide for her…"

One of the biggest insults to a woman’s infidelity is that a husband is required to provide financial support, emotional support, serve as a father to children produced in the relationship, and perform many more tasks expected of a husband.

The other man has NO SUCH REPSPONSIBILITY or requirements. He is the guy who is pile-driving another man’s wife. This is one of the principal reasons an unfaithful woman is judged harshly by others, but more importantly by her husband. The other guy - the "Fling" or "Affair Guy" does not want nor has any requirement to do husband work, but is always available for uncommitted and casual sex.

Even more surprising is there are women who have zero problems rationalizing their behavior, with many "blaming" the husband.

It’s one of the reasons when men have affairs that women are upset at the betrayal, but also the likelihood that numerous benefits provided by the husband are also waking out the door and possibly transferring to another woman. It is a rare situation when a women earns more than an employed/unemployed husband and provides principal financial support to the household.

I don’t condone extramarital/external relations by either sex, but simply noting the stark contrast in differences, circumstances, and possible outcomes.

If women want the Other Man so badly they are willing to risk a solid marriage, they need to get "Mr. Wonderful" to do "husband work." But then again, "Chad" doesn't do husband work.

[–]untonyto 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Literally got sick to the stomach reading this

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Good. That's why it was written and getting sick, not angry is a good sign for you

[–]quicklogaccount 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As of recently I actually believe men have the upper hand (slightly) in the hook up game, thanks to feminism. Women fuck shamelessly and it benefits us more than them.

But man, that DOES turn around when you commit. I get your point.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (43 children)

Are we in same age bracket? Im 40something and soccer moms and yoga milfs are my wheelhouse

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 68 points69 points  (41 children)

This.

The young cheating girl might still feel a pang of guilt, might be just bad at lying, or might actually want to let you know to cause drama.

The 30+ married woman will cheat without batting an eye, with zero changes in behavior, zero guilt (what guilt lol). She will go home and strategically give her husband some pacifying sex a few hours after she gave it to you, to preempt suspicion.

[–][deleted] 76 points77 points  (36 children)

Years ago, I recall the moment I fully took the pill. I had been lurking and reading and definitley saw the probable truth of what was said here but surely not all of it was true was it??????

Well, I had hacked my wife's email the week before. I never would have done that before as a beta herb trusting good husband

I asked her an question that already knew and that didn't have much consequence and she lied.

She didn't break eye contact. Didn't swallow hard or look away. Flawless lie that she probably believed when saying it

AWALT

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (26 children)

The VAST majority of my subs and plates are married women that aren't getting what they need at home. Like, 80-90%

The absolute coldhearted blatant rationalizations and lies that allow them to come and get dominated and have fun kinky sex show just how little they care for some smurfy idiot that puts beer and sports on tv over properly fucking their wife.

It's a combo of doing what they have to to get what they need, and an undercurrent of hatred toward beta Billy Beergut, with a slight helping of "fuck I love sneaking around" on the side.

I don't blame them. They're women.

If you aren't being everything to your woman, just what the hell do you think she'll do when she realizes shes not getting what she needs?

Your fault.

A FR... I was fucking a plate (not a sub - subs LOVE anal domination) doggystyle in the ass ("I never let my husband take my ass!"). Her phone rang. I commanded her to answer it and not stop pushing back against my cock. She proceeded to have an award worthy conversation with BB about how she was having drinks with her gf and wouldn't be home for an hour, all the while sinking my dick deep over and over. She put the phone down, I told her to come in the next 5 seconds, started counting down. Got to 3, squirt extravaganza. She deserves an Oscar. Hope Billy Beergut likes my sperm dripping out of her ass as she sits on his fat face.

You don't fuck your wife right, I will.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 10 points11 points  (19 children)

Who do I need to kill to upvote this 1000 more times?

Sex matters. Proper fucking goes a long way in keeping her around.

Got any recommendations on resources to learn how to Dom from for the noobs?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (15 children)

Big ask, buddy.

Takes years to become a competent Dom.

First, you have to cultivate the personality. Subs can smell fake Doms from a mile away. So you have to truly be an alpha, truly believe you're the prize, believe that you are the most special and unique motherfucker on the planet. Sounds douchey, but there it is.

That's where most Fake doms stop. Irrational self confidence without anything to back it up. LARPers. Fortunately easy to spot.

You have to realize your sub is trusting you. Absolutely. That's an important intimate bond. You are now in complete charge of both the experience and her safety.

So... it's NOT ABOUT YOU. Your enjoyment comes through her. Sure, you can fuck her drained sweaty body after, or even during, but it's not about you. Focusing on yourself is a recipe for disaster because you're not focusing on the scene.

You. You have all the chips. You have all the responsibility. That's a heavy load. The reason subs are subs is they love that feeling of NOT being in control... they enter a reality known as "subspace" where altered power dynamics and altered signal processing create a "zone." Look up safewords and the stoplight system for some commonsense guidelines.

Again, it's your job to read this event, create the subspace conditions, and maintain that headspace without falling over the edge and yanking them out prematurely, all the while keeping safety as your ultimate goal.

It's mentally tough to be able to create and maintain these conditions, all the while looking toward the next step and considering aftercare. Physically tough because the technical aspects of bondage and flogging open their very own rabbit holes of technical skill - you have to be able to roll up to the edge without going over.. and where that edge is is a constantly moving target, even the same sub has different limits day to day. Also must consider the time constraints... a technically flawless shibari chest harness with an integrated two column behind the back arm tie looks and feels amazing, but it takes 1/2 hr to do right. She'll fall out of subspace unless you can distract her during.

A BIG part of it is psychological. You have to get into their head, use what you know, push buttons and drive the experience. Blindfolds and gags are particularly effective because they "take away" their illusion of control even more. I was a psyche major and have a dark triad personality so I love this aspect of fucking with their minds.

I mentioned aftercare. When a scene is done... the sub falls out of her precious subspace and needs to live in the real world again. This is an emotionally and physically draining event, shame and exhaustion and doubt and just raw emotions can come pouring out. Aftercare attempts to minimize these negative emotions by ensuring your sub is being cared for and will continue to be cared for. I don't care that I just pissed in your mouth while calling you a dirty cunt while flogging your ass, aftercare will have you take her in your arms and condition her to the fact her Dom does care for her.

I love it. It's a massive amount of work, from developing intricate collaring rituals and rules to running the entire show, but I love being in control, reading the situation, bringing someone up to that edge and being the asshole that gets to say whether she can come or not....

It makes me happy. It makes women happy. All good, but a lot of work. Like everything worthwhile, there is a cost.

Speaking of costs, I have about $2000 into toys, buttplugs, fucking machines, medical kit, whips, floggers, suction apparatus, ropes, suspension gear... the toys (tools of the trade) matter.

As far as resources, reddit has 3 BDSM subs that are useful, And there are a million blogs out there.

You do kind of have to find your own way, though... like all things.

The trust after is amazing.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Depending on how hard you go - the psychological aftercare is the most important. Learning to trust her ability to use safe words is also key. Actually was and is my biggest struggle. Girls need to know that you will shield them from the monster that lurks With the monster that lurks.

Little tasks that are not directly sexual are also key. "Go close the door" - "bring my tools "

"This is your last choice for the next while "

Building and maintaining sub space takes a lot of work. And - you have to teach them that sometimes you're not up to it and that's ok- because next time it will be Even better than before

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

The little day to day conditioning re. the power dynamic are key.

This. Operant conditioning. Your "bell" should have her salivating.

And being able to say,"no"... is sometimes the most dominant move of all.

One of my go-to's when I'm not feeling all Dommy and energetic is to have her kneel and blow me while I chill on the couch. Her focus is required on my dick, I get to lie back and enjoy.

Still subby, but my involvement can be minimal. During blowjobs, my rule is if she lets it come out of her mouth, she gets slapped in the face, then must continue. Again, easy for me, keeps the dynamic.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

ever try the nose pinch while she is down there? works wonders.

[–]Slevenn711 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Love this post. This concept was discussed briefly in Rocco (documentary on Netflix about Rocco Siffredi). It may look like he has all the power, but really the sub (her) is the one getting the most out of it. I'd recommend everyone watch it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have it. Nice rec.

Since I'm thinking about it, there are a few beginner recs I'll throw out there.

Kink.com is a massive site, but there are subreddits within.

'Kink University" is a very beginner focused sub that discusses a lot of newbie issues and scenes.

"Sex and submission" has a lot of great scene ideas.

Elise Graves is my favorite model. Not really a hottie, but you can actually see her transition in and out of subspace, and the difference in her pain/pleasure signal processing when she does. Watching this model will teach you a lot about the sub headspace. Study all this girl's movies.

There's a James Franco docu out there called Kink that's worth a watch.

PD, a former psych prof turned Dom for "insex.com" is a master. Huge amount of ideas and predicaments. He's a mindfuck master. My wife/primary sub says he simultaneously fascinates and scares the shit out of her. I bought a welder because of PD.

Thankfully, there's a documentary out there about him called Graphic Sexual Horror. Fascinating. Forewarning - it's heavy.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not sure how it was missed for so long, but flairing member

[–]j_arbuckle2012 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That was an awesome post man! Thanks!

The more I turn it over in my mind, I am beginning to believe that Dominance and kink are two separate things.

You talk about character and responsibility. In my own life, with my own subs, I would say the thing that most mattered to them was never the scene itself. It was me assuming responsibility for the experience combined with the fact that the most powerful female aphrodisiac is raw, uninhibited, ruthlessly expressive male sexuality. It is my firm belief that this male sexual expression at its core is nothing more than capital 'D' Dominance. The kink? The whips, chains, ropes, gags, etc.? Accoutrements. Garnish, really.

I want your thoughts on this. Am I on the right track or am I off the mark? Are my subs actually subs or have I just been having flavorful, but vanilla sex?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You get it.

Goes back to the old Oscar Wilde quote,"Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.”

The experience is the power dynamic. Which is fucking twisted because if you really think about it, the sub has the ultimate power by using her safeword to shut it all down. (They're women... don't think too hard about this, their world is illusion and emotion.)

All the scene setup, the toys, the psychological torture, the pain... all window dressing.

Dominance is the desire they require.

[–]BrownGummyBear 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Watching "how to eat pussy like a champ" from Jon Jeremy took my oral sex game to a whole new level. Highly recommend it to anyone trying to improve.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That one vid with Nina Hartley is still the best in that regard, IMO.

[–]BrownGummyBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The movie is great because you'll learn different techniques. I've found some girls like some techniques more than others. 100% success rate of making them orgasm with my mouth so far

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We see the same things out there because thats reality

[–]brinkleybuzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The power of the rationalization hamster. She probably convinced herself that the lie was the truth.

[–]--Edog-- 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Same here - i had a gps program on her phonte that i could track and record her movements. Asked her where she went on a certain day - she lied without batting and eye.

[–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did you ever find out if she was cheating on you? Did you ever bring up the fact that she lied?

[–]--Edog-- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tracked her to a law school run by friends of ours. I am sure she wasn't meeting for lunch. More likely advice about divorce.

[–]Thomaskingo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well, I had hacked my wife's email the week before. I never would have done that before as a beta herb trusting good husband

Do you have a post with the full story?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

someplace im sure...ill look

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is their true nature. It's almost frightening.

[–]AlphaGrad 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The 30+ married woman will cheat without batting an eye, with zero changes in behavior, zero guilt (what guilt lol). She will go home and strategically give her husband some pacifying sex a few hours after she gave it to you, to preempt suspicion.

That's so true...three years ago I would have scoffed this off. But after TRP and multiple women, marriage is mostly a joke. I mostly go for married women (24+ years old) instead of 16-22 year old girls. Chastity and fidelity is encouraged and socially reinforced here, in India. But I believe that ALL women are D.T.F. as long as you can keep a secret and you catch them at the right time of their monthly cycle. Also, cucking other man by bedding their wives/gfs is enlightening.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my go to attitude with these types of ladies is fun, easygoing and non judgemental. They dont fear emotional punishment from me no matter what because I treat them like sexdolls and they can't disappoint me because I have no need for them other than fun

[–]oak_water 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My wife cheated, then on her way home asked if I wanted her to pick up any late night snacks for a movie night. She's 30.

[–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s because the 30 year old has had bad experiences in the past at having been caught out, and wants to avoid that unpleasantness again.

The girl in her 20s doesn’t regret her actions, she regrets getting caught.

[–]quicklogaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. I'm 30. Damn.

I wonder if these husbands had a shot of knowing them their wives first started cheating.

[–]lopsidedlucky 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Women are natural liars bro. They start lying and manipulating daddy when they learn to speak. It's awalt.

You might know some dumb bitches that suck at it or you might be extremely astute to their way of lying. Learning how women operate and lie doesn't mean they suck at lying to the average beta.

[–]quicklogaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might know some dumb bitches that suck at it or you might be extremely astute to their way of lying.

I never said women, I said people:
We suck at lying. We suck bad. Unless we're taught.
And women aren't taught, they're naturals. They'll load the narrative with details and emotions and count on the hearer's lenience with loopholes and on the fact the characters in that story are hardly the ones he knows.

Learning how women operate and lie doesn't mean they suck at lying to the average beta.

This is true. Not just average beta though. They do what is natural and you believe it because it is natural. You need to be taught to be a bit cold blooded and rational on those circumstances.

[–]untonyto 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Those who say "you can never tell if she is cheating" advance The Feminine Mystique, the blue pill trope that women are unknowable, mysterious unicorns. "We should just give up on understanding women and should Ban AWALT because we just can't tell something as basic as infidelity."

[–]quicklogaccount 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never looked at it through this angle, but there's some truth there.

On ASKtrp I tell guys not to be cheat-o-phobic and not to commit while they are. Keep your ability to leave, don't make yourself willingly deaf and blind, and you'll do the right thing if it happens.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Once you've seen it a few times, you can spot it. I've always known exactly when the bitch was thinking about sucking a cock not attached to me. I've never been wrong about it either, but I have been an expert at reading nonverbal communication for over 40 years. I only had to learn girls and what it meant. That was handled when I was 16 way back in 1985.

Your average dude is fucking oblivious. I can spot a lie relatively easily, on almost anyone even if they practice it, but these guys will think the bitch is being good when she is riding me and sending him texts with pics of her while I'm inside her. Like stacysmom said though, they get better at lying with age. Once you know her tells though, she can't hide shit from you. Most guys never learn them.

I almost always give them the benefit of a doubt and wait and see. Like I said, never been wrong in a truck load of bitches. Very few people get to this level of awareness, it requires shit nobody should have to endure.

[–]nzdrummer 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Are you able to give some of us 'average dudes' some schooling here? I've noticed a few comments where you mention these skills that you have developed under some duress, and I for one would welcome some knowledge in this area.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not op, but I identify with what he's describing. Besides the sidebar, which is mandatory read, get into studying body language and non-verbal communication, human behaviour, applied pshychology, manipulation tactics etc. It's a long process, but things become instantly clear after you internalize some of these skills. If things are fuzzy, or I only get a hint that something is off, I like to put myself it the other person's shoes, see from their perspective and ask myself 'why' several times. Later edit: and of course, lots of practice and testing

[–]untonyto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mindfulness helps. A cheating woman can't help it when her contempt for him shows itself. She thinks she's smart keeping a big secret from you, she must think you're dumb (dumber than her at least) for not even suspecting it. Something she does or says will betray this mindset.

[–]lopsidedlucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the sidebar, the top 100 posts and experience. Also listen to the black phillip show on youtube.

By experience I mean tons of dates and bangs. It just starts coming all together like sports.

[–]quicklogaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your average dude is fucking oblivious.

Yep. I was this dude. And yep, oblivious.

[–]DJCheeky 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This. This so much. I had my ex cheat on me and when I dug back into our text history there were parts when she put herself down for being a slut, knowing I would comfort her (she had just cheated on that very day), or when she brought up a friend that she used to have a crush on and said it was nice to have attention lavished on her, although of course she still preferred me (another dude she cheated on me with).

They get guilty and try to trickle truth themselves into thinking it's not that bad.

[–]cashmoney_x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They get guilty

Nope. It's all about their ego.

[–]quicklogaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sort of stuff. The ex that cheated on me tried to get me to dump her the day after she did.

My "the" ex never cheated but she tried to get me to dump her a million times. Funny thing BP me always felt like I was a creeper for feeling bad in the relationship and said I wanted to break up to date other women and experience life. She always heard it as "you are not good enough" and fought to keep me afterwards, despite all the nagging and whining. Go figure.

[–]party_next_door 44 points45 points  (6 children)

It's the hypergamy mindset of "I can do better" or that's how I perceive it, it goes both ways but I feel like it's more prevalent with females as they seek a better 'provider'.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Sometimes sure. I personally have sucess with women whose husbands out earn me by a country mile. I do ok and have no complaints but these women want to be manhandled a few times a month or year and keep the gravy train (that I don't have and sure as fuck ain't sharing if I did) on the tracks.

What I'm getting at, is that alphafux is a real need for women and they will find it when they need it

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    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    I'm not saying my career. But you are right.

    I'm just another guy like any other asshole.

    It's learned psychosocial dominance and brutal diet and fitness that fool the world into thinking I'm royal.

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      [–]GOODLORD100 16 points17 points  (9 children)

      I found out my gf, who was also my fiancé, cheated on me starting one month into our 2 year relationship. With 6 guys. I’ve talked about it here before but this seems like the perfect place to mention it again to remind people.

      SIX guys. 5/6 were ugly as hell and/or losers. She made a sex tape, while blackout drunk (she claims), with a pretty obese guy with no job. She said he was nice to him when she was blacked out, even though they weren’t friends.

      The day after I met her parents, she went out with friends. And met a guy and fucked him multiple times, on multiple days. She sent nudes to him through Snapchat.

      Yes, I broke up with her but it was a terrible thing to go through

      [–]askmrcia 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      There had to be signs. Where you meet her at? A club?

      [–]GOODLORD100 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Work, but we continued the relationship even after work.

      There were some warning signs and I was kind of suspicious but I was with her a lot and couldn’t randomly accuse her.

      One of the guys she was with who was way older somehow got my number and texted me to say sorry and that he’s not the type of guy Brown he sent me screenshots of all their texts, with a few about the sex they had.

      Confronted her and she couldn’t lie. Her best friend told me there’s a lot more and she confessed to 5 more plus this guy. I’m sure there were more though. She said she made out with a few random guys almost every time she went out.

      Never trust an Eastern European is the lesson I learned. Or any girl for that matter. But there’s an Eastern European lady at my old job, married, and she has slept with over 15 guys in our office over 2 year period. I used to feel bad for him

      [–]RedPillHanSolo 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Never trust an Eastern European is the lesson I learned. Or any girl for that matter

      Funny how dudes (American ones I assume) think that EE broads are different in that any regard. AWALT. Tattoo it on your chest.

      [–]GOODLORD100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I’m Canadian. They are different. All women are similar though and I’ve definitely heard worse stories from American women, but EE women seem to have the looks, dominance, and high IQ to better manipulate a man. That’s what I’ve seen at least. I know you know what I’m talking about

      [–]Xoramung 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      sux. hope you are better off for it, she sounds horribad.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      It's a rare hoe that will cheat down, she must of thought she had you in the bag and could never lose you. It's about the power and game theory. If she thinks she'll never lose you, then what's to risk? Usually it's more like "I'll risk an upswing to a higher branch".

      But sometimes it's like "I know I can have this branch whenever I want. Let's go have some fun all over the tree and I can come back later". (In general this is the CC mentality btw for girls wanting fun in their youth and marriage later).

      [–]RedPillHanSolo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      cheat down

      To some hoes a strange cock is a strange cock. There is literally nothing more going for a fat obese loser prick except for being unfamiliar to this hoe (unlike OP).

      [–]GOODLORD100 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yea I agree. She said she was really drunk each time and regretted it and felt embarrassed (except for that one chad). She also said she just wanted to get fcked and didn’t care who it was

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The hoe wasnt cheating which is why she could lie so easily. She was just on the cc.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children)

      My ex wife used to hamster that because I'd look at porn, she was justified to fuck other men. Yes that makes me a cuck. AWALT.

      Worst of all she'd say "I'm going to cheat on you" when angry. I thought she was just angry ...

      Lessons learned:

      • Women will find any excuse to fuck other men
      • Two sides of the same coin: Never tolerate disrespect / if she disrespects you then she's already primed to cheat (or is).
      • In the near future she'll be fucking the best she can get. Best be you, get to work (on yourself).
      • The vast majority of men out there will not "respect" your LTR or marriage. Compete or lose. I don't care if they're your sibling, best friend, employer, her long time friend from before the relationship, if they're religious etc. Any and all of them are looking for their turn. It's your turn now, it will be someone else's real soon. Invest/plan accordingly.
      • when you invest in yourself, you get something you have a chance of keeping. When you invest in a woman you will lose.

      [–]thefisherman1961 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      My ex wife used to hamster that because I'd look at porn, she was justified to fuck other men.

      Sounds like she cheated on you and then tried to use you looking at porn as a way for her hamster to justify her actions.

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        [–]FruitSalad1010 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        The only thing more likely to get her to use it as a revenge tactic is you saying don't use it as a revenge tactic. You're basically feeding her ideas for shit tests. The only lines worth drawing are real ones that you will enforce and often they don't even need to be voiced out loud, people can sense a point of no return. Honestly the whole idea is mute, it comes across as rationalisation if she's fucking someone else why would you even care move on. Women aren't men your history indicates value and attests to the fact you will have options beyond her. She won't feel short changed until she feels like she has to take charge because of your inability to lead nor will she be out to get you unless you're failing.

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 22 points23 points  (1 child)

        She won't act guilty. She won't feel bad. In her mind, she did nothing wrong.

        So true, not one fuck will be given that day, other than the hot fuq she is giving Mister Tingles, but that darn hamster will betray them too. Let's review of extremely obvious shit I have either personally witnessed to heard about in the last couple decades.

        • A dead bedroom that suddenly turned into a scene out of Caligula for no apparently reason other than the "she really does want your D" fairy descended from Heaven put a spell on her. Yeah, no, she wanted another D but wanted to practice being a slut first, so she wouldn't disappoint him.

        • The magical eruption of used pregnancy tests and their packaging, often carelessly tossed on top of the trash bin, despite not participating in sex with this woman in months. (I've heard of this one so many times from so many men it makes my gut turn, but here was my favorite instance.). When asked about it, she says, "her period has been irregular lately and taking the test tricks it back on schedule." That or she's a whore that is worried the foreign semen injections might have consequences.

        • The box of condoms that falls out of her purse. "Uh, we don't use condoms." "Oh, well, just in case we do."

        • She goes from homebody with hobbies and comfort behaviors to spending long nights out with friends you have never met. Legal Cohabiting Female went so far as to find a sex-hookup group and claimed it was just a coffee club where they talked about literature; no, you stupid twat, I know the groups founder personally. We spit-roasted one of the group members together a year before. LCF was probably a little confused why she never had any luck in the group, which was hilarious because she wasn't just trying to cheat on me, but the guy she was fucking on the side already.

        • Obsessive explaining of detail that seem completely irrelevant. I have a lot of examples of this, but here is my absolute favorite, since I think it illustrates my final point the best. I watched this cuckold (literally) drama from the outside, courtesy of LCF, who was also amazed at how far this went. She had a friend, some pasty white mick, that was married to a manlet filipino BB, though he wasn't particularly good at the wallet providing duties. She was fucking a giant black guy on the side for years. Sure as shit, she gets pregnant and there is no mistaking the father with kid. Despite half the universe knowing she's a cheating whore, including neighbors, family and friends, she just can't tell her husband. So instead she goes on a gas lighting campaign that would make 1900s London look pitch-black. So far it has worked, but I doubt there is another man out there that has put up with as much "daddy this, daddy that, daddies little boy, daddy daddy daddy!" shit as he has.

        • She announces vacations to places she has never mentioned before and she wants to go alone. "Atlanta? You fucking hate the south, why the hell do you want to go there?" Answer: penis.

        • She makes a medical appointments without any apparent medical reason and any explanation. I've seen this one pretty far and wide as well, but when women go on whoring rampages, they need often need some medical backup. I can list off dozens of women (including LCF) that I was fucking and/or were fucking around behind someone's back that went to obgyn not just for various birth control, but for things like antibiotics to deal with recurring UTIs caused by frequent sex and, of course, a fan favorite--valtrex. This is so they can keep their sores in check while they plan to suckle on cocks for hours on end. I had one mistress that would pop a Macrobid down the gullet after sex every single time, because if she didn't she would get a UTI from me (we were pretty dirty little piggies). Imagine my surprise and the joy in my heart when I found bottle of it in LCF's drug cabinet.

        • She suddenly hides her dealings on her phone. Now, some women do this all the time anyway, so don't over read it. It's change that sends the signal.

        So, really, what's the problem here? Are women super secret penis spies that live undiscovered in a shadowy fuck-whore world that is completely hidden from us? Or are men just fucking retarded?

        Men are just fucking retarded. If she is cheating on you, she's already been caught; it's willful ignorance that keeps the relationship afloat. The vaginal machines and their powers of oneitus conspire with the Male Ennui Hamster that wants nothing more than to not lift a finger to keep a female in his pen. They blind men to slutty behavior even when she's screaming Please Break Up With Me while walking funny from the three-holing she took from some other guy a couple hours ago.

        [–]Westernhagen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        90% of "being retarded" is not wanting to be smart. Knowing the truth hurts, and requires even more painful corrective action, plus the thing Nice Guys hate most of all, i.e., confrontation with a female. Much much easier to stay asleep and pretend nothing is wrong.

        [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (14 children)

        Perhaps I've read too much here, but your post is comforting to me.

        I wish the MGTOW term could be separated into those who are incels and those who are not. I would be in that second category. I have no desire to have a cohabitating female. I take care of my own shit. I have no desire to negotiate on where to go on vacation, what to do with my time, the works. Come over, have some dinner, bang, even sleep over, I like a female in my bed.....but get the fuck out tomorrow morning, I have work to do.

        The idea that there are females available who will not betray me is good to know. I don't fucking ask questions, I don't want to know and I don't care. I just don't want a confrontation with an angry boyfriend/husband.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        We could call it the VY method, because that is exactly what I do. No you can't stay, no I wont pay your student loans, no we will are not getting married, I like you but I don't want to keep you around.

        I see even a glimmer of a bitch wanting me to be her ATM and she never even gets in the door. Nope, go find another guy to leech from.

        [–]destraht 7 points8 points  (9 children)

        It seems like MGTOW without the permanence is more like monk mode. I'm currently in monk mode since I don't find it worth my time to be looking for women in my short months in Northern California. I can guarantee you though that I'm looking for the exit and planning and expecting high quality women when I get to Eastern Europe. You know, there was a huge fucking fire here and life is odd now, jury duty coming up that I need to get out of the way, etc. I'm just doing my time monk mode and dealing with life. Its just a season. However, swearing off my dick forever just seems really fucked up. I don't see how a man could do that and not be a complete emotional disaster. Its not super fun to not be playing with ladies. Any guy who isn't real with that or looking for a way to get some, some day in the future, is a lost cause. Maybe a MGTOW guy has some muscles but its not someone whom I want to know.

        [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Eastern Europe? You lucky dawg! I'm going to ski in the Tatra Mountains someday to experience the cuisine, the culture, and the women. Cheers!

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        However, swearing off my dick forever just seems really fucked up.

        Absolutely, which is why I hate the term MGTOW, it's tied to incel IMO. I'm coming out of monk mode myself......carefully. If you consider cutting your age in half and hopping on Tinder careful. That said, I haven't exactly been gorging on nachos.

        [–]destraht 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        If a pretty girl were to land in my lap right now then I'd be on top of the situation. Sometimes we need to heal but other times its just not a good use of energy for the environment. Best example is that you are up in Alaska and making your money for a season. You were just getting laid pretty good down South and you just need to work your ass off for three months and then later the world is yours. So then you notice these snaggletooth 4.5 women whom are starting to look doable but then you quickly figure out that they believe that they are 11s and half of the town is trying to get in their pants. Then you put your gaze on some half decent 6.5 prostitutes and they are charging $500 for 50 minutes. Well if you have sense you just realize that what is in your best interest is just not getting laid at that moment. Doesn't mean you don't want it. I'll be diving head first into the ladies once I get there.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        what is in your best interest is just not getting laid at that moment

        A solid definition of monk mode. There are actually many women around here.....I just needed to step back for a while to avoid transferring bad behavior patterns from one woman to the next, to put myself first for a while. Your example is solid too, don't get me wrong, I see your point clearly.

        [–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Keep in mind that its not only what you are transferring to between women but what they are projecting onto you. It seems to be quite common a sentiment around here that with perfect frame that these women can be broken in but that is going to be a battle and again, maybe just not worth the effort. I live around a lot and it would be futile and exhausting to try to train up every Ukrainian woman to behave like a Colombian and vice versa and even if it were possible that would be a life partner level of dedication. At a certain point they come as they come. So you're trying to change habits for the better while women from a culture are projecting that same shit at you which embedded those weaknesses into you in the first place. That seems like life on hard mode to me. I've just found that by traveling I am around women who are projecting completely different crap onto me and the crap which they do project is not at all embedded into my psyche and its easy peasy to just deflect it. Add in instant status improvement for just being there, better physiques, less entitlement, lower expectations, more feminine behavior and aspirations, lower costs.

        [–]no_face 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        once you cross 30 and especially after 40, MGTOW is a serious option because your little head is slightly in lesser control

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Right, but you're also in better control of your life in general. Note, I'm not talking about swearing off women, merely living my own life with occasional company.

        [–]AudioAssassyn 5 points6 points  (9 children)

        My ex wife was a chronic cheater, and I was young and dumb and kept taking her back, believing her tears and cries that she had changed. Eventually left with some guy she was banging (take a little comfort in knowing she did it to him too about 2 years later and tried running back to me). There was one time she went to "run errands" and we had sex when she got home and she felt different - like I could tell she'd already fucked that day. I brought it up and she threw this Oscar-worthy performance, running to the bathroom in tears, pulling out cranberry pills, throwing them at me and saying I wouldn't understand having a yeast infection, then crumbling to the floor in tears. I felt terrible, but I decided to keep investigating. Got hard evidence about 2 weeks later. That was the first time of 4 times I knew for a fact it happened (suspected at least 4 other times, but couldn't get the drop on her).

        So my next gf I just KNEW was different, and I absolutely believe she was faithful... For about the first 3.5 years. Then, like all women, she got bored, and we were going through a rough patch (which will always make them significantly more inclined to hop on another dick - "you asked for it, asshole! You basically ran me into his arms!" Her friends and family will also encourage this sentiment as she gradually starts dragging your name through the mud so she won't look like a whore, but rather "strong, and brave!").

        One night her "girlfriends" took her out to the bar for her birthday, and she was only going to be there until 10 or 11. I now realize this is how she got me to consent to letting her go out alone; she knew if she just made it look like a couple birthday beers with the girls, and she'd be home right around bedtime, I'd feel comfortable letting her go alone. I fall asleep around 10, knowing she'll be home any minute now, wake up and it's 3 am, so I call and am like where tf are you, are you okay?! She says her friends got her too drunk so she was going to stay outside and sober up. I offered to come pick her up and she refused, because "she didn't want me to be tired in the morning".... Finally gets home somewhere around 5:45/6 that morning. No affection, no apology, kept her distance. So you're telling me a 110lb blonde girl loitered outside of a closed bar for at least 4 hours in the middle of the fucking night, and no one gave you trouble, and no cop drove by and wondered what in the flying fuck was going on???? C'mon! She was smarter than my ex wife, so I was never able to get hard evidence on her, but I know that where there's smoke there's fire, even if you can't quite locate it. She ended up breaking it off about 6 months later because she wanted to be "independent for awhile"... You don't end a 4.5 year relationship where you're already talking about marriage and kids to "be single"... You do it because you decided to ride the cock carousel.

        To get over her I've banged girls with boyfriends, fiances who were engaged to be married in a couple weeks, girls with young kids that were fresh out of dumping their baby's father... You name it. Each one talking shit about the man they're with. Partly, like I said - to get over her. But mainly to collect data and prove to myself I wasn't fucking imagining things - I had only been on the receiving end, so maybe I was a piece of shit like they said, and women were loyal if I didn't suck as bad as I apparently did? Surely that was the case, since that's what both LTRs insisted upon... Nevertheless, all data I collected shows that it's a cold hard fact that absolutely AWALT and they'll gladly spread their legs for some fresh cock at the drop of a hat. Shocking, I know. I'm sure all of them went back home to their man and told him how much of a piece of shit he was after I railed their pussies until they were cumming all over me. Maybe even fucked him and got off on the fact she banged 2 guys in one day. But I bet he wasn't smart enough to bring up the fact that she felt different...

        Stay vigilant, gentlemen. They will ALL eventually do it to you too.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Great rant and story and now you can take comfort knowing that although you likely won't ever find a faithful good girl, you can still have fun and stop beating yourself up over something that doesn't exist

        [–]AudioAssassyn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's when I finally came to terms with TRP. I knew about it long before my last ex and I split, but I still held hope for a unicorn. Now I know there's truly no point in searching for the Loch Ness Monster, and can enjoy the rest of my time without allowing some woman to waste mine. The last ex displayed everything that would make me think she's different, and even her upbringing and surroundings, if there was someone different, it was her. Arguably far better proof than the idiot whore ex wife.

        [–]Morphs_ 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        "To get over her I've banged girls with boyfriends, fiances who were engaged to be married in a couple weeks, girls with young kids that were fresh out of dumping their baby's father... You name it"

        So how did you do this? You make it sound so easy to find and pick up those women. Can you share a bit about the locations you picked them up, ways of interacting, your attitude towards them, etc.

        [–]AudioAssassyn 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        Couple of them I knew from throughout the years. One I met at work, one met while I was out. The ones I knew from the past were the easiest, because it was easy to rebuild a report with them.

        [–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Thanks for your info. Then the second question, how do you move from getting into contact again to banging them while knowing they are in a relationship? I guess it requires some form of being very upfront and aggressive in your moves? Did you tell anything about your new way of life?

        [–]AudioAssassyn 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Just casually/gradually initiate contact again. Eventually move to talking about how much you miss hanging out with/seeing them. Test the waters in person by saying something like "you know I always really had a thing for you back in ______ ". Gauge their response to that. If you can get some good eye contact going you can use facial gestures to pretty blatantly flirt, and if they flirt back, you're more than likely good to make a move. There were ones that definitely didn't play back, so I didn't bother and just fell back off the face of the earth (I don't need a friend, but thanks). You win some, you lose some.

        The ones that didn't play back A) just didn't have a thing for me, or B) had a fresh relationship still in the "I'd NEVER cheat on him!" phase. Which will definitely fade eventually. One day, be it a year, 2 years, 5 years, who knows, she'll eventually be bouncing around on some other dude's cock.

        [–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Thanks a lot for your info, I appreciate it

        [–]dirtygarbage1974 26 points27 points  (8 children)

        Just fuck em' right and you won't have this problem. You can manipulate loyalty out of women.

        Just read The Sex God Method. Daniel isn't kidding when he says if you fill all her sexual needs she'll have no need to get it anywhere else. If you haven't witnessed this first hand go back and read the book and try again because you're doing it wrong.

        AWALT - in that they ALL HAVE The capacity to cheat. Although all you need is genitals and monogamy to have cheating be possible...so to be frank I'll never understand how any of you thought this was some ground breaking revelation. There was literally never any scripture stating women could never cheat.

        Women end up cheating because these dipshit men aren't controlling the aspects of their lives that allow them to cheat.

        All you have to to do is own her world. Manipulate her life so that her life involves taking care of your shit. Then fuck her the best she's ever had. It's simple but it's not easy.

        Eventually she won't understand a world without you or your cock. Same process as instilling the fear of God in her. She'll be too scared to astray. It's a different ball game when you've set it up so her life depends on you. Girls know who they can cheat and who won't tolerate it.

        "Well you just don't understand the nature of women".

        Well actually with enough understanding and power you can control this nature. Don't worry guys I've had women tell their boyfriends goodnight on the phone while I'm behind them. I've seen it myself.

        Loyalty exists but it needs to be trained. Bonus points on the phone - pay for it. Then it's really hard to argue why you shouldn't look at her fucking phone.

        There are spectrums to this shit and you guys always sit on the extreme end and ruin the fun for yourselves. Every woman has the capacity to be a sex crazed cheating whore. Having the capacity doesn't necessarily make it the case.

        [–]underdestruction 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        How do you maintain the level of desire and attraction to fuck the same girl at 100% day after day?

        [–]dirtygarbage1974 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        Variety. Again it's in the Sex God Method. understand that all pussy is the same and sexual compatibility is real. Just like you can crack better jokes with certain buddies you can have different/better sex with women

        [–]datshitcray69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ive been fucking LTR for 60 days straight, running out of ideas. She lives with me now lol

        [–]j_arbuckle2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Curious. Care to give examples of the different methods of control?

        I think you've stumbled upon a fairly taboo Dominance kink: lifestyle Dom.

        [–]blackleaf31 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        it's just your turn, act accordingly.

        I depart from this. I think cheating is wrong, and just because someone is willing to cheat with me does not make it ethically ok for me to do so. Someone else's lack of ethics does not impact my ethics.

        [–]RedPillHanSolo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        By all means do you, but IMO we're still animals inside. A quite interseting excerpt from "A pragmatic view of morality":

        People who appear to have morals are either 1 of 3 things:

        1: Poor and unsuccessful. These people are completely invested in their morals/religion and it gives them a sense of purpose in their shitty lives. Avoid these people like the plague. It's an endless pit of constantly feeling guilty/shameful about your natural ways of being.

        2: Rationalizers. These people know at the back of their head/deep down that they aren't really living up to their "morals". They pretend to be moral because it's a way of fitting in and feeling good about oneself but they act completely against the morals they preach. The majority of women and ALL blue-pill men fall into this category.

        3: Liars. These people know the game of power and are simply acting. They realize that moral authority is very powerful and know that they must disguise themselves as a moral person to become successful. They preach morals or agree with the preachers, but their actions will always be subtly for their own good. Many power hungry, malignant personality types will hide in religion to take advantage of their brainwashed subjects (the subjects are also usually weaker/younger = easy to manipulate).

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You can think what you want but its nothing we here give a shit about and if you start preaching morality than you may as well hit unsubscribe before you get rightfully banned

        [–]blackleaf31 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I said what my ethics are, not what your ethics should be. And incidentally, chiding me for "preaching morality" is, in and of itself, preaching morality.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is how you moralize without getting into trouble. State your frame, even argue it is right. Just don't demand other men accept your moral framework.

        [–]futmut 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        ''1 Do not get married 2 You can't expect fidelity from a woman, it's just your turn, act accordingly. 3 if this post makes you upset then you don't yet understand the true nature of women.''

        I agree especially with this part...a lot of dummies here think that if they have high smv value and alpha enough their wife will not cheat on them, because they will be scared to lose a high value guy...Man how pathetic they are...trying to convince us with their bs..

        I still remember a friend of mine which is short, ugly as hell and never lifted in his life plus he had no money and yet pounded a girl which was in a relationship with a chad like looking guy...That guy was the center of attention everywhere ho goes due to his look and high smv yet somehow his girlfriend cheated on him with a guy with extremely low smv without a reason..

        [–]martinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        He banged her good I guess

        [–]TheDeadlyZebra 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Hold up. You say don't get married presumably to avoid getting cheated on. Well.. what if you both cheat on each other? I suppose you might call that an "open marriage." But I mean closed, in the sense of not talking about new encounters or allowing other mates back into our home or personal lives. There's still the benefit of "looking married" and having someone in particular to depend on

        A lot of the married women you reference probably have husbands that also cheat right under their nose

        [–]I_Need_More_Space_ 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        How about just don't get married for risk of financial ruin? That is a U.S. problem for sure.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I have a few buddies who cheat sure. Most men my age however csnt, wont, and if they did then their sexual strategy is betabux

        [–]netherlanddwarf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It's just human nature science. Nothing to take personally. Thanks for the reminder OP, great post.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        In her mind, she did nothing wrong

        Women always rationalise their own behaviour to be men's fault. "I cheated because I wasn't being satisfied at home by my neglectful husband" [who works night and day to support his family.... but that's conveniently forgotten about].

        These women don't hate their husbands like Hollywood tells us. They consider them "best friends".

        Such is the life of a man when beta dating. Friends. Except the friendship only goes one way, and it's the same direction the money is going.

        [–]Westernhagen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Moreover, they will certainly get validation from all their friends and even anonymous strangers on the internet when they whine that their husband was "emotionally unavailable", not doing his share of the housework, blah blah blah. Feminine collective response will not be "shame on you, cheating slut" but "go for it, you deserve happiness and great sex!"

        [–]dinzen8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        What I have learnt is that is better to don’t think or be worry about infidelity. If you think too much in that you are going to become crazy, jealous and everything else. Cheating is not the ultimate feeling, you could feel like crap. I have done it too. You only can control yourself and your behavior. What do you really want to accomplish? Work on that path and try to don’t hurt anyone else. It could fuck your whole life.

        [–]bfte_juan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I don’t get how shit like this that people should’ve read in the sidebar gets so much attention.

        [–]NapalmSunshine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And this is why monogamy is for the birds :)

        [–]drty_pr 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I've been thinking as of late it's better for your image to cheat, on the chance she is aswell; opposed to finding out she was and being that guy socially.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I'm old school and prefer to keep my affairs private and I don't kiss and tell.

        That's why I tell you guys.

        [–]drty_pr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I'm not saying kiss and tell, but should it get blown up, I'd rather be the former over the latter in my comment

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If my wife were cheating and it came out publicly, I would be laughing out loud and telling everyone what a dumbass she is.

        [–]Davidskylarkk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Apparently a big movement of dudes are such pussies they don't care if their girl fucks other dudes. What the fuck is going on now?!? I will never understand this new world we live in.

        [–]panzerknack 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        This post makes me upset because you dont yet understand the true nature of statistics lol.

        Women you've schnobbed treating their other men like shit only strengthens your own confirmation bias. When you get shot down by a girl with a boyfriend/husband, do you think "Wow add one checkmark to the 'not a total whore' column". No, you think "fuckin bitch, she woulda cheated if my game was tighter/I was hotter". Cant you see- every single experience you have gets run through this emotional filter and twisted to fit an existing narrative? Christ you say women are the emotional ones, based on TRP sometimes I think it's the opposite with all the illogical emotional screeching.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        so if an epidemic hits a city and 25% of people get sick, then according to you then meeting a few healthy ones proves nothing is wrong.

        Also, I'm fucking great but not every womans cup of tea or even if I was, the timing may not be ideal so a woman turning me down doesn't in any way mean she wouldn't cheat the way ducks like bread

        [–]panzerknack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Your latter statement is repeating exactly what I just said. We agree.

        [–]Davidskylarkk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Glad you were emotionally available enough to hate. Also glad to see you keeping up with TRP, love the fans! I assume you are a women. You just contradicted yourself. You say women aren't emotional yet you get emotional reading posts on Reddit. Is hating posts logical?

        You help validate TRP in your own statement. You hate it but you continue to read it. This proves that as long as you can create any emotion in a woman, they will be attracted. Thanks for validating for the skeptics!!

        [–]panzerknack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Huh? I'm a guy - and I find debate entertaining, just like everyone else here. I'll concede TRP type sentiments are more entertaining to read than Noam-Chomsky style falsehoods.

        Dude, we're all emotional- that was my point. That doesn't mean good, or bad, it just means many of our decisions are made from an emotional perspective, then rationalized logically. Of course my statement came from a place of emotion -i reacted to op's most with disdain. Again, there's nothing wrong with an emotional reaction to something (unless you're the sub commander with your finger on the launch key) - I think most of TRPs problem is denial that most of their outbursts are founded on emotion. They're frustrated at how theyve been treated by girls, and feel anger. That's fine.

        [–]DouglasPR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I've did and seen my friends doing women that had boyfriends, fiancees, husbands. They gave absolute zero fucks about the sucker back home paying the bills. AWALT, I have no illusions in my LTR, she can cheat, or may have cheated without me having a clue. This is specially true when they travel alone or with groups of female friends.

        [–]ScarletScoundrel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Now the more important question: Where do I meet these kind of women? Examples from your life you could share?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        These women aren't rare and hidden away. All WOMEN are like this for the right man

        [–]ScarletScoundrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        True. I was more looking for some anecdotes of how you started things with them, if you have any.

        [–]mrHappyPotatoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        2 years and it finally doesnt upset me at all. Contradictory, a dmall smirk cones to my face when I read such topics now.

        [–]uebermacht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        [–]FinancierGuru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Gold.

        "In her mind, she did nothing wrong." -endorsed by experience.

        [–]ryalln 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        I found out 3 1/5 years plus 9 months to find out the child i loved and adored wasnt mine. My only suggestion to guys with kids is get a DNA test if your ever unsure and never ever tell her you have it.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I'd love to see this in FR one day. pls tag me

        [–]ryalln 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Tbh its not a bad idea. Let other guys see what happens when you turn into a beta chump. You can do the "right" thing and come out owing money and have nothing to show. Let me see if I can CBF tonight.

        [–]__reboot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It ain't cheatin' if you're platin' as Billy the Chad hillbilly would say

        [–]Luckylancer96 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Would not our polygamy force us to cheat same way?

        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        You assume men and women have the same concept of honor. They dont.

        [–]Luckylancer96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Nice point at least for ~%20 of us. ~%80 of people here are too fixated on mundane sex rather than honor.

        [–]Luckylancer96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Nice point, at least for ~%20 of us. ~%80 of people here are too fixated on mundane sex rather than honor.

        [–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Absolutely nothing will stop a woman from cheating, not even the most religious women in the most morally strict society. Even the threat of being brutally tortured and executed, and then having the big daddy alpha in the sky casting her soul to burn in the hottest fires of hell for all eternity is not enough to stop a woman from remorselessly cheating on her husband for a taste of alpha cock just once. Hypergamy is a much more powerful force controlling a woman's mind than any patriarchal religion.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        One bish texted me naked pics from some church retreat recently

        [–]1UPZ_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Women are like men when it comes to wanting sex... men are slightly hornier, women pickier.

        But replace the word "women" from OP's post and put "men" instead and its the same thing.

        We (men) would cheat on our loved ones if a woman we find extremely attractive and sexy offers it to us, and assuming there's an opportunity to do so (time, place availability) Heck, the woman doesn't even have to be someone we find extremely attractive... she just have to get our dick hard enough. Women are slightly pickier.

        [–]metallicdrama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The key is not care and cheat more/harder.

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