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Rant/VentingI will never be Chad. And that's ok. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by brugriff

Seven years ago I was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. For those of you who know of it but don't think it's real/I'm just lazy - this thing destroyed the life I wanted for myself. If you don't know what it is then I don't blame you. Now. Because of my condition I am undesirable to a woman. I cannot lift. I cannot provide. I can barely go out and meet people let alone frame properly in front of a woman. I will never-not break one of the golden rules of female interaction because I present unavoidable problems and burdens. My SMV is inherently low and there's little I can do to increase it above a certain threshold. Afterall, why would a woman be with someone so debilitated when she can CC and go from stud to stud? Why would she settle with a man who cannot provide a home and safety when she can marry a guy with money? Etc.

I got past the resentment stage long ago. It's not their fault and it sure as shit ain't mine.

But OP if you can't live TRP life why are you here?

Simple. Because TRP is about far more than chicks. At it's core it's about being a better you. It instill a boat load of self confidence. It encourages you to set and attain the goals you set for yourself. And above it all it helps you understand the world in which we all live and a man's place in it. Learning to get laid and be a hedonist is all fun and games, enjoy the decline yadda yadda, but it's the level of understanding TRP philosophy provides that is the golden nugget of information.

So! My personal story:

Despite the hardships and difficulty in logistics I managed to go steady with a girl for around 4 months this year. It was good. Very few shit-tests, as much sex as I could handle, she was submissive to my desires (thankfully I'm naturally a dominant personality). The dream. How, you ask? I mean she was well aware of my medical problems but I did my upmost to suffer in silence and not be a burden - emotionally and physically. I wasn't afraid to cancel plans together if I wasn't up to going out or having her round and I never blamed my condition. Things worked well for a while and I got to enjoy female company for the first time in years. Shit collapsed when I lost my nerve, though, and broke the rule I set for myself: I am enough of a burden to be with so minimize the burden.

My mother tried to kill herself in front of me and my whole family. I managed to stop her. The experience was... Intense. And I was shook up. Badly.

With frame the last thing on my mind I went to my girl for emotional support. She was busy and I asked her to cancel her plans with her friends. I needed a hug. I was weak. We were calling eachother bf/gf at this point so I figure it would be alright. What are LTRs for if not shit like this? She broke up with me the day after because she couldn't handle me being this way.

Without a TRP outlook I would have been distraught. I would have phoned her in tears a day later asking how she could do that to me. I would have been a wimp about it. Instead I understood completely and cut all contact. Blocked her on every platform I had her on. I'm already a burden to her, there are already Chads on the market and she was a 7/10, so there's no reason to put up with me. AWALT. I focused on pulling myself back together instead. And it helped.

With my sob story over here's what I learned about being a disabled TRP-er and having my first RP relationship:

  • If you're reading this sub and you're like me... It's ok to not be Chad. Some people just can't be.
  • You are not a lost cause - you can still find girls. Focus on what you can improve to increase your SMV to the point it outshines your inherent drawbacks.
  • TRP is useful regardless of your personal situation and likelyhood of getting laid.
  • If you manage to pull, you need to be on your A game at all times and far more than a normie.
  • Be ok with yourself.

Life is hard enough for even the most fortunate souls. For us, it can be harder. Don't lament over what others have and others are capable of. It doesn't help you. Have an outlook that helps you. Do things that help you. Self-loathing gets you nowhere. Not in life, not with the ladies.

TL;DR: TRP is the way forward regardless of your personal circumstances and ability to act on the philosophy.


[–][deleted] 364 points365 points  (58 children)

Great post.

Solid TRP, not creepy incel/blackpill/mgtow shit.

You were dealt a shitty hand. Most stop there. "I can't be superChad, why should I do anything at all? Women suck!"

You realized that you can't be an 8, but you sure as shit can raise yourself from a 4 to a 6.

You even included a setback (never let them see you weak), the consequences, and the realization of the error of your ways.

One piece of advice... you spend a lot of time on vidgame subs. Which means you spend even more time on vidgames. There are better things to do with your time.

Nice work.

[–]brugriff[S] 98 points99 points  (56 children)

One piece of advice... you spend a lot of time on vidgame subs. Which means you spend even more time on vidgames. There are better things to do with your time.

I'm bedbound some days so they're a decent way to pass the time, but you're 100% right. Part of my condition involves "brainfog." Thinking is incredibly hard some times so self education is difficult. I'm still trying to read more, even light fiction because I'm sure that's better than vidya, and I've also taken up chess to flex my brain.

Another thing I did was get myself a ferret two years ago. I thought having something to care about, something to be responsible for, would be healthy. Turns out it was.

Thanks for the advice and encouragement.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 32 points33 points  (37 children)

Have you tried the nootropic route for the fog?

[–]brugriff[S] 13 points14 points  (36 children)

I'm self medicating for my condition because modern medicine has nothing for me. Not much I've had has managed to help my cognitive abilities.

At the moment I'm on a tonne of vitamins like B complexes for energy, essential oils and such. I'm also taking shirtaji for the acids it has, apparently they're good for the brain. Chaga tincture, too.

Got any recommendations? I'm always open to trying new remedies.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 29 points30 points  (9 children)

I'm not going to give medical advice over the internet. Best to find a specialist, GP's don't have the same knowledge

[–]brugriff[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That's fair enough. I'll look into it. Cheers.

[–]baron_vladimir 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Purely anecdotical, but I have done a keto diet (check out their subreddit) on and off for years. After the adjustment period it has helped a lot with the brainfog every time.

Also there's a nootropics sub if you want more advice on that front.

[–]SmellsLikeNostrils 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not a doctor. Not disabled in that way.

But I do keto and it has cleared my thinking. It is not that the clear moments are clearer, but that there are far far fewer unclear moments. The food coma and lethargy that came after eating is 95% reduced since maintaining a ketogenic state and eating keto. General hunger is reduced 80%. Physically I've improved.

The diet itself takes a relatively high level of discipline, as far as diets go. I mean real diets, where you actually eat food. Starvation requires discipline, as does celibacy or any self-abnegation. But why?

The added discipline helps.

Far as nootropics, it's a very gray area morally and sometimes legally. No one needs them. But they can help. Caffeine and theanine in tea are nootropics. Some are risky. Others less so.

I'd (not a doctor) recommend to try Piracetam, if anything. It's the original "nootropic" or "smart drug" and it's one of the most tested. It's got a great safety record and it's not overwhelming. It sharpens my thinking subtly and makes me better able to perceive and process. And with fewer side effects than a cup of coffee. I tried pramiracetam, aniracetam, fasoracetam, Noopept, all the way up to Crystal meth. I still love Piracetam because I can just forget I took anything and work.

Some might object to any self medication on principle. Just like some might object to wearing a belt or gloves or straps for lifting.

You do you. But if you're going to use tools, get good ones and don't become dependant.

[–]DarkKnight2383 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Look into TRT or HRT Doctors. It can help with stabilizing your energy levels.

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    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    If it were easy, everyone would do it

    [–]NotMyBestEffort 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    What about Lyme Disease? Ever been bitten by a tick? I heard it causes chronic fatigue syndrome.

    [–]moderatelyremarkable 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    contact your doctor and check your magnesium and vitamin d levels.

    [–]JohnnyDildonics 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    thank god someone said it. I have brainfog from depression and constantly triggered allergies (think your immune system constantly flooding you with histamines, swelling, and cupfuls of snot from lungs throat and nose OVER EVERYTHING in the air), and magnesium is a magic bullet along with vitamin D (5,000 tabs, not teh 2,000 bs) with proper sleep and diet.

    [–]WhiskeyIsANootropic 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    This may seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but have you tried modafinil?

    [–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you are "redpilled"about women you should definetly look into the pharmaceutical industry. Stay away from these drugs. benzos (tranquilisers), ssris and stimulants.

    [–]derpderp5000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    playing around with modafinil dose is impt. i use 25mg. any more and it fuggs up my sleep.

    [–]daringdeviljackass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Go slow on the B vitamins. They're good and really useful (imo the word "vitamins" doesnt give b3 and b6 enough credit). However they can build up and while b3 can cause or exacerbate low blood (causing you to feel stressed and brainfog), b6 can cause serious insomnia even at approproate dosages, which is why dosages should be constantly tapered down and up again when needed or a.few days off

    [–]sketchyuser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Have you tried Magnesium? Cured my brain fog for the most part. Get doctors Best from amazon. Start slow with 200mg a day and raise it until you find a sweet spot. Eventually you won’t be deficient anymore and it won’t have as much of an effect but it’s good to make sure you’re not deficient.

    [–]1StinkyDiaper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I also used to experiment with all kinds of things, but I eventually found that many supplements can make problems even worse. Sometimes you need to simply get out of your own way.

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      [–]brugriff[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I'm a born again Christian. Found my faith in the midst of my illness. I realize when people say spirituality they usually mean stuff from Asia and new age hippy stuff but I can highly recommend a bible to those who need a helping hand.

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–]Werewolf35b 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Lsd sounds crazy for this, I was thinking the amphetamine/adderal route..

        [–]francisco_DANKonia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I've heard Serine has some success for CFS. Don't expect it to be huge though.

        [–]JuicySosa300 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You should look into armodafinil which is prescribed as a drug for narcolepsy and off label for adhd.

        [–]NiveusT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Check out some Ginkgo Biloba and make sure to load up on immune system boosters. Since your body is tired enough as it is, I’m sure getting sick lasts a long ass time and your immune system can’t work at its full potential.

        [–]brugriff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Bought some two weeks ago, actually! I'm on a number of adaoptogens too to help my immune system. There's theories out there my condition is auto-immune so it either needs to calm the fuck down or, like you said, needs reinforcing so I don't catch every disease I encounter so I've got both bases covered.

        [–]resoredo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Get some armodafinil or modafinil. In in the same shoes as you,bit that is to these Wonderkurs this GS, some other nootropics and then following that a healthy diet and light sport, I made it and came back from this hole.

        [–]Clispy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Magic Mushrooms or psyadellics?

        [–]cBIGONE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Have you tested your testosterone? Some injections might help a shit ton

        [–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dude.. go get your Testosterone levels checked ASAP! A lot of your symptoms are from low T!

        Have you ever had a brain injury? TBIs can cause low testosterone.

        Joe Rogan had a Dr. On who treats veterans, people who had motorcycle accidents etc. They suffer from depression, fatigue and a ton of other shit. The Dr. Gets many off drugs and puts them on testosterone replacement therapy and if changes their life.

        Also, do you consume soy milk or tofu? That shit is a synthetic form of estrogen and is horrible.

        Get your testosterone levels checked and post the results

        http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=8114

        It might come as shock to some but men can suffer from a form of menopause similar to what women endure. In fact this malady, sometimes called male menopause, shares a number of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) symptoms. Could it be then that some men thought to have CFS are actually suffering from this treatable hormone deficiency instead? While the answer is not so straightforward, often those treated for male menopause find relief from at least some of their "CFS" symptoms. 

        What Are the Symptoms? 

        Dr. Anton Dotson from the Cenegenics Medical Institute in Los Vegas lists some of the symptoms of male menopause as 

        · Decline in muscle mass and strength 

        · Increase in body fat mass 

        · Decrease of bone mass 

        · Decline in sex drive and sexual difficulties 

        · Decreased sense of overall well-being, perception of energy level, and vigor 

        · Decline in stamina and exertional performance 

        · Decline in cognitive skills, concentration and memory 

        · Coronary artery disease and higher cholesterol levels 

        https://lowtcenter.com/little-rock/little-rock-72212/why-low-testosterone-is-linked-to-chronic-fatigue-in-men/

        [–]Shaman6624 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Possibly very low doses of methyphenidate (ritalin) can permanently upregulate your dopamine.

        [–]chadeusmaximus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        ...Brainfog.

        Speaking of brainfog, I noticed that AMP energy drinks are great for waking my ass up, better than any other caffeine drink I've tried.

        It's more than just the caffeine. Their also loaded with B vitamins which I think is the key here. And they don't taste like energy drinks. So if you haven't tried it yet, I'd recommend checking them out.

        Question on the chronic fatigue thing. There's probably something chemically wrong with you. Maybe you're not getting enough...something... in your diet... Have you been to the doctor to figure out what that is? Maybe. You'd qualify for Obama care if you're poor.

        And the part about your Mom. God damn. Internet high five for keeping it together long enough to stop her.

        You may not have the strength to be a hero but you definitely got what it takes to be a sidekick. And sidekicks are heroes too. :) +1. 👍

        [–]MessianicJuice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Literally every single energy drink has B vitamins. Amp, rockstar, monster, etc, are almost all exactly the same except for flavors and sweeteners used. There are a couple drinks which have some light nootropics in them, but they're still kinda hard to find.

        [–]techstuph 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Part of my condition involves "brainfog."

        Have you had your testosterone checked? Fatigue and brainfog are very common for men with low testosterone.

        [–]brugriff[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Yup! I've had dozens of tests for all sorts of things. Everything was normal, including T.

        [–]cBIGONE 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        What was your T exactly?? "Normal T" has a massive range.

        [–]derpderp5000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        second this.. just because your T is in the range doesn't mean its at the right level

        [–]Casanova-Quinn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Have you been tested for sleep apnea? Low energy and brain fog are two common symptoms of it.

        [–]NiveusT 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Is there an easy way to get tested for this? Or are they all in an isolated setting?

        [–]Casanova-Quinn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I assume that you have to spend a night at a hospital being monitored for a proper diagnosis.

        [–]RedwallAllratuRatbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Some people tape their mouths and compare their sleep quality. The only approximation we have atm

        [–]sac666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Read up on articles by Ray Peat. He has some good advice, though not specific to CFS, generally involves improving your energy levels. If you never smoked, try micro dosing nicotine ( gum or patch)

        [–]gabilromariz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You may like Rosetta Stone. It's a software for learning foreign languages (it's expensive but easy to find on P2P) that is built in a very simple manner. In fact, I've seen 4 year olds use it without a hitch, so it may be easy enough to use with a foggy brain.

        I've tried it sick and hungover and the whole thing is built around simple clicks so give it a try

        [–]harryspanker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yah whats your diet bro??? I changed up mine feel way less fatigued

        [–]redlife_awalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You mentioned that you wanted to increase your focus and thinking; have you tried playing strategy games like Civilization or Starcraft?

        [–]Alexinfinite01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Jesus that sounds like shit. Keep up the fight brother!

        [–]Realhumanbean2152 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Why not take modafinil lol it will force the receptors in your brain to wake up and you won't be a lazy phucker

        [–]dabah2014 79 points80 points  (11 children)

        I dealt with CFS for three years and finally discovered my problem: low thyroid and low testosterone. I am now on TRT and thyroid replacement and feeling 80% better. Hormones, primarily thyroid, cortisol, and testosterone control your energy among many other things. If you have low energy, it is EXTREMELY likely you are somewhat lacking in at least one of these three hormones. You need bloodwork done. You also need to SEE your bloodwork results. Not just rely on your doctor who will tell you, “everything is in range.” My testosterone was “in range”. My levels were 300 on a scale of 250-1100. That’s about as low as a 70 year old man. Same with my thyroid. My TSH was 4.9 in a range of .5-5.0. “In range” doesn’t mean shit. Go to an integrative medical doctor who will work with you and request him to test the following: 1. SALIVARY CORTISOL 4x, 2. TSH, 3. Free T3, 4. Free T4, 5. Reverse T3, 6. Total Testosterone, 7. Free testosterone. CFS is not a cause, it is a symptom. Energy stems directly from hormones. If you have questions interpreting a bloodwork or finding a doctor who will work with you, feel free to PM me. Remember, CFS is a SYMPTOM. It is not an actual disease. I dealt with it for 3 years and cured it after over 20 blood tests and 5 different doctors. The cause depends on the person. 99% of the time though, it is hormone related.

        [–]primu5d 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        This is GREAT information. OP should seriously look at this. CFS ISNT a cause, it's a symptom.

        [–]silentslade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        This is exactly the kind of comment I want to see more of on TRP.

        [–]nowboarding 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        What do you mean by salivary cortisol "4x"? And is measuring for saliva better than from blood?

        If your cortisol is very high what can doctors do about it? I made a post about this a while back and people said the only thing is to learn relaxation and meditation techniques because there's no medical solution.

        [–]dabah2014 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        "Salivary Cortisol 4x" is a method of measuring the diurnal rhythm of FREE cortisol levels by collecting saliva samples 4 times over the course of a single day (usually 8 am, 12 pm, 4 pm, and 8 am). Blood cortisol by itself is usually insufficient for uncovering cortisol deficiencies UNLESS you have a severe case of either Addison's or Cushing's disease. There are numerous studies indicating the effectiveness of salivary testing vs blood for diagnosing adrenal insufficiency. Here is one.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6316831

        Healthy cortisol levels are highest in the morning and are supposed to gradually decrease throughout the day reaching their lowest point at night. Blood cortisol cannot map these rhythms, only salivary cortisol testing can. Most people with cortisol problems have a condition that is slowly becoming recognized as "HPA axis dysfunction". Contrary to popular belief, high cortisol is not the issue for most people, LOW cortisol is the issue for most people. HPA axis dysfunction usually follows this pattern:

        1) Person becomes stressed due to X situation(s).

        2) The hypothalamus releases CRH (corticotrophin releasing hormone) which directs the pituitary to produce ACTH which finally prompts your adrenal glands (located directly above the kidneys) to produce cortisol.

        3) Cortisol levels remain chronically elevated for a period of time.

        4) Eventually, the adrenals crash and no longer respond to the hypothalamus/pituitary commands to create cortisol.

        5) Person is left with chronically low cortisol.

        Stressors included heavy metal toxicity, overworking, overtraining, high sugar diet, alcohol, antibiotic use(the importance of the gut microbiome is an entire topic in itself), stimulant abuse(yes, this includes commonly accepted substances like adderall, coffee, or pre workouts. The norepinephrine spikes stimulants cause are HORRIBLE for your stress levels), etc...

        That's the basic gist of HPA axis dysfunction. The problem is, it doesn't stop there. Low cortisol inhibits T4>T3 thyroid conversion, which in turn raises SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) which in turn lowers free testosterone levels in the body. Cortisol is the head honcho in the hormone chain. When it's to low or to high, every other hormone in the body suffers. Neurotransmitters suffer as well. This effects every aspect of health from libido and confidence to one's ability to wake up in the morning. There is not much traditional western doctors can or will do because most of them are following outdated hormone information from the 80s/90s and will scoff at you for introducing any of the more modern hormone studies/theories that are coming out. Modern endocrinology is a joke, and I could write an entire book on why. A select few doctors MAY offer to prescribe corticosteroids(prednisone, hydrocortisone, medrol, etc..) if your salivary levels are low enough, but corticosteroids can bring about a host of new problems if they are not dosed EXACTLY right. This is why I told the OP he must find a doctor willing to work with him. It is CRUCIAL to find a doctor who perform the necessary bloodwork. I do NOT recommend visiting endocrinologists. They are typically very close-minded and unwilling to treat you unless you are drastically below range for any given hormone test. The best options are:

        1) Holistic doctors who are able to prescribe drugs. My primary doctor is a holistic/naturopathic doctor, but she also believes in the importance of drugs for certain situations. Holistic doctors tend to be very open-minded in allowing you to do your own research on your condition. Often times, as long as you can present a valid case for your request, they will prescribe you most drugs that you request. My doctor will prescribe me almost any drug I request as long as I can back up my request with evidence for how X drug may help my specific conditions (hypothyroidism, low testosterone, mercury toxicity, leaky gut syndrome). Keep in mind, I don't abuse this set-up. It's not like I'm constantly asking her for Schedule II drug prescriptions. More like thyroid meds, heavy metal chelators, and anti-fungals. She also performs just about any blood test I request. Yes, there are many holistic doctors out there who are total quacks, but there are also many (like mine) who take a very open approach to treatment and are 100% willing to work with you. I got very lucky with my doctor. If you look around online, there are many sites dedicated to helping people find holistic/open-minded doctors in their area. You have to do some research, but it's worth it in the end.

        2) Integrative Medical Doctors. These doctors tend to be less holistic than a naturopath(aka, less likely to correctly diagnose mineral deficiencies, sleep issues, diet problems, etc...) but they are still light years ahead of most endocrinologists and general physicians in their understanding of hormones as well as their willingness to treat deficiencies. My current TRT doc is an integrative medical doctor, and he's fucking awesome. He listens carefully to every concern I have, runs very extensive bloodwork, and is almost always willing to try a new treatment if I provide a convincing case that it would benefit me.

        3) Anti-aging/Hormone clinics. These types of clinics are usually very open to prescribing hormones since it's what makes them money. Unfortunately, they often will prescribe hormones when maybe only a simple lifestyle change would have been necessary (better sleep/diet). Their concern is often not as much for helping to improve your health as it is to simply make a dime off you. Still, if you've done your research and it's clear you need hormone therapy, these places can usually help.

        The farther I've traveled on my own health journey, the more I've realized we are a nation bent on treating "symptoms". Everything has become a "syndrome" or a "disease". In reality, most "syndromes" and "diseases" (for example, CFS) are simply symptoms that can be traced back to a select few issues:

        1) Gut/microbiome health (affected by alcohol, antibiotics, heavy metals, sugar). There's a reason probiotics have been demonstrated by multiple studies to affect every function of the body from testosterone and neurotransmitter levels to digestion and sleep quality.

        2) Hormone health(thyroid/cortisol/testosterone deficiency).

        3) Parasitic infections(I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but there's mounting evidence that parasitic infections are more widespread than the medical community has been willing to acknowledge)

        4) Improper nutrition.

        5) Chronic stress.

        I can't tell you how many people I've seen ditch their psychiatric drugs after correcting their hormone levels either through natural means or hormone treatments. Of course, Big Pharma doesn't want you to know this. Take a guy with low testosterone for example. He will have low libido, brain fog, depression, anxiety, etc... It benefits Big Pharma's wallet MUCH more to put him on viagra for libido, adderall for brain fog, Zoloft for depression, and benzos for anxiety than to simply give him a $30/month testosterone prescription that would allow him to ditch ALL those medications. Nobody will ever care about YOUR health more than you. Take charge. Start educating yourself.

        My heart breaks for people like the OP since I was once in the exact same fucking place. So many people out there like the OP who have been convinced by Big Pharma and idiotic doctors that they simply have an unexplainable "syndrome" or "condition" that can't be fixed, when the reality is the answer to a healthier life is right within your grasp. Anyways, sorry for the wall of text. Hopefully this shit helped somebody.

        [–]nowboarding 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Thanks for this! How did you learn so much about all this?

        [–]dabah2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I played a year of college football at a small school. Ended up having 6 surgeries in the space of two years, and I quickly developed a plethora of health problems after all the surgeries (hypothyroid, chronic fatigue, low testosterone, crippling anxiety, etc...). I spent about 3 years visiting traditional doctors, endocrinologists, naturopaths, and Chinese medicine doctors as well as thousands of dollars on natural remedies, drugs, etc.. Basically just trial and error. Looking back, I can honestly say I learned a lot of valuable information from each doctor as well as each method of treatment. To many people tend to be either 100% western medicine or 100% natural/eastern medicine. There's so information much to be gained from both sides.

        [–]CoronaTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It is very inspiring to see that this condition is beatable.

        [–]derpderp5000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm a pharmacist. Turns out i had a bug in my GI tract for several years which caused immense fatigue and cognitive problems.

        Got zero help from docs and took 5 years of my life. Eventually i convinced my doc to treat me with antibiotics. Used metronidazole for 2 weeks and got rid of the infection. felt great after.

        [–]Redpiller77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thanks very much for the information. I might pm you in the future for help regarding the interpretation of my exams results.

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        [–]brugriff[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

        It does have a pretty awful name. But to be honest I don't really care if Average Joe on the internet or in the street doesn't believe what I have exists.

        I know I have it. My doctors know. My family knows. That's all that matters to me really.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 29 points30 points  (2 children)

        Here's an interesting bit of info for you. I have limited mobility, chronic pain, ptsd and other mental shit I deal with every day. Today is the first day I've been in my shop in almost three weeks to do more than put air in my truck tires. Need to get somewhere on the two cars sitting in here that I'm rebuilding.

        I got fucked up in the desert back in 04, was my last deployment. Got forced out a year later. Can't run, can't deploy, can't be in the military. I've gone from the man who was capable of crazy shit, lifting massive weight, doing the impossible as an afterthought, to not being able to walk 200ft without excruciating pain. My back is great, the rest of me is fucked.

        Man that was something to get used to, capable to can't do shit. I got fat from sitting around, thankfully didn't lose the muscle, but it was covered in fat. That made it worse. The ex stayed and did what she could through all the crap I had to endure from the war. I endured the pain, and found ways around it to get active again, I started getting better and being who I am, pushed myself again. Then I fucked upmy lungs with a chemical that makes it hurt to breathe. Then the ex took off just when I was recovering from that. Best thing the bitch did for me to be honest. I've gotten more done in the last 4 years than I did in the 9 with her, she was holding me back.

        That six months of being unable to do anything let me heal, and now I can walk again, lift, and I get active all summer. Gained weight again during that six months, and subsequently lost it again. Now I'm back where I was when I was fat, but it's more muscle on me now. 48 and still packing on the muscle, I'll never run again, but I'm not a fat ass. I fuck girls half my age easily, not fat chicks but hot girls. I don't tell them a damn thing about what I deal with.

        The point of this is you do what you can, find ways around your issues. This goes for everyone, because everyone has issues and you need to get shit done regardless. I've found ways around pain, mental shit, lack of money, living in the middle of nowhere, and not being able to breathe. Your shit is an obstacle, you go over, around, under, or right through the mother fucker.

        I get that you lack energy and have a hard time with getting going. Put in as much effort as you can while you can, trust me on that. Build up your tolerance and extend the time where you can get shit done. You're still human, so it will still work. Sitting on your ass won't get you anywhere.

        [–]Ganaria_Gente 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Thanks for sharing your story. Is incredible what you went thru. And ofc course, your girl yet again proves awalt

        [–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The best revenge against those who thought you couldnt succeed is success :)

        [–]1GreenPiller 107 points108 points  (5 children)

        It's OK, most of us here have autism anyway

        [–]FriendlyAdvisor-v2 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Damn, someone said it before me.

        [–]DotishGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        but at least we don't got da polio ;)

        [–]trp_nofap_rewire2018 14 points15 points  (4 children)

        Damn my friend, kudos to you. Seriously.

        You could spend the day loathing in self-pity, but you decided to face all this shit and take it like a real man. That’s no easy task. I hope despite this you’ve been doing well. How are your days man? I mean, your interests and hobbies, considering you can’t do much outside.

        Also, your post made me realize the blessing that is to be healthy. I have nothing to complain of.

        Best regards OP!

        [–]brugriff[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        I appreciate the kind words, man. Yeah look after your health. It's so easy to take for granted and yet one day you can step off the curb wrong, trip, and break your neck. Boom. Wheelchair.

        At the moment my hobbies are chess and that's about it. Most everything else is filler but I've described it all in another comment somewhere.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Im trying to get better at chess, yet I feel i make the same mistakes and the same moves over and over again. Like I dont develop my skills or advance. Any tips?

        [–]brugriff[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        • Play against better people, for one thing. You'll learn far more from your losses than your wins.

        • There's nothing wrong with making the same moves over and over. There are some really strong attacks/defences. A move I often do is to attack the Queen-side rook with my knight, it's a very classic thing because you can end up checking him and easily taking the rook.

        • Twitch has a decent number of chess streams. Check them out.

        • Similarly, watch the pros. Try and predict their moves and such.

        • There are whole books based around single chess games between Grandmasters. There's thousands just discussing the opening move. There's a wealth of literature - read up!

        • Get on the chess.com ladder. There's all sorts of cool people in the community and lots of different variants to choose from.

        • Try set pieces and puzzles. You'll often find the situations occuring in real games, and if you practice these enough you'll see the pattern developing and you'll know the answers and options.

        Basically you gotta accept chess is hard, and takes a lot of time and investment to get seriously good. I've actually started to dream it a lot because it's on my mind.

        Good luck! And have fun.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Thanks alot. When I get better, wanna have an online game sometime? Ill get slaughtered but Im sure Ill learn

        [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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        [–]brugriff[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

        Absolutely not a lost cause! I still managed to get a bird despite my drawbacks when there's thousands of healthy kissless virgins. That said though, the only way I'm managing to stay in shape is diet. Regular exercise is too much of a hurdle right now and since I'm forced to be semi-sedintary with my lifestyle my calorie burn is low - therefore my diet has to reflect that. No chance of being shredded but at least I ain't fat.

        Working on sex appeal is a challenge but the LTR was a confidence boost. The fact I was sexually attractive to one woman undoubtedly means I am to others. Abundance mentality, yo.

        [–]throwawaybczlife 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Always always always always x1000000 focus on improving yourself, you should not give a single flying fuck what others think as long as you are happy with yourself. No matter what you think, there will always be something to improve. TL;DR: Life dealt you a shitty hand, you gonna sit around and do nothing or focus on improving yourself.

        [–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I have to love your optimism. It will take you very far in life. I have faith that one day you will be better than all this. Keep it up man!!

        [–]Denadog 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        [–]1StinkyDiaper 4 points5 points  (13 children)

        You dodged a bullet. My wife would absolutely drop plans with friends to help me emotionally if I went through something as traumatic as that. You didn't do anything wrong.

        I, too, have fatigue issues, and also anxiety issues. Because of those things, I am limited. Intense exercise sends my anxiety levels out of control, as does caffeine. I need to keep a pretty good diet, and never push myself too hard in any area. It is what it is.

        It's okay to have a weakness. It's not okay to live as if you don't.

        Have you ever considered giving kratom a try?

        [–]brugriff[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I did actually, yes. I tried a number of strains and honestly all they did was keep me entertained. Had one type that was the best buzz I've ever had but I got quite addicted and called it quits the moment I realized it was just a coping mechanism and not a cure.

        The stuff is illegal in the UK now anyway.

        Edit: trash tier 3G made me post the comment like 5 times. My bad!

        [–]1StinkyDiaper 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Good on you for trying, man.

        Do you suffer from depression as well? Have you experienced trauma in the past?

        [–]brugriff[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Fortunately not, no. I'm a positive and happy person. The way I see it I can either sit and stew and do nothing but pity myself or I can be like:

        "So this is what I got, and this is what I'm gonna do."

        I can't do much but I'm doing it.

        And nope! No traumas. My life's been fantastic apart from this illness.

        [–]1StinkyDiaper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Glad to hear that! It sounds like you just got an unlucky roll of the die, my friend. I wish you the best in finding help.

        [–]_sleepyparrot_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Question just for clarity: Does the red pill believe that women don't like men who show weakness/vulnerability at ALL, or all the time? Because the latter makes more sense to me.

        [–]1takethedive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The takeaway here is that women are happiest when a big strong oak tree of a leader is there to protect her and she believes that no matter what happens, he'll handle it. She doesn't have to believe you're flawless, or believe nothing will ever slow you down, but she HAS to believe that nothing will ever stop you. That you'll always find a way to overcome any challenge.

        Exposing weaknesses to her burdens her. It's a way of asking her to help carry some of the weight of a thing you're having trouble handling. And it plants a seed of doubt in her mind, because even if it's a perfectly reasonable time to seek comfort in her, you're subconsciously teaching her that you're the kind of man who will put some of the weight of his problems on her shoulders instead of keeping it firmly on yours. And then, at varying speeds, almost all women you put in this position repeatedly will begin to create distance from you even if they don't quite understand why.

        I know it sounds unfair, but the idea is to take the concept of never showing weakness and internalize that, because this is how it usually goes. We're all human. We have emotions. But don't seek comfort for the bad ones in women, as a rule.

        [–]1StinkyDiaper 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        AWALT exists on a spectrum. Honestly, you might want to find yourself a woman who was not born and/or raised in Western culture. Many countries out there still teach women to take on "traditional" roles in marriage, and to always stand by their man.

        [–]_sleepyparrot_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I've never had these sorts of problems, was just wondering about the theory. Thanks.

        [–]Pomandres 5 points6 points  (2 children)

        Yet no man ever wetted clay and then left it, as if there would be bricks by chance and Fortune; nor, having provided wool and leather, sat him down and prayed to Fortune that they might be made clothes and shoes for him; nor can any man, when he hath amassed together much gold and silver, and furnished himself with a multitude of slaves and attendants, and enclosed himself in a great palace with many gates, and set out costly couches and tables, fancy to himself that, if he have not wisdom with them, these things will be his happiness, and an undisturbed, blissful, and unchangeable life.

        -Plutarch

        [–]brugriff[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Out of the night that covers me,

        Black as the pit from pole to pole,

        I thank whatever gods may be

        For my unconquerable soul.

        In the fell clutch of circumstance

        I have not winced nor cried aloud.

        Under the bludgeonings of chance

        My head is bloody, but unbowed.

        Beyond this place of wrath and tears

        Looms but the Horror of the shade,

        And yet the menace of the years

        Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.

        It matters not how strait the gate,

        How charged with punishments the scroll,

        I am the master of my fate:

        I am the captain of my soul.

        • William Ernest Henry

        [–]Pomandres 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Perfect response, will is the best remedy to an unfavorable fate and fortune. There is much wisdom in your self post, thanks for the read.

        [–]ReluctantSlimeball 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        At 19 I was diagnosed with what Doctors variously termed Chronic fatigue syndrome/Fibromyalgia/Chronic Anxiety Disorder. With IBS thrown in for good measure.

        “ • If you manage to pull, you need to be on your A-Game at all times...”

        This is very true. If I drank alcohol I’d be a bloated and exhausted mess until the next weekend came around essentially living in a permanent state of illness. And socialising for a young Briton IS alcohol.

        It was a cruel paradox. You get well and fit in the hope of meeting people but fat and ill in the only places where that occurred. On the subject of paradoxes alcohol eased my anxiety but then as mentioned exacerbated my symptoms tenfold. How could I lift or run when barely had the energy and confidence to show up for work?

        Sometimes I like to look back and curse women for playing me, friendzoning me and just being shedevils who glory in manipulating nice guys only to worship at alpha bad boy cock. But that’s unfair to be honest. My anxiety, LSE and exhausted, bloated body did me far more harm than AWALT.

        If I’m gonna hate women I may as well hate most men who whilst hardly being privileged have an immune system and natural confidence level which gives them much more opportunities to play the game.

        Of course this was before the explosion of Tinder etc where you can ideally fuck without having to socialise in a traditional way.

        The major positive however is whilst the party seems to be over for some men im in my thirties and feel more 18 than I ever did at 18. This is partly because I live healthier through more exercise and less dairy, caffeine and alcohol and partly through stoicism and other positive self help from Strauss’ The Game to Tony Robbins to The Red Pill which has made me fearless with bouts of anxiety/LSE as opposed to anxious with bouts of confidence.

        I know enjoy things I never did as youngster. I give myself a break and stop beating myself up. Good moods now being the rule not the exception.

        All women really care about is “Does he rate himself?”

        If you’re not there then unfortunately it’s not a numbers Game. You will lose every time.

        The good news is if you do rate yourself then none of the superficial stuff that you thought mattered actually matters.

        [–]strikethrough123 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        To put it simply, Chad doesn't know that he's Chad. To him, he's just going through the motions. Female attention and sex is a regular thing for him to the point that he doesn't know any other way. It's like food and water.

        Not being Chad and knowing this shit gives you a magnificent high that you can live on for weeks when you're suddenly being treated like Chad from multiple females after you've put in some work on yourself.

        [–]Augustuscrassus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        They're usually the ones who just say shit like "just be yourself."

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Quality post. Few of these these days. Pretty inspiring actually. Good shit and keep it up.

        [–]Bandos15 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        She would not give emotional support after your mother tried to kill herself in front of you. How do these women justify this to theirselves? Their hamsters must be on steroids.

        [–]myaccount1243 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        if its a turn off to ask for emotional support, then who can you turn to?

        [–]Bandos15 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Family and good male friends is who i would try to turn to.

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        [–]brugriff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'll take a peak when I can. Can you summarize the routine quick so I know what to expect?

        [–]thefisherman1961 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        This is exactly why every man needs to have close male friends to turn to in times of emotional need when family is not around. male friends you trust are the shoulder to cry on, not a woman.

        OP temporarily lost sight of that fact and reverted to his false blue pill programming that women are equal to men and therefore can be the emotional rock for the man. well sure, that’s true, they can. but then they’ll also be sexually repulsed by you for it, which means they will never respect you.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (5 children)

        Unless you have some mental impairment that prevents you from cultivating a alpha mindset, you're good to proceed with TRP advice.

        "Chad" was an archetype we started using here to talk about THAT guy who's genetically gifted, to whom girls are naturally attracted. It was invented as a reminder that AWALT: yes your unicorn could leave you if the right guy comes along at the right time.

        "Chad" was never meant as a goal. TRP was founded on the understanding of intersexual dynamics, aka Game. Sure "lift" is advice #1 but as much to get you a strong masculine mindset as to look better. Sure if you can look like in the top 1% by all means do it and it'll help more than anything else you can do. But TRP should not be understood as becoming Chad.

        Understanding women. Controlling the frame. Abundance mentality. Don't show weakness. This is what TRP is about, and from your post, it seems you're on the right track.

        [–]aditya4mvp 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Understanding women. Controlling the frame. Abundance mentality. Don't show weakness. This is what TRP is about, and from your post, it seems you're on the right track.

        How does "Don't show weakness" work with Mark Manson's idea of "being vulnerable". From my understanding, isn't being vulnerable simply owning your 'weakness'?

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I'm not a fan of Mark Manson almost uniquely because of his concept of "vulnerability".

        What he meant by this was simply "to take risks". For instance, you must approach despite the anxiety, facing the very real possibility of soul-crushing rejection. In his words, you are "vulnerable" and must act despite your vulnerability. He later went on defining vulnerability as "setting boundaries" (I'm still not sure how he managed that).

        So he insists "vulernability" is not weakness. But why this word? He could have said "grow some balls", or "show courage in the face of fear" to talk about the same idea, so why did he insist on that anti-masculine word that is "vulnerability"?

        Answer: for the same reason as he titled his books "Models: Attract Women through Honesty" when everyone dabbling in Game knows very well that seduction is dishonest in the first place. He just wanted to position himself risk-free on the market of pick-up-advice by making it women-friendly. Be a gentleman! Be vulnerable! Be honest! You know, "just be yourself!"

        Models is full of good tips but it drips with purple pill. It wouldn't be a problem if it were not leading to misunderstanding like yours right now where you consider the possibility that "showing your weakness" is a valid approach to pick-up when your redpill teaching should teach you it's your enemy number one. Do not fucking show weakness. Everything that women are attracted to in men is Power, the complete opposite of weakness.

        The only ok way to show vulnerability is discussed by Roissy here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/vulnerability-game/ and as you'll read, it must be used when you already have strong attraction from her, be very very subtle in disclosing weakness, and you better know what you're doing.

        Check some more of Mark Manson's work: "trust women", "be vulnerable", "women shit-test very rarely", "find yourself a non-manipulative woman"... https://markmanson.net/manipulative-relationships

        This guy isn't red pill. Don't read his work. You'll get the same kind of very good advice by reading Roosh's "Bang", but in a blunt, uncompromising, red-pill style (as its title suggests).

        [–]aditya4mvp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thanks for clarifying, and the resources. I'm still not familiar with all the pills and theories. I'm coming from a seddit background and while I read and understand a fair amount of what is discussed here, I'm still trying to implement what is taught here while remaining authentic to myself, whatever that means in this context.

        [–]Augustuscrassus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Mark pisses me off sometimes as much as I love his writing because he is a chad. He's tall. Very good looking. Tats. He even talks in his book about how when he was a needy guy he still got laid.

        It's different for me, who is 5'10" and have a small bone structure. I have to put in 10 times the work he does. No complaints that's just how it is.

        He just gives advice when he could do anything and still get laid.

        [–]aditya4mvp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wow I didn't really think about it like that. The context and appearance of the author does play a role in this. The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck is still imo a healthy mental model to follow.

        [–]brettfromtibet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I healed myself of CFS. Before I couldn’t wash the dishes after making a meal. Now I can do 20 chin-ups on a good set. If you ever want to chat or trade notes, message me.

        [–]no_face 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        MGTOW exists for a reason. Focus your energies on other pursuits

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        No one is Chad

        I've seen some very hard men destroyed by PTSD. A hundred years ago the pangs of survival itself would pull men from that pit. The cure for "shell shock" was to get people shelled again--yeah, really. These days men are encouraged to wallow in their hell. You'll be fine, but you need to get yourself moving.

        [–]brugriff[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I've got a few pals who went into the Army and... Yeah. What they became afterwards is soul destroying. You never think it will happen to them. These guys are gods amongst men, hard as nails. Untouchable. And then you see them breakdown on Bonfire Night, huddled in a corner screaming.

        I'm doing my best not to wallow, and get moving as much as I can. TRP's been a Godsend for self motivation. Thanks.

        [–]Fun2badult 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Check out nick Vujicic

        This dude has no arms and no legs. However, he’s now a motivational speaker with a wife and kids. If this guy can do it, anyone literally can.

        This guy will make you seem like you’re barely disadvantaged. Please read up on him. Hope it gives you some motivation for life

        [–]hb8only 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        well, wanna hear the secret..? I have a few chad friends.. they do well with bitches BUT..

        ..BUT.. every time one of them really fall for a girl, like he really wants a girl, she is his type on 100% and so..

        ..it always backfire for him.. like she just tell him that he takes it very seriously and don't have time for meet with him then at all..

        so.. chads.. are fucking a lot.. (or can) BUT when girl sense that my Chad friend wants her a lot, she somehow lost interest..

        of course, if they know about TRP, it could be different...

        [–]GuitarHero07 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I think many imagine that a “Chad” could have any woman he wants in an LTR but it’s not always true. Many women will categorize Chad as the fun fuck boy but aren’t interested in a serious relationship with him. They are smart enough to realize that he doesn’t have enough beta traits to be good LTR material.

        I have a good friend who gets laid like a rock star. He can never hold down a steady job and is always a paycheck or two from being broke but he is that exciting, good looking guy that drives girls crazy. Banging girls has never been a problem but keeping a girl has always been difficult for him.

        While he has sex with a lot of sexy girls, few of them actually see him as relationship material. The ones who do date him don’t stick around. Many of the traits that make a Chad highly attractive for casual sex also make him a bad LTR candidate.

        Most of the guys who come here looking for advice have too many “beta” traits. So they look to compensate by turning the “alpha” up to 11. But if there is any interest in getting into LTRs, it helps to have some beta traits e.g. the ability to emotionally invest, a decent job etc.

        [–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        OP a little discussed point here is that women have physical problems too. And if they’re lucky enough to be married their husbands will take care of them (sometimes), but you can be a chad for women who have similar problems. CFS is more common with blacks and native Americans which means you have a unique opportunity. Don’t give up. Not everyone is able privileged.

        [–]brugriff[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

        [–]Scandinavianredpill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        try losing weight, get out of your depression and look into thyroid hormone replacement. alot of people get diagonsed with that diagnosis when things could have been done. Do you inflammation markers checked?. thyroid, T3. T4. reverse T3? testosterone? Prolactin (heightened can be a result of depression and brain chemistry inbalance). In short educate yourself about your body, I think there are things to be done in most cases.

        [–]Augustuscrassus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dude docs aren't going to put you on Test unless you're really low. I just had mine checked recently and its 430 ng/dl. That's normal for a 70 year old man; I'm 27. I've considered SSRIs but i'm almost certain my symptoms are low T related.

        For depression and anxiety I've tried exercise. Vit D. O3. Good sleep. Proper diet. Still no change.

        [–]aa223 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This post is more of a reason why we need to strive to improve ourselves and not take what we have for granted. Have you tried looking into stoicism? I think it may benefit you.

        In any case, thank you for a post like this. It is easy to live vicariously on other posters who post about how this stuff works and they get laid with 7's and 8's but at the end of the day we have flaws and we need something like this to sober us up.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        With frame the last thing on my mind I went to my girl for emotional support. .... She broke up with me the day after

        Sorry this happened. Sometimes it sucks to be proved right, OP.

        Many men have assumed "my problem is huge, therefore my girl will understand". The reality is that context is irrelevant. Any sign of weakness and she's gone - it doesn't matter how severe the problem. This includes serious illness and death of a close family member.

        Hypergamy is ruthless, and one of its faces is to pretend it doesn't exist.

        [–]Starfuckingman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Nice spirit there bro. Goddammit you're great enough for not giving up and entering an endless self pity spiral. Good job.

        [–]Cardonish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Very inspirational story. You have my respect. I truly mean that, and I pretty much agree with you on all the points. At the end of the day, we can hamster it away yeah, but sex is just like drugs, TV, video games, pursuit of money and power. It's all just dopamine before we die. It's up to the individual to do what the will with what they have been given.

        It takes a strong man to realize you blew it and just drop everything. That's a hurdle that I'm just now being able to actually do, and I've definitely seen better results than trying to salvage myself, but I'm still calibrating.

        Can I ask, how old are you?

        [–]banjew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Afterall, why would a woman be with someone so debilitated when she can CC and go from stud to stud?

        Because she has a SMV less than you? you are a 6, not a 0. Danny Devito fucks, so you too. Maybe not a 8 or 9, but guess what, I also can't.

        Why would she settle with a man who cannot provide a home and safety when she can marry a guy with money?

        You don't need to run to get money anymore.

        [–]CharlesX0l0 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Sorry I am going to shit on you and might be massively downvoted but fuck it, you need to hear it. I don't know if Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a real thing or not, but I will take your word for it and assume that there is something physically that stops you from going to the gym and getting a career.

        This makes me assume that you live with your parents(?) or with some other family member. This is bad, real bad. It is better, at least as a man to live in a shitty apartment out in nowhere than to depend on your parents for housing. If you are still living at home well into 20s it will severely affect your future as self-reliant. My first own living at 18 was with a bunch of drug dealers and criminals, not saying you should do that (you shouldn't) but it did make me work very hard for a better life.

        What do you do all day? Assuming you spend all day at home and not working and not lifting you must be doing something. Judging by some other comments you are playing video games, possibly the worst thing you could do. Why not start learning day trading on the stock market? You could learn to make money with a small investment growing it into something, BAM you're the provider. Learn to play chess and when you can handle that, learn to play Go. Learn languages online, read books, not at home but go to places; the park, the coffee shop or the library. Eventually you will start noticing other people that are also there reading and they will notice you too. Perhaps a cute girl is also into reading and is reading in the same coffee shop where you do, eventually you go up to her and ask her about her book and bam you are in.

        Fine, you won't be chad. But at least you can be a well read, skillful chess player that knows your way around some languages. That is more than most of us can.

        [–]brugriff[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Shitting on people is often a good way of giving someone a reality check. I respect that.

        You're right, I live with my family still. Luckily I live in a welfare state so I'm getting all my claims sorted. I'll have to see if I'm able to move out on what I get but I'm hopeful. Unless I get better there's no chance I can hold down a job so going on the sick and getting my blue badge and all that is my only option at the mo.

        In the day I'm either snoozing, watching my ferret play and tending to him from the comfort of my bed (I can't chase him around like he wants because that shit's tiring so I wrestle him when he comes to say hello and let the dog do the chasing), reading some BS novel or whatever's the popular conspiracy theory of the day, or enjoying some family time laid on the sofa while everyone else does their thing. Some days I feel well enough to go out and help with the shopping or other mundane shit to get out the house but after that I need to sleep and recover. Vidya's usually a few hours in the evening when I'm done for the day.

        My dad's a competant chess player and I get a game a day with him at least when I'm doing the family time thing, and I also read about it when my mind's not made of fudge and I can understand it all. The whole cognitive function thing is a real setback, because I can't do difficult mental tasks any more. Oh! And my memory is shot. It was near photographic at one point, my earliest memories are from before I could walk/talk, but now it's... Pretty bad. So data retention is a hurdle too.

        Language is something that I didn't think about, and now you've said it I see no reason not to try.

        Thanks, man.

        [–]Oscar_Cc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        About living at home, I can agree. It is comfortable but you kinda remain a child. Here in Spain it is very common, well into your thirties because the housing market sucks.

        Naturally it does not help to get laid. However some friends of mine manage to do it while still with their folks. YMMV.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I'm no doc, but I'd say something is broken in your head. And you need to fix that ASAP. You got stuck in a specific, unhealthy mental place and can't get out and you most likely don't even notice it.

        This reminds me of my dad in some way. He was a strong man, body builder as a young guy, worked as a nurse for decades, highly professional and so on. At some point his mom (my grandma) developed Alzheimers. Since he was a trained nurse, he took care of her herself. The emotional burden was so high, even as a man with decades of experience in that field, he couldn't do it anymore. He literally couldn't lift his mom out of her bad to take care of her. Imagine that: a strong, fit man could not lift a frail 80-90lbs women out of her bad anymore. Someone who lifted 200+lbs people for a living, the whole day.

        In other words: His mind was under so much pressure, his body simply stopped listening to him. Even though he continued to function otherwise, he simply could not help her anymore. His body literally stopped his movements.

        I'd assume your body does the same. Personally, I had very low energy episodes, too. Deep down, I know something is....wrong. Broken. I've yet to fix it. After a decade being stuck there, I can at least tell I'm more or less voluntarily stuck there. It's not my body that doesn't function, it's my mind that doesn't allow my body to work as it should. And it does that for reasons.

        This indeed does fuck with my body, too. But the main culprit is me not being able to move on. To be stuck in the past for some reasons I can not even articulate.

        'm not a medical expert or anything, so take it with a grain of salt. But I'd say something unhinged in your head in a very unhealthy way and you need to figure out what it is and get it back in place ASAP. Being ok with that is wrong.

        You are what you are right now and that is how it is. But your body most likely isn't broken. It's your subconscious mind. It prevents you from interacting with the world for some reason. It drains all your energy. You are a dead man walking. You are a prisoner of your own mind instead of a free man. That is not ok.

        The only big problem is how to even realize what is holding you back, what kind of constrains you are in. You can't fight invisible chains.

        This is a question of understating yourself. Of being closely connected with your body and my. Maybe you should start meditation or something. It's not without side-effects, but it might help. I'd say you need a biiiig step to get out of that shitshow again. In the same way you just...collapsed for no reason. This might be dangerous, I don't know. It's up to you.

        Meditation got me to the point where I know what is wrong, deep down in my stomach. I just have to do "it", whatever that might be. It will fix itself in my case, if I only allowed it to happen. Took me years of work though to get to that point.

        Best of luck bro!

        [–]Ezaar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I’d also suggest a therapist as well.

        [–]needaparka 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Have you gotten your test levels checked? Tried drugs to counteract chronic fatigue?

        Just because it has a name and is somewhat medically accepted does NOT mean it's insurmountable.

        [–]brugriff[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        All my hormone levels are normal. Only blip I had was my liver function was on the lower end of the spectrum but still within the normal range. Testosterone was fine.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Read up on it and try a moderate test cycle imo. Might compensate and bring your energy closer to normal

        [–]PeggedByOwlette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Have you ever tried a cycle of testosterone?

        [–]Martel_732_Tours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What is your diet/supplementation regime like? Have you had hormonal panels taken?

        [–]NarcKammerjaeger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I can recommend vitamin c in high doses, rhodiola rosea, erythroxylum coca, Plenty of sun and no fake sugar gluten milk.

        Take care.

        [–]Ananonguy88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Even more. You should not aim to be chad as it is some fictional abstract figure created by us to discuss TRP concepts.

        There are as many kinds and types of high SMV value man as many personalities there are. You can be emotional, passionate lover adored by women without matching stereotypical "alpha chad". The frame and confidence is the only unchanging thing about it all.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I had thyroid cancer when I was 16. The one thing I hated the most was pity. I can give you my sympathy though, I hope the party you walk gives you happiness in it's own way.

        Keep at it brother.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Good post man. Focus on yourself and just try to better yourself any way you can each day. If TRP has taught me anything it is that women are not as important as society would lead us to believe. If you have the money and feel like being in a woman's company, hookers are always a viable option.

        [–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Dude, you can do pretty well not being chad.

        [–]MasterPublishing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Amazing post my man, if I could shake your hand and tell you thanks for the post I would.

        [–]SoulRedemption 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        A fresh post. Thanks for sharing the insight and experience. This helps put things into perspective for some of us. You seem to have a good handle on things. Ace your life.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Bro go into IT, regardless of age you can make really good money and it takes very little physical effort. Life is only limited to how much you want out of it.

        [–]RedwallAllratuRatbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You need to be on top of your game to do this. OP could as most work as shop assistant, assuming he would sit 90% of the time.

        [–]NevrEndr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Have you researched Modafinil to help with your CFS?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Please write more about your Chronic Fatigue Syndrom and the methods you tried to fight it, I might have an idea

        [–]punkrockfishboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This thread is for me and I'm glad I'm not alone.

        Me: I'm 30 years old. Only got laid twice in my life, (but I don't care about that as the past is the past and you can't change it.) Had some mental health and developmental issues. The old me used to whine and bitch. The old me used to hope for someone to come around. The old me used to get angry when rejected. The old me is dead now, and I'm working on the new me. I'm glad I found TRP and not to just get women, but to improve myself as a man.

        As for being lazy, I'm kind of on the same page as you OP. I work a full time job, earning 29k a year with nothing to show for it. I'm just debt free right now. I could have brain fog. No creative entrepreneurial ideas or any clue on making more money. So, I just work on things that I know I can work on. Lifting and doing core exercises. My trainer at the gym also helps me.

        What I found by lifting, is the next day, I've noticed getting more attention. (effect of testosterone?)

        I live in this world alone. My mom died when I was 3, so I don't know what it's like to use a mom as a financial resource or emotional support. Seeing that I'm still alive, it didn't feel like I didn't really need it. Sure, I got depressed in the past, but now I know depression comes from negative thoughts, but I had more of those because I didn't lift. Sure I won't be chad. Maybe I won't be ripped. Maybe I won't be rich, but I'll be better than I used to be thanks to TRP. Just whatever you do, don't let fear hold you back. Always take a chance.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Yo OP, I got diagnosed with that after years of trying anti-depressants and stimulants which did fuck all but in hindsight make me hate my doctor.

        Ultimately I went down a pathway called 'nutrigenomics'. My new doctor who has a background in nutrition, got me off wheat and dairy, then took some blood tests and found I was deficient in pretty much everything. He got me on zinc, magnesium, omega 3's, probiotics and vitamin D.

        It's expensive, all of my spare income was devoted to it, but now I feel like a rockstar and have a healthy contempt for the soyboy western diet.

        10/10 recommend it before you consider nootropics or medication.

        [–]Augustuscrassus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        What's wrong with wheat and milk? How the hell do you get carbs?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well, according to my Doctor and Nutritionist humans don't properly break down the proteins in either wheat or milk. The proteins just float around and your immune system deals with it. Some people tolerate it fine, some people it can really fuck them up over the long term.

        I get my carbs from sweet potato or pumpkin mainly. And for snacks I'll have some quick carbs like an apple or a banana with a bit of protein to slow down the absorption.

        [–]EverythingIsFractal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Jog around the block, add a lap each day. Eventually you will adapt and your body will increase energy and testosterone to adapt.

        [–]rest_me123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wait, what are those golden rules for female interaction?

        [–]WiiWynn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I’m sorry you had to go through that brother. I’ve had a similar experience, except it was with my wife and my son was involved.

        Don’t blame women. You may want to protect yourself with AWALT, but that girl you were with was a POS. Improve yourself so that you attract higher quality women.

        [–]Hapaclapious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm glad you understand this subreddit isn't just for picking up chicks, but used as a "toolbox" for self improvement. Keep your head up man

        [–]zwidmer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Fuck that! I am tired all the time, docs trying to figure out what is wrong with me. I have zero muscles. I fought so hard for everything I have and it feels so fucking good. I have the best supportive girlfriend and the best life behind me. No I don't have the energy to be the person I wanted to be. Fuck if I even manage to get out of bed without the agony! But I will never stop trying! If you feel like you never can be Chad, then remember that I, with zero everything, acne ridden face, have managed so much just because I never ever stop. So to you my friend: fuck you. Try again.

        [–]Crazyjungl3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So you can never get emotional , you gotta have 24/7 frame or she brokes up with you? I hope not all american women are like that! damn

        [–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just get on roids and HGH my guy. Nothing some Tren can't fix. I'm normally against the use of roids for young guys, but if you have a medical condition, I think it's appropriate.

        [–]tudor07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Theodore’s father, known to his family as “Great Heart” was a vigorous athletic outdoorsman who was disappointed that his son was not able to regularly participate in athletics and outdoor activities. Theodore’s father may have feared that the asthma would overwhelm his son and cut his life short. One day when Theodore was twelve, his father told him, “Theodore, you have the mind but you have not the body, and without the help of the body, the mind cannot go as far as it should. I am giving you the tools, but it is up to you to make your body.” Theodore replied, “I will make my body!”

        You can do it too.

        [–]Sumsar01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        There is always a level at which you can lift. Mark Rippetoe had a 90 year old with a kain starting barbell training. You just have to start somwhere. And the improvement it cause to your CNS might help your syntoms.

        [–]themindisamirror 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Honestly I mostly just lurk this subreddit. But the core things I take from reading is just focusing on y your own shit and moving forward rather than chasing love all the time. This is what I've been doing and God damn I love the freedom of being single.....a women got to be AMAZING. So in conclusion you've got a point that it's more than just women.

        [–]binarynightmare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wow, very sincere post my dude. Would be nice to see more of these around here instead of all the self asserting nonsense by noobs. Anyways, do you have any redpill/alpha heroes you look up to, ones that you could get inspiration from who aren't necessarily hollywood muscle monsters? Someone like Elon Musk comes to mind.

        [–]Trooper_1868 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This really amazes me. When we have a post as good as this one, most of the people who commented are really interested in you and want to help figure out what you can do. Community really comes together. We need more good quality posts like this.

        [–]-firemelon- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        OP DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE GUYS TALKING ABOUT STIMULANTS and micro-dosing lsd.

        [–]mrbfs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I would try and seek an expert in the field but this is what I could gather of something that may be helpful to know when you talk to your doctor.

        From Wikipedia: There is some preliminary evidence that the immunomodulatory medication rintatolimod improves exercise capacity, as well as cognitive function and quality of life, based on two trials.[5][99][100] The US FDA has repeatedly denied commercial approval, citing numerous deficiencies in both trials, and concluding that the available evidence is insufficient to demonstrate its safety or efficacy in CFS.[13][101]

        [–]Thunderfin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        > Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

        So similar to Mono or nah? Have never heard of it.

        [–]dontbethatguynow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        i have a paraplegic friend, got in a motorcycle accident. Ended up dating the nurse that took care of him at the hospital, they just got married. And no, he didn't get a lot of money from the settlement. You may have it rough, but someone always has it worse.

        [–]Velebit 0 points1 point  (7 children)

        Im also screwed up, dunno who got it worse. I don't think the right mentality is to just look at yourself as a bad deal. I know plenty of war vets and various disabled people whose wives stayed with them, cherish them and love them.

        I dont think it's a coincidence that she left you after you showed that you are not made of stone but those kinds of women are garbage. She probably thought you were strong for handling your shit so well and than that fell into water because she is weak herself and looked up to your mental power. When she realized oh shit, energy is not going to me and me alone, I have to give some positive energy back to him. She as a narcissistic whore ended the relationship.

        Human relationship is based on oxytocin, hormone of love. It creates loyalty. She had none. Relationships are not trade deals and it's who offers more, that is a "rational, male" approach to it. Not even true considering what kind of garbage quality men tolerate from disgusting women. So you can take it for granted that not even calculating "rational" men make trade deals.

        Lose the self pitty and the sense of inferiority you hide under.

        Im not a chad either but I am tall, got great hair, big dick and IQ that dwarfs 99% of population. Cunts can lift their own fucking bags.

        [–]Jake_le_Dog 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You still have too much hope for women, mate. It's all about variables, albeit unknown to you. One changed variable will have a significant effect, another will have none.

        Don't think one's a bitch and the other isn't, because it's not like that. Women, like all people differ. So not all of them react the same way to one thing. BUT their psychology is the same, so they will all have that certain reaction to something. That is AWALT.

        [–]Velebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        saying all members of a particular sex are the same is collectivism and anti-evolutionary

        evolution is fact and human biodiversity is too

        people who are high on conscience trait will inherently be more loyal and trustworthy than those who ain't and they are born that way

        choleric temperament people are born with more combative and dramatic biology than those who are phlegmatic

        simple people like simple explenations but life is anything but simple or easy to understand

        cognitive bias is a bitch

        [–]FromTheFarSouth 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        I am tall, got great hair, big dick and IQ that dwarfs 99% of population.

        Why do you consider yourself to be "screwed up" despite having high-SMV characteristics?

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