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Red Pill TheoryHow To Be "Alpha" In The Male Social Hierarchy (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by _aroo

Introduction:

Men form our hierarchies by recognizing value of the members of the given social group. The guys that provide the highest value to the group are placed on top of the hierarchy, while the lowest value members are placed at the bottom. The male social hierarchy is usually formed after a couple of days after the members get to know each other. It rarely changes, so you have to make a good first impression in order to acquire the highest position possible.

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The Male Social Hierarchy

There are roughly four different levels in the male social hierarchy. You need to understand motivations behind the behaviors of different levels and recognize them in real life in order to achieve success in your social circle. If you want to be at the top of the hierarchy then your goal is to give everyone what they want.

  • Omegas - They have the lowest value in the hierarchy. Omegas are taking all the value from the group and have nothing to offer back. Those are the guys that buy drinks to a women they've just met and try to bribe them and buy their time with it. They crave acceptance so your task is to give it to them. You give them the acceptance by acknowledging their existence and saying something like: "You know what? I like you, you're a cool guy!" while giving them pat on the back.

  • Gronks - They don't feel as valuable as other people so they try to decrease value of everyone else instead of raising their value. They think that they have do be the most dominant guy in the room in order to get respect that they crave so much. They were omegas at one point in their life, that's why they act aggressive, insulting and loud to cover it up. Gronks feel unappreciated and endangered so they act combative. They are the most frustrating group to control in the social setting. Gronks want to be appreciated and respected for being powerful, so you should give them what they want. Don't ever try to fight (verbally or physically with them) as they become even bigger pain in the ass, instead say to them something like: "Man, I really respect you for speaking your mind."

  • Betas - Betas are competitive, meaning that they only feel valuable as long as they are the highest value guy in the room. When there is a guy of a higher value then them, they act passive-aggressive and try to challenge him with verbal attacks. You neutralize betas by showing them that they are already valuable in your eyes and that they don't have to battle you. For example, you say something like: "I really appreciate your help in the last project, without you we wouldn't be be able do it on time."

  • Alphas - They have the highest value in the hierarchy. They are cooperative and gain value by making other people feel better about themselves and more valuable. Alphas understand the male social hierarchy that's why they always try to rise everyone's value. They try to make people feel good, appreciate them and say good things about them and focus on bringing positive aspects of others.

How To Be An "Alpha" In Your Social Circle:

When we meet someone for the fist time, we (subconsciously) ask ourselves these two questions:

  • »Fight or flight?«

  • »Friend or foe?«

To answer the first question, we try to assess how much power the person has. To answer the second question, we try to assess how much the person likes us. Charismatic people appear to possess both - high power and high warmth. These two qualities are not real core component of charisma though. Charismatic people possess the real core component of charisma, the foundation upon which all else is built - presence. When you interact with a charismatic master you can feel like his power and his warmth are there only for you, you feel like they could »move mountains for you«. Charismatic people make others feel appreciated and good about themselves.

Source: The Charisma Myth

How to act charismatic?

  • Understand that charisma = power + warmth + presence. You need to have all three qualities in order to be alpha (charismatic). Have only power and you will be seen as arrogant, have only warmth and you will be seen as needy.

  • Understand male social hierarchy, raise everyone's value.

  • Make strong first impression. Look good, smell good, have a strong handshake and control you voice.

  • Hold eye-contact. Try to really look into the persons' eyes, try to see the color of the eyes.

  • Body language > verbal language. No matter your appearance, title, or even through others' deference, a body language of insecurity will kill charisma on the spot.

  • You can't fake confidence, even if you do your body language will betray you. You have to be confident, there is no other way around.

  • Remember people's names and use them, people like hearing their names.

  • Show genuine interest in people, learn about them and their interests. Try to find something you have in common as soon as possible.

  • Start conversations with strangers by commenting on the environment.

  • Best conversation topics: FORD (Family, Occupation, Recreation, and Dreams)

  • Worst conversation topics: RAPE (Religion, Abortion, Politics, and Economics)

  • Form strong connections with people, you do this by talking less and listening more. Let the other person do the talking.

  • Always be present during conversation, if you feel like your mind is fading away, bring yourself back to reality.

  • Don't ever, ever interrupt someone when they're speaking.

  • Lower the intonation of your voice at the end of sentences, reduce how quickly and how often you nod, and pause for two full seconds before you speak.

  • Don't criticize. By criticizing someone you hurt their pride and they put themselves in the defensive mode and start hating on you.

  • Never complain or moan.

  • Avoid arguments, because you can never win. Even if you win the argument you make other person feel inferior, hurt his pride and make him resent you.

  • When you fuck up, admit that you are wrong.

  • Don't break your frame. Don't let anything get under your skin. Never seem annoyed or nervous, smile often and laugh loudly when something is funny to you.

  • Learn how to accept compliments. Stop, absorb the compliment, let that show on your face, and thank the person.

  • Avoid using "no problem" or "don't worry," because people will remember "problem" or "hurry." Rephrase, like "we'll take care of it."

Conclusion:

There is a male social hierarchy in every social setting. If you want to be on top, you need to understand it and use it to your own advantage. You can't define "alphas" by how they look. "Alphas" are nothing other than the guys with the highest-value in the room that understand male social hierarchy and know how to act accordingly.

Take care.


[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (46 children)

How do you deal with people that interrupt you when you speak, though?

You can say that it's a sign of being unintimidating, but it could also be a sign of them being dicks.

[–]_aroo[S] 78 points79 points  (18 children)

Finish your sentences even if you're interrupted. Maybe raise your voice if needed.

It has little to do with you not being intimidating enough. People that interrupt others do so because they're not charismatic and trust me, nobody likes "that guy that interrupts everyone".

[–]ShounenEgo 13 points14 points  (11 children)

I've seen a Will Smith video where he was talking on a show and he was getting interrupted but can't seem to find it. It was from another TRP post.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (10 children)

The video you're looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceYE8zxk3Y

Still, it'd be weird to get interrupted in the middle of a long sentence and keep talking with somebody talking over you for a longer while.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It does feel weird, but generally you'll only have to do it once or twice before they get the message and cut that shit out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm becoming more influential and aggressive in conversations as I read and practice RP; ran into this situation just last night without really realizing what I was doing wrong. I thought the guy just had it in for me, but he was the higher value in that situation (passing out tons of drugs, elder/grandpa member of the scene, venerated-supercool guy) and I would keep "interrupting" him because I wanted to actually engage some of his points instead of just listening to him ramble. I got the drift eventually and stopped interrupting, but then I also got bored and left the "conversation".

Timing of this thread couldn't have been better.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recognizing your position in the social hierarchy is an essential skill. You don't have to be content with where you are, but recognizing it clearly gives you the ability to change it.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 7 points8 points  (3 children)

This, this is the thing I've been missing all my life. I often times try to speak in a group setting and get cut off and feel like Jaden. This explains so much.

In a situation where I am Jaden and a guy like Will is in the group with me what should I do? Should I respect that he's above me status wise or still try to challenge him if I have something to say? I can see either one backfiring depending on how he responds or how I attempt each plan.

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you're like jaden its because you have nothing to say that's worth hearing, you have no presence, or you're obviously nervous or not confident. Or all of the above.

Your input probably doesn't always add value. I'm naturally like Smith in that video and just have always been. Ive never understood it until recently. So I can't relate to the struggle to cultivate presence. For me, I had to uncover the presence and warmth that I naturally possessed by infusing it with confidence and a positive mental state in all situations.

I'd say try and develop things that add conversational value. Watch stand up comedy and develop a quicker wit, comedic timing, funny observations. People forgive and even invite you to interrupt others when you have presence and what you say is funny (dont sperg out and do this when the context doesnt call for it...). Do some cool shit that gives you cool stories to tell. Learn the art of oral storytelling. I talk over and interrupt others when theres a moment that will be funny. Because you're ultimately being positive and bringing fun by comedy into the situation, its a net social positive. Talking over people to make the joke adds dominance.

Ensure your body language is not withdrawn, check other body language posts here.

If you feel uncomfortable talking you will get cut off and nobody will give a shit, because its a beta tell and nobody gives a shit about betas. In addition to the things above, do exposure therapy. Get into social circumstances and force yourself to interact in more places with more people. Eventually, it becomes so routine that its comfortable. Confidence stems in part from familiarity. Make socialization very familiar.

[–]Chinny4daWinny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the well written out answer.

[–]CapnPrice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in the same spot as you, but I really don't think there's a clear cut answer. I think you just have to put yourself out there and fail a few times to get experience, then act accordingly depending on the context. Every situation is unique.

[–]GiskardReventelov 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Great video with explanation how the use of volume can be used in group conversations.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It feels weird but you respect yourself more for following through

[–]billcosbyeatsbabies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it's a skill for sure. You should only ever talk over people when necessary. Never gronk it out of context.

[–]-Quotidian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny, I used to stop talking and just stare at the person who'd interrupted if someone tried to interrupt by speaking over me. If they made a valid point I'd acknowledge it and continue with what I was saying, but if they were just talking to hear their own voices I'd usually dismiss them and go back to what I was saying.

Every now and again the stare would be enough, especially if other members of the discussion would join me. The interrupter would trail off, get nervous, and apologize.

Getting emotional never seemed to help. Being cool and sharp or calm and rational got me more results than anything else.

[–]1theoctopuss 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Understand that those people aren't listening to a word you're saying. They can talk for hours about themselves, but as soon as you speak their eyes glaze over and they can only think about what they're going to say next.

This is a very feminine trait. They're the only ones that truly exist in their world. Everyone else is like an object to them. Avoid these people.

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    [–]1ubiety 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Quality over quantity, it should be part of your mission to find the diamonds in the rough than settle for superficial conversationalists.

    [–]1dongpal 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    you shouldnt avoid everyone

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    My dad is like this. He's an extreme narcissist and as a first child I was his prime narcissistic object.

    [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    How do you deal with people that interrupt you when you speak, though?

    Stop and stare at them. They're the one committing the social fuck up. You'd be surprised how many people notice the stupid numpty who interrupts everyone and then swaps looks with you. (Said look saying "aren't they fuckin rude?/socially incompetent") Withdraw interest in interacting with that person and if they continue to be rude, finish your sentences with the people who are still paying attention.

    You can also make jokes picking up the conversation again, making fun of the fact they can't read basic social cues. I've had great success doing these things. Someone who was originally disrespecting me and interrupting me often is now one of my closer friends and treats me extremely well. He's very conscious that he doesn't want to cross me socially. This is the position you want to end up in.

    [–]Danedina 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This is my style. I used to be extremely combative in conversation. Now I just shut up. I've found that if I make a habit of controlling what I say, meaning that I'm almost always saying something meaningful, then people want to hear from me. The person who interrupts me gets the floor temporarily, but people are actually waiting for me to finish my thought, because it's almost always more insightful than what someone else has to say.

    But I should add that I'm not an ambitious person. I have no desire to conquer board rooms. If noone wants to hear my opinion then I'll keep it to myself, maybe develop it more and send out a quality memo.

    [–]larrythetomato 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    How do you deal with people that interrupt you when you speak, though?

    First take a quick check of the situation:

    Check the body language, are others facing you? Is their dominant foot facing you?

    If it is one on one, your goal is to be getting the other person yapping as much as possible (that's how they make you their friend) so there isn't any harm done. You shouldn't feel defeated because the goal of the conversation: to create rapport, is being achieved as they speak. If they are saying nothing that is a the bigger problem.

    If it is a group conversation and you just barged in, then you are the one interrupting. Do the biggest fan method on the most dominant person: be the one laughing, asking questions and nodding the loudest. Eventually they will crave your approval and begin to show you more and more attention, when they focus on you, the focus of the group will be you, then you can take it where you want it.

    If they just barged in, you did a foot check and everyone's focus is on you, AND you are feeling a bit petty, then pause until after they speak, then continue as if they weren't there. You can instantly fragment a group by doing this. If you do the talk to the group method (where your gaze slowly shifts to everyone as you speak) and they didn't even know there is a talk to the group method, you will get pretty much everyone paying attention to you. That one person they are talking to (read as hot girl) will feel uncomfortable, or if it is you, they are just adding to your status. Added asshole version: directly ask a question by name to the person next to them/completely across the group facing you.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Stop talking, look at them and say "dont interrupt me." They usually stop real quick

    [–]Consilio_et_Animis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    "Oh I'm sorry the middle of my sentence interrupted the beginning of yours".

    Works for me when said in a humours manner, and only used when some guy is constantly interrupting.

    [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Add a please and you have something that works in a business environment.

    [–]animalpoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Repeat what you said louder.

    Or "let me say this, let me say this ( followed by your sentence)

    or " I'm a tell you something, I'm a tell you something ( followed by your sentence).

    And then there's the whole " I'm sorry did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours" - this one needs a precise delivery otherwise you come off as weak.

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      [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I usually stop, let the person look stupid and then after said person is done I follow up with, That's nice, like I was saying

      That usually sets the tone and let's them know not to do it again.

      [–]Stythe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Either keep talking and don't break your speech/gaze or raise your hand, palm down and and say, "hold on, I'm not finished my thought yet." Personally I find the latter more effective, but it may be to abvraisive for some.

      [–]foldpak111 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Biggest pet peeve right here. Bitch don't kill my vibe.

      [–]BramRhodesDouglas 110 points111 points  (15 children)

      It's worth noting that the male hierarchy is often the only hierarchy that matters in terms of sexual strategy. Learn to be the guy on top and the ladies will come. Never compare yourself to women when you are in the field. Instead, look at the men and see how you stack up.

      Excellent post my friend.

      [–]_aroo[S] 37 points38 points  (3 children)

      This is exactly what I've been trying to say with this post. Learn to be the guy on top and the ladies will come. I couldn't say it better myself. You can see that at I didn't bring up ladies at no point in this post. They don't matter. Learn to be the guy on top and the ladies will come.

      I'm glad that you recognized the point I was trying to make, because I was seriously thinking about editing the post and adding that part myself.

      [–]BramRhodesDouglas 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      I think you should add that for the new guys. New redpillers might not know that the field that hypergamy operates in is the social hierarchy and you can get hypergamy working in your favor if you're a top level guy.

      I mean hey it's TRP 101 for you and me but we've had thousands of new people sub recently.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Like me. I've only been here 4-5 months, and reading these posts do help refresh my 101 skills. I've saved many and read them whenever I need a boost. This post is going in my saved folder.

      [–]laere 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      I don't know why, but I never looked at it this way.

      [–]ShounenEgo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I always looked at it that way and whenever I'd ask for help with male relationships in asktrp I'd get zero.

      [–]BramRhodesDouglas 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      It's a shame. For every alpha or nascent alpha on the sub there is probably an equal or greater amount of people who are spergy omegas.

      [–]ShounenEgo 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Everyone has to start from somewhere.

      [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Exactly. In my first year of university, I was the leader of the biggest cycle of friends of the promotion. They were only geeks so it was easy. Even though I wasn't hot or ripped, never was the pussy so easy to get. I didn't understand why until I found TRP.

      Now I'm in college where there is 95% of women so there is almost no cycle of men. YOu get thrown in the female cycles and you must succeed at leading a group of 20 girls who all unite to shit test you at the same time. That's funny.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      What's your experience like with college women? Especially those that you're not interested in (that you don't waste your time with, but still have to endure because they're part of your social circle)?

      [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      i am a social butterfly, i enjoy teasing those girls. weirdly they are attracted to me most of the time so I do to them what hot girls do to thirsty orbiters (but less crually, in a more playful way)

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Please elaborate.

      Your level of game is what I wish to practice (having such a large pool of women to choose from I can lead girls on, build social proof, abundance, etc)

      [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      because i am not attracted to them having an IDGAF attitude is very easy. i call them on their bs playfully and tease them. usually they cant take a lot of negs but thats ok because it is not necessary. when they show interest I give them a bait and do push and pull. i am respected by other men and I have social proof because of all the other girls like her. then I use them to have abundance mentality easily with the hot ones. plus its funny watching those 6 trying to sabotage the efforts of the 9 to get me. of course the 9 dont try at first but when she see this kind of mate guarding attitude from 2 or 3 6s then she begin to show interest. thats why i love those girls i am not attracted to. easy and funny interactions that set me in a good mood and they are the key to the door that separates the hot ones from me.

      [–]notrustled 103 points104 points  (13 children)

      Sometimes I just wonder what am I doing wrong and how to work on it. It's posts like this that give answers for me - things that nobody told me before. It shows me that I still have some of my gronk/beta tendencies left, what they are and how to eliminate them.

      Hateful subreddit my ass. This is golden for me.

      [–]Mouthpiece 27 points28 points  (5 children)

      Hateful subreddit my ass. This is golden for me.

      Wish I could upvote this twice.

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          [–]Adeus_Ayrton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And in turn, I you. I was aware of the puzzle pieces all my life but alas, couldn't bring them together to resemble something till i found this place. When I was 29, a year ago.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Only "hateful" because people's egos are so fragile that allowing another's conflicting idea enter their consciousness is like injecting themselves with poison. People forget the point of life is to learn shit and do whatever the fuck you want. If you can't take shit from someone else then you're much better off rethinking your approach rather than fighting it.

          Yeah the truth is ugly, what did you expect? That the sub where men (whom western society/the legal system consistently shits on) come to learn to be better is gonna be full of rainbows and goddamn unicorns? The degree to which the masses expect everything to be happy go fucking lucky all the time is comedic. In fact, they can go on thinking that way because they'll always yield to people who realize that shit is going to hit the fan and plan for it.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Honestly. This is a hateful subreddit towards betas and hamsters, but that's because we've figured these things out and they are unwilling to accept their tendencies.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Im also interested in how to eleminate the gronk/beta behaviours.

          [–]Danedina 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          First and foremost: learn to keep your piehole shut tight until you have something insightful to say. You'd be amazed by how much you can impress people by merely knowing your place and listening attentively. Once you have something to say, THEN seek out a forum and present your views clearly and concisely. Be bold and assertive, but matter of fact, and always give off the vibe that you can be a team player. You want other people of value to notice you and try to pull you onto their teams. This is how you get a shot at responsibility. From there you gain new insights, which you then share at opportune moments, always remembering to make your boss look good. If this all sounds beta, well that's because it is. A beta is a strong follower. All alphas start as betas until they have earned enough respect to command their own following of betas.

          [–]notrustled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          A beta is a strong follower. All alphas start as betas until they have earned enough respect to command their own following of betas.

          Or as the great Vince Lombardi said: “Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile.”

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

          I might get downvoted for it, but I disagree with many things said in this post. There's some good stuff as well, but damn:

          Making every one feel good about themselves and avoiding confrontation are not defining characteristics of alphas. Nor are they preeminently concerned with being the top of the social ladder. That's not to say that alphas aren't mindful of these aspects, but I think you misunderstand the deeper mindset.

          Alphas are men who make their own decisions on their own terms, and confidently pursue the endeavors that matter to them. They tend to not care what other people think, and understand that it's far better to be respected than liked. Generally, they excel at some sort of real, tangible, physical endeavor. Often, people defer to them precisely because of their willingness to challenge the status quo, leading from the front and willingness to take risk.

          Many of the things you listed are either tools in the toolbox, or indicators of the underlying mindset. Certainly use some of these things to develop your power, but even better, cultivate the kind of calm confidence to live and act on your terms, regardless of whether or not you are popular.

          [–]Hrjdc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Alphas are men who make their own decisions on their own terms, and confidently pursue the endeavors that matter to them

          Agree. And in fact, this very rebellious nature is what turns women on.

          While few among these rebellious alphas end up doing something that adds value to the society many end up being messed, probably behind bars.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Agree with this. There was some cringe worthy stuff in this post. But some of it was cool as well.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Alpha are leaders, they may be very good performers at their jobs. They still need and use people to get shit done. You can't get anything done if you are constantly berating,exploiting and NOT rewarding your supporters. At a certain point the betas start looking for another alpha to follow or shoot you in the head.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Nothing in my response indicated that I advocate treating others poorly just bcause. It's important to understand the distinction of motivation. OP seems to believe that the desire to make others feel good and to be popular as defining characteristics of alphas. While a benevolent and wise alpha leader will take care of his people, plenty of betas have the same desire/motivation.

          The difference between the two lies in the Alpha's confidence, strength, and intellect to follow his own path because it matters to him, regardless of whether or not others agree. The beta is willing to compromise his own interests and beliefs in order to get along and go along.

          Consequently, not all alphas have followers at all times. That doesn't change the fact that the personality is of alpha nature. This may sound like a subtle distinction, but it is absolutely critical. It's the difference between faking it, and actually being alpha.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yup very subtle distinction. An Alpha may go along to get along if it benefits him greatly or to avoid a costly confrontation that has no upside to further his agenda on ultimately on his terms. Sometimes is pays to work together or follow someone else. A beta will go along to get along to simply avoid the risk and conflict as an emotional response, getting the scraps from the the alphas of his group.

          Alphas work to the groups benefit aka leader. They will also exploit the living shit out of outsiders or those the do not bring benefit to the group. Outsider Betas, Omegas, Sigmas had better damned well submit or get real good at being graymen capable of hiding their shit. That's where the rewards to followers come from. That's where an alpha's power comes from. Women sense that power and confidence, they respond with mega-tingles. Status within society is a zero sum game where if you don't play you still lose.

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          [–]ichivictus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Ironically, I sort of disagree. It all depends on how you disagree. If you're a dick about it, you'll come off as a dick. But I've gained respect for others when they disagreed while being charismatic. It shows assertiveness and entitlement to their own opinions.

          Of course this doesn't mean it has to start an argument. Arguing is like neediness. Both people at that point are too needy to have their opinion validated.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Someone said this once but I agree with them. it's best to go with a 10% rule. If you are getting introduced to a new group, agree with them 90% of the time and disagree 10%. Often times that 10% is enough to warrant respect that you need in a new circle.

          [–]redpillgainz 19 points20 points  (13 children)

          Sidebar material. Great work man.

          [–]TransientHaberdasher 4 points5 points  (11 children)

          We've already got Vox's socio-sexual hierarchy in the sidebar. More in depth, and more accurately categorizes the beta sub types. OP isn't so much as an alpha guide, as much as it is to help gammas (mostly negative beta traits) be less annoying. Example

          They try to make people feel good, appreciate them and say good things about them and focus on bringing positive aspects of others.

          An alpha can, but this isn't an innately alpha trait. The high school jock who gave you swirlies that rooting the cheerleading captain? Alpha. http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/07/28/study-bullies-have-higher-self-esteem-lower-depression-rates/

          [–]_aroo[S] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

          We're talking here about mature, manly alpha archetypes.

          Jock isn't mature, manly archetype. It is immature, boyish alpha archetype.

          I hope most of people here don't want to be high-school jocks in their real life.

          [–]TransientHaberdasher 2 points3 points  (9 children)

          Assholes never stop being desirable to women. Come on, that's drummed into us at every turn on this forum.

          Showing your dominance is what establishes you to the group as an alpha, period. If you've got the wit, a sharp, cruel barb will cut anyone down to size, women, betas, even other alphas, and it will be received as such. If you're game is blatantly better than every other male in the group, it doesn't make a shit of difference whether you respect them or not. Resentment on their part harms them more than you as it shows their lowliness, and your superiority is obvious.

          The advice all around isn't bad, fairly useful as a 'how to be a socialsexual success without being an asshole, and it does that, but it's a fatal mistake in interactions to assume the asshole cant be on top. Natural Dark Triads and all that.

          [–]_aroo[S] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

          This post isn't about attracting women at least not directly. It's about being at the top of the male social ladder by acting in certain way around men.

          It's worth noting that the male hierarchy is often the only hierarchy that matters in terms of sexual strategy. Learn to be the guy on top and the ladies will come. Never compare yourself to women when you are in the field. Instead, look at the men and see how you stack up.

          Resentment on their part harms them more than you as it shows their lowliness, and your superiority is obvious.

          Not true. Only naive people don't care about their reputation. Reputation and what other people think of your is important if you want to succeed in the modern world. Even one of the laws of power is about guarding your reputation.

          Assholes are at the top which I agree with. Almost everyone at the top is asshole, but hides it pretty well. Bill Clinton is asshole/Dark Triad/psychopath but hides it and people find him charismatic, for example.

          Almost all powerful people are like that. They are assholes/red pill/DT call it whatever you want, but they don't go around bumping their chest and screaming ALPHA.

          Law 38 - Think as you like but Behave like others

          [–]TransientHaberdasher 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          You're right, Alphas care greatly about their reputation (yes all you lone wolf Clint Eastwood/Wolverines on the forum, that includes you)

          Being resented by low betas is fine. From experience (both as the 'gronk'/passive agressive beta and the Alpha) putting the boot in , contra

          Gronks want to be appreciated and respected for being powerful, so you should give them what they want. Don't ever try to fight (verbally or physically with them) as they become even bigger pain in the ass, instead say to them something like: "Man, I really respect you for speaking your mind

          can be really effective if the situation calls for it. The reason they're gronks and not alphas is their delusion about themselves on the hierarchy. Though reassuring them helps you in the short run, you're setting yourself up for constant anklebiting in the future; the reality of not being treated alpha by women or the rest of the hierachy creates dissonance with how he sees himself. Which in turn creates more drama.

          [–]ShounenEgo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          As someone who's lucky (or unlucky, depending on your viewpoint) to have an omega, a beta and a gronk as coworkers, I'd really want to learn how to handle the gronk because his blabbermouth does more harm than good.

          [–]TransientHaberdasher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Is he above you on the management chain? Obey him unquestioningly, without snark or complaint. Follow his 'rule' to the letter. Don't ass kiss, but agree with everything while being as emotionless about it as possible. He doesn't want your obedience, he wants validation and approval. Denying him this without giving him reason to punish you teaches him that he isn't respected as a man. Grit your teeth and remember to respect the position, not the person occupying it.

          Equal to or beneath you? Treat him as you would a woman in the workplace. Keep a paper trail of all interactions, handle his bullshit like you would a shit-test. Take nothing he says at face value, while making sure all his flaws are out in the open (no matter how shallow) and obvious to everyone.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Adding: If a someone like that is above you in the management chain find another job. Go overboard with the good work but be prepared to leave for a better gig. You can't win by staying and watching asshats like this panic is awesome.

          [–]xerXXes_ 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          Women are attracted to assholes because that's one of the manifestations of social power. But only lower class women will be attracted to them. Women who come from higher class families, as long as they're not rebellious types (those rebelling against their family will see those kinds of assholes as having power because he has what she wishes to have), will more likely go for a man who shows power in a socially acceptable way for her own social standing. OP is describing that guy. He's describing a dominating social power that's subtle for sure, but women definitely pick up on it.

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            [–]xerXXes_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Independence, freedom, and access to social circles totally different from her own. They also tend to be perceived as someone with the ability to give her the best sex of her life, since they are usually seen as more sexual compared to the more sophisticated "high class/career" alpha. The "attraction" tends to be temporary though because usually spoiled princess realizes she can't live her lifestyle on Chad's wallet. Then it's off to find her beta bucks! (That or continue to use daddy's credit card for everything.)

            [–]philxd395 3 points4 points  (7 children)

            I've read The Charisma Myth, great book.

            However, I have trouble balancing power and warmth, especially with women. I tend to incline more towards warmth and often get shit tested a lot more. I feel like the smiling that's mentioned in the book that expresses warmth with any sentence makes me come off as validation seeking and weak.

            It just all seems so contradictory, any tips? Or is this specifically for social circle among males? In which case, The Charisma Myth has definitely helped me in that aspect.

            [–]_aroo[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            I'd advice to act charismatic with men not with women.

            Treat women like you would treat your younger bratty sister (hint: not serious).

            [–]philxd395 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Ah that puts things into better perspective for me.

            Thanks man, I appreciate your quick response.

            [–]Larqus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            This. Luckily my only sibling is precisely that.

            [–]1Kolbath -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            The original post was great, but this is excellent!

            [–]Hrjdc 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Agree with u/_aroo but I like this more in detail description by u/neoreactionsafe

            All social hierarchy is based on up or down communication.

            If you see an opportunity to climb up you Charm (understand your target and manipulate them by giving them what they like) that person which triggers the instinctive down reaction where they feel Love towards you and give you advantages.

            Win friends, influence people.

            Then when you climb high enough a woman notices and Charms you.

            ...the process goes around and around.

            Just remember that women are maternal when communicating down and sexual when communicating up.

            A man that is sexual when communicating up is a "bottom" and a beta. (effeminate)

            A man that is sexual when communicating down must have the self discipline to remove Love in order to punish, or to give Love as a reward. Sex and Love are not linked as a "top" but is conditional on her behavior. Sex can exist without Love.

            Also, note that to charm is to be with warmth

            (My other comment seems to be removed, so i posted again)

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Just remember that women are maternal when communicating down and sexual when communicating up.

            This is gold. Also bitter older women are contemptuous when communicating up because they know they have no chance but they just hate you so much for resembling their lost alpha or asshole Dad.

            [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

            Best conversation topics: FORD (Family, Occupation, Recreation, and Dreams)

            Worst conversation topics: RAPE (Religion, Abortion, Politics, and Economics)

            This is super important. I follow politics like sports and am always listening to NPR or podcasts about things happening in government and the world. It used to be really tough for me to avoid talking about things like this until my new roommate moved in.

            This kid talks about stuff like Bernie Sanders vs. Donald Trump, how he's an outspoken atheist and is "recently uncloseted" (referring to coming out of the closet about not believing in God) feels "oppressed" (even though he's from a suburb outside NYC that's one of the richest towns in America), women's rights / feminism (yup, male feminist), and other dog shit topics that are bound to cause a rift between people.

            This kid is so obnoxious I honestly have no clue how he has a job and how anyone can bear to work with him..

            [–]laere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Dude my workplace never shuts the fuck up about politics.

            [–]HeinousFu_kery 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Don't ever, ever interrupt someone when they're speaking.

            Serious question: What if they never stop talking? We all know people like this...

            [–]Thizzlebot 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            Man, I really respect you for speaking your mind.

            [–]JohnCashMoney 4 points5 points  (3 children)

            Very good post. A lot of people think that being alpha is about "not giving a fuck". Sure that type of attitude can give you temporary success at times, but that's not what being an alpha is about. An alpha is a leader...full stop. Some people achieve leadership by being bigger and intimidating others, while others might do it by trickery. Those are ways to become an alpha, meaning a leader. However those strategies, usually aren't sustainable in the long-term. The way to be a long-term alpha is if other people recognize you as an alpha through their own free will, part of that will depend on what you look like, good looking and bigger (as in physically bigger and stronger) guys have an advantage here, but charisma also plays a big role... The same patterns can be observed in chimpanzee societies (interesting from evolutionary psychology point of view).

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Adding to maintain long term alpha status people have to benefit from the alphas leadership. Charisma is nice even important, how ever if the followers and people do not benefit from said leadership a coup will be forthcoming.

            [–]JohnCashMoney 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Great point! Although I sometimes find that people often behave irrationally and even if they are benefitting from the alpha's leadership, they will overthrow him anyways. To prevent that, an alpha who wants to keep his position needs to have street smarts and allies.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            A king/queen without an army is just a fool with fancy cloths.

            Something lost on today's "leaders" business, government & politics. Most "suits" are fools with fancy cloths, they can get away with as long they can call on the police to put down threats of violence and underlings have no other real options to leave for a better Jarl. Either situation changes and they are screwed.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Abortion is a pretty specific topic, I know this will interrupt the well formed acronym but I would say avoiding the topic of death/disease instead (as it can encompass abortion).

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I went to a boarding school and this post perfectly describes the lord of the flies dynamic of the boys dorm AND the college social scene. I've been in all four stages in my life and I can say with full confidence that this concept is the most important concept anyone can get from TRP. Male hierarchy is THE social hierarchy.

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            [–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            What you are referring to is a Sigma, not an Omega. Vox defined it years and years ago.

            Note however most people who think themselves Sigma's are actually Omega's.

            [–]DancingC0w 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Welp, that's me lol, highest production value at work, and i can see myself in these hahaha

            relations with people from all groups and carry a resourcefulness and cunning (sometimes strength) to get a job done with their own skill.

            Omega Male cares little for this recognition.

            has few true friends who know him intimately.

            Yep, that hits home!

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              [–]DancingC0w 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Good insight, i like that view. While i get that you don't (read shouldn't) be only one type (a pure omega is the worst sociopath ever created lol), I still think having a mix of the three (A-B-O) is the best. I don't think having some 'beta' in you is like having the plague, unlike some comments i see sometimes.

              In my opinion, it allows for a must easier blending with others, and while i may not enjoy the company of my coworkers, we still have a job to do, and being able to shift thru the 3 major helps a ton most of the time.

              [–]_aroo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              This is not omega male. Omega is the last letter in Greek alphabet.

              What you're describing is so-called "sigma male", but it's all bullshit because "sigma" is just an introverted alpha.

              But be careful, a lot of autists think they are "sigma" because they have no friends and think they live life for themselves while they're the in fact, "omega" - the last one.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Dude, I like your book report on the Charisma Myth, but Charisma =/= Alpha.

              Don't worry, most other people don't know what it means either.

              [–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Irony: in the 50's - RAPE was the convo topics because people wanted to debate and learn new things

              Now everyone is afraid of triggers. sign of the times i guess

              Ignore my bitching - good post - solid info

              [–]FoolishWiseGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Sadly, this is even true for university. Where the vast majority shun intellectual topics.

              [–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I disagree with your definition of "omega". Omegas are men who die virgins against their wishes. Otherwise you're either alpha or beta.

              [–]Wintamint 3 points4 points  (9 children)

              I feel like I'm going to get blasted for even asking, but is there any science behind any of this, or is this structure just your opinion? Lots of people seem to find it valuable, so it's okay if it is your opinion, but it's presented as fact, and I think that's dangerous.

              Edit: I'm specifically talking about the first section, I don't agree with this model for social hierarchy. Most of the rest of it seems more or less common-sense ideas. I'd still love to see some references.

              [–]_aroo[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              It's completely my opinion based on observations. I've also listed The Charisma Myth as a source.

              [–]Wintamint 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for the response. I must have missed that link, I'll check it out.

              [–]Mrbumby 1 point2 points  (4 children)

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              [–]Wintamint 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              There could be. Taxonomy is a science.

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              You can taxonomize social groups. There's a type of lizard, I forget which specifically, that has very distinct phenotypes where each of three colors has a different mating strategy. I was wondering what criteria the op used for his categorization, but he said common sense, so it's his opinion, which is valid as such, as long as not misrepresented as being based on something else.

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              [–]Hrjdc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Aunt Sue quotes a few here

              Study after study has demonstrated the erotic appeal of male dominance. Women prefer the voices of dominant men, the scent of dominant men, the movement and gait of dominant men, and the facial features of dominant men…Scientists believe that the ventrolateral prefrontal cortex may be responsible for processing cues indicating social status or dominance, and it appears that almost all female brains are susceptible to dominance cues.

              [–]HoundDogs 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Remember people's names and use them, people like hearing their names.

              I've got a question about this one. I'm really not a fan of people using my name. To me, when someone who is not a family member calls me by my name, it always seems like they're trying to use a sales technique so it drives me nuts. Just call me "Dude" or "Man" or don't say my name at all...just look me in the eyes and talk to me.

              Am I the only one that feels this way?

              [–]magus678 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I completely agree.

              It never feels organic, or genuine. It comes across as exactly what it is: contrived intimacy.

              If someone knows of some actual data backing up that age old pearl I would be interested in seeing it, because I suspect it is wrong.

              [–]HoundDogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It's really hard to say. I think there's good possibility that people like us might be in the minority as I hear this idea (saying someone's name to gain trust) touted all over the place from TRP to self help gurus to sales specialists.

              When someone meets me for the first time, asks my name then uses my name more than a couple of times in a way other than to get my attention, I automatically get suspicious.

              I had a coworker who used to do it as well when he was trying to sell me on an idea. Drove me nuts.

              [–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              You're one of the few. It's irrational and offensive. Those who don't want to give their name face to face are often untrustable criminals.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              A great general guide to group dynamics and conversation. This is leadership 101, so now it's your opportunity to lead those around you.

              [–]everythingisthrown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Don't really understand the last point.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Good post, but can you elaborate on the "giving people what they want" concept? Wouldn't that make you seem eager the please in a way?

              [–]uberpandajesus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "Always be present during conversation, if you feel like your mind is fading away, bring yourself back to reality." This is far and away the biggest problem for me socially. Even with people I fully respect, I can find myself and my attention span drifting off while listening.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What's your opinion on giving shit between male friends? I see this a lot and I don't think it's productive, but at the same time there seems to be some love in never letting your friend live down that silly thing he did.

              [–]1InscrutablePUA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The Charisma Myth is a great book, arguably a modern successor to Dale Carnegie's classic. And written by a woman no less, one that is very self aware!

              [–]ichivictus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Always be present during conversation, if you feel like your mind is fading away, bring yourself back to reality.

              What are some good techniques to bring yourself back to reality?

              [–]Professor_Red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              A few good ones I've used:

              Focus on your breathing(much like meditation, if you do that).

              Focus on the feeling of your toes(or fingertips)

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What do you do in a situation where you ask a guy a question and they ignore you/ don't answer you?

              [–]ImTheBanker 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I've been trying to put red pill practices into work this semster. I've generally been the charismatic type, and people flock towards me, but I've never felt like the Alpha.

              After starting this semester and using what I've learned here (regarding the male hierarchy), I've noticed some changes. Most notably was a tailgate where myself and a few friends were talking to a group of girls. The only reason we were talking to them was because I was the only one willing to introduce myself. Regardless, my friends let me take the lead, and once my choice of woman had been made obvious, they backed off and let me have my way of the conversations.

              I don't know if this is strictly because of the the theory, but as soon as I made it obvious to them which woman I was interested in, they didn't engage her in conversation unless it was as a group. I got first pick, and they followed after me.

              [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              That only works around other betas. You encounter a real alpha and you'll get increased physical aggression, competition, being cut right off from the girls you're going for and potentially beat and/or robbed and/or humiliated by the alpha for being in his way.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Works well enough in certain social circles. In yours oldredder, your rule applies.

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              [–]SextonHardcastle11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Swallowing my pride...that was the hardest part for me when I first started learning about these things. I would read something about Betas and it would hurt hearing it because I knew it was describing me, but the mark of an intelligent person is to take knowledge, learn from it and apply it to your life. Like the late great Patrice O'Neal said, it's like medicine...it's going to be bitter at first, but afterwards it'll get better. (I'm paraphrasing)

              [–]All__fun 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              I also have taken notes on the Charisma Myth.

              I would happily share, if anyone is interested.

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                [–]Nearox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Brilliant write-up, could not agree more!

                [–]katniqp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Damn this is pretty good advice. Gonna try this at work tonight. My coworkers try to intimidate me constantly, I'm going to see if I can make myself apply some of these concepts.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Really really original post, first time to see something like this!

                Where did you get knowledge?

                [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Never talk over people/ never interrupt is too broad. There are circumstances in context where talking over someone is the best choice.

                If you need to show dominance in context you should interrupt people.

                Avoiding conflict when conflict is necessary to set the heirarchy is a massive beta tell. Seeking conflict when conflict is unnecessary is a fake-alpha/Gronk/posturing beta tell. Meeting conflict and winning when its necessary is an alpha tell.

                [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Show genuine interest in people, learn about them and their interests. Try to find something you have in common as soon as possible.

                How can you be genuinely interested in women after reading TRP? I'm currently struggling with that.

                [–]BlueFreedom420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Pretty decent post. Concise and strong.

                [–]Mr-John-G 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Nicely done! "The book How to win friends and influence people" is basically everything you have said here.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Not sure if anyone else out there relates, but I think the part I should work on is offering value by making people feel better.

                Inner game, stoicism, strict boundaries, assertiveness an dominance are great. But very often in pursuit of my mission/goals/productivity I leave people behind and they build a lot of resentment towards me, thinking I'm selfish, don't spend enough time with them, that I can't loosen up and have fun because I'm always intense and take my work seriously. Frankly RedPill is a bitter truth and it makes most men a bitter darker grittier person too.

                I believe making other people feel good and giving off good ideal vibes is the solution to my problem.

                [–]Darkuso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                How would a sigma fit in male social hierarchy is he is "forced" to become part of a work group for example?

                [–]ferengiprophet 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                When you fuck up, admit that you are wrong.

                I agree with most of your points except for this one. You should admit your faults to yourself so that you can get better but you should never air out your dirty laundry in public. People are like hyenas when it comes to sensing weakness.

                [–]1Kolbath 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                Admitting an error isn't weakness. It's a sign that you know you made a blunder, but it didn't stop you. It's a signal that you're stronger than your errors and confident in your course, even with minor snags along the way.

                I've worked for and with and around way too many jackholes who never admit when they're wrong. I've watched them obliterate businesses and destroy relationships with people around them because they couldn't conceive that they might have screwed up. It's a false confidence. They aren't confident because they're good at what they are doing and proud of it; they're confident because they are literally too fucking stupid to admit they fouled up.

                I don't take blame that isn't mine, and I don't dwell on my errors, but if I foul up, I own it, tender an apology if needed, and move on. If someone wants to resurrect it, I'll tell them, "That was in the past. I'm better now."

                By the way, your username cracks me up. Great choice!

                [–]ferengiprophet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                By the way, your username cracks me up. Great choice!

                Thanks. I was inspired by DS9

                [–]blacwidonsfw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I strongly disagree with your comment. Airing your dirty laundry is not the same as admitting you are wrong when you truly are.

                Admitting you are wrong is NOT weakness. Because when you stand your ground the next time, they will remember the time you admitted you were wrong and take a second look at what you are saying because they know you have the capacity to admit you are wrong, so you must have a leg to stand on.

                I work in a high profile environment where the whole job is based on confrontation and people who do not let themselves admit they are wrong have 0 respect from upper management because no body trusts a stubborn narcissist who cant suck it up and admit they are wrong. Admitting you are wrong will give you credibility in the future when you know you are right.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                In my experience there's two different kinds of "airing dirty laundry". I think it's 100% okay to be open and honest about fuckups you cope with and feel confident about.

                The deep, character-changing insecurities that we work on and grow through, are what people prey on. You can display these too, you just have to have strong boundaries on them and do not for even a second show to the other person that you are letting/making them responsible for your problems or feelings.

                [–]bad_pattern8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                this is on the level of the straight-talk / powertalk post

                the lower "levels" aren't even aware of the game the higher ones are playing. and once they become aware, their entire strategy changes

                [–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Interesting social insights. Thanks.

                [–]Backfist 0 points1 point  (10 children)

                If 2 Alphas are in the same room does that mean that one of the two gets downgraded to Beta or can 2 Alphas occupy the same space? It feels to me like there is no way for 2 Alphas to exist in the same space without some for of conflict to Betasize one of them. This is why it seems like a man needs his own space where he and he alone can be Alpha and anyone who is in the territory better recognize.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                The co-operate. Reality dictates the positions, if one has greater skill in the relevant arena he leads, if not, the other. They both have value as alphas and lead in co-operation.

                [–]Backfist 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                So theoretically everyone could be Alpha

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Yeah, all of the attributes above are about looking inside yourself and coming to a place of warmth and power. The connection to reality and other men is separate.

                [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                No, alpha takes charge and has position of power/dominance. 80% or more are beta and never ever can do what alpha does. They have innate fear of even trying it.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Negative the situation is one where two alphas enter into a mutually beneficial alliance. A smart alpha knows when to lead, when and whom to follow. Smart alphas know to reward their followers Alphas and Betas and know who to exploit.

                Betas can end up in leadership positions. You can have dumb alphas. Alphas make mistakes Peter principal. The situation becomes very unstable.

                To become alpha you have to completely rewire your brain, learn how to handle people and gain their trust, develop the other skills necessary to run the organization. The best at remaking men into alphas is the military and even then it is with limited success, they become situation alphas. They also have to compete with natural alphas who are attracted to the military lifestyle.

                [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Alphas can certainly occupy the same space but they can only choose to come to peace over the same resources or have no overlapping interest, or... they WILL be aggressive, potentially to fight to the death, to get those resources.

                [–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                Excellent post. What do you think about sigmas? I noticed they aren't on the list, nor do they seem to fit into any of the categories you defined.

                [–]_aroo[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                Sigma is just an introverted alpha.

                [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                Nope.

                Alpha is alpha. Period. No omega, no sigma.

                Alpha has a range of abilities to measure risk and to employ risk for gain. Some of those are social interactions. Some alphas know, in their era and geographic location, that being social is actually lots of risk and little reward. Depends on where you live. That same alpha may migrate where the social climate offers much more benefit and follow through with the rest of alpha instinct as a leader.

                [–]friendlysociopathic -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                Why? That's a very strong statement to make with no supporting logic.

                [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Supporting logic is documented thousands of years of human culture all around the planet.

                The measurable facts are that men haven't been able to change from alpha to beta ever, or beta to alpha ever, and the measurable benefits in evolution (survival, offspring, conquering and so having resources, leading and so making soldiers into resources) are provable and documented.

                [–]friendlysociopathic -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                So in other words you have no logic or evidence whatsoever.

                [–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                Only alpha and beta are real here. The rest is nonsense. NONSENSE.

                Alpha is BORN needing to lead and born physically and mentally BETTER. Stronger, faster, smarter and knows the mind of others by instinct, to read their fears and needs & so to lead.

                You can't teach that. Ever.

                Every other variation of body gesture, eye contact, tone of voice, everything is all made up on the fly. It can vary a lot depending on cultures. What doesn't vary is the will to do so. Aggression, dominance, superior planning and efficiency are born to the alpha.

                You can't teach it.

                You can teach a beta to copy what alpha does but the instinct of the beta REQUIRES it show. Requires. It's never ever happened on Earth that a beta became alpha. Not once ever in all humanity. Never will.

                The real alpha can't show beta. Hasn't got any to show. The real beta will always show beta through the cracks of the alpha camouflage. Always.

                [–]friendlysociopathic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Man, I really respect you for speaking your mind.

                [–]alpha4ever -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

                Lol ok 'aroo', what are you, indian? It sounds like you've read a few books and studied some theory but otherwise don't know shit. Lemme go through some of your bullshit here real quick and school you.

                The male social hierarchy is usually formed after a couple of days after the members get to know each other.

                A couple days? Bro if you can't figure out where you stand in seconds, you're prolly on bottom.

                It rarely changes, so you have to make a good first impression in order to acquire the highest position possible.

                Shit changes all the time. Never seen that quiet guy in your crew grow some balls and take control for a day? Fuck first impressions, if you wanna be top dog right now, just fucking do it.

                If you want to be at the top of the hierarchy then your goal is to give everyone what they want.

                Uh, I think you got shit backwards. Take what you want, fuck what everyone else wants.

                Omegas [..] lowest value [..] taking all the value from the group and have nothing to offer back. [..] the guys that buy drinks to a women

                This shit don't even make sense. Taking value and not giving back is alpha. If you really have nothing to offer then you're not going to be part of any group worth a fuck. And if you knew anything, you'd know you can buy a girl a drink and still fuck her brains out.

                ..

                Fuck it, I've grown tired of trying to help your dumb ass out. Here's my last bit of advice: Put down the books and go out and interact with real people.

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                Man, I really respect you for speaking your mind.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                "This shit don't even make sense. Taking value and not giving back is alpha. If you really have nothing to offer then you're not going to be part of any group worth a fuck. And if you knew anything, you'd know you can buy a girl a drink and still fuck her brains out." A fake alpha or TRP alpha or you are not part of the group.

                Real alphas are leaders they benefits the group (his army lesser alphas useful betas) and reaps the rewards. The group benefits from the alphas leadership, judgement reputation skills and gets their rewards. If the group doesn't benefit a new alpha arises and the old alpha gets "removed". If you see the alpha and his posse getting all the rewards that means you ain't a member of the group and are targeted for exploitation. You see it in presidents, prime ministers, dictators, generals, CEOs, gang leaders; from nations to criminal gangs, corporations to political parties/movements.

                [–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                The terms alpha/beta should only be used when referring to sexual strategy. When we start using them to refer to leadership and other nebulous concepts the concept breaks down.

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                Alphas in terms of sexual strategy are "TRP Alphas" basically betas assuming some trappings of real alpha.

                The concept of a TRP Alpha Works great for picking some women at a club from time to time. For real change in other aspects of life in other aspects of your life, you had better understand the difference or you will get eaten alive by the group and that alpha who controls that group. TRP Alphas are essentially "fake alphas".

                AMOG a real alpha and make him "lose face" there may well be consequences. Real Alphas will give off a body language that will signal you to back off or face the consequences. Real Alphas have access to resources that TRP Alphas do not: better social skills, status that allows him to negate your amog attempt, money, jobs (as senior managers or owners), loyal entourage whose status/livelihood is tied to the alpha etc...

                The whole point of the post is self-improvement and being a TRP alpha is not enough. Recognizing men's social hierarchy is important because it bolsters or hinders your alpha status all around. Your status will decide if your "rewards" are justified. Chad Thundercock will often become your boss or your bosses' boss later in life because he may very well be a real alpha in the rest of his life as well. People like that rise to high levels in organizations.

                That's why TRP is reviled. TRP alphas for the most part are low status males trying to game the system.

                [–]-rubashov 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Complete rubbish. Don't mistake the ramblings of anger phase posters around here as the trappings of alpha.

                Another poster trying to redefine what TRP is about.. great.

                [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                TRP Alpha is NOT a leader or Alpha in the way society defines one.

                A TRP alpha is a PUA with a some self improvement mixed in gaming the system

                [–]-rubashov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                As I said complete and utter crap. You are confusing moral application with being alpha. Lol.

                This has been gone over countless times by Rollo amongst others. A pertinent piece is below for you to read.

                Alpha is as Alpha does, it isn’t what we say it is. There are noble Alphas and there are scoundrel Alphas, the difference is all in how they apply themselves. There’s a tendency to approach every “Alpha” argument from what a guy thinks is righteousness; ergo, his personal definition of Alpha is what appeals best to his sense of virtue. He earned his Alpha cred, played by the rules, and by God people (women) should respect that. However, the sad truth is that prisons are full of Alpha males who simply channeled their drive toward destructive and anti-social endeavors. There are plenty of examples of indifferent Asshole Alphas who you wouldn’t say are upstanding moral leaders at all, yet women will literally kill each other (or themselves) in order to bang them because they exude a natural Alpha-ness. Just as Corey does here. There are Alpha drug dealing gang leaders, and there are Alpha husbands, fathers and leaders of industry. It’s all in the application. Genghis Khan was Alpha as fuck, and a leader-of-men, but probably would be on most people’s douchebag list for that era

                If you wish to redefine Alpha to suit your own definitions find another sub.

                As for the TRP Alpha bit.. you haven't lurked much have you? Don't troll.

                [–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Too many faker newbies like OP on this subreddit. Just big fucking fakers.

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