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ScienceFor Online Daters, Women Peak at 18 While Men Peak at 50, Study Finds. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev

From the New York Times.

For Online Daters, Women Peak at 18 While Men Peak at 50, Study Finds. Oy.

Imagine, gentle readers, the pain this will cause the Hamsters of the world. Lots of shrieking and gnashing of teeth. The Tout le Monde who go about, reading the ‘right’ books and periodicals, are seen at the ‘right’ places and believe in the ‘right’ things, express the ‘right’ opinions, and who believe in SCIENCE! have been betrayed by their god. SCIENCE delivers a shiv to the very heart of the Hamster.

If you haven’t watched “Nanette,” Hannah Gadsby’s fearless comedy special on Netflix, do that now. (We’ll wait.)

Don’t bother, unless you like butch lesbian comics in horn-rimmed glasses. I mean, she might be quite funny, as Amy Wong is and Sarah Silverman used to be, but I can’t be arsed.

In it, Ms. Gadsby takes on the fragility of masculinity

I am reminded that liberals and bluepills often project their own guilt on to others. Women hit their prime (supposedly) at 18, and men at 50, and yet when confronted with SCIENCE! it’s somehow the MEN that are “fragile”

LOL. I don’t fucking think so.

and at one point drills into Pablo Picasso, who, well into his 40s, had an affair with a teenage girl.

How did Picasso wedge his middle-aged cock into the very willing vag of a teenage girl? By making himself exceptional. Recall this is exactly the prescription of your Wise Uncle Vasya: Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work

Picasso, as a world-famous artist who invented Cubism. So he was an O.G. of the art world. That does make him an outlier, but still.

Ms. Gadsby, who has a degree in art history, recounted how Picasso justified the relationship by claiming that he and the girl, Marie-Thérèse Walter, were both in their prime.

Let’s break this down, piece by piece. First, Ms Gadsby has a degree in art history! Sacre bleu! And that qualifies her to criticize Picasso! That’s like saying some Poli Sci major who works as a theater usher is qualified to gainsay Thomas Jefferson!

Now in fairness to Ms Gadsby, I do think that teenage pussy can be over-rated. I think women really blossom at around 20. Maybe 19. But 17? Nah. They just have more “potential” at that age because their rendezvous with the WallSPLAT! is a couple years further into the future.

Seething, Ms. Gadsby said: “A 17-year-old girl is never in her prime. Ever! I am in my prime.” She is 40.

Let’s watch the replay….

Ms. Gadsby: [Seething]... “A 17-year-old girl is never in her prime. Ever! I am in my prime.” She is 40.

TRP: Good. Let the Hate flow through you!

Cut away to the Hamster, dying on its wheel

The researchers determined that while men’s sexual desirability peaks at age 50, women’s starts high at 18 and falls from there. In other words, not so far from the ages of Walter and Picasso.

Bloopers: “IT’S SUNRISE!!! WHERE’S MY COFFIN?!?!”.

“The age gradient for women definitely surprised us — both in terms of the fact that it steadily declined from the time women were 18 to the time they were 65, and also how steep it was,” said Elizabeth Bruch, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Michigan and an author of the study.

OF course it “surprised” the researchers – the female ones, whose gender blindness makes them think that men value degrees and cellulite over soft, supple, young flesh. Were there any male researchers? They are either maginas, or didn’t want to wind up as the punchline in a #MeToo story.

This study isn’t an anomaly.

No shit. Why would it be? In women value fertility and youth (because it implies fertility) and beauty (because it implies genetic fitness to be the vessel of the man’s seed.)The study results echoed data shared by the dating behemoth OkCupid in 2010, in which the service found that men from the ages of 22 to 30 focus almost entirely on women who are younger than them.

“The median 30-year-old man spends as much time messaging teenage girls as he does women his own age,” OkCupid wrote in a blog post at the time.

Bloopers: “SKREE! SKREE! SKREE!”

“The male fixation on youth distorts the dating pool,” OkCupid concluded.

No, the leftoid fixation on “Muh Equalizmz!” attempts to distort nature. Darwin never misses a tackle.

Michelle Drouin, a developmental psychologist who focuses on technology and relationships, was not surprised by the new study — in part because they “align with evolutionary theories of mating” in which youth suggests fertility, she said.

Feminist Grinchellas: “HOW CAN THIS BE SO?!”

Science Bish: “IT’S SCIENCE, BITCH!”

Dr. Drouin pointed out, though, that there are also theories that suggest that “men are just less interested in earning potential or power, and more interested in physical attractiveness.”

Did everyone see that bit of Hamster Trickeration? Science Bish just said the same thing in a different way, and pretended that it was different. Translation: “It’s not that men like young hot women, it could also be that they like hot, young women.”

Women want brains. Men care less.

Men don’t want brains because we have brains. Women want brains resources.

Speaking of earning potential, Dr. Bruch also found that a man’s desirability increased the more education he attained.

Female Hypergamy: Confirmed.

For women, that benefit ended with an undergraduate degree — and postgraduate education, in fact, made them less desirable.

“That law degree looks so sexy on you!” - Said no man, ever.

Why? Because those post-grad bitches be OLDER. And they tend to run their mouths a lot, and not in the fun way, like if they wuz tawkin’ durty.

Dr. Drouin said that educational dynamic might also be related to “beliefs that higher degrees among women translate into more work commitment and less relationship and family commitment.”

Science Bish: “Credentialed bitches be uppity and bitchy n’shit. No man wants that, so they are less valued.”

People aim high (probably too high).

Well, women, anyway.

“Little investment on the front end might pay out big on the back end — so why not opt for a chance at the biggest win?”

“Bet small, win small. Bet big, win big.”

-God Emperor Trump to then-Penthouse Pet Sandy Korn, who he had just nailed. But then again, the internet can’t read chemistry.

“In the real world, the woman with a graduate degree who knows your favorite Kerouac passage, speaks a few languages or discovers new ways to cure disease might be undeniably attractive,” she said. “Think of Amal Clooney.”

Riiiiiight. That was a life preserver tossed to the already-drowned hamster. Remember how I said that Picasso was an outlier? Guess what Amal Clooney is….

Fun Facts:

A. SCIENCE! motherfuckers….

B. Men age like wine. Women age like milk.

C. Really stinky milk.

D. Men prefer younger, hotter, tighter babes; Hamsters rage


[–]PepinoSF 144 points145 points  (11 children)

Let me add my 2 cents.

Several years ago I was dating a hot MILF, older than me, but in a great physical and mental shape. Only some small wrinkles around the eyes suggested that she is over 40. In other words, woman with style and experience. In a moment of truth (on a drunk head) I was whining that likely I'm passing behind my prime years, while looking at a hot young girl sitting nearby us in the bar. She immediately reacted with: Bullshits! Men are best in their fifties. And this wasn't a compliment to flatter my ego.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 58 points59 points  (6 children)

Uh yeah to a woman in her 40s men are best in their 50s. To tight young asses in their 20s, this is rarely true unless you’re a world historical painter like Picasso lol.

More realistic is to just hold on to your plateau in your 50s and bang a few women in their 30s.

[–]sadshark 36 points37 points  (2 children)

There's a couple of old dudes in my gym. Nice haircuts, fit as fuck, smiling, talking and being charismatic.

You know who the gym bunnies sneak peeks at between their workouts? That's right; the old fucks get all the looks.

If I wouldn't have seen it so blatantly in front of me I would've agreed with you.

There's a caveat however: these dudes are in the top 0.1% in their age group and they worked their entire lives for it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Those old guys in the gym don't even have to be tall or wealthy, having muscle is enough. Holy fuck I get eye fucked when I head to the gym. It's obvious I'm not a banker, lawyer, doctor or some shit, the dirt under my nails and calluses on my hands prove I'm firmly in the blue collar camp. The old 60s-70s muscle cars I drive hint that I might be well off, but almost anymore can build one. They don't see the other 30 or so of them I am building/own. Yeah, you didn't have to be rich to have a cool muscle car, you can be skilled, dedicated, motivated and build it yourself.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, that’s why I said it’s “more realistic” to just hold onto your plateau when you’re an old dude because your story applies to the top 0.1%.

[–]sehns 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Or being an in shape rich fuck that drives a new mercedes and flies first class would do it.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Or a gray haired short but heavily muscled guy driving a beat up 18 year old truck who walks with a certain "I'll fuck you up" type of body language. Then being 50 is irrelevant to girls, as long as you don't put a number on it. Put the number on it for her and tell her your age, and the social program you just utilized to write that clicks on in her head. The "I can't fuck a guy who is older than my dad" social stigma rears its head.

If you think you have to drive a $70k+ vehicle and have money falling out of your pockets, well you have no fucking clue what makes panties wet. You do however know exactly what it takes to get starfish sex from a girl once a month while you bankroll her party lifestyle where she is fucking men such as mentioned above of every age between 20 ish and 60.

[–]RemyPrice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy fuck. That second paragraph. AWESOME

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Interesting how women always say exactly what we want to hear.

Of course she wasn’t trying to flatter your ego. Of course she wasn’t.

[–]aye-its-this-guy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

She said bullshit plural? I wouldve left her for that

[–]PepinoSF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point is this immediate reaction, which increase the chance of sincerity over a false politeness. If you are asking me, singular or plural doesn't make much of a difference. Far from giving an advise, I wouldn't drop a valuable date for not watching her mouth after several drinks.

I also assume that she was slightly irritated because I was carefully investigating other girls butts and assume that she was also calculating her perspectives.

[–]UnbreakableFrame 52 points53 points  (3 children)

The reality is that the things that attract men to women are all innate.

We like: Beautiful faces, bodies that haven't been ruined by bad habits, and youth.

The things that attract women to men, in many cases, must be developed.

They like: Handsome faces, good physiques (that for men require years of hard work), good careers, confidence, and high social status. 4/5 of those are not intrinsic attributes, but things that have to be gained after years and sometimes decades of hard work.

[–]petallotus 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Yeah and the woman had no job, was lazy but still attractive?

[–]Field_Of_View 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You wouldn't fuck a hot woman because she's unemployed?

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true. We really do have no value whatsoever from the time we're born.

[–]Appex1 128 points129 points  (5 children)

Women are like a flower. Men are like a tree. The far biggest trait in women in terms of attractiveness is her youth and her looks. For a man it's his looks(especially physique), income, status etc. People are basically like plants. They want to spread their DNA through pollen so other plants bear fruit and thereby passing their genes on. There's a reason why men stay fertile till death, but women only do until middle age.

[–]chambertlo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Damn, bruv, that was some poetic and surprisingly well written stuff.

[–]A_Edgelord 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Well, not to burst your poetic bubble, but an old man's sperm is of pretty crappy quality, assuming he can even get it up in the first place.

[–]PepinoSF 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The men replenish his sperm every two weeks and if he leads quality life, the sperm DNA will be of good quality too. Women are born with ALL their eggs, and these eggs see all cigarettes and booze (and more) that future mom is taking. That's why the younger eggs give better chances than older eggs.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Im willing to bet that holds true for your beer-bellied, not banging hotties, physically and mentally lazy guy, but not for a guy who lives 30+ years of "chad"

[–]sadshark 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure. But you dont have to naturally get it up to inseminate a woman, there's pills for that.

Secondly, the dna in the sperm doesnt deteriorate. So if you take a couple of old swimmers and stick them in a fertile egg they will still make a baby, while a woman in her 50's doesnt even have eggs anymore, not to mention that her body is incapable of pregnancy or giving birth to something healthy.

[–]ECoast_Man 78 points79 points  (3 children)

I actually feel sorry for some of the young broad associates in my firm. They’re in a constant state of ‘well next year I’ll have time to settle down’. Fast forward five years. They’re far less attractive and now bitter alcoholic harpies.

[–]ROCKSTARMANIC 39 points40 points  (1 child)

and Yet they party incessantly & bang guys left and right. But expect their SO's to be fucking monks with less than 2 lays.

[–]Field_Of_View 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't think they do. I think they expect one of the party lays with at least double digit bodycount to magically fall in love with them, and they're wondering why it hasn't happened yet.

[–]DeGENZerate 65 points66 points  (8 children)

As we all know, Tomassi's SMV graph does not have as wide of a gap. He put 36 and 23 as the male and female peak respectively. Why is this? Well it turns out technology actually increases sexual dimorphism through increased comforts that breed weak men. This means that when you introduce agriculture to a society, a few thousand years later you get Tinder, the playboy mansion, and Uncle Vasya teaching you how to tie up little girls.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 65 points66 points  (0 children)

a few thousand years later you get Tinder, the playboy mansion, and Uncle Vasya teaching you how to tie up little girls.

In fairness, I would have tied up girls in the stone age, also.

[–]SuperCrazy07 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I gotta say, this seems a little closer to reality than 50 and 18.

[–]alisemihc 7 points8 points  (5 children)

How can i get that SMV graph ?

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 22 points23 points  (1 child)

The Rational Male blog. This is TRP 101. Personal advice - stop reading this subreddit until you've gone through at least the best of year 1 (the graph is somewhere in it).

[–]1kevin32 4 points5 points  (1 child)

[–]ghetto_tuesdays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Rational Male(book)

[–]Slipstream17X 34 points35 points  (12 children)

The Guardian had some angry column about this point today: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/18/mens-fixation-on-young-women-is-another-sign-of-masculinity-in-crisis?CMP=fb_gu

Apparently masculinity is in crisis because men prefer younger women.

Personally I thought that was just masculinity acting on its natural orientation...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

It's a bit odd why a mid-30s lesbian would be so invested in what straight men are attracted to. The comedian in the NYT article is also gay. Why would they possibly care?

[–]drbldmny 5 points6 points  (0 children)

lesbians don't exist, only women who are too ugly or unpleasant to have a relationship with a man

[–]matrixtospartanatLV 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The Guardian doesn’t have any natural orientations.

[–]Slipstream17X 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Other than leftward...

[–]PS2Errol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apart from deviancy.

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    [–]HeadingRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    How do you know you're with a great woman? If your sex life isn't that good she must be awesome! Quote from her below-

    "I promise you I’m not here to promote the gay agenda and undermine heterosexuality, but I’ve got another alarming report to really top things off. A recent study, published in the Journal of Sex Research found that “men whose partners had less emotional stability reported better sexual function”. Sounds really healthy, guys."

    [–]PS2Errol 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    In crisis because loads of ugly man-hating women can't stand having to deal with normal, healthy male sexuality.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    the guardian is complete femirag

    Just look at the title: "The Week in Patriarchy is a weekly roundup of what’s happening in the world of feminism and sexism"

    They simply define men/patriarchy/masculinity as wrong and every week find something else to justify this position.

    [–]PepinoSF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "less emotional stability" read as "less aware to manipulate"

    [–]JJ3314 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That article was retarded in its incoherence—it goes from these studies, to Nixon vs. Cuomo, to Omarosa and Trump—like WTF?! Talk about free association. She got paid for that shit?!

    [–][deleted]  (12 children)

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    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

    Physical peak is younger of course, but philosophical and business peak both come later.

    [–]MayanEnt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Completely agree with this point of view

    [–]PS2Errol 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Not true for strength or muscle. There's a reason why heavy weight boxers and strong men are often very late 30s and even in the 40s. They can peak very late.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    We’re talking SMV rather than boxing, tho’.

    [–]ahab_dies 15 points16 points  (6 children)

    I'm 29 turning 30 in November and for a few years now I've been thinking my 30s will be the best decade of my life.

    My 20s have been a messy cluster fuck of figuring shit out. I didn't consider myself a developed and stable adult with a serious profession until my late 20s. 30s seem to be a time when you've finally figured shit out, have some money in your pocket and in the bank, and are still young but have reached an age where you're definely a "man" in everyone's eyes. One of my biggest problems at work is that I've risen the ranks very quickly but my age is a problem for some people inside the company as well as with clients I'm trying to sell to. Who wants to be managed by a guy in his 20s? Who looks at a guy in his 20s and listens to his sales pitch with total trust? Some do, and I have my ways but it's a hurdle. I don't see why it would be any different with women.

    [–]firagabird 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    my 30s will be the best decade of my life.

    I've been feeling the exact same thing, brother. My journey of self improvement started only a few months ago, but before that I was an insecure, introverted man in his late 20's. There are certain physical & financial realities I must accept (at least short term), but I've since decided to take control of every other aspect of myself. I've been eating much healthier and working out, and have started going out much more than I ever have. I have never been more excited for the next decade(s) of my life than I do now.

    [–]ahab_dies 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Shits gonna be insane. I've been in monk mode for 6 months so far and will continue for the rest of the year. It's easy for me because even tho I was bluepilled 20-30 I still had a lot of partying and women, though I stumbled through it all, so I feel OK giving it up for just a year. This year I've been working hard at the gym, seeing great results but still a road ahead. It's all for 2019 when my 30s really begin.

    I think of all the time I spent in my 20s being a clueless bluepill and how many experiences I had and people I met and lessons I learned. Then I think all that time is going to happen again for me for 30-40, but this time I'll be redpilled and in the driver's seat.

    It's gonna be amazing. Godspeed to us both, brother.

    [–]blownnnn 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    30s is amazing. So. Many. Woman. Be known to keep your mouth shut and my advice to you is reject a couple of hotties. They will go crazy. That will skyrocket your SMV.

    [–]ahab_dies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for the tip, that's the plan. A lot of the women I've dated in my 20s have spoken about having had flings with guys in their 30s. I can tell from the way they spoke it was what they really wanted - a slightly older guy in his 30s. 6 more months of monk mode and I'll be in my 30s and ready to slay. Can't wait.

    [–]rigbed 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    Vasiliy you’re very reassuring to a 21 like myself. I showed my 17 year old sister a recent photo of Arnold. Arnold’s hair is thinning but he’s buff as ever. My sister told me he looks like a hot professor. Like Indiana Jones. Even more insane, the liberals who had sex dreams about trump.

    Most men have youth and money in their 30s if they’re on a typical college career path. Hence, peak.

    For guys who stay in shape and foster a look of sheer masculinity they aren’t going to have problems after their 30s. If you can’t attract a younger (18-20)woman by simply being a dick and not giving any fucks, then there’s a high chance you can get a late 20s or 30s 9 who can preselect you younger women or as I’ve seen on some porn subs bi women who hook up with younger women. Theoretically in this college stressed society a 40s+ man could even have a relationship even marriage with a bi career woman who’s a sugar momma while he’s the sugar daddy. A sugar couple. Weird to imagine but not all marriages are shit. You just gotta run shit. Also having daughters is always an advantage. Daughters bring friends and you’re a dick to their friends and boom.

    The biggest thing I see with accomplished career older guys like lawyers and accountants who have the money and drive is that they don’t have game. They have emotional baggage. Their aging parents. No young woman wants to hear about that. Ewww. If I dated a milf I wouldn’t want to hear about that. I do anyway just talking to adult friends. So that has to be off the table. Also, you need to be able to command respect. If a meathead challenges you you need to hold your own in verbal judo or brush it off or fight. Most older guys who do really well are ex army or seals. Study these guys and emulate them. If you’re old you should be tough as nails. Most guys aren’t.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Once you can see the Matrix, everything gets easier.

    And as you get older just stay fit, and keep away from things that age you, like cigs, drugs, too much booze, and women your own age...especially that last one.

    [–]SuperCrazy07 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Daughters bring friends and you’re a dick to their friends and boom.

    While this sounds like every 50 year old man's wet dream, do you have any evidence of daughters bringing their friends to dad to fuck?

    I mean, I get (and totally agree) that girls are attracted to confident, successful older men. I just don't think most girls want to bring home a fuck toy for dad.

    [–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The majority of dads lose any influence over their daughters let alone their friends by treating women as princesses

    [–]moroots 22 points23 points  (5 children)

    your writing style is great. good analysis presented with wit and humor. great read

    [–]econquest 40 points41 points  (2 children)

    Yeah I lost it at "Men don’t want brains because we have brains."

    That line was gold.

    [–]Celticonico27 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    brains

    you always go after what you don't have. Like when the french and british fought. french fought for money, british fought for honor

    [–]swapnilsathe1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The British have no honor.... haha. Thats true.

    [–]dontforgetthispw 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I thought it was a little heavy handed and rich. Interesting to read though.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I am something of an acquired taste, although my advice is generally pretty solid and, well, there's a reason I have the tag I do.

    [–]massivewang 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Amal clooney isn't even that much of an outlier, she's still 15 or 20 years younger than George. That's what's so fucking funny/ironic about the feminist celebration when George Married her. In fact not only is she 15-20 years younger than George, she is also THIN, and while not my cup of tea you can argue she's objectively attractive!

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I haven't seen a pic of her in a while, but I remember her having nice legs. She certainly kept a slender figure, far more than a typical mid-30s woman (the age when she married George, IIRC).

    [–]twdziki 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    From my experience chicks under 20 are incredibly dumb, flakey and addicted to drama. Good for ONS, but annoying even as a plate. To me personally most women peak in their early 20s.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Intelligence isn’t a function of age. Aside from that, I weed out the flaky, Kardashian-loving kind. Ya gotta maintain proper controls on the selection process.

    [–]yotheman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    They don't get any better after 20 either...

    [–]RedPilledGodEmperor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yep. 27 year old guy here who has been with a number of women above 20 years old and they are still flaky as hell. Flakiness is not unique to college aged chicks. Frustrating, but that's the way it is.

    [–]PS2Errol 9 points10 points  (3 children)

    Women must be really stupid. How can they not understand that men are driven solely by looks - and that means youth in women (fertility). We don't care about jobs, degrees, 'accomplishments' (lol) or anything else. Just give us a hot 19yr old with a good body and pert tits.

    That will always win over the 30yr old wall-hitting woman who has a job and 'accomplishments' but is a pale shadow of what she looked like at age 20.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    It’s partly gender blindness - they assume what is attractive to them in men is attractive to us in women. Beyond that, the actual truth doesn’t gel with the “You go GRRRL!!” narrative.

    [–]Jaghiro 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    And we have the same gender blindness like them, no?

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    We can have a reciprocal form of gender blindness, where you see a beautiful woman with a man who isn’t particularly handsome and think ”That doesn’t compute” - in that situation, what you are ignoring is tingles.

    [–]PepinoSF 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Based on your experience Vasiliy, what is the distribution between female groups A, B and C (never, sometimes, always preferred)?

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    My unscientific, anecdotal, meandering about in the real world experience is: 50%, 30%, 20%. But who knows? Each man's individual experience is different.

    [–]punchyson 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Women are trying to negotiate desire and change what men really want through shaming. Most dudes buy the bullshit so they are getting away with it. Many of us are here because of that kind of thing.

    If all I want is some mini me's, there is no reason to cum inside a woman above about 25. We instinctively know that, it's not even a question if you had limitless choice.

    I half think women don't get this because they are all on the pill and having abortions until they have that oh shit better lock a good one down moment.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Women are trying to negotiate desire and change what men really want through shaming.

    Exactly.

    Rollo did an article about "schedules of mating" or similar that is highly relevant.

    [–]TransSpeciesMafia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Great post. Makes absolute sense.

    [–]Saucebiz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Hey great user name and great article 👍🏼

    [–]Rezi89 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    I find women with brains attractive... Please feel free to keep the air-head-bimbo populace entertained though.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    ^ For anyone interested in Logic, this is called “The Fallacy of False Alternatives”

    [–]Rezi89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is called a jovial post.

    [–]conflagratorX 15 points16 points  (14 children)

    “That law degree looks so sexy on you!” - Said no man, ever.

    For me if women holds hard science degree then it is definitely plus and increases her SMV at least for LTR. And hard science I mean something like physics, mathematics not sociology or anthropology. Maybe I am weird but intelligence is sexy and I would rather have LTR with intelligent 6 than morbidly stupid 8-10.

    [–]Banned-in-Boston 24 points25 points  (6 children)

    My experience with smart women is that they will exercise hypergamy and leave, as they are smart enough to know that they can do better than you.

    [–]tempolaca 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    Also women in STEM have a savage hypergamy as there are often very few of them, and thousands of men in STEM to choose from. Those girls have so much more abundance mentality than a regular girl, that basically don't treat men as humans anymore.

    [–]Truedemocracy4 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    In income and job yes. But having cut through a decent number of STEM girls like a knife through butter there are 2 things you can give them that they can't get from stem guys: assertiveness and physical appearance. I can't stress enough how pathetic the average stem guy is at being a man. Yes they make money, but they dress like children (novelty T's), have lame hobbies (video games, dr. Who), almost never are physically in shape (and the ones that are don't lift but do like marathons and stuff), and are very passive (apologize too much, feminist, etc)

    You can be the best she's ever had and still make less than her completion by simply being a man. Granted, I've never dated a STEM woman long term but have picked a few up and it's so easy because they are dying for that dominance

    [–]tempolaca 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I dated only STEM women and even have a child with one. It's true to a certain point.

    I found very interesting your take about lame hobbies. Everybody says you have to get a hobby, but there are hobbies that are, well, lame.

    Star trek, collecting anime, video games, etc. They are childish, immature hobbies. Compare it with, golf, mma, motorcycle racing, etc. Not all hobbies are equal it seems, would like to explore more on this topic.

    [–]Truedemocracy4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's a balance. At the end of the day you shouldn't do hobbies just because it's 'badass' and makes women like you. But that doesnt mean ignore some because you're afraid at sucking. Before getting into weightlifting I thought I would hate it. Now I love it. Same with hiking, traveling, camping, etc.

    Just understand with every hobby there is potential social equity and cost to it.

    [–]upupvote2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Holy fucking shit this is so true, I have experienced this first hand in my blue-pill days with an ex, who unsurprisingly, cheated on my ass with a colleague.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    increases her SMV at least for LTR.

    No, it doesn't. It may, like being a good cook or speaking French, increase her "RMV" or "Relationship Market Value", but not her SMV.

    [–]conflagratorX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In my opinion RMV and SMV are at least correlated. Looking from evolutionary psychology perspective attractive traits are traits which you would like to see in your offspring (even if you don't plan to have one). I will gladly make a trade off: little bit less attractive but more intelligent.

    What if she was an obese skank, but with the degrees?

    If she would be obese skank 1 on 10 scale I wouldn't date her. But if I would have been given a choice intelligent 6 and dumb 10 I would always have chosen intelligent 6.

    [–]Merrimon 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Absolutely agree! My wife is a lawyer with additional master's degree from top schools. She's incredibly intelligent but also down to earth. I have dated women hotter than her, but was way less happy. I don't think you're weird thinking that a quality woman is way more valuable than a simply hot woman.

    It's like that saying, no matter how hot she is - some guy out there is tired of dealing with her shit.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    So if she was her w/o the degrees, would you still have married her?

    What if she was an obese skank, but with the degrees?

    [–]Merrimon 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    You're asking if the only quality she had was her educational accomplishments would I still be attracted to her? That is if she was a wildebeest?

    I didn't marry her because she had a piece of paper, that just was a bonus.

    My point was that to me, a smart girl translates to more attractiveness and sexiness. I would rather have a good looking girl that's super smart, than a girl that is smoking but dumb.

    To answer your question, a smart obese skank with degrees is more attractive than a dumb obese skank with no degrees. lol

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I didn't marry her because she had a piece of paper, that just was a bonus.

    Exactly.

    My point was that to me, a smart girl translates to more attractiveness and sexiness.

    It can but it need not. When I was in grad school, there were plenty of intelligent, credentialed bitter bitches, same as today.

    It increases their RMV, not SMV. Also, you have "wife goggles" on, and the study was about single people.

    To answer your question, a smart obese skank with degrees is more attractive than a dumb obese skank with no degrees.

    Nope. Obese skanks just aren't attractive.

    [–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    To answer your question, a smart obese skank with degrees is more attractive than a dumb obese skank with no degrees.

    I've heard this kind of comments only coming out from mouths of the dudes who have never fucked a girl hotter than 5 and/or who fears that he will never get hotter girl than 5.

    [–]LotBuilder 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I would say 24 and 40. I say this because my GF is 24 and I am 40 and it seems to work well. I like them right out of college.

    [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 26 points27 points  (1 child)

    I like them right out of college.

    Yes. All starry-eyed and full of hope eggs.

    [–]LotBuilder 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I don’t mention the vasectomy

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    At 40, I might have said the same thing.

    [–]tempolaca 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    At 20, I liked 35 yo women.

    At 30, I liked 25 yo women.

    At 40, I like 20 yo women.

    At 50, I plan to be in jail.

    [–]iLLprincipLeS 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Now you like them right out of high school.

    [–]betterthanarma3ai 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I’ll be honest, I’m not sure I even understood this because of the writing but when I did, it was a good read

    [–]1by1is3 15 points16 points  (21 children)

    50 year old men are not attractive based on looks, probably based on status and money (BB).

    Look at all the female porn fantasies, it's a young billionaire or a young looking vampire, not a 50 year old billionaire or a 50 year old looking vampire. Youth + Status is still more attractive.

    I call bullshit on the conclusion.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 32 points33 points  (13 children)

    So I'm guessing you're a young guy. It's not just money - although money can be a useful tool in the right hands - it's confidence, dominance and accomplishment.

    [–]drunk-astronaut 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    Which are still traits that are preferred in younger guys over older guys.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Depends on the woman. Most prefer man near their own age of course, but some are open to relations with older men and some prefer it. One simply has to find the group of girls who are attracted to one, and then draw dates/mates/plates from the group.

    [–]massivewang 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    I'm no alpha chad but I think the point is that if you have your shit together, as you grow older you improve as a man.

    So in my case in the last six years (ages 27 to 33):

    • Moved to Brazil for work
    • Learned how to speak a new language
    • Traveled extensively (backpacked europe, trekked patagonia, olympics, world cup etc)
    • Doubled my income
    • Almost 400k in assets
    • Lots of personal growth and development

    I'm in a much better position overall in every way possible - physically, emotionally, financially. If a young man had all of those things, I think he would be prefferred over an older man. The point is that it takes time to develop this shit. The outliers are the young men who are high achievers who can accomplish a fuck ton by 25/30 or are actors/athletes/rock stars/etc.

    [–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That is exactly my point. It's hard to be so accomplished at 25 or 30 but if you are, you are much much more valuable than any 50 year old. Infact 25 to 30 year old guys can pull younger women without even being accomplished so what does that really tell us about true AF type sexual attraction which is linked to youth, male strength and virility?

    [–]1by1is3 2 points3 points  (8 children)

    Confidence, dominance and accomplishment on a 30 year old guy is much more sexier than a 50 year old guy. Women are also into physical traits as much as men. Testosterone declines after 30, and a muscular physique, low body fat, full head of hair and a symmetrical face with a defined jawline are more a factor in mating than simply accomplishment or a bank account.

    The study you quoted has a methodology flaw, where it assigns ''desirability rank'' based on the the number of messages received from more desirable females (18 year olds). Study is primarily looking at college towns NYC, Boston, Seattle and Chicago. Now why do you think 50 year old guys are receiving messages from 18 year old chicks in college towns, thereby boosting their desirability ratings? The study does not consider that, but I do. Add 2+2 and you can conclude that numbers are skewed because of sugar daddy arrangements, it has nothing to do with actual attractiveness.

    Don't get me wrong, I think 50 year old men can still bring their A game to the table, but let's not kid ourselves, 18 year old girls are probably going to be more interested in 20-35 year old Chads than 50 year old Chads, unless prostitution is involved.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    Confidence, dominance and accomplishment on a 30 year old guy is much more sexier than a 50 year old guy.

    Depends on the audience. Some women prefer older men. I realize that this doesn't compute to you, yet, but perhaps some day, it will.

    Now why do you think 50 year old guys are receiving messages from 18 year old chicks in college towns

    First, NYC, BOS, CHI and SEA are far more than just college towns, but I suppose that doesn't fit your agenda.

    you can conclude that numbers are skewed because of sugar daddy arrangements, it has nothing to do with actual attractiveness.

    Again, you are assuming facts to fit your conclusion.

    Don't get me wrong, I think 50 year old men can still bring their A game to the table, but let's not kid ourselves, 18 year old girls are probably going to be more interested in 20-35 year old Chads than 50 year old Chads, unless prostitution is involved.

    There are three types of young women. Those that prefer a man their own age +/- maybe 4 years, and that's it. There is a second group that is open to an older man, but prefers one near their own age, all things being equal. Then there is a third group that actively prefers an older man. You don't consider this possibility because you lack experience in life and, let's face it, you don't want it to be true.

    What you will discover as you get older is that there will be a smaller pool of women to draw from, but they will be really into you. You simply have to learn to qualify them, and reap the benefits. Why this causes you so much distress - to the point where you sound like a mid-30s cat lady "but...PROSTITUTION!" is more than a bit odd.

    [–]1by1is3 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    You are taking it all personally, whereas I did not mean it as such.

    I criticized the methodology of the study and explained away their results. It's not a slight against 50 year old men, or you personally. Sure I lack experience of a 50 year old but I think even you know that majority of the 18-22 year old women are not into 50 year old men which is why you split women in three groups.

    Coming onto simply physical traits, men and women value a few things objectively and then the rest is subjective. The physical traits desirable to men in women and to women in men are really not up for debate because they have a evolutionary and biological reason.

    Men value voluptuous women more, big breasts, wide hips, small waist signifies high fertility. Symmetrical facial features, full head of hair and clear skin signifiy youth and fertility.

    Women value men with musculature, wide shoulders with a V taper, low body fat, defined wide jawline, high cheekbones, symmetrical face, clear skin, full head of hair. This all signifies, youth, physical strength, fertility and lack of genetic defects.

    This is the biological imperative, we cannot deny it and this is of utmost importance in immediate sexual attraction.

    Let's come to secondary traits though, where it all gets mixed up. Both men and women prefer different things. I prefer intelligent women, and I would be willing to settle for a 7 in an LTR if she has intelligence, rather than an bimbo 9, because intelligent women are rarer. Women may prefer older mature men because the younger men in her social circle may not be that accomplished and relaxed in their own skin and men like those who are also young are rarer.

    So it does not mean that I would prefer an intelligent 7 over an intelligent 9. Similarly, it does not mean that the woman in my example would prefer an accomplished 50 year old over an accomplished 30 year old. If accomplishment is the same, why would she choose the 50 year old over the 30 year old when her biology tells her to go for the 30 year old? It's simple logistics then that she prefers older men, because the traits she is putting importance on is more in older men than younger in her social circle. If however she finds the same traits in a younger guy, hypergamy will be sure to kick in.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You are taking it all personally, whereas I did not mean it as such.

    You seem pretty invested. Maybe you are, maybe you are not. What I do know is that I am not at all taking anything "personally".

    I criticized the methodology of the study and explained away their results.

    You made a supposition about the methodology and you also mis-characterized the subject cities. I concur that you "explained away" the result, but in my view, incorrectly.

    I think even you know that majority of the 18-22 year old women are not into 50 year old men which is why you split women in three groups.

    Of course. But I'm not worried about "100%" of all women. I know to qualify young women into those who would be interested in older men, and to focus on that group. You seem to foreclose on the possibility of the third group by mentioning prostitution.

    Coming onto simply physical traits, men and women value a few things objectively and then the rest is subjective. The physical traits desirable to men in women and to women in men are really not up for debate because they have a evolutionary and biological reason.

    Except men and women value each other differently. For us, it's basically 100% what the physical package is, based what our wetware tells us about potential offspring. Women certainly do prefer attractive men, all things being equal, but there's more to the equation for them.

    Women may prefer older mature men because the younger men in her social circle may not be that accomplished and relaxed in their own skin and men like those who are also young are rarer.

    Or she simply may prefer older men. There are some women who do. Not a majority, but a significant enough minority for me to be happily engage bonking away with young, fit, attractive women.

    If accomplishment is the same, why would she choose the 50 year old over the 30 year old when her biology tells her to go for the 30 year old?

    Again, you foreclose the third possibility, and that is your error.

    If however she finds the same traits in a younger guy, hypergamy will be sure to kick in.

    What if it does not? To wit, my OLTR1 has been with me from age 19 to nearly 23. She's a solid HB8.5 and could easily replace me with a younger man, if she so chose, yet she does not. She was surrounded by younger men at university and certainly could find one now, if she wanted.

    Your error is assuming that there is only one way for women to look at things; there is not.

    [–]1by1is3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I did not bother away explaining away the result because you already agreed with my assertion: that majority of 18 year old girls are not lining up to date with 50 year old men. This is not a common occurence. You only contest that the minority that does is large enough for your purposes, and while I would even argue against that, I would let that go since there is no hard data, just personal anecdotes.

    What I will say is this: when I was 22 and broke and hadn't completed my university or held a proper job, had very little game, didn't even have my own place, basically someone without any accomplishments, I was still pulling 18 year old girls with ease.. simply due to looks and my height. I wasn't even muscular, just tall with low body fat and a good jawline.

    Something tells me that the 50 year old without any major accomplishments would not be pulling any 18 year olds. Which shows you that when it comes to unadulterated sexual attraction, youth, beauty and male virility matters.

    [–]songone2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    A woman would prefer an accomplished 50 yo guy over an equally accomplished 30 yo guy, simply put, because of personal preference. What Vasya is trying to tell you is that the fact that you cant see it through numbers and log functions in your head doesn't mean that it's not there.

    Open your mind a bit to values an preferences, overlook for a second all those 1s and 0s flowing through your head.

    Lets take the argument of sensitive and emotional dudes never being capable of being alpha and arr unattractive to females due to those traits seeming feminine. Well, scientific, sociological, economic and social data leads to that being true right? WRONG. A guy wielding those traits as assets and using them from a place of power could score just as much, if not more bunnies than the supreme alpha chad tank, simply because of preference. There are chicks that dig emotional guys and thats it. You could think otherwise and bring many arguments and facts to the table to backup your biased claim, but that doesn't change the actual fact that females have their own personal taste and preference.

    [–]satlinrabbow -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    You are taking it all personally,

    Stop.

    You REALLY don't know who you're talking to.

    You should figure that out.

    [–]1by1is3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I poked holes in the conclusion made out from a study that did not even suggest something like the title. If anyone has any counter criticism to my explanation on the title, please present that. Otherwise please do not present anecdotes and experience while discussing science.

    Read the actual study. The whole method of determining ''desirability'' seems faulty.

    [–]PepinoSF 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    Is this conclusion made, based on watching porn movies experience?

    [–]1by1is3 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    You should read the link and the study in question, the conclusion is based on a desirability rank that is calculated as a function of how many messages received and from whom (i.e. whether those senders were desirable themselves or not)... so whomever 18 year old girls are sending messages to, climbs higher on this study's desirability rank. Add to that the fact that this study is only looking at 4 college towns NYC, Chicago, Boston and Seattle, you can deduce the reason as to why 18 year olds are messaging 50 year olds and bumping up their 'desirability rank'

    [–]PepinoSF 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I mean your conclusion about young vampires and billionaires, portrayed as female fantasies. I cant tell you that what you see in Porntube is what the porn director wants you to see and believe. It is far from what women dream of. Have you ever seen a porn movie with bartender, waiter, monkey-like dj, third grade singer, trashy biker, junkyard tattooist? In fact these guys score the most among young girls and pick the best flowers.

    [–]1by1is3 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    That's a result of their profession and logistics. Proximity to many women will get you laid even if you are a naive beta, because it's a numbers game. I bet you however that 30 year old bar tenders and rockstars would get more pussy than 50 year old bartenders and rockstars.

    I made a very valid criticism of the methodology of the study after reading it. What criticism would you have of that?

    [–]PepinoSF 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The "methodology" you mentioned, based on counting clicks in a dating site is anything but science. All these deep conclusions you draw from, are nothing more than superficial imitation of logic based on uncontrolled, anecdotal experiment.

    The good think of it is, this article raised a discussion that was well explained by Vasily Zaytsev and augmented by others people experience.

    To conclude, Looking on your bitter reactions, you sound like jealous millennial, who is blaming other guys for the lack of fish in his own pond. By my experience with 20+ younger girls, when they are in with and older guy, they look for something more than V-shaped body, Great biceps, 5% body fat and cubic jaw. Simple mechanical summation of these otherwise good qualities wont necessarily bring the desired outcome. To end on a hi key - One of my gym fellows (not terribly sharp knife) once mentioned: Better strong and dumb, than just dumb.

    [–]tempolaca 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Look at all the female porn fantasies,

    It's Brad Pitt, Leo Dicaprio or Jonny Deep, all 50.

    [–]z2a1-9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Great post!

    [–]TheAC997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Why? Because those post-grad bitches be OLDER.

    Also, the scenario that you're hoping for is that she quits her job after a few years and raises your kid, meanwhile your working to pay off her loans. Again, that is the best case scenario in that situation.

    [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    If you haven’t watched “Nanette,” Hannah Gadsby’s fearless comedy special on Netflix, do that now. (We’ll wait.)

    Don’t bother, unless you like butch lesbian comics in horn-rimmed glasses. I mean, she might be quite funny, as Amy Wong is and Sarah Silverman used to be, but I can’t be arsed.

    she is Aussie and I can tell you she isn't AT ALL. my sister ( who is feminist) and my dad ( who was just along for the ride) went and saw her. they said it was 2 unfunny hours where she just preached about being gay. I have NO idea why they keep trying to champion her as a hero here.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    they said it was 2 unfunny hours where she just preached about being gay.

    Evidently, that can often be a thing.

    I have NO idea why they keep trying to champion her as a hero here.

    LGTBQi.

    [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    yeah, they said it's the WROST show they have been too. my sister is a full blown feminist. so it's REALLY saying something

    [–]EdmondDaunts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thomas Sowell made a similar point for people in general but was still referring to the majority of workers: men.

    In developed countries the prime earning years used to be 35 to 45. You were still physically fit as jobs required more manual labour. In the last 30 years and especially now, the prime earning years are 45 to 55 as we are in the Information age.

    Prime earning being where you can leverage experience for cash the most and reap the most benefit i.e having less expenses

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Andrew Schultz talks about Nanette a little, "if she hated white men do much, why does she look like she's trying to be one...Manette" LOL

    [–]Jetirk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Women would peak at 15 if they were legal

    [–]Slicktorine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    He was only 5 foot 3 girls could not resist his stare

    [–]rebelioustomboy 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    Not trolling, merely clarifying: SMV does not equal a woman’s personal worth.

    Hannah Gatsby was not talking about SMV/RMV, but “prime” in the sense of life experiences, careers and societal standing(something that Rollo (he calls it personal worth) also clarifies in the myth of the alpha male. In her video, she does not talk about being more attractive/being a better partner at 40. Something she says about Marie-Thérèse Walter as well(as an 18 yo art student, she wouldn’t have been at the prime of her career by a long stretch).

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Men are visually oriented. While SMV is not a reflection of someone's value as a person, men aren't trying to bang a woman's career or integrity, etc. We like what we like, etc.

    Gatsby is trying to re-frame the discussion in a way that benefits post-WallSPLAT! women. It ain't happenin'.

    [–]rebelioustomboy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    OP's example is a misinterpretation of Gatsby's set. Not once did she say that men must find older women attractive because of who they are: she just took issue with an idea that if a woman is perceived to be at the peak of her sexual prime, it means that she has achieved full potential as a human being. Which, obviously isn't the case, and is something that TRP big-wigs concur with

    People like Gatsby are very happy to be post-Wall because they know that their post-Wall age also gives them social status: they are leaving behind a world where men would beat the shit out of them without a second thought, and would not pick them to be an object of their abusive love(also the fact that she's a homosexual woman means she isn't competing in the SMP). That makes Gantsby a very bad example for discussing how women's "hamster wheels start spinning".

    If anything, Gatsby's social position as a high-value older gay woman means she's aged like wine, and can pick up younger partners not unlike an older man.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    OP's example is a misinterpretation of Gatsby's set.

    Bear in mind that I didn’t just go find Hannah Gadsby and decide I wanted to (metaphorically, of course) beat her up; she was the lead in the article I was critiquing.

    Not once did she say that men must find older women attractive because of who they are: she just took issue with an idea that if a woman is perceived to be at the peak of her sexual prime, it means that she has achieved full potential as a human being. Which, obviously isn't the case, and is something that TRP big-wigs concur with

    To the contrary, she (as presented by the article’s author) disputed Picasso saying both he and his young lover were both “in their prime”. In order to do that, she has to reframe Picasso’s statement for her own purposes. Gadsby as a post-WallSPLAT! but ‘butch’ lesbian of some celebrity, may well be in her prime, but not as Picasso was reckoning it, thus any mischaracterization belongs to her.

    That makes Gantsby a very bad example for discussing how women's "hamster wheels start spinning".

    I didn’t choose her as an example in the first instance, although I do find it rather odd how concerned she is with who powerful straight men choose as lovers. Indeed, I noted her homosexuality and pondered why she would care who straight men are attracted to elsewhere in the comments.

    [–]rebelioustomboy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    So your post depends on an interpretation of Picasso's words, not Gatsby's?

    I hope that when you say 'mischaracterization', you are taking into account the kind of person Picasso was, and the historically accurate lens being used to describe his relationship with someone he damaged(I'm sure OP is well aware of all the people who signed his portraits in their blood(not just lovers), and how they all ended up). There aren't doubts about Picasso's problematic understanding of what a woman's personal worth was, so the example really doesn't work.

    Like any woman with basic concerns for the well-being of younger people, Gatsby is expressing her horror. As would any human who can empathize with being raped, beaten up, or both.

    I repeat: this example is not right for TRP members' interpretation of male-female relationships.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    So your post depends on an interpretation of Picasso's words, not Gatsby's?

    Again, I did not introduce Gadsby into the conversation. I thought it an odd choice, but I didn't write the article.

    That said, she mischaracterizes Picasso's meaning for her own purposes. Also odd that she personalizes it to herself, but hey, its her stand-up act.

    I repeat: this example is not right for TRP members' interpretation of male-female relationships.

    Thank you for your concern trolling. As I said, I didn't choose it. That further said, Gadsby is criticizing a long dead famous artist for her own purposes, not out of regard for his long dead lover(s).

    [–]rebelioustomboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you for the dismissive response and the ‘troll’ label.

    [–]QuintonRammedMyPage 6 points7 points  (22 children)

    I always thought Women peaked at around 25 and Men at around 35

    [–]1atticusfinch1973 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Depends on what you are talking about. In terms of earning potential men are usually just getting started at 35. Physique wise as a man (especially with enhancements like HGH) you can still get a killer body in your 40's and even 50's.

    It's also much easier to get into the top 20% of men the older you get because many men give up once they get married and have kids.

    [–]petallotus 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Depends how well you take care of yourself.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Women's SMV don't "peak". It starts at the very top from the moment they are sexually available, and stays there until 23, and then declines for the rest of their life.

    [–]PS2Errol 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I would argue it goes to zero when they hit they wall. After that they have no SMV for a lot of men. They are literally invisible or not registered.

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      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      They peak at 16 bro, that's when they're capable of bearing healthy children. It's all downhill from there.

      [–]Njevil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Finally some common sense

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 18 points19 points  (11 children)

      Why would women peak at 25 rather than 20? Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinions of course.

      [–]Merrimon -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

      Agree, I just posted this. Women in mid-20's are beyond their wild oats and wanderlust stage and focusing on wife stage. And men are more confident and financially stable, beyond the "young, dumb, and full of cum" stage. Generally it seems, there's always outliers.

      [–]naIamgood 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      If you are ugly at 20 chances are you be ugly at 50 regardless of being men or women.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      If only there was a forum that encouraged men to be the best version of themselves the could be. Oh, wait...

      [–]LuckyRedPill 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I think it was posted a few days ago

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Maybe so, but as it turns out, we also have more than one article on self-improvement.

      [–]aaaGreg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Woah dude, that’s radical

      [–]1-Fidelio- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Yes, it was then pointed out that it is a traddating website IIRC, so betadating and sugardaddies in practice

      [–]harsha_hs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Additional Fun fact :

      E. Fire is hot and water is wet

      [–]stat1490 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      This was good, but I think it leaves out important points. At what age is there the biggest gap? This doesn’t mean 50 year old men are being hit up by younger women.... I would think it’s more likely they are being hit up by women in their late 30’s and 40’s. Thoughts on this?

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I would think it’s more likely they are being hit up by women in their late 30’s and 40’s. Thoughts on this?

      They are evidently getting hit up by a lot of women, I would suspect clustered near their age because of how men and women trend.

      That said, if you're 40s-50s and you have your shit together and know what you're about, there will be plenty of women - including young ones - available to you.

      [–]stat1490 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      That’s good to hear from someone who has direct experience in the matter. I’m 27 now and pretty career focused. Question for you, and no offense.... a lot of times, the younger girls I see with older guys, all seem to be a certain type. How do you do with the fit, preppy, “classy” type girls?

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How do you do with the fit, preppy, “classy” type girls?

      You mean "Can I get 'hot' girls as an older guy?" Go read (or re-read) my "Older Men, Younger Women", article (linked in the body of the the post). Really, it's a question of qualifying the women based on who likes older men, and then selecting from that pool. There will be "preppy" girls in the pool. Ex. My OLTR1 is quite fit and looks sensational naked. She was 19 when I started getting her (I was 47). She likes what she likes, and her being hot (while attractive to me) doesn't factor into the equation.

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      [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      And new guys have arrived during those three months who need to read it. This subreddit isn't just for you.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      And yet, you keep reading it.

      [–]Betterthanuatlife 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      Agecel cope. The prime for men is between 23 to 30 when you are a balance between masculine and youthful. You think women find beer guts, wrinkles, and low testosterone levels attractive? Then you're delusional. And let us be completely real for a second, you are not going to be exceptional when you are in your 40's. You're not going to be a world famous artist, a successful musician, or the president of the united states. You're most likely going to be a factory worker who spends his days lamenting over his bad knee and reminiscing back to the glory days of high school football or whatever you did when you were young

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Agecel cope.

      Hey, I don't write the news, I just report it.

      The prime for men is between 23 to 30 when you are a balance between masculine and youthful.

      If one is only looking at the physical aspects of SMV, this would be accurate, although the margins could be argued.

      You think women find beer guts, wrinkles, and low testosterone levels attractive?

      So don't have a beer gut and take care of yourself.

      And let us be completely real for a second, you are not going to be exceptional when you are in your 40's. You're not going to be a world famous artist, a successful musician, or the president of the united states. You're most likely going to be a factory worker who spends his days lamenting over his bad knee and reminiscing back to the glory days of high school football or whatever you did when you were young

      Man. That's a rather bleak future. Also, to be exceptional one need not be "world famous" or POTUS, etc. Really, for most middle-aged guys to do well in their own age cohort, not being fat differentiates you. If you want to go younger then you need more going on. Hmm. If only there was a subreddit dedicated to self-improvement....

      [–]Betterthanuatlife -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      I'm just being completely realistic, I am just suggesting that most of us will end up becoming blue collar workers, despite our education, unless of course we were born into a wealthy household, that shit opens up way more doors than anything else will. Also on the whole beer gut stuff and taking car of yourself. A lot of men, will eventually start gaining weight, same stands for most women, as you get older your body gets worse, and your test is going to decrease as you grow older, this is also undebateable, unless of course you manage to convince your Doc to prescribe TRT which is getting increasingly more difficult the more steroids and masculinity get stigmatized and demonized. My dad doesn't eat to much junk, he eats three meals, bikes back and forth to work every day, and only has around 3 to 4 beers on the weekend, he is still obese. My mother has been working out and eating healthy her entire life, which she does to this day still, and nontheless she is still a bit overweight, both of my parents have pretty physically demanding jobs as well. You can't fight age, bro. Sorry to shit on your optimistic outlook but this is the unfortunate truth.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Oh, don't worry - my optimism is unaffected. Mostly because I'm 50 and have a pretty great life - because I planned it that way, and made it happy.

      You can either find reasons to succeed or excuses not to. Choose wisely.

      [–]Betterthanuatlife 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I work out pretty much every day with only a few breaks every once in a while, I have been active physically for 4 years, and the only reason why I was sedentary between ages 13 to 15 was early puberty ''muh no one understands me, muh fuck your beauty standards'' yeah all of that pathetic emo bullshit. Before that I had been playing soccer and practicing martial arts pretty actively, so yeah I'm 20 and for most of those years, aside from the puberty break, I've been pretty fit. I also eat healthier than most my peers who seem to be eating pizza every single day, I practice intermittent fasting every time I need to cut down weight, I read just about daily, and I am still pursuing an education and will try to get a job once I'm done. I also look a lot younger than I am, compared to many of my peers who look like they're on their way to 30, aside from that pathetic scruff on their faces that they should shave off which makes them look like they're dorky 15 year olds. I have no grand ambitions for my future, I just want to live a comfortable life with a well paying job. Yeah I'm doing all right sir.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      For a young, fit guy, you seem kind of salty. Just don't let your "realism" become "pessimism".

      [–]PhantomCowboy -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      "Women want brains. Men care less.

      Speaking of earning potential.."

      lmao SCIENCE!

      [–]kurdishpower01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      There is also enough studies where women don't care about brains but all about sexual attraction. But I'll get downvoted to hell for looking blackpilled

      [–]PhantomCowboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      "brains" is womanese for "loaded" XD

      [–]Jetirk -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      You're not writing a movie. You film movies. You write writings. With flow like this I bet you failed every academic essay your ever tried to write.

      [–]thadthawne2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      ....Have you ever heard of a script?(I'm serious)

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      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'm never triggered. But against boredom the gods themselves struggle in vain. You are free to click on other threads.

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