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Red Pill TheoryNever compare your sex life with a girl's sex life (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by abbafishhead

For those of us who have fuck buddies or even girlfriends who talk about their sexual past (gasp), I bet that we all get a sinking, depressing feeling whenever we hear them recount their sexual experiences, e.g. their n-count, their sexcapades, what they did with whom, etc. etc. It's not per se that we're jealous that they did it with someone other than us; it's that we compare their experiences to our own, and then realize how "behind" or "inexperienced" we are. In fact, you'll even start hating women for how easy it is for them to get laid compared to us.

Never ever do this to yourself.

First, things are different for women; if you're a sexless male, you know how thirsty men are, and the extents that we'll go just to get some poon. Getting sex is UNBELIEVABLY EASY for even fat/ugly girls. There's just no comparison. It ain't even the same fucking sport. That's how lop-sided the sexual marketplace is.

Second, men tend to peak towards their 30s, while women experience a decline towards their late 20s. When they're disillusioned by the Cock Carousel, being pumped and dumped for the umpteenth time, and feel the societal/biological pressures to settle down and get married before it's too late, we're only beginning to come into form. If you compare yourself to a girl who's of the same age, you're literally comparing different stages of life, like comparing a college student to a kindergartener.

Third, women simply don't see sex as an achievement or something to be proud of. In fact, they're rather ashamed of themselves if they have a high n-count, because they're extremely aware that they're always the gatekeepers of sex, and a high n-count reflects nothing except that she has poor standards. They also often undercount their n-counts, because, "Oh, I was drunk, so it doesn't count. And then there was that other time, but it doesn't count, because it sucked." And so on and so forth. Remember, your n-count can only get higher, even if it's still zero. And hers will never get lower. Be thankful because a high n-count is generally good for your self-esteem as a male; it works in reverse for a female.

My personal experience

I remember about four years back when I met my fuck buddy, and we talked about our sexual history. I was so ashamed, because she was my n=3, while she was younger and already at n>20. She told me these wonderful stories about threesomes, hookups, swinging, all the ethnicities she "tried," all the locations of her daring sexcapades, orgies/parties, etc., and I'd feel so left out and inferior and useless. I kept comparing myself to her, and, when she was seeing more action than me in our open LTR, I became deeply contemptuous of her.

It wasn't until later that I fine-tuned my game and started seeing some REAL results (last week alone, I added 4 to my n-count, all Tinder hookups -- I was getting laid at the frequency of a girl) that I realized that I had it better. Fast forward 4 years, she's now 27, still alone, jaded with a thousand-cock stare, wrinkles starting to appear, putting on weight, etc., and, most sadly, scrambling around, dredging the bottom of the barrel for a beta provider before she looks too haggard for even the Betas to accept her, while I'm the leanest AND buffest I've ever been, and I'm having all the sex I can handle. I haven't masturbated in a super-long time. Right now, I don't even compare myself anymore -- I'm way beyond that. It's no longer an insecurity of mine, because I worked hard to raise my SMV and put myself in the field to meet women and close on them, and I've achieved everything in my sexual bucket list (quantity, quality, breadth of experiences), and I'm damn proud of it.

Always remember -- while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment. And their high n-counts are something that they have to carry around as a badge of shame, as a reminder of what loose, standardless sluts they once were. It's something they have to make peace with, once the dust settles and the fun and games end, and they realize that their high n-counts are just evidence of their inability to secure commitment from a whole string of men who saw them as nothing but cum buckets. There's really no reason to envy a girl for her sex life, because she'll deal with the consequences of her debauchery come post-wall, where her slutty past will haunt her.

Oh wait...


[–]Petrarch1603 78 points79 points  (15 children)

I will also add that when I had game down to a science, sex got boring. One month I had 20 different hot women, sounds great right? Wrong. It is a fucking hustle. It takes a herculean amount of stamina just to keep up with all the shit-tests, subtle games and avoiding the manipulation. I have no desire to go back to that.

For now I just have a couple of plates that I meet up with on the weekends. I am much happier doing my hobbies, hanging out with my bros tinkering with engines and whatnot and playing video games.

Maybe I'm just older now, but sex is pretty empty. Its great when its happening, but there are much more fulfilling things in this world.

[–]squidracer 40 points41 points  (10 children)

It's way to much work dating multiple girls.. I did it this summer and quickly realized I wasn't getting anything else done

[–]ihavecandygetinmyvan 20 points21 points  (4 children)

They snoop like detectives too once they start getting attached.

[–]squidracer 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Fucking stupid Facebook.. I swear that site is nothing more then a boyfriend tracker

[–]rubenbrasil 9 points10 points  (0 children)

delete it or make it private. dont accept suspicious friend requests from fake accounts. make your IG private. dont accept suspicious IG accounts.

[–]Natural_RP 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Why are you dating and not plating?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I don't even know what "plating" means.

I mean sure, I could learn. It's probably in the sidebar. But the way some of you guys toss around this jargon like it's gospel makes me cringe.

[–]Natural_RP 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It's TRP speak for "just fucking." Women these days are actually stupid enough to believe this is "dating."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

sounds great right? Wrong. It is a fucking hustle. It takes a herculean amount of stamina just to keep up with all the shit-tests,

This is how I know you are legit, friend.

[–]Nikelu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so true. Now went of the lone wolf way again and focusing solely on my career but I was spinning 5-6 plates and it requires so much energy. 2-3 are great but more it's just horrible and straining

[–]dissentforall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found that juggling/plating 5 to be the sweet spot and would rotate accordingly or replace if they got feels or got flakey.

Any more than that and theres no way I could swing it while working 50hrs+ a week and 5 long sessions in the gym.

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (3 children)

Sex is cheap, commitment is expensive.

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    [–]vagbutters 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Bingo. Beta males have no self-respect and are willing to sell their commitment to used up sluts for pennies on the dollar

    [–]Ivetakenthepill 268 points269 points  (61 children)

    What is that saying... a key that opens many locks is a valuable key, but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock.

    It's good to have this perspective. A woman simply needs to exist in order to get laid frequently, there's nothing impressive about it. And just as it always has been, the men are the ones putting in the time and effort.

    [–]CrodudeClassic 120 points121 points  (1 child)

    Another spin on this I've heard: A good commander can breach the walls of many fortresses. A shitty fortress is easily conquered by shitty commanders.

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    sometimes the door is open. Or there's just a small admission fee...

    [–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (5 children)

    The skilled archer masters his craft through a combination of talent, technique and hours of practice. The target just has to be there. The bigger the bullseye on the target, the less skill required to hit it and more arrows can fit into the bullseye. The only thing women who brag about their "sexual conquests" have done is increase their bullseyes to the size of a hula hoop.

    [–]dear_glob_why 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    I'd probably still miss. Can I use my rifle instead?

    [–]BluestBlackBalls 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    12 gauge brah, 5 feet away

    [–]PinkySlayer 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    FIX BAYONETS! CHAAAAARRRGGGGEEEE

    [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

    For you it's an unbelievable stroke of luck; for her it's Wednesday.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (21 children)

    A woman simply needs to exist in order to get laid frequently

    It isn't as easy as you'd think for a woman who is attractive to get laid by a guy who is attractive as her. I've witnessed over and over attractive girls who occasionally "just need to get fucked" who cannot for the life of them find an attractive, confident guy on Tinder or what not who will stop making excuses and come the fuck over and pull the trigger. It's mind-boggling. Don't project your own alphaness onto the rest of the male population. It's a sea of beta out there.

    [–]Natural_RP 17 points18 points  (16 children)

    LOLZ. Can't believe this got upvoted. If she can't get a guy to come over and fuck her she ISN'T attractive. Full stop.

    Now if she is trying to bat out of her league and can't get one of those top 5% or 10% of men to come over well that's her problem. That guy is just busy with hotter chicks.

    Pickup culture has resulted in women thinking they are more attractive than they actually are and therefore they think they deserve one of the top 10%, just because a few of those guys decided fucking her that night at the bar would be better than jerking off.

    Come on man this is basic stuff 80/20 rule, it's in the sidebar.

    [–]vagbutters 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    You can tell overweight feminists are brigading threads as of late, inserting feminized opinions in as a way to dismantle the sub.

    [–]Natural_RP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. This "dude" is a joke.

    [–]IvankasBabyDaddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    therefore they think they deserve one of the top 10%, just because a few of those guys decided fucking her that night at the bar would be better than jerking off.

    This is spot on. I lost a plate to this big ghetto Chad, and the girl immediately took the attitude of "I'm out of your league." Not gonna lie it stung at first until I realized how ridiculously naive that is.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children)

    If she can't get a guy to come over and fuck her she ISN'T attractive.

    You didn't read what I said. I said an attractive female often finds it hard to find an EQUALLY attractive male to fuck. Oftentimes that male is not available, already has plenty of his own sexual options, and the only ones scrambling for sex on tinder are ugly, beta losers.

    I know the 80/20 rule and have profited from it immensely in my personal sexual life. It applies to men, not women. I have attractive female friends and I'm telling you that oftentimes they have shit for options when it comes to ATTRACTIVE, ALPHA males.

    [–]Natural_RP 6 points7 points  (10 children)

    Sigh. We are basically saying them same thing but not quite. You're saying that they can't get the attractive alpha males they deserve.

    I am saying they can't get the attractive alpha males they want because they don't deserve it, as in they are not hot enough.

    There is no actual 8, 9 or 10 That ever has a problem getting sex from those men that are 8s 9s and 10s. If they can't they aren't that fucking hot and those Alphas are as you said having sex with hotter options.

    You are clearly overestimating their attractiveness as are they. Most (around 95%) women and men mathematically fall in the 3-7 range.

    [–]Duchenne4089 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He's saying that there are a lot of girls wanting to get fucked by Chads and the few Chads out there don't have the time to fuck all of them.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    I'm talking about a solid 8 or a 9 looking for a solid 8 or a 9 guy. I'm not saying they can't find a guy within the span of a month or something. I'm saying that sex with attractive males isn't full blown ON TAP for women the way TRP seems to think it is. I know this absolutely from first hand, having a close female friend who, when dolled up, is unquestionably stunning. She cannot just hop on tinder and find a hot guy to bang that night. It's not that stupid easy for them to fine someone who is 1. hot. 2. alpha 3. not already banging some other chick.

    [–]Mostlyright91 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    I think you're wrong and a give away that you are wrong is that you are friends with a "unquestionably stunning" girl.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    That you think I'm wrong isn't very interesting. Why does being friends with an attractive female mean I'm wrong about sexual strategy? TRP has discussed the merits of having attractive female friends.

    [–]theONE843663 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Have you at least tried to fuck her tho? There is the difference.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Nope. She was my neighbor and then roommate for 2 years so I didn't go that route. Not wise. Have been laid probably 150 times from girls I met through her though. Female friends > Tinder.

    [–]Natural_RP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Holy shit. First of all it's clear "your friend" isn't even a 8, just the typical 6 or 7 that thinks because she looks better all dolled up means she is a 8 or 9, which as I said before are actually super rare.

    Think about how stupid you statement is. You're saying something like: "Margot Robbie can just NOT find a hot alpha guy to fuck her. She just can't!"

    If you said that shit to anyone it would sound ridiculous because it is and she is only an 8. But since it's "your friend" suddenly I am just not getting how reality works. Man you're clueless.

    Really all the hot alpha dudes are fucking numerous girls. If she was hot enough she might be able to secure commitment from one but like I said she isn't. That's the other part of problem with this 80/20 bullshit women have going on. It sucks for the 80 percent of men who aren't getting laid but it still sucks for the 80 percent of women that are.

    This is because if you're in the 20% and getting all this pussy you have literally zero reason to settle down unless you desire children. But hey women did that to themselves.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I didn't say she can't find a hot guy within the span of a week or a month. I said that oftentimes it takes longer than you'd think for an attractive girl to find an attractive and alpha male.

    It's a totally regular occurrence that an attractive woman cannot find an attractive, alpha male to hook up with within the span of a couple days. I think you're overestimating how many attractive alpha males there are, especially only a mid to a small sized city. It's not like there's an attractive alpha male on every street corner looking for ass.

    [–]bowie747 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    Truly. All I see these days is bored girls walking the streets at night in pairs or triplets, going from one bar to the next hoping some guys will have the balls to make a move.

    At TRP we give a lot of shit to modern women for being attention-addicted whores, but IMO the modern man is far worse. He is lazy, out of shape, poor and powerless. Women are merely reacting to this.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Women are merely reacting to this by having "N+20" counts? How is this a reaction to the male population being bad. Don't fall for the "everything depends on men" meme. Every human being is responsibly for it's own sexual performance.

    [–]bowie747 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Well, yes. It's conceivable that +20 girls are trying to become more powerful because their counterparts are so weak. More importantly remember that many of these girls have been raised by weak, weak men. We're about 3 generations deep into BP men.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It doesn't have to be your own fault to be your own responsibility. I was raised by a single mother with no fault of my own and I still had to pay the price to set myself straight and Alpha up after the shit upbringing I've had.

    Women have a choice to be who they want to be. You are putting all responsibility on a man like some SJW. Don't do this man, for your own sake. Understand that women have the same burden of performance as we do. But theirs is a passive thing.

    Women who have a high N-count often suffer from mental failures or physical genetic deficiencies (being fat) and they look to fill that hole by having all their holes filled. This reduces their value, no matter whom was to blame.

    No one is at fault for being born the way they were and by which parents, we still inherited the responsibility to survive though. Sluts are bad survivors just like Betas.

    [–]frerri 36 points37 points  (3 children)

    The timing with this post in my life was sick. Thanks alot man, just what I needed to read now.

    [–]grewapair 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    Then you won't want to think about the value of free drinks, free dinners, tickets and so on that a girl can rack up in a year. I had one ex friend who was easily racking up 10 grand in the year I knew her.

    She didn't really like men, just food. She was a broke student, so she went out with 5 different guys every week, and never saw them again, unless they had really shelled out on the first date (upwards of $400 for the two of them), in which case, she'd go out one more time.

    [–]frerri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That's easier to handle though. I see her just playing him and as I never spend money on girls this one just makes me laugh. She doesn't even take the dick? Poor guys.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Women make a living from their pussy alone. And not just a standard living. I am talking 6 figure "I party with celebrities every weekend" type of income.

    It's fucking mind boggling.

    [–]xsquivelx 30 points31 points  (4 children)

    Assuming their not straight up fugly, most girls I know have to put in conscious effort to NOT get laid. Theres always at least one (if not more) dudes that will hit on them when they go out.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    I think this is more a matter of them filtering down 2000 men into 20 but okay. I've given up long ago trying to figure out which ones the slut and which one isn't.

    They give me a fake promise of an intact hymen, I give them a fake promise of heart meant commitment.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    That's it. Many girls think dating is hard.

    Not cause they can't get one. What's hard is screening out those 2000 guys for the 2 that may be worth it BEFORE the next 2000 decide to hit you up.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    To bad they aren't good at screening to, girls just let guys come and go. But not 2000, simply the best 20 of those 2000. She's a picky slut is all.

    [–]squidracer 30 points31 points  (3 children)

    When I broke up with my ex I remember being a smart ass and told her, "relax, it's easy for you skinny blondes to get laid".

    Her: " I don't want to just get laid, I want a bf"

    I just looked at her and said, " well that's what makes life so interesting "

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    She spoke the truth tho, she wanted a bf for attention and access. Women who ride the cock carousel are just broken and constantly look for newer ways to feel validated. Sex is just a small part of why they do it.

    [–]squidracer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    She was actually pretty smart when it came to things like that. She didn't grow up as an entitled princess

    [–]muh_posts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Her: " I don't want to just get laid, I want a bf"

    That's her ASD. Don't listen to what a woman says, watch what she does. She didn't want to appear a slut to you.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 118 points119 points  (10 children)

    There is nothing wrong with making the comparison as long as it is apples to apples. Go on Tinder set your preference to men and see how much dick wants to get inside you.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 57 points58 points  (6 children)

    I thought your username had something to do with steroids. Well.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 60 points61 points  (5 children)

    I'm comming out with my own brand of personal lubricant and I'm trying to increase demand before my launch date.

    [–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

    Dbol illegal, pot now legal. Estrogen conspiracy?

    [–]kingkumquat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Let me know so I can buy a few tubes

    [–]FJHUAI 27 points28 points  (1 child)

    Man, if OP says this anywhere ELSE on reddit and he'll get down voted to oblivion.

    This is why I love TRP. No fucking nonsense about "women are the same sexually" and "women can't just get sex by spreading their legs guize"!

    [–]vagbutters 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    A lot of people hold these opinions, increasingly so in recent times thanks to the attack on the SJW/feminized world. It's just a matter of time before people speak more openly about these things. Slut shaming will come back strong in due time. No one wants to wife a gross woman who's had her pussy pounded more than artisan dough.

    [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Back in my bluepill days I used to have a female friend who was relatively chill but still showed signs of AWALT. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to get in her pants at some point, but she's recently gained some weight and frankly repulses me now that I've internalized redpill material.

    Anyways, back in the day she told a story about how she hooked up with some dude at a party and deep down I got angry about how easy it sounded. I decided that this girl was chill and she was being open about her sexuality so I thought I could get her to admit that getting laid was easier for women than it is men.

    I told her that she could walk up to almost any single guy in a party and leave with him within minutes and she at least somewhat acknowledged that fact. When I told her that the same wasn't true for guys she refused to believe it and started getting hostile and extremely defensive. I didn't back down and got my other friend in the room to completely call her out on her bullshit and she threw a fit and left.

    Girls either genuinely cannot empathize with the male reality or they simply refuse to. Sadly I think it's the latter.

    [–]mnemos_1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like the two of you caffeinated her hamster with realz so hard it blew a gasket.

    [–]Returnofthemack3 35 points36 points  (38 children)

    I honestly dont, because I realize how fucking easy it is for them to get laid. It's not even the same game for them. Why on earth would it bother you?

    [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (33 children)

    My cousin is 40. She looks early 30s and behaves like a teenager (fucked up childhood, I'm not holding it against her that she never managed to get over it). She went to Madrid last month and had, in 10 days, 21 dates, with attractive men (I take her word, I've seen her boyfriends and ex-husband). That's a 40 years old, go figure.

    [–]LAERAYALP 27 points28 points  (25 children)

    Was just gonna say that women will also have sex with different guys same day lol. I am sure ive been the victim of this. Where is that magical place where women's average is 9 guys. I am on verge of MGTOW I constantly see women's ho-liness in everything. I don't know how guys overcome these feelings, you either hypnotize your self or you lie to your self that you're OK with this hyperho shit.

    [–]smokecheck1976 18 points19 points  (4 children)

    What? You haven't managed to hook that up? My personal best was having sex with one woman early in the night, going to the club, hooking up with another woman, then going back for round 2 with the first woman. Don't get me wrong, I'm not certain I could pull that off now, but back in the day...

    As to most women having a low count, yes, because the outlier does not make the rule. For every woman that has had more than ten men, there are a dozen women that never had more than two or three.

    [–]Natural_RP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yep not that hard. I've had quite a few hat tricks when I wanted them. I mean it's easier when you tap a plate or two but it can be done.

    [–]frerri 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    Can confirm. Met two Australian sisters when traveling in Asia who were both early 20's. Both of them had boyfriends back in Australia. But while traveling with their family he younger sister (who fucked my friend) told me that her older sister had fucked around 9 different guys in 4 days. The night they came to our hotel room they had alrrady been to two others same evening. I almost puke thinking that my friends fucked one each.

    Al while their mother was sleeping in the hotel room thinking her daughters were sleeping next to her.

    How fucked up is that!

    [–]jazerac 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    This is such a fucked up world

    [–]LAERAYALP 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    The op is right you can't compare, but.. that just makes it worse. Women like to go on fuck spree's, usually get drunk, half way thru the process they get drugged and ran trains on. Your little angel mite of got Trained worse than in one of those kinky pornos right out of highschool with her best friend on a little vacation in a beach town. As a man you have to be a Hugh Hefner to pull that kind of shit, and that's an old school little game that women have been playing even before pick up days. If all of the women were magically unlocked to me I wouldn't even give a flying drip of a fuck, to put my dick in their hole. Just having a little abundance of pussy is enough to calm down, that could even just be one decent pussy. Women are dick accumulators, it makes them feel bad but they won't stop.. will they?

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    The worst part is how these girls just keep one upping themselves. First it's a high N-count, then it's multiple guys a day, then a gangbang all the way until they are role playing some violent rape scene in a porn flick.

    It's sickening and honestly the only guys I know whom are in relationships are those who fool themselves that this isn't going on. I have friends who are red pilled and they seriously still believe that women aren't like that.

    No normal man on earth could pull the sex stuff a girl does.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    My only question is, why on earth do these girls have boyfriends. It's perfectly fine if they want to slut it up and ruin themselves. But women seem to make a sport of living a double life. Big town hoe when out of time, virtuous girlfriend when she's back.

    [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Why? Betabux financial and emotional security.

    Come on now, lads. You know this stuff already.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    It must suck to be tied to someone you only use for financial and emotional security. Why can't they find a guy who's that and attractive to them?

    You see what I'm getting at? It's still not an answer. The answer would be that she's incapable of finding a better man because she herself isn't that good looking. Or perhaps she's emotionally insecure in maintaining a relationship with a man she actually finds attractive.

    Women compartmentalize allot of things. It might be in her nature to look for the best suited mate AF/BB. But she will always prioritize trying the AF over the BB. The latter remains a last resort. If you find a girl cheating all the time on her BB. Then that guy is a last resort. Which speaks volumes about the girl herself.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (10 children)

    I get what your saying. They take it to the extreme. Hell they even do shit I wouldn't do. Just reading this post makes me sick all over again. Guys pretend they are okay with this. But there's no way they'd be knowingly okay with the idea of their own girlfriend being a slut.

    The worst part is that most of them fucking suck. Their ugly, fat or average looking. Low value degenerate as can get. Girls whom are not even a catch and still they get it on with every guy.

    There's simply no point in having an honest relationship. I once dated a girl that acted like a good girl. Total borderline case, worst experience of my life. Not even that hot. I believe her. Sudden fight breaks out and she unloads some crazy kinky shit she'd done. Months pass by after the break up and I get flashbacks of all the red flags. I realize this girl was a total whore but I will never know how bad. Now she's dating another guy just like me. Doing the same stuff to him. I can only imagine how many times she's cheated.

    The worst part is that every guy she dates is still technically out of her league. But she won't open up to them out of fear of being abandoned. Having sex with strangers and fuck buddies is much safer. She's rather be a whore than sexually attracted to her actual boyfriend.

    It boggles my mind why women do this and why guys are okay with this. The moment I found out I leg'd it out of there. She tried coming back for a second round and I declined. Am I the only one who's not okay with this?

    [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (9 children)

    Guys pretend they are okay with this. But there's no way they'd be knowingly okay with the idea of their own girlfriend being a slut.

    These guys aren't. The problem guys have such a HARD time finding girls to have sex with that they will stick with whores. This happens all the time. People here can call them beta or whatever. But high profile guys do the exact same thing. You have rappers, pro football players, ect.. willing to forgive that their girlfriends slept with someone because they think she is the best piece of ass they will ever have. Not to mention some whores do have other shit going on. They may be a top member of the committee of a non profit organization or something, but sleep around. Guys think women like that are hard to come by so they stick it out. And this is the WORSE thing to do.

    Deep down inside, if you're in a relationship, you will know if your girlfriend is cheating on you. The signs are all there. Most guys that complain about their girlfriends or wives acting funny, weird or distant lately know exactly whats going on. They just refuse to believe it and ride it out until they have hard core evidence. They do this because they don't want to lose the one women they put so much time and effort. Women on the other hand, they have guys lined up. Look at your girlfriends instagram followers and facebook male friends who likes her pictures. They have guys at the snap of their fingers. Most guys don't.

    There's simply no point in having an honest relationship. I once dated a girl that acted like a good girl. Total borderline case, worst experience of my life. Not even that hot. I believe her. Sudden fight breaks out and she unloads some crazy kinky shit she'd done. Months pass by after the break up and I get flashbacks of all the red flags. I realize this girl was a total whore but I will never know how bad. Now she's dating another guy just like me. Doing the same stuff to him. I can only imagine how many times she's cheated.

    Yup, that's basically what I just said. You know the flags are there, but you just don't want to believe them. Same exact thing happened to me last month. The flags were all there. She seemed super nice and friendly with everyone. Everyone in our social group loved this girl. Then one day she mentioned she twerked for fun at a tailgate party. I said to myself "no biggie, she likes to have fun."

    Went out drinking one day with her friends. The topic came up "have you ever been caught having sex?" She told a story while I was sitting there about how she got caught having sex on a boat and the guy's father walked in, complimented her on her ass, walked out then laughed about finishing sex with the guy."

    Even if that's true, you don't admit shit like that. It came across as disrespectful do say that shit in my face in front of all her friends. But I said "ohhhh maybe I'm putting too much thought into it. Maybe I'm just being insecure because I don't have any funny sexual experiences."

    The signs became more and more apparent until she broke up with me out of the blue. The signs were all there, my gut was telling me that she was a whore. I just didn't want to believe it because she was college educated, good job, came from a good family, had good friends, liked to play flag football, loved sports, cooked for me, ect...

    All those things are "wifey material." You know how rare it is to fin a chick like this? Didn't matter.

    I could have ended the relationship weeks before the breakup, but I had no proof she was cheating. Some guys have no respect for themselves that even when they catch the girl cheating they will take her back because they feel like they won't find anything better.

    Now she's dating another guy just like me.

    Yup same thing happened to me lol. The day she ended the relationship she posts on facebook about being with this other guy. The VERY NEXT DAY. The guy dressed like me and everything. He was just older.

    She tried coming back for a second round and I declined. Am I the only one who's not okay with this?

    She has not tried coming back, but I'm sure she will. Her best friend goes to my gym and we talk here and there. Her best friend told me straight up that I didn't do anything wrong and that this girl always does shit like that. Break up with guys for no reason. I just wanted to slap myself after hearing that. Me and this girl share the same social circle (ughhhhh) so I will see this chick again next week at a party. Who knows what will happen.

    But no, you are not the only one ok with this. I'm with you. I lost all hope in having LTRs with women in modern society. The only way a LTR can work is if you're ok that she will cheat on you or leave your ass for someone else. She's not yours, its just your turn...FAV redpill quote.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (8 children)

    They do this because they don't want to lose the one women they put so much time and effort.

    This is really the core essence of it all. Guys grow up hearing all these nice things about women. They want to believe it, they want to bond with one. Share everything blah blah. Meanwhile women are on a warpath and only care in the moment. The only option is to never give a shit. Their shooting themselves in the food imo. Their entire game relies on the fact that men emotionally care for them. Without they have no power.

    he topic came up "have you ever been caught having sex?" She told a story while I was sitting there about how she got caught having sex on a boat and the guy's father walked in, complimented her on her ass, walked out then laughed about finishing sex with the guy."

    God man, she said that? That's fucked up, she's purposefully painting this image in your head to get you jealous and angry. This girl I dated went even further. I was hanging with my class mates (all of them girls) and one of them got angry at me and hit me in the face. Me and this girl were close to a break up, she already found some guy to branch swing to. She probably looked for him because she feared I would cheat on her. Typical BPD.

    So I tell this girl about what happened with this girl at school. Because it was funny but I also wanted to make her jealous. It's just a minor dread tease. So flips the fuck out and threatens to come over to my school and kick this girls ass. I calm her down. She then begins talking about physical violence and how she'd probably hit me one day if we ever got into a fight. I laugh at her weird shit test. Suddenly she's telling me about some past guy she dated whom fucked her and had rough sex with. Telling me all kinds of details "he really hit me hard, he choked me rough" all that shit. 'Why the fuck are you telling me this', I'm fucking pissed and we break up in the weekend.

    To this day I still have anger towards her for that crap. I also have the compulsion now to really fuck girls roughly because I never want to hear this shit from a girl again. If I treat them like whores then I won't care when another guy did. Thing is, I could have broken up with this girl, told her about the threesome I had with two girls while we were dating. But I never did, yet these girls just go for the jugular.

    Yup same thing happened to me lol. The day she ended the relationship she posts on facebook about being with this other guy. The VERY NEXT DAY. The guy dressed like me and everything. He was just older.

    Yeah man, no mercy. Also they love getting a reaction out of you. The girl I talked about was the worst at this from all the girls I dated. She tried making me jealous with three different guys. The guy she tried to branch swing to rejected her. She even send me private pics on Snapchat when she was hanging out with him. All because she claimed I was over her within a day. Which was true, after the horrible sex story she had told me over the weekend.

    Her best friend told me straight up that I didn't do anything wrong and that this girl always does shit like that. Break up with guys for no reason.

    Yep, girls do this all the time. They love breaking up with guys because it saves them from rejection. Either their jealous and afraid you will break up first, so they beat you to the punch. Or they lost respect and want to branch swing. Sometimes they just want to be single for a while. Their just wining it, I dare you to try this as a guy. Break up with your girlfriend willy nilly, watch her explode. Everyone will shame you for doing so, you will be dragged to court for you to take her back. The world will demand blood. But it's okay to hurt guys.

    But no, you are not the only one ok with this. I'm with you. I lost all hope in having LTRs with women in modern society. The only way a LTR can work is if you're ok that she will cheat on you or leave your ass for someone else.

    The way things are set up in the west women have to much candy to shop and zero consequences for fucking a guy over. So they will for one reason or another. My default stance nowadays is to lie to a girls face when she asks me for commitment. If I figure being in a relationship will benefit me for the short term I accept. Then I keep treating her like a plate while she believes she has a boyfriend. I don't even feel bad for ghosting on them suddenly. Their emotions ain't my problem no more.

    Despite all that I'm not okay with all the slutty stories I hear from girls doing gangbangs, orgies, 9 guys in 4 days etc. These are things I would hardly consider. It's like women get sex so easily that doing the normal stuff gets boring after a couple of years. So they have to do fucking crazy shit in order to get off.

    [–]meninistMD 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I lived in spain for a while, good looking men will do anything walking on two legs.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    21 guys in 10 days?! That's actually, logistically impressive. I ain't even disgusted. oh wait...

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You're surprised? What did you think women do with their free time other than fish for attention?

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Would you say those 21 dates were of a different league or look than her boyfriends/husband?

    [–]abbafishhead[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    A lot of guys do. In fact, I don't think there's a guy out there who'll feel no negative feeling when they know that someone else out there is having a wayyy better sex life than him, even if that person is a girl.

    [–]Returnofthemack3 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    yeah I dunno, i only tend to bed girls that are fairly attractive, and i'm entirely aware of how easy it is for them to get fucked. It honestly doesn't bother me because of that. If you truly understand the ease in which they can get fucked by high quality men, you should be able to come to terms with it. Its just incomparable

    [–]smokecheck1976 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I don't.

    You know what I don't have and have never had? Women staring at me because quite frankly they are too pussified to walk over and strike up a conversation. I never had creepy old women making very inappropriate passes at me. I've never had a woman walk up and ask me for oral sex. All of this has happened to women that are friends of mine with me in the area observing.

    Quite frankly, I don't mind having to chase and prove myself. It bothers me quite a bit when things are too easy.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Unless if he's dating that person and she tells him two years in

    [–]BestSC86 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Although on a more rudimentary level, I started to notice that because of what yoo are talking that 20s something women in American cities walk around and carry themselves with the 'abundance mentality' for which so many of the TRP gurus are striving.

    You can see it in their walk and demeanor...while the guys are normally less sure.

    Then you notice that 30s women all look more bitter.....though with the SJW crap many of them are still strolling around entitled as if guys are checking them out instead of their daughter or young niece walking next to them.

    And by the way, American women are the worst...

    [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 65 points66 points  (3 children)

    Men and women aren't comparable. At all. On anything, not just sex.

    [–]Orig_analUse_rname 56 points57 points  (1 child)

    It's like apples and orangutans.

    [–]bleed_red_white_blue 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Take inspiration from others but the only person you should ever compare yourself to is yourself.

    [–]yaardi 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Compare yourself to yourself from the past.

    [–]BluestBlackBalls 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Fuck that guy from the past

    [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Because the ladies sure didn't

    [–]notmyusualreddit 26 points27 points  (2 children)

    It isn't even always about jealousy about their sex life. I'm 32 and have been a decently successful dater for 15 years. Even with several multi year LTRs I'm close to about 35-40 partners. I've made sex exciting with locations (hottubs, side of the road, parked in the city, hilltops, and more), had a 3some or two, and all that. And lately I date girls 18-22, and often out of decently long relationships where they are on the rebound. I'm confident I've had more experience than any of them by a good amount (jesus, some are still excited by lame things like shower sex).

    Yet I still hate the idea of their previous sex partners. Knowing they exist, fine. Knowing any details literally repulses me. I think it's natural for a male to dislike the idea of the woman he is investing in in any way to give herself to someone else. Its like watching someone else do a burnout in your car.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    I bet those guys would be horrified to if they knew their little young princess was getting railed by a guy in his thirties. I know I was until I got older myself. There's never a positive mental reaction within a male when he finds out the girl he fucked was public property. It diminishes your conquest and insults your pride.

    If there's one thing I've learned about women is that it's best to just keep sexualizing them without investing even one percent in her emotionally.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Fantastic comparison. It takes a.composed man to let someone else hoon your whip.

    [–]KryptoniteFree 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I am 50 and I have a decent n-count, but I'm not sure I can say it's enough. I'm not sure if it would ever be "enough".

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    He said, while taping his bruised and lacerated Weiner to a popsicle stick...

    [–]1StinkyDiaper 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    I still suffer from bouts of jealousy towards women at how easy it is for them to get attention and, most importantly, sex.

    [–]mrlavalamp2015 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Living in sin city, recently moved here and I can tell you the triggers for this are everywhere here.

    [–]1StinkyDiaper 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Growing up with 2 sisters, I was very jealous, as a teenager, of the exciting lives they had. Life of the party, their phone's blowing up all day, and receiving tons of attention everywhere they went.

    And it wasn't because they were funny, particularly intelligent, or even interesting. They were fertile, had boobs, and, most importantly, vaginas. They had to do nothing to receive this avalanche of attention but to show up and exist.

    [–]smokecheck1976 102 points103 points  (83 children)

    You aren't going to be laying on your death bed saying you wish you had bedded 3 more women.

    What will you be thinking on your death bed? Something along the line of, "If only..." If only you had taken the time to write that novel. If only you had taken the time to turn that idea you had into an invention. If only, and we can hope, you had just a few more days, or just a few really important days back. If you are really lucky, someone will be holding your hand as the light grows dim and sound fades away.

    I know it's gospel here that women are able to get sex "effortlessly". Most of you would be surprised to find out exactly how hard they have it. The guy they want isn't interested in her. The guy they aren't in to is pressuring them. The guy that pretended to be interested is busy bragging about "his lay" to his buddies in the locker room, and he's off to the next woman. You want to know the best way to get a woman? I'll tell you, offer excitement along with safety and security. Those will mean different things to different women, but if you offer that combination, you are almost always in.

    Never forget that the average partners over a lifetime for a woman is about 9, and that's the average (which can be skewed by small outliers), the mean is almost certainly less. Those outliers with high n counts are almost always nuts.

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      [–]_TheRP 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      This is also a really good post. Really good.

      The bottom line is that we're all people, ugly girls, hot guys, you, me, the old lady that works the register at the grocery store - all of us have our own shit.

      [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (1 child)

      Great post. It's good to have the knowledge but don't let it take away your humanity. A lot of opinions posted by various people on TRP is borderline sociopathic.

      [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      A girl can have only slept with 3 dudes in her life before you, and if two were married guys, does that reflect well?

      Bad. But possibly tolerable.

      Is that girl any less fucked up than the one who got pumped out by 75 guys in 7 years in her 20s?

      Worst. (Not a grammatical mistake, I mean that literally.)

      [–]lookitsmeyay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You are a great person. Thank you for being kind and trying to humanize instead of just thinking the worst of everyone. It's much appreciated.

      [–]Steve_Wiener 15 points16 points  (16 children)

      I agree. Many to most don't have it any easier. Everyone has problems, it's just that some problems are less unique or harder to relate to than others. My friend has a younger sister that is "hot" I know her and have known her and her entire family well enough to understand that she has a difficult time making guy friends ( i.e. they all want her to date her or sleep with her or get into a relationship with her) and most of the women around her resent her for her beauty. Most women are vicious in that regard. The women who do engage her are ones who want to use her beauty to help access higher SMV men they could not normally get themselves ( and yes, they still privately resent her)

      Oh boo fucking hoo. Everyone wants to date you, have sex with you, love you and/or give you free stuff. It really must be so fucking hard for you.

      These girls literally do not go a night in their life alone or with out sex or company unless they choose so and you think I should feel sorry for them!? While I'm out here approaching women and getting rejected constantly. I literally cold approached over 40 women this summer and only hooked up with only one of them. And I am attractive. The level of demoralization and pain and frustration you get from approaching woman after woman only to be told that you're not good enough for them, knowing they're fucking other guys while you sit at home alone again, knowing that you work harder than any of them for something the get for absolutely no effort is overwhelming and you want me to feel sympathy for the ones who hold all the cards and laugh at me.

      GTFO

      [–]smokecheck1976 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      Cold Approaching has it's limits. A good salesman understands that cold calls is a volume over quality proposition. If that is going to be your method and you are only going to approach 40 women in a little over 90 days, then yeah, you are only going to close maybe a small handful of deals. It's even worse when you are just pussy hounding, believe me, they have a sixth sense when it comes to that.

      Tell me, did you do some volunteer work at an organization? Did you see about joining a coed recreational sports tournament? Did you take a class in something that women are interested in (say like photography or painting)? What did you do to make yourself someone that is interesting and maybe a part of her natural social group? What books on sales and marketing and psychology did you read (and not just the sidebar)?

      Being attractive isn't enough and it never has been. Cold call 100 random phone numbers and offer to sell them something. Most won't answer. Most of the rest will hang up. A few will waste your time. Even fewer will be interested. Maybe you get one sell. Do the same thing with a list of people that you know might be interested in your product, and you might sell two or three, it's the nature of things.

      [–]2cingle 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Did you take a class in something that women are interested in (say like photography or painting)? What did you do to make yourself someone that is interesting and maybe a part of her natural social group?

      This is beta-bass-ackwards.

      If you like photography and/or painting, you take it. Take the class to get close to women? Certainly, step out of your frame, right this way.

      [–]smokecheck1976 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Yes, do step outside your frame. Your womanless, sexless frame. Yes, take something that you aren't entirely certain you will enjoy. Keep an open mind.

      [–]Greenmarbles 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      You know its crazy to read your response, and his response and the response hes replying to...

      Its wierd to me because, it clearly illistrates just how much effort you have to put in for something so small, all while reasonable keeping a level head understanding and composure in to whats really important, as a man.

      None of you guys are wrong either. To approach 40 women is something the majority of men who existed throughout history never had, or had the balls to do, or even the oppurunity to. But at the same time it means nothing, because, if you want to have success as an average man, (high value men too) you have probably got to approach near the 10,000s, if you want to have the success we all dream about, and that our society and libido requires of us to be able to find satisfaction.

      And here I am wondering how steve can be so bitter about what i would consider a herculean task from my perspective. I cannot imagine approaching 40 women, the last time i approached a woman was maybe 2 years ago. And i go out all the time with the intention of doing it, I just cant imagine how I could feel defeated if I approached just 1 woman.

      [–]Steve_Wiener 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      To be honest, you gain a lot of self respect and self confidence after you do it, even when you get shot down. Like, you had the balls to do it, you were man enough to go after what you want, so what if you don't get it.

      It's just later on, when you're alone and you see and know all these girls have to do nothing and have a plethora of options to sift through and you have nothing after trying your hardest that the resentment and anger and frustration really builds.

      [–]Greenmarbles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well dude thats fucking awesome. I hope you know that what youre doing is very impressive to someone like me, who lacks confidence, and who is still afraid of being seen shot down in public.

      I guess thats why i wonder why youre so down about the whole thing, but obviously this thread was made for you. You do need to stop comparing your sex life to a womans, because you seem to be bittter about it when youre doing more than most men are. You should feel awesome that youre trying your best, as corny as that sounds.

      They say success is always right around the corner, and from most respectable opinions ive read, they all went through years and years of crash and burn before they had success, and now they are able to smash hot women you can only dream of. Keep that in mind thats what youre working towards, you know, because if you keep trying thats what youll be able to accomplish aswell.

      Thats my 2 cents.

      [–]askerman97 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Yeah you should, women don't have the same sex drive that men do. They don't want to get ploughed anywhere near as much as people on this sub think they do.

      Your post reeks of anger phase/beta cuck. Stop being a bitter beta, just accept that some things women have advantage in, and yes, getting sex is one of them, because beta's like you are so thirsty you'd jump into bed with any fat hoe.

      [–]2dogsandpizza 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Ah yes the 'women don't want sex' meme. I remember thinking that was true as well. Women don't nt want sex from low level guys but they will suck miles of dick when a proper guy comes along.

      [–]Natural_RP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      If you think women don't want sex as much as men you might be retarded and you clearly aren't Alpha. You should work on yourself more.

      In fact women want sex MORE they are just far more selective with mates. This shit should be in the sidebar. When a woman is around a top tier man she can wear them out. Three times a night, five, ten whatever. You keep going, they will keep going till their pussy gets too sore to handle it. Or do you really think women just hate multiple body shaking orgasms? That after they've had two they just say "Nah thanks for the offer of 6 more, I'm good." Fuck man give your head a shake.

      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (6 children)

      Empathy for the plight of women isn't in short supply.

      [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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        [–]mrlavalamp2015 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Some truckers drive around with their cb off. Some keep it on. Just cause I don't hear you doesn't mean I'm not listening.

        [–]smokecheck1976 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Do you know who Julia Roberts is? I know she is on the backside of her career, but she was, and still is to me, very physically attractive. Now, do you know who Lyle Lovett is? That dude is a good singer but he has always been an ugly duckling. He was married to Julia Roberts. When they asked why she married him, she commented that no other guy had even hit on her. It turned out her wealth, fame, and beauty actually scared everyone else off.

        For everything she had, she was also intensely lonely in her personal life. Everyone wanting and expecting their version of you or wanting shit from you gets really fucking old.

        [–]slay_it_forward 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        Yeah I'm sure Julia Roberts had a tough time getting dates. Wtf is wrong with you guys?

        Poor Julia Roberts.

        [–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        When in fact Julia Roberts probablybis one of 10 girls on the planet with the luxury to marry for love as a woman. What a horrible thing to happen to her! Its almost like another planet of alpha mega billionaires should exists so she can get back to hypergamy!!!

        [–]smokecheck1976 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I remember an interview where she said exactly that, she couldn't get a date with someone that wasn't a Hollywood weirdo. What did Lyle do that made her fall for him? He opened and held doors for her, he treated her respectfully without being a doormat, and he didn't pretend to be something he wasn't.

        Did it last? No. You know what he said of it? "Yeah, I got the girl and I lost her, but even a blind chicken finds corn now and again."

        [–]abbafishhead[S] 49 points50 points  (18 children)

        You aren't going to be laying on your death bed saying you wish you had bedded 3 more women.

        Some of us would, particularly virgins or even n<10 guys. I can reasonably imagine a man with n<10 thinking on his deathbed, "What a waste. I had 80 years of life, and I couldn't even fuck 10 girls." I do agree, however, that this might apply to the guy with dozens of lays.

        What will you be thinking on your death bed? Something along the line of, "If only..." If only you had taken the time to write that novel. If only you had taken the time to turn that idea you had into an invention. If only, and we can hope, you had just a few more days, or just a few really important days back.

        Umm, you know what those guys who actually wrote novels, pursued their dreams, started businesses, etc. and basically pawned their youths and indeed lives away to achieve their ambitions would say on their deathbeds? "I wish I had allowed myself to have more fun." This automatically includes casual sex for men.

        If you are really lucky, someone will be holding your hand as the light grows dim and sound fades away.

        How's that lucky? With respect, I think you might be projecting your insecurity and fear of loneliness. Some of us are perfectly fine with living, much less dying, alone.

        I know it's gospel here that women are able to get sex "effortlessly". Most of you would be surprised to find out exactly how hard they have it. The guy they want isn't interested in her. The guy they aren't in to is pressuring them. The guy that pretended to be interested is busy bragging about "his lay" to his buddies in the locker room, and he's off to the next woman.

        Of course they have their own struggles. It still doesn't change the fact that they have the upperhand by far in the sexual marketplace.

        You want to know the best way to get a woman? I'll tell you, offer excitement along with safety and security. Those will mean different things to different women, but if you offer that combination, you are almost always in.

        One of my fuck buddies said about her boyfriend, "I love him because he has the right balance of aggressiveness and affection." I guess it all boils down to a mix of alpha/beta traits to start and keep an LTR.

        Never forget that the average partners over a lifetime for a woman is about 9, and that's the average (which can be skewed by small outliers), the mean is almost certainly less. Those outliers with high n counts are almost always nuts.

        I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9. Maybe if you apply the x3 rule, that sounds about right (27).

        [–]efrp 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9.

        Eggzacklee. I've seen that number thrown around before too, and most girls I know have crossed that number by the time they're in their early 20s. And these are girls that aren't even especially promiscuous - they don't go out every Fri/Sat night looking for dick.

        Think about it - let's say she loses her virginity at around 15-16. Even at the extremely conservative and believable rate of 2 guys/year, and considering that most relationships at a young age don't last for many years, that's around 10 guys just by the time she's 21 or so.

        I think ~30 sounds like a much more accurate n-count for women in their late 20s/early 30s.

        [–]smokecheck1976 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        I know a lot of women that were not with "one or two" guys a year. They were, and are, selective about who they would date and wouldn't even consider sex outside of a relationship they felt was safe and secure. They didn't have sex at 15 or 16, more like 17 or 18, and they liked guys who had actual interests outside the bedroom. So, yeah, a lot of them have one or two boyfriends in high school and young adulthood, and then they meet a guy in their very early twenties and marry them. They are mostly invisible to the guys on TRP.

        [–]IvankasBabyDaddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Unicorns are invisible to most people.

        [–]3savoryprunes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I highly, highly doubt the average n-count of today's women in the US is 9. Maybe if you apply the x3 rule, that sounds about right (27).

        I'm guessing that figure includes women of all ages, with geriatrics who grew up in a much different era bringing down the average drastically. I'd like to see the figure for 25-45 age range.

        [–]suited_up_gorilla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's a partner count not a notch count. Women obviously don't count ONS in partner counts. Hell, I'm not even sure if they count it if it lasts less than a year.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (4 children)

        You must be a girl because everything I read on your comment were lies.

        [–]_TheRP 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        This is very accurate.

        If the goal is to have a dick inside of you, any woman can achieve that goal probably every single day with a different guy.

        However, that's applying the mindset of a 17 year old, hormones raging, male to a the mind of a woman. That's not how women work.

        There needs to attraction, desire, lust and so forth. That's not easy to find for most women. If you want to sleep with her, it's your job to create those feelings.

        [–]slay_it_forward 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Wish my desire would go down at 34 but nope. Although the hard-ons are as persistent.

        [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Dude I wish it were true but I've seen it first hand. It's a slippery slope for women landing into slutsville. There are so many scenario for a girl to get fucked. And all it takes is a couple of times before she gets jaded.

        The only thing that could keep her from being an absolute slut is having a boyfriend from an early age to show her the light. Every girl I met that had one and broke up with turned into a whore. They can't bond the same way with their future guys. So they turn into whores. And it's fucking easy for them.

        [–]Natural_RP 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Who's is upvoting your white knight bullshit? This is horrendous.

        [–]smokecheck1976 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's because it isn't white knighting. I'm not approving of abysmal behavior or defending such. Pointing out that your information might be faulty and seems to be producing GIGO is trying to help you.

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          [–]smokecheck1976 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          Do you struggle with reading? Offer adventure, offer mystery, but believe me, they like it the most when they know there is also security to be had and even though they are thrilled they are also safe.

          Look at it this way, people get on roller coasters because they are fun but there are typically huge safety margins installed so the riders are safe. A few scale cliffs without a safety net, but far more ride roller coasters. Maybe, just maybe, if I want to attract women I'm far more likely to attract them with a roller coaster than I am with a sheer cliff in terms of excitement. Then again, that means I do have to work at things a little.

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            [–]smokecheck1976 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            No, it isn't look back on one of the central tenets of the red pill, "A woman seeks alpha for sex, and beta for provision. Ideally, she finds these in the same man." I stated nothing that is not directly in line with that. I'm not certain why you seem to think that "effortless attraction" is actually, or at all, effortless.

            [–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Safe to say that you will always find some regret on your death bed

            [–]smokecheck1976 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I'm not sure my great uncle did. He had lived a full life. I remember asking him when he turned 83 if he was going to live to 100. He looked at me and asked, "Why would I want to do that? I'm 83 and I'm already bored."

            [–]RD5 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I'd like to know where the 9avg lifetime n-count comes from. Do you know and can you show the source?

            [–]smokecheck1976 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think it comes from a British NHS survey. Here is one article on that, and it claims that the average British woman has 7 or 8 partners.

            http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/11November/Pages/Results-of-UK-Sex-Survey-Published.aspx

            Here is a similar review conducted in the US that shows average American women in the 4 to 5 partner range.

            http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm

            Either way, the notion that the woman you are talking to, if she is of any quality, has a massive n-count and is getting railed by some other dude she just met isn't supportable given the statistics that we have.

            Also, STDs, and not all are stopped by condoms, would spread like wildfire if women were just handing out pussy left, right, and center. Women do not have the same drive or motivations as us when it comes to relationships.

            [–]GodEmperorShitLord 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Never ask a fish how to catch fish.

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            [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Mine isn't particularly low, it's just that these girls, even though they were all in their early 20s already had double digit partners.

            This is the core of the pain. She's a slut and you know it and this makes it impossible to be a pair of two. Because she's been in a literal gangbang.

            Turns out she didn't bother to count blowjobs, which would have put her at 20...

            Don't believe that it ended with that. Women will trickle truth all the way till the moon. To this day I remain oblivious to how many guys my exes have had and I will always suspect them. The lies never stop.

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Of course you can't. Women get sex for free, men have to pay with it in one way or another, even if that involves investment in becoming a better man.

            Somebody who gets something for free is always going to have more of it than people that have to pay.

            It's really not that big a deal that women get more sex, all they have to do is sit back, wait for the lines, pick some chump and spread her legs.

            Now ask a woman, what she has built or invented and it will be nothing. Most women are simply just pieces of meat.

            [–]EdvardMunch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I don't exactly feel better about myself for banging a bunch of women. It's also really easy for me, which is like most women. Consider that perspective and know those girls with low counts who are worth a damn will be turned off by you having slept with so many. Quality of the girls does factor in.

            [–]1StuttBuffer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I've experienced that same change of attitude. A notch on my belt is something I can brag about. A notch on a woman's belt is something she might giddily divulge to close friends, but otherwise she will hide it for the sake of her reputation. Men and women are truly playing different sports.

            [–]efrp 4 points5 points  (6 children)

            while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment.

            Exactly.

            It's similar in a way to why so many guys aren't interested in hookers, even though we all know that if we paid we could score with a really gorgeous one. Because in the back of our minds, we know that she's only doin it with you for the money, and she'll do the same with 1000 other guys who pay. There's no validation in getting with a hooker, nothing to brag about.

            So women also realize that while they can get laid any time, for many guys, they're nothing more than an additional notch on their n-count, and that doesn't provide any validation to them either. Commitment from a guy they're into, however, does, which is why they see that as a true measure of their own value - how many quality guys are willing to actually commit to them.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (4 children)

            To bad allot of them are shit bad at recognizing when a guy is actually up for commitment or is just playing them for whatever reason.

            [–]Skwerilleee 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            This is because guys have become very good at faking commitment to get the casual sex they want. It's a big vicious cycle really.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            I was about to say "Hmmm I wonder why" but you are right, it is a cycle. Though I think women initially only had to deal with guys whom were out of their league 'faking commitment'. They took their frustration out on other guys and now every guy learns to fake commitment.

            Places like this and even the whole "Cuck" meme are a direct response to women taking it to far. Man adapts and find that other methods are more effective in getting him sex than giving honest commitment.

            Women made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            The biological term is 'arms race'. These things can lead both parties to places neither of them would prefer to go, but they play the hand they are given or lose.

            The seeds are all here for an epic arms race. We are mammals with internal fertilization and a long gestation period, and a very long period of neonatal care. This is too much for a woman to handle on her own, so she needs resources and parental investment from a man. At the same time, she wants the highest quality sperm to increase the lifetime success of her offspring, but she may not be able to get the resource commitment from high-quality men. So, she shops around to harvest sperm from the highest quality men she can attract, meanwhile trying to get resources where she can get it, lying if she needs to in order to get a man to invest in children that may not be his own.

            For the man, if you can inseminate many women without investing it is a big win, but you still want to invest in one (or two, depending on how rich you are) to ensure greatest chance of survival for at least some. Meanwhile, being cucked is an absolutely huge genetic disaster.

            And there you have it. Men place high value on sleeping with as many women as possible (high n-count feels good). Women want to sleep with a high-quality man but it only takes one; but if they can't get one to commit, then harvest his sperm and get someone else to commit. Without commitment there is no win (high n-count feels like a failure), because a single mother was a dead or at least extremely poor mother. So she learns to lie, to cover up just how much sperm harvesting she has done. Men, meanwhile, become better at detecting infidelity than women (the cost of her mate's infidelity can be nothing so long as he keeps investing only in her), and feel 'disgust' if a woman has slept around, as she is likely to keep sleeping around even if he commits to her. Modern society is femcentric, and in pushing the female side of the arms race further, it brings about a stepping-up on the men's side, who are more and more choosy about giving away commitment (which translates into less and less wanting to be pair-bonded, which in turn means a reduction in good feelings towards women generally). Classic arms race.

            [–]Stythe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            I used to feel this way. I remember meeting a 17 year old who asked me my n count. I had maybe 4 or something at the time. She replied "Oh honey..." in a mocking tone and told me hers was almost 30. She wasn't even good looking. I remember feeling like a loser.

            Now I look back with the correct mindset and my situation improved and think... damn, she's a mess. I was looking at things the wrong way.

            It's true though, it's not the same game. And the gane itself isn't what it looks like. It's not getting women, it's getting women to try to get you, and that means you do you first and foremost.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            "I used to feel this way. I remember meeting a 17 year old who asked me my n count. I had maybe 4 or something at the time. She replied "Oh honey..." in a mocking tone and told me hers was almost 30. She wasn't even good looking. I remember feeling like a loser."

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

            No way, this girl actually bragged to you in a condescending tone about her N-count? Man I can only pray to the gods that one day I'll have one of those moments. It would be the hardest laugh a woman has ever received to her face.

            [–]lqtys 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            It's funny how the age of decadency for women (about 30) is the same as the beginning of SMV peaking for men (the 30s). It's how nature and natural/sexual selection has programmed them to settle for the best provider.

            It's not per se that we're jealous that they did it with someone other than us; it's that we compare their experiences to our own, and then realize how "behind" or "inexperienced" we are.

            It's not just that feeling of being inexperienced when compared with them (or jealously when applicable), it's also a disgusting feeling. When I imagine any woman I already know having sex with other men (and/or women) in the past, and the higher the n-count the worse, I feel a very disgusting feeling. I can't think of a better word to define it. DISGUSTING.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Same way a woman feels when she finds out her idealized boyfriend is a betacuck. Men have standards to and this means looks x vaginal purity.

            Now it's important for men to tackle the current epidemic of whores with a battle plan. The only reason I initially felt bad about promiscuous girls was when I liked them and I wanted to date them but I knew I could never live up to the collective memory of fifty cocks slamming into her.

            Other reasons it feels bad is because you want to connect with her and you know it's a fools errand. You want to impress her but odds are you can't. And you want to be her captain both sexually and non-sexually, but she's the experienced one.

            This means that the old template of marriage and even relationships doesn't work. Remember that the odds of you ending up with such a girl are increasingly high in today's world.

            So sadly men have to adapt by declining any chance of bonding, learning to lie to their faces and opt for pump and dumping. You can't perform for her to be assured of her staying loyal. Also, who's to say that she will ever open up sexually for you like she did with all those strangers?

            It's easy to open up to people you don't know, that's why every form of interaction including sexuality has become anonymous or less personal. Girls are not exempt of that, she will be more of a slut towards a stranger she has nothing to lose with. Simple.

            So the only way to go is to allow women to slut it up, allow her to lie to you about how innocent she is. Then let her believe whatever story she tells herself about the relationship the two of your share. While you do your thing and pay her no heed. Empty your load, have your fun and then move on.

            [–]1ozaku7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Honestly I am more impressed by the fact that all women are fucking ho's who fuck half the population a day on average and most of you don't even come close to their number. For every women that gets fucked, a man had to do it, or they all attend a lesbian orgy of some kind.

            So somewhere, there's a bunch of dudes that got as often laid as the women you speak of, but none of them seem to be here, lol. Also makes me wonder what kind of women you attract.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Very good post man, you hit every note and you kept it short and concise. Bravo. This one really bugged me for a long time. One of the girls I once dated turned out to be borderline. She confessed part of her sexual past during a fight. It bothers me to this day. I learned how much girls lie about everything and how easy it is for an even average or unattractive girl to have sex.

            It makes it impossible to maintain a healthy relationship. She will be jaded and unable to appreciate having a guy within her league. Even if you are slightly out of her league. She will never have you at number one. And without being number one, the power dynamic in the relationship is unbalanced.

            Nowadays women throw their vaginas around as easily as a one dollar bill. And that's perfectly fine for the professional sluts. The problem arises for girls who want their cake and eat it to. She will realize she can't over and over again. Leaving a trail of men in her wake.

            In the end you just need to accept that these women are damaged and beyond saving. In my book it's not normal for a commitment interested girl to be experienced with..

            "* n>20. She told me these wonderful stories about threesomes, hookups, swinging, all the ethnicities she "tried," all the locations of her daring sexcapades, orgies/parties, etc"*

            When a woman does all that it's a sign of more to come. It's a direct induction of her low value. Comparable to how we judge our male SMV. Beta traits are a sign of low value, Sluts traits are a sign of low value.

            [–]2comment 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            When they're disillusioned by the Cock Carousel, being pumped and dumped for the umpteenth time, and feel the societal/biological pressures to settle down and get married before it's too late, we're only beginning to come into form.

            Less disillusioned, more flung off. Oh, they still can get guys easily, but not the studs they really want. Plus the biological clock must have some effect.

            Guys ought to know that their ex-CCer didn't "mature" and suddenly fall for them, they just were the last place pick in a poorly played game of sexual leap frog.

            [–]saibot83 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            My sister is close to the wall and there are weekly calls to my mom where she moans about how time is running out if she wants to have a family, wondering what she's doing wrong (Hint: she's got a cunty attitude in general). I haven't said anything to either of them but my thoughts are basically "Bitch, all you need to do is have a pulse and not be a cunt and you're home free". I don't know much about her dating life and I don't want to but I know she's nowhere near ugly, objectively speaking and know that there is the occasional guy in her life. They really don't know how good they have it.

            Me, I haven't gotten laid in 2 years and counting despite actually trying. Nothing but rejections. Forget about any sort of actual ltr. And I'm not even ugly. It's like men and women exist on different planets.

            [–]assured_destruction 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Some women are picky. They do have low counts and only then in committed relationships. They are good at saying no. Then they get married and still think they need to say no and be a good girl or they won't be respected.

            It sucks at both extremes

            [–]bluedrygrass 8 points9 points  (6 children)

            "Always remember -- while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want."

            Whjat the fuck op? You were doing so good, and you fail SO hard on something so basilar?

            Come the fuck on. You really believe this bullshit? It's incredible the amount of totally blue things that even most endorsed or long time posters here candidly state sometimes.

            Women ABSOLUTELY ADORE SEX and everything related to it, op. They like it even more than us. And the sexual innuendos. And masturbation, or jokes about it. And the stories. and whatnot. But mostly sex. Women don't get videogames, nerd movies, abstract concepts, all that shit that can entertain a man. Women's main entertainment is relationships, and the carnal part is the most feelz- inducing.

            Fuck, op, you're at the levels of complete newb that just started the sidebar on that.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            I think what he meant that women need more than sex from a man while a man doesn't need more than sex from a woman. Also women are more about the implications of sex than the fucking itself. Which is why their so obsessed with where, when and how.

            They love it but differently from men. Generally speaking women would have more interest in being sexually validated by a man who offers more than a pump and dump. If he himself is of high value this is the highest compliment. But women quickly fall down the rabbit hole of sluttyness so you are right. They love it more then men by then.

            [–]abbafishhead[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Which do you think they want more, commitment or sex?

            [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I think they really do want commitment, but our society and culture tell them to be whores. Once they get commitment they read on social media, magazines and listen to music about how boring that life is.

            Going out, partying, hooking up, having drama filled relationships is shoved down these whores mouths. So even when they get their perfect relationships early on, they will always want more because that's what they taught. They hear all the stories their whore friends tell them and then they feel that they are not living.

            Relationships are dead now. You can get them easier by 30ish because as everyone mentions, that's when the media and others around them start questioning when they will settle down and get married. For most women it will be too late because they will have to settle for someone they dont really want.

            But being married and having kids give them feeling of ecstasy because now they have something to brag about to all their friends and family.

            [–]throwaway_advice4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I really needed this. Thank you.

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            [–]1kevin32 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            while girls get sex effortlessly, it's almost never what they really want. What they're after is commitment. And their high n-counts are something that they have to carry around as a badge of shame, as a reminder of what loose, standardless sluts they once were. It's something they have to make peace with, once the dust settles and the fun and games end, and they realize that their high n-counts are just evidence of their inability to secure commitment from a whole string of men who saw them as nothing but cum buckets.

            Unless they grew up with conservative values about relationships, attractive women only want commitment after they're no longer carousel-riding material. And to my bias, no woman is ashamed for having a high N-count. If they were, there would be no SlutWalk or complaints about how "a man with many lovers is a stud, but a woman with many lovers is a slut."

            Women only pretend to be ashamed of slutty behavior to gain sympathy from beta-providers and those in their social circle who frown upon their behavior. A woman's carousel years span roughly 10 years. That's a long time to do something that you would then be "ashamed" of when you're no longer allowed to play anymore.

            While I agree to an extent that a man comparing his sex life with that of a woman's is counterproductive if it leads to long-term anger and depression, that anger can be used as a catalyst for productive changes in a man's behavior and approach to getting laid.

            However, I think your overall message of not griefing over a woman's N-count in comparison to yours is good motivation.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            And to my bias, no woman is ashamed[2] for having a high N-count.

            You are confusing shame and guilt. I don't think women feel guilty about sleeping with many men, they are just following a biological imperative to a) harvest high-quality sperm and b) use sex as a way to get a man to commit to her. She is ashamed at the idea of this becoming common knowledge, or more specifically at it becoming known to men - especially a man she is looking for commitment from. That would compromise the success of her plan.

            As she gets older, if she is alone she will feel bad (but not guilty) about how many men she slept with, because it is an indicator of how much she failed. If she has a good relationship, she won't feel bad (guilty), she will just be concerned about it becoming known (shame).

            [–]Piediver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Men tend to peak towards their 30's?

            [–]casemodsalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I don't bring it up but if they do, it's pretty much time to vomit at whatever they spew

            [–]Rhonun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Reading this made me sad. This seems like a superbly empty lifestyle.

            [–]coolasice007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            im all for females slutting it up bc thats what I do...I notice how we berate females for doing in their prime what we want to be doing in our prime

            [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I don't complain because I never had to, life is good

            [–]BlackVale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Thank you for this post. I often get approach anxiety because I have a low n count but this alleviates some of the pressure.

            [–]FrameWalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Hey you don't get to tell me what kind of slut I get to be. I'll out flank most sorority girls in N-count.

            [–]just_waitforit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Orgies/parties are like a trigger word for me. I'm always like shit, there's something I missed out on. Never heard of it going on in my SEC college. Like how the fuck does that go down in a woman's life (assuming she's sexy) ?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            I agree on most points, but its just as easy for an Alpha male to get sex if they want it. "Getting sex is UNBELIEVABLY EASY for even fat/ugly girls" - Only out of a chad/beta selection. They struggle just as much as betas do to get 6+/10s. Its very unlikely for an Alpha male who has success, a well exercised physique and well established control over their lives to give them any attention unless they're desperate. I'd rather spend my time working on things that will make my future potentially better, instead of contracting an std. I only go after plates that have potential/education/some measure of success/aren't crazy/inheritance. I'm damn picky. There's also the fact that classier women tend to choose Alphas because they can/have the looks or environment to demand it. Men mate across and down, women mate across and up.

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            You'd be surprised how many high value Alpha males 10+ fuck ugliest and fatties whenever they have a dry spell or it's just thrown into their laps. Maybe your picky but these guys have had enough sex to not need an all-star line up. They can handle a couple walk-ons inbetween.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Men have different criteria for non-committed sex and commitment. This is basic. Men generally will sleep with any woman they are not actively repulsed by, but have much higher standards about women they will commit to. This is because before modern society and child support etc, getting a woman pregnant was no cost at all, but committing to parental investment was a very big cost indeed.

            Women get confused about this. Because a 8/10 will sleep with them they assume they must be at least this good themselves (since women don't sleep down, therefore they must be at least at 8 themselves), but then find that the man doesn't commit, so they become bitter. This is the way of the alpha widow, and why women with lots of sexual partners tend to be broken. They slept with higher quality men than they can get commitment from, which leads to an inflated sense of their own SMV, but they have to 'marry down' (in their eyes) to get commitment. Women do not look kindly on men they see as below them.

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