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Building PowerMeditations (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--

Ha, you thought this would be a post filled with philosophical musings din't you?

Don’t worry, I won’t bore you with my metaphysical insights, I ain’t no philosopher king (yet).

Instead, this post will actually just be about meditation.


Meditation is a very tricky topic, and can be incredibly confusing for those who don’t understand it or who are just starting out. You may have read a thousand different articles and posts claiming to explain meditation and still not get it. Everyone has their own different way of describing it, and they can be very contradictory and confusing. When I began to meditate I honestly didn’t know what the fuck I was doing and had a hard time for a while; eventually I stumbled on how to do it properly and I think I have the technique down, so would like to explain how I do it, in ways that really would have helped me had I read them as a noob.

But first, why meditate?


Every culture in history has had some form of meditation encouraged as a practice. It is a central part of Buddhism and Hinduism, Christians meditate in the morning and before bed, also sometimes before meals. Muslims meditate five times a day… why? Why is it that this practice has been evolutionarily conserved memetically throughout history? Why are we all encouraged to do it, and why has the western world dropped the practice entirely?

Now meditation has a lot of different purposes, I would not be able to write out an exhaustive list, but the main focuses and goals of meditation are:

• To improve the sense of self

• To raise mindfulness


Thoughts vs Self


An important point to internalise:

Your thoughts are not you.

Now this may be tricky to understand at first, but once it clicks it becomes very clear.

We are not our thoughts. A thought that you may have, for example “I need to study today” or “Leftists are deluded traitors” or “Lifting is good for your health” exists as its own entity. It is not a part of your consciousness, instead, it is an entity, a meme, a concept, that is held by your consciousness. Whenever you think a thing, you are bringing the thought into view and focusing on it, but that thought is not you, that thought is a thought.

Who are you then?

You are the thing experiencing the thought.


Imagine your mind as a web browser, your homepage blank, or a search engine. A thought would be a website that you open in a new tab. Each tab you open holds a different thought, and you can only focus on one tab at a time, you flip between them. But your websites are not the browser, the browser is the software that displays the websites. Your consciousness is the software that experiences the thoughts, they are not the same thing.

Now I have a really bad habit of never closing tabs and leaving them all open until I have a stream of them at the top of my page; I realise now that this is analogous to and stems from my tendency to keep all my thoughts floating about my head and flipping between them endlessly, even if they’re not important in that moment.

So what is meditation? Meditation is the act of closing all the tabs and returning to the home page…. So that you continue the day/browsing session in a cleaner and clearer browser.

You shut them all off one by one until you are left with the base software, just you. A good meditator has achieved the ability to just be themselves, without thoughts controlling or taking up their mindspace. Once you are able to just be you, your consciousness, as a blank slate, focusing on nothing entirely, well then we can achieve the next step: mindfulness.


Mindfulness


What is mindfulness? Mindfulness is described in many different places and literature, this is just the name we have for it at the moment: it used to be known as “being in the moment”, Aurelius called it “the directing mind”.

Mindfulness is the ability to experience the here and now without any kind of distraction, a mode of complete concentration and focus, a “flow” state.

You will achieve mindfulness sometimes without realising it; if you are flowing with something, like writing or making music or driving or even just washing the dishes and zoning out, what you’re doing is letting all your other thoughts die and focusing entirely on the task at hand.

Now this is vitally important, because men who can do this, and switch it on when required, achieve their tasks with 100% ability and effectiveness. If you are writing with nothing else taking up your mindspace, all of your creative ability and brain processing power can be directed at this task. This simply makes you better at it.

In fact mindfulness is more important in our current era than it ever was; people 100 years ago did not have so many distractions and vices and apps and social media competing for their time and attention. Our attention spans are weak and fragmented, we are unable to focus on anything for more than a few seconds… ever find yourself unable to watch a 10 minute youtube video without checking the comments below? Or scrolling through reddit post replies to get the TLDR of an article because you can’t be bothered to read the full thing?

Well it’s because you have no ability to focus on any one thing without having your attention stolen by a more stimulating thought (only to get bored of it very quickly too). You’re scrolling through the porn tabs in your browser trying to find the best one, never being satisfied with any of them. Every video has to be as good or better than your previous best, every article needs to be more eye-opening and life-changing than the ones before. We need perfection, we need large doses, big hits. We can't deal with just good-enough, or "a moderate dose".

A lot of us live our lives on autopilot mode; we let our thoughts and common habits dictate our actions and never think much about what we’re actually doing. We get up and brush our teeth and make breakfast in a kind of zombie mode, all while musing and mulling over stupid sit that isn’t important at that very moment, stressing about future events or re-living past ones.

Meditation takes this autopilot mode and switches it off. It flips the switch and gives you the wheel and says, “now drive, focus on nothing else”.

This gives you an immense source of power and ability, it puts you “in the moment” and your browser, your software, is able to experience emotions and tasks at a much deeper and effective level.

Things that never really mattered to you before or you didn’t even notice suddenly get amplified and you experience them so much better and joyfully. With no other dopamine sinks or distractions, you start to downregulate your dose of happiness and find meaning in simpler and smaller things.


You leave the house and have nothing to think about, nothing occupying your mindspace, so you actually notice the sun warming your face and the breeze on your skin; shit, this actually feels kind of nice, a small burst of nostalgia for summer days in the park as a kid… it makes you feel slightly better about the day.

You’re driving your car and you feel this sudden one-ness with the vehicle, like you’re the same entity, the way you can manipulate it and swerve and glide with the slightest touch… wow, this is incredible…. I have so much power in my control…

You’re with your plate, and you’re thinking about nothing else, not work, no other girls, not whether you’re going to have sex later or not, just being with her. Suddenly her eyes seem brighter, her laugh, that you’ve heard a thousand times before, much more endearing and energising, her skin softer, the feminine aura around her nurturing and warm. She hasn’t done anything different, hasn’t changed… you’re just experiencing her better. Loving her more.

Imagine going throughout your whole day like this, with simple, easy interactions impressing and astounding you, that you wouldn’t have even bothered with before. Like a child, the whole world takes on a magical wonder, and you find happiness and meaning in everything.

These are known as “peak experiences”. Moments in your day that just make you feel on top of the world, make you feel so happy for being born and existing, make the world feel much less cruel and more welcoming.

You see those Buddhists with enigmatic smiles on their face, utterly at peace, or those damn hippies rolling around in the grass giggling like children; well now we know what they’re feeling….it would be nice to feel this way too right? …


So how do you do it then? How do you become more mindful? How do you achieve more peak experiences?

Because up until now, I’ve told you why people meditate, I’ve told you what it can achieve, and I’ve made you aware of the experiences of people who can do it, but I haven’t actually taught you how. Here, I’ll show you. This is my method; I’ve taken the things I’ve been taught, from literature and reddit posts and the Headspace app, and developed my own method, tweaked from experience.


The Method


Firstly, you have to do it twice a day.

Some people say once a day is enough but I don’t think so. I think you need to do it once in the morning and once in the evening. Why? Because your first one, at the start anyway, will almost always be a “fail” meditation, and your second will be the “proper” one, or sometimes vice versa. You will fail a lot in your first few tries, maybe even your first few weeks. This is to be expected. No one turns up at the gym and squats 100kg first go. You will be doing it wrong at the beginning, you just gotta push through this in order to get to the real meditation.

After you’ve actually started doing it properly, you will continue to do it twice a day. The morning meditation will be your “get ready for the day” meditation; closing all your tabs from the day before or you opened while asleep, and clearing out for a fresh new browsing session. Your evening meditation will be your “wrapping up the day” meditation; closing all your tabs you opened during the day, and preparing your browser for a good sleep session.

You will meditate for 20 minutes, or 15 minutes minimum. Some people say 10 minutes but I don’t think that’s enough… for beginners 10 minutes is the amount of time it takes just to settle down into the start of something effective, the warm up.

If doing nothing for 20 minutes seems terrifying for you, because you cannot even make it through a 20 minute TV show without checking facebook/reddit…. Then you definitely need to start meditating. You may feel like you’re wasting a bunch of time and that’s really what’s putting you off… you could be doing something better after all… but 20 minutes is nothing compared to the rest of the day, you spend more time jerking off. Force yourself to do 20 minutes, even if it seems scary at first. Eventually, 20 minutes will feel like absolutely nothing, and you’ll start wanting to spend more time.

Pick a place where you won’t be distracted by anything.

So no TV on in the background or people talking in another room. It can get really annoying. I’m a big fan of spots with an air con humming away, or even a washing machine, it can be really soothing; some people like to use white noise while meditating, or binaural beats, which I’ve found to be really useful as well, or 432/528hz tones. Don’t ask me why they work but they do, at least for me anyway. There’s just something about them that puts me at ease.

Okay, now for the actual process itself.


Sit in a chair or on your sofa, hands wherever, it doesn’t really matter. Some say keep palms facing up, but ideally just sit in a way that’s comfortable enough that it’s not distracting, and you don’t constantly think about how uncomfortable it is. No need to do a crazy lotus posture or anything, that’s too advanced for you at the moment. Some people lie down while meditating, but I find when I do that I just end up falling half asleep. You need to be focused for this.

Next, close your eyes, and take some really deep breaths, in through the nose and out through the mouth. Deep enough so that you can actually hear yourself breathing, and someone else near you could too. Your abdomen should fill with every breath in, and you should imagine, when you breath out, you’re breathing out all the bad shit from the day; in a physical and spiritual sense. Imagine all the smoke and particulates and dust that’s entered your lungs being expelled, and also all the worries and anxieties and anger being blown out with it. Eventually you’ll settle into normal nose breathing, but slightly deeper than you’re used to.

Your mind should be racing at the moment, that’s normal. You’re probably thinking about a lot of random bullshit. Most meditation guides will move on from this point and tell you to begin focus, but what I’ve been doing is taking around 2-3 mins to actually just think about the things that are bothering me. I find if I get all this thinking out of the way first, it doesn’t nag at me later on during the focus. I allow the thoughts to do their dance in my head for a while and then I start.

Now what you want to do is pick one thing and focus on it entirely, think about nothing else except that one thing. You’re training your concentration after all, just like a muscle. This won’t be easy, especially if you’re new to it. Some people pick a chant or phrase or prayer, and repeat it over and over, some people count to 10 and loop that; 1 on the in breath, 2 on the out breath and so on. Some people make a sound and zone in on it (this is where you hear the Buddhist “om”). If you’re playing a binaural beat or frequency, you can try and get lost in it entirely. But the most common focus that most people will use and is probably the easiest is to focus on the breath.

Direct your mind entirely on the breath and…. become the breath. Be nothing else except the rise and fall, the expansion of the body, the feeling of the air travelling in and out, the small pause in between. Don’t think about it… be it.

At first, your mind will still be full of thoughts, each time you catch yourself thinking about something… tell it to fuck off. Silence it.

Erase it.

This really won’t be easy at first, especially if you’re new. You’ll be thinking about everything and anything, and most commonly you’ll be thinking:

“Am I doing this right?”

“Shit I don’t know what the fuck I’m doing”

“How do people do this?”

“I’m just an imposter” “Maybe I’m just not the kind of person who can do this”

“I don’t get it”

This is very normal. Just actively remove these thoughts from your head. Some people say allow them to glide in and out, don’t be forceful. I find that I do better if I’m strict with them and zap them as soon as I notice they’re there.

You want to try and achieve periods of nothingness for as long as possible; at first it may only be 1 second each time, maybe you’re a natural and get 3 or 4, but really at the beginning your silent periods will be very short. As you get better at it you will have longer and longer silences, and each time they will probably be broken by “shit I’m actually doing it properly… aww fuck”.

At points you may accidentally zone out and end up on a train of thought that lasts for a few minutes, and you’ll catch yourself eventually and think “oh shit I just fucked up for ages”. That’s fine, just go back to the breath. Each time you catch a thought, just go back to the breath. Remember, you are you, not your thoughts. Your thoughts are just imposters in your head, your goal is to remove them until you’re back to base blank slate.

Continue doing this until your 20 minute alarm goes off.

That’s it really. Not too crazy right?


Alternate and Warm-Up Meditations


Now this isn’t the only way to meditate, but it’s the most common one people use. There are a lot more you can do, and in fact, I’ll give you some things to try that might help you get into the right mindset required for proper meditation, and warm you up.

1) Book Meditation

Sit outside in a crowded public place, like a train station, bench in a park, or supermarket. Grab a book. Read the book. You’ll find quickly you’re getting distracted by the stimulating things around you. When someone walks too close you’ll instinctively look up to see them, your dick radar will hone in on all the pretty girls, people may have loud conversations around you. Ignore it all, try and focus on the book. Get lost in the book. Zone out of everything around you and create your own little bubble, you should focus entirely on the words on the page and get absorbed in the writing. It’s not easy, especially with the stimulation around you, but try and practice this 10 minutes every day. I was really bad at this at first, I couldn’t read unless I had silence and comfort. Some might be naturals, see what you can do.

2) Music Meditation

I used to listen to music wherever I went. If I was commuting I’d have my headphones on rap, if I was at the gym I’d blast heavy metal, during study time, Lofi hip hop mix - Beats to Relax/Study to.

If I forgot my headphones sometimes I’d get really anxious and crave the music. This is when I began to realise I was hooked onto the comfort music provided, and was using it as a cheap dopamine sink. Miraculously at around the same time as that realisation, I lost my headphones entirely. They were nice headphones too. I considered buying a new pair, but then got the message and decided I would try and just go about my life, walking, eating, travelling, studying, lifting, without any music. Like NoFap, but NoMusic.

It was hard at first, and I got the withdrawal symptoms, but after downregulating those receptors I found myself going about my day much more mindfully, as I was actually just “in the moment” more and not lost in the music.

Now when I actually listen to music, I make music the TASK, instead of a background accompaniment. I lay down and put the song on and really focus on the song, no browsing or texting during. I try to get lost in the song and let it envelope me, actively listening to it. This not only helped me appreciate the music more, but allowed me to fall for genres that required more concentration to “get”, that didn’t need to overload me with dopamine hooks and bridges and drops to keep me invested, and I otherwise would not have given a chance to before.

3) Lifting Meditation

On that note, once I stopped listening to music at the gym, I found I lifted better. I started focusing much more on the actual act of lifting itself, and the movements, my form, my muscles, how the blood travelled in my body. If you “get into the zone” while you lift, and don’t use music as a pump-up, but instead focus on your body and its intricacies and the way it works while you perform your music, you may find you’re able to push through a harder workout than you did before.

So put away the song or the podcast. Put your phone in your locker and don’t scroll Instagram in between sets. Really just focus on the weights. If you find you can’t drown out the chart garbage your gym sadly pumps out, use your headphones and try white noise or ambient tones to drown it out. Don’t fragment your attention.


So how do I know if I’m actually doing it properly?


The first few times, in fact for some people the first few days or weeks, you will pretty much fail each time.

Do not give up. It is normal and important to not be very good at it to begin with. In fact, you’re actually making background progress without realising. Just like lifting, keep going twice a day every day, learn the movements and proper form, and then eventually you’ll actually begin lifting heavy.

Now, there are a few things that will happen that will clue you into the fact you’re getting somewhere, and actually astound you at first, most people are amazed they can achieve this shit without drugs, I call them, headaches, layers, the buzz, and fractals. Bear in mind a few things before I explain this though:

These are identifiers that you’ve hit a kind of “advanced mode”. For some people, this will never happen. I don’t know why, because this happened to me very quickly once I started meditating. I have some suspicions as to why, and will discuss them later.

If you don’t get any of these phenomena, that doesn’t mean you’re not doing the meditation properly or you’re not seeing benefits. There are those that never get these yet still reap massive benefits. I can only speak from experience though, meditation is a deeply personal thing, and this is what I’ve noticed.

Do not go into the meditation with the purpose of reaching these states. You must enter each meditation with no expectations, go in completely blank, expecting nothing. If you force yourself to try and feel a certain way, you will block yourself off indefinitely.

Headaches

Over time, as you start achieving longer periods of silence, you feel a slight tension behind your eyes or at your temples that can gradually get almost painful. I initially placed this down as just an anomaly or dehydration, but when it started happening every time I meditated, and when eventually the ache would spread up my temple into the middle of my forehead… well then I couldn’t deny it. As you progress, the pressure will almost certainly focus itself in the middle of your forehead and sometimes deep in the front-centre of your brain, there’s not really much I can say to explain it except… the hippies are probably right, this third eye shit is real.

Layers

So as you’re staring at the inside of your eyes you will be looking at a dark reddish/pinkish glow, or black if you’re in the dark. Eventually, during periods of silence, you may find yourself falling into differing layers of darkness. Now this is not easy to explain at all, but you almost definitely will experience it; it feels almost like a wave washes over your vision and you’re staring at a slightly darker shade of red or black, except the colour hasn’t actually changed, you’ve just kind of gone deeper into yourself; in fact it may feel like you’re retreating away from your eyes and falling into your brain. This will happen again and again through multiple layers, slowly at first but then quicker and rapidly as you get better at it. You may only go through layer 1 or 2 at first, and it may be difficult and slow, eventually you can hit multiple rapid layers and going through 1 and 2 is easy and natural and you’ll wonder how you ever had trouble before. The layers will get deeper and deeper, and when you lose focus you may go backwards and have to make the journey back.

Buzz

The deeper you fall into the layers, the more you’ll feel a low, deep hum, or buzz, wash over your body. You may also feel as if your head or whole body has began to vibrate. It’s the same psychedelic buzz you get when you’ve taken a strong dose of mushrooms, and it can drown out the rest of the noise around you until it’s your everything. I have pretty bad tinnitus and it was very distracting when I began to meditate, until I realised I could incorporate the tinnitus whistle into my focus and it became part of the buzz.

Fractals

As you fall deeper into the layers they will start to move rapidly, and shapes will begin to form in the darkness. At first they will be blurry and undefined; kind of like when you accidentally stare at the sun and get a blurry pink spot in your eye for a few seconds before it dissipates. Like that, but over and over again in the darkness. These shapes will be shitty concentric circles or squares or pentagons or whatever, just as if they were drawn by a kid, and they will sink away into the distance and shrink into nothingness only to be replaced by bigger ones taking their place and repeating. It will feel as if you are travelling through a tunnel slowly.

Eventually, these shapes will begin to solidify and become more regular and intricate, the tunnel will travel faster and patterns will begin to emerge… and eventually different colours. It’s actually astounding and very beautiful. If you’ve ever done a psychedelic it’s exactly the same as closed eye visuals, it seems the psych just skips the first hundred or so layers and throws you right into astral spacetravel mode. When I used to hear that people could achieve these states through meditation I didn’t believe them, but now I’m totally on board. I’m not able to do it that well yet, and my fractals are still weak and shitty, but the fact that I even can do this, completely sober, is really amazing to me. Sometimes, you’ll get a closed eye vision, like a face or a location, or even hear voices that are almost definitely not yours, sometime gibberish, sometimes snippets of conversation. I imagine this is how remote viewers do their thing. When this started happening I began taking the meditation more and more seriously and am now pretty dedicated to it. If I have the ability to make myself trip twice a day, I totally will.


"But Heathcliff, I’ve been meditating for years and I’ve never experienced this, surely you are wrong?"


Maybe I am. I'm not sure. I definitely experience these things though. I think it may have to do with a few things: 1) I used to do deep dose psychedelic drugs and 2) I use fluoride free toothpaste….

Try meditating while drunk or high one time and see if you can achieve layers or fractals. Also try cutting out fluoride for at least half a year, and, if you’re serious, attempting other pineal decalcification methods. See if your results change then.


So that’s it, my guide on meditation. It’s not hocus pocus bullshit and it genuinely does help; you feel more in control of your life, time gets slower, people become more interesting and the days turn out better. I’d like you to try it, for a week at least. Don’t give up as soon as it gets hard or boring; attempt it properly for a week and see where you get to, you might find that switching off your autopilot twice a day is enough to give you control of your anxiety and procrastination, or you might find yourself blasting off into astral planes and meeting ethereal entities. Who knows.


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[–]2chazthundergut 39 points40 points  (8 children)

TLDR-

Find a comfortable, quiet place to sit. For ten minutes, focus on your breath. If your mind wanders (which it will) acknowledge what's on your mind, let it go, and return to your breathing.

Meditation can be life-changing. And that is how you start.

Good luck boys.

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    [–]2chazthundergut 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Reduced anxiety. Lowered my blood pressure. Made me more present in the moment. Helped me climb in my career, stay relaxed in meetings. Taught me how to stay present and relaxed during sex, which increased my stamina and improved sex overall.

    [–]sadshark 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    It's hard to even put it in words.

    I've only been meditating for 4 months, daily 20 minutes without missing a single day.

    When I first started it was one of the most terrifying experiences. My thoughts were all negative (dont wanna go into detail but we all have skeletons in our closets. Imagine all of them coming out at you in rapid succession in 20 minutes... all of them). My body was shaking uncontrollably all over. Now, I can't say for certain, but all trash in the brain can:t be good for you to carry all day. Meditation deletes all that crap, literally. That doesnt mean it wipes your memory, but instead it wipes your attachment to those memories and negative thoughts, letting them be as they are... memories, images, not feelings. It may be hard to grasp what I'm trying to say without experiencing it.

    Now, onto how it actually helped me: it literally changed my life moreso than anything else I've done in my 33 years. You will hear this again and again from every meditator, yet a lot of people ignore it and believe 'it can't be so, they are exaggerating".

    1) I used to lie for no reason. I would flourish every story with unnecessary trash that wasnt true.

    2) Whenever i experince a negative thought, i am able to consciously analyze it and resolve it instead of letting it dictate how I feel. We are bombarded daily with thoughts and experiences. It's a very liberating feeling to be in the driver seat of your emotions.

    3) My awareness has increased immensely. The simple act of walking down the street is no longer just about covering distance. It is now, instead, filled with events. It may sound hippie and new-age crap, but a 10 minute walk is filled with wonders instead of boredom. The sun, that dog taking a shit, that girl's dress flowing so elegantly against her legs, that businessman rushing visibly in a state of anxiety, the sun on my back, this breeze that just grazed my ankle... and I can go on and on. I guess this is what people say when they say being present in the moment.

    4) Focus. Contradictory to the above point, where I let myself experience every little thing, when I need to focus on something my attention is undivided. It's like a superpower. Nothing distracts me, my brain is all-in in the task I'm focusing on. Be it work, or a new skill, or a conversation. When talking to girls, because that's why most people here are for, you no longer think about her beauty, or how she will respond, or what someone from the exterior thinks, or what if you're rejected and so on. Instead you are fully immersed in the conversation, in the act of talking and 'brain-interfacing' with the other person. That presence you show is mind-blowingly powerful to the other person. You are unmoved by their beauty, or by their money, or status or power.

    5) Courage. Courage is not lack of fear. It's being afraid but doing it anyway. I no longer run away from fear. I embrace that motherfucker and fuck its mother and its sister in the ass while smiling in its face. "What you gonna do, motherfucker?! That's right... nothing, you can't control me".

    6) Discipline. Meditating, especially in the beginning is hard as fuck. But you do it. You train your brain to do it even when it doesnt want to. The feeling of 'not wanting' doesnt stop your body from sitting and meditating. You are no longer controlled by 'wants' and 'not wants'. You put your left leg in front of the right and do it.

    7) Calm, peace, happiness. We encounter stressful events daily. It's amazing when you can just reset immediately after the event with a simple breath and push through it with breeze. Come to think of it, I have zero stressful events in my life. Is it because there really are none or is it because my perception of what a stressful event is? I really dont know.

    Bottom line, meditation should be a skill that should be taught to kids before writing and there should be PSAs on TV about meditating 20 minutes a day. That's how powerful it is and you are mad if you don't start meditating after reading everything I just typed. But, don't expect it to be easy. Sounds easy 'sit like an idiot and just focus on your breath'. It's not, it's actually passively fighting with your subconscious and your conscience trying to win an unwinnable fight. But you keep doing it, and eventually your conscience will win... not everytime, but sometimes. And those wins are life changing.

    [–]GuruDev1000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Bottom line, meditation should be a skill that should be taught to kids before writing

    Funny. I remember being told to focus on my breath when I was around 12 years old, in school. This would be by the principal, when she would come to the class because the teacher was absent and the principal has nothing better to do with us that period.

    But, in spite of being studious and curious about things, I didn't know that focus on the breath a spiritual practice (I am Catholic) or that something so dead simple could benefit us immensely. It took me years of struggles and failures to truly appreciate what meditation can do, in my mid-20s.

    So, I think meditation shouldn't be taught in school. It should just be mentioned about here and there. Let people come to it on their own accord, and they will appreciate it better.

    [–]bot256 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I have been trying this exactly as you explain it but I still struggle with the part of "let it go". How do you do that - the only way I could re-focus on my breathing is by forcing myself to do it. It doesn't feel like a subtle "let go" and rather like a forceful exertion of my will/mind to regain focus and this takes actual effort - not sure if that's what I should be doing or if it's the exact opposite but if I am not doing it my mind will never stop wandering.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What you're doing is fine, don't doubt yourself too much. As you improve it will feel like less of an effort.

    [–]lawrencewidman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    there is only one meditations - marcus auruleius

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 24 points25 points  (12 children)

    Over time, as you start achieving longer periods of silence, you feel a slight tension behind your eyes or at your temples that can gradually get almost painful.

    This has nothing to to with the meditative state itself, it's all physiology. Don't think that if you have these symptoms it's a sign of "your free spirit fighting against the dark forces trying to enslave it by calcifying your amygdala". If you have these symptoms or similar ones, you are doing one of 3 things:

    • tensing your muscles. Eyes have muscles too, so does the head - try doing meditation with your eyes closed and head resting on pillow behind you, see if it helps. Focus on relaxing and "turning off" your eyes and it's muscles, humans are used to have eyes working non stop and giving input so much it's almost unnatural state for the eyes not to move twitch when not sleeping. In extreme cases use an armchair that allows you to relax completely or even a bed, at least to start and see the difference. In this case the goal would be to, step by step, focus on feeling EVERY muscle group in your body and observe if they are completely relaxed and in no tension. You can visualise "measuring" that by imagining you're breathing into each part of your body (feet, lower legs, upper legs, lower abdomen upper abdomen etc.)

    • you're trying to force meditative state by imagining it or visualising what you SHOULD be doing and comparing it to what you ARE doing. This is not going to work, you can't force it, you can only "let go into it", so to speak. If you're starting , focus not on length but on form first, then progressively add 1 minute to the timer.

    • you're meditating with wrong posture or in the wrong place. Don't do the "crossed legs sitting position", this is not yoga, nor do crossed legs with your palms open and resting on knees will make you meditate better, this is not going to make you "vibrate with cosmic energy better". Sit on a chair, keep your posture straight but don't force perfect straight line from the spine and head. If you relax your muscles (and you will) it's not possible not to slouch a bit.

     

    Set your priorities straight: you're either focusing on mediation or on trying to maintain proper position, in which case you're not doing meditation, your're doing yoga that's followed by an attempt to meditate in more demanding conditions. It's not "bad form" per se, it's just trying to learn how to drive a race truck without being able to ride a bike. Sources: been there done that, I've been meditating 20-30 min/day for the most part of last 5 years or so.

     

    Layers

    in fact it may feel like you’re retreating away from your eyes and falling into your brain.

    This is psychosomatic. The same thing happens when you're falling asleep, the famous falling down/backwards into sleep. This is most likely the effect of toning down the input of your sense followed by lack of movemen which is interpreted by the body as similar steps when you're going to sleep.

    This will happen again and again through multiple layers,

    This is an illusion. You follow the steps of falling aleep without actually falling asleep, then you repeat the proces multiple times.

    If this happens too often you're "meditating" yourself to sleep, you're relaxing deeply, not mediating. Start meditating with eyes opened and stare at specific point on the blank wall (pick a dot or something to keep the same spot so your eyes don't wander). The goal is to remain conscious and observant without being disturbed by external input whatsoever, not to just "space out".

    Buzz

    It’s the same psychedelic buzz

    Most of the buzz comes from your body sending input to your brain, which usually is drowned by what your primary senses send. Imagine you have several TVs playing and you turn them off. You will interpret the nearby fan humming as psychedelic b/c you cannot comprehend that the fan was there all the time b/c you've never listened ar looked for it. This is not psychedelic experience, this is, for the lack of a better term selective focus which you are exercising via meditation.

    Fractals

    Dispense with the new age mumbo jumbo. All that is the brain interpreting what your eyes can see when your eyelids are closed. You don't turn off the eyes by closing the eyelids, you simply cut off external input. What remains is "internal" signals, most of it is RANDOM noise generated by your body and interpreted by the brain b/c the brain CANNOT stop interpreting even in deep meditative state and that's b/c it's the deepest part of out nervous system you cannot control (if your consciousness is an app, the thing I'm talking about is your CMOS running the computer hardware). This is NOT an enlightening, spiritual experience, this is psychosomatic effects at work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entoptic_phenomenon), plus I'm pretty sure nerves can fire their own impulses via residual charges or something of that nature.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 6 points7 points  (11 children)

    You can explain it away with science jargon all you want, but that doesn't make it untrue. You can't deny the subjective qualia of anyone else's experience, you've never been them.

    I've had the fractals open-eyed, staring at a floor, completely sober. I know I had them, it wasn't a trick of the light, it wasn't me forcing the interpretation I was seeking.

    The materialist world-view is not the capital-t, Truth. There is much, more more to the universe. It is incredibly arrogant to think we have all the answers now and there is nothing more left to discover. If you blindly trust everything the government and their scientists force into you, then you'll be lost forever. It's just deeper bluepill thinking.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 4 points5 points  (9 children)

    You can't deny the subjective qualia of anyone else's experience

    I can deny it's an objective spiritual experience.

    I've had the fractals open-eyed, staring at a floor, completely sober. I know I had them, it wasn't a trick of the light, it wasn't me forcing the interpretation

    Doesn't mean the fractals were actually there.

    Find a blank wall. Find a spot on the wall. Start staring at it for 5-10 minutes, focus only on the spot. In the corners of your eyes you'll see that suddenly things that were motionless start moving. You'll see shapes that aren't there, you'll see random stars like when you're punched or light headed. This is physiology and brain at work, nothing is moving in reality, there are no lights in reality.

    Close your eyes, put your fingers over the eyes and apply pressure, you can also squeeze the eyelids really hard. You'll see lights and shapes. That's b/c you change what the eye "sees" by changing the blood pressure and the pressure on the nerves. The brain than interprets these signals simply b/c he HAS to interpret them, it has no will of it's own not to acknowledge that input.

    Put your hands over your ears. Apply slight pressure. You'll hear a hum, like a waterfall behind a wall, like standing in a tunnel way below a busy street when you can't hear the engines but you can hear the sound they make when they drive on the street. There is no waterfall, there are no cars, the hum is just your bloodflow being heard by your ears and being interpreted by the brain.

    Finally close our eyes and cover them with something that will allow you to cut off all external light. You'll start seeing lights, shapes, moving images. Doesn't mean they are there, doesn't mean you're communing with spirits. Your eyes don't stop working when that are closed. It's just that the parts of your eyes that are responsible for receiving and transmitting the signals to brain can only see their own input that usually is drowned under the external signals.

    I was seeking.

    You were seeking to believe in something you wanted to believe in b/c it has meaning to you.

    The materialist world-view is not the capital-t, Truth.

    No, it's not The TruthTM, b/c truth is a philosophical concept. Instead, the "materialist" world view is the reality. What you're talking about, what your CHOOSING to believe, is super-natural. Seeing fractals (sacred geometry in another form) b/c you rubbed your eyes or took shrooms is highly unlikely way to access the supposed spiritual dimension.

    Also "materialist" is simply a shaming tool round these parts.

    There is much, more more to the universe

    Yeah and doing the absurdly trivial thing of taking shrooms allows you to commune with the spirit of the universe. Don't be ridiculous.

     

    You can explain it away with science jargon all you want

    You can deny it all you want, there's nothing "spiritual" there, it's all psychosomatic. You can choose to believe otherwise, but you damn well know that it's a choice of interpretation not a real thing. IOW it's hamstering b/c you want to believe, perhaps even need to.

    [–]BurnoutRS 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Whether or not the experience exists in the reality generated by the perceivers mind or it is an experience that can be shared by a collective and this part of the "real" world, is irrelevant in this case.

    I find the scientific/biological interpretation for why we see strange patterns and "fractals" when our eyes are closed to be as beautiful as the experience of seeing them. What defines a real spiritual experience? If I believe to be experiencing something profound and otherworldly, what distinguishes this from being a real spiritual experience?

    Should there be some kind of real spirit? I cant personally say that I know what that is. It doesnt make any sense to speak with such absoluteness about these things. Ive taken psychedelics many times. Though my experiences were not actually "real" in the sense that they occured anywhere outside my mind, it doesnt diminish the benefit the experience had for me.

    Ive meditated before and seen nothing, once or twice Ive felt as though all the darkness faded away and was replaced with a blissful white light. I have no idea wtf that was or how to acchieve that state again. We know so little about the human brain. Many of the interpretations our ancestors had, the ways they tried to figure out the world, were religious and spiritual in nature. A good example would be the links found between ancient indian and chinese medical practices and their interpretative healing processes, and modern medical science.

    Psychedelic drug use played a huge role in influencing culture around the world. My point being that if someone tripped balls, thought there might be some system of energies flowing through the body and then later scientists discover theres actually more to that then we originally thought...

    Ultimately it takes a balance for the world to work smoothly. Sometimes I like to forget everything I know about psychology and why I enjoy something, and just enjoy it. Mindless entertainment. Then other times I like to pick things apart. Ive had near death experiences where I found solace in prayer and then later reasoned that at times the idea of god is quite a useful tool in comforting oneself and bringing about a more rational state of mind. Some enjoy the spiritual and mystical aspect of meditation, others seek to find a scientific explanation for its benefits and the transcendental states people claim to acchieve. As I said before I think both are equally interesting. Why limit yourself to only one interpretation of the world?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    IOW you don't care whether it's a real thing or not, what matters to you is what you choose to believe it is.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    Have you experienced fractals before? I think we may be talking about two different things.

    Doesn't mean the fractals were actually there.

    They were actually there, because I experienced them. You can't deny experience, that's the only thing we have.

    What you're arguing is their source; you claim it's just a somatic malfunction, I claim that that is a cheap blanket rationalisation that can be used to discount any unexplained phenomenon. "Oh, doesn't fit in with current scientific understanding? It's just a malfunction of the brain then" There, easy. Case closed. No need to explore any further. It's so lazy, so cheap, so arrogant. Have you considered that maybe those who are invested in hiding further knowledge from you have taught you these catch-all dismissals to keep you blind?

    I study Neuroscience, sure, only at an undergraduate level, so nothing that substantial, but enough to know, from study, that we don't know shit. We really know only half as much as we think we do, and even that half is kind of shady and always being reworked. And especially in the field of neuropsychology, we're literally just starting out, to pretend we have all the answers now is madness.

    "The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

    Nikola Tesla.

    I was at your point, not too long ago. It's spiritual immaturity, a denial out of fear, like a teenage-boy bucking against his father's advice (who always turns out right in the end), a point that many men find themselves stuck in and might never break out of. This crippling materialist nihilism, it's not noble nor is it edgey, it's just another lie you've gladly swallowed because it makes you feel smart. You have all the answers already, no need to keep seeking truth.

    Dismissing others, and their experiences, doesn't then make your explanation more correct. It's just a dismissal out of contempt, not argument; it's not that you don't believe because of the science, more, you don't believe first and foremost, then you use the science to rationalise it. Even without any knowledge of the science at all, you wouldn't have believed it. Why? What makes you so averse to it? What angers you about it?

    And it's arrogant, it's narcissistic. I bet you also deny those who've had religious or near-death experiences, and your gut feelings are nothing but hormonal fluctuations either. You won't grow further until you've overcome this new, larger wall, and I know it's difficult, and quite painful, but it will never happen if you keep fighting against it. A true sceptic doesn't deny everything, he believes everything. He gives everything a shot, a chance.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

    Aristotle

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    I study Neuroscience

    Name a credible source that ascribes seeing the "fractals" to spiritual, non-physical realm. Do that just after you stop shaming me like a woman for not believing in your story.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Credible means nothing when those with "credibility" are actively seeking to hide this information from you. It is their task to obscure it. Anyone who ventures into this field loses all "credibility". Credibility to you means anyone who agrees with your science, as soon as they divert from the accepted norm, you will deem them incredible.

    I do not blindly worship scientists the way you do, I trust them about as much as I trust the media.

    There are other ways to reach Truth, the scientific method is one of them, but it is not the only one.

    And yeah I'll shame you because you're still at the teenage fedoralord interpretation of the world, with all the arrogant, cringey know-it-all-ness that comes with it.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Credible means nothing when those with "credibility" are actively seeking to hide this information from you.

    Right, all the scientists are collectively conspiring to withhold proof or spiritual realm existing. Get real.

    There are other ways to reach Truth, the scientific method is one of them, but it is not the only one.

    Sure, name some meaningful things that were not invented or discovered by science?

    And yeah I'll shame you because you're still at the teenage fedoralord interpretation of the world, with all the arrogant, cringey know-it-all-ness that comes with it.

    Instead perhaps post some reasonable arguments, evidence, proof etc. Shaming is not going to change anyone's mind.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Right, all the scientists are collectively conspiring to withhold proof or spiritual realm existing. Get real.

    This is true. As well as our history being vastly different to what they claim it is. As well as them hiding technology that we couldn't even dream of. You might not believe it, but that doesn't stop it being true.

    It's not your run of the mill university researcher who's hiding this from you, they're just as blind as we are. It's those at the top, who fund the institutions, who run the journals, who supply the money for the research... they decide what's credible or not. They determine what we're allowed to know, what gets released to the public, what we're allowed to research, and what is deemed "kooky" and "unscientific".

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”

    Noam Chomsky

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is true.

    Provide proof or evidence that all scientists are conspiring to hide the truth of real spiritual realm existing. Tangible evidence of malicious intent, leaked data or studies that are not shown to public, etc.

    [–]DamiensLust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Heathcliff man I really like you but JamesSkepp has really made you look like a woman in this little debate.

    [–]iknowthewhey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've had the fractals open-eyed, staring at a floor, completely sober. I know I had them, it wasn't a trick of the light, it wasn't me forcing the interpretation I was seeking.

    I have experienced the same. I have done psychedelics in the past and sometimes experience psychedelic visuals and fractals while 100% sober. Mostly have experienced this while hunting in the woods or in an extremely relaxed almost meditative state. I find that when my mind is clear and I have high levels of concentration such as when I am hunting I am able to almost turn these visuals on and off on rare occasions. I have a theory that this has something to do with evolution and primitive hunting because it is clearly an advantage but I really have no idea and haven't read up on the subject. Being able to be in a primal focused trance with enhanced colors and tunnel vision would make it much easier to hunt or fight. I do agree that this is something more to it than what current science can explain.

    I am going to get more into meditating after reading this. Been only meditating 10 minutes in the morning and 10 in the evening. Going to bump it up now and see if I have similar experiences.

    [–]Appex1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Great post, Heathcliff!

    I've been using flouride free toothpaste for years and I definitely feel a tingling sensation at the "third eye", however, I never managed to open it up. Now my question is if guided meditations are equally powerful as non-guided ones. Do I experience different benefits from doing the meditation completely on my own than having a background voice guiding me and telling me what to do?

    [–]thisdyyd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'm positively surprised to see this kind of discussion in this sub. This is the real self improvement .

    However about your question.. if you feel those tingles around your third eye it's good. But what are you expecting? To be launched into another dimension .? What makes you think that it is still closed? There are so many areas it effects actually. Have you noticed anything? Increased intuition or artistic capabilities for example?

    [–]SoulRedemption 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I'm going to throw my two cents in here by recommending the app "Headspace".

    [–]reyaan7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Gurdjieff's self-remembering meditation technique is one of the best. Anyone who has self esteem issues, this technique is good for them.

    [–]Gruss_p 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Or you can practice "power of now" like Eckhart Tolle is teaching. It's basically a meditation while you are doing some simple task (walking, cutting and preparing food, cleaning your shoes..). Point is to "not think". I used to do meditations but then I tried walking in nature and "be present" like Eckhart Tolle is speaking about it -> never go back to the dull sitting on a chair with closed eyes repeating some shitty mantra.

    [–]1-Fidelio- 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Everybody knows what good meditation feels like.

    When you're doing a mario speed run or you're flicking your hearthstone cards without even needing to think about it, you're in a meditative state.

    When you're cleaning the floor in your house or working on the garden and time seems to fly, you're in a meditative state.

    When you're reading a book page after page and absorbing it without needing to stop and think, you're in a meditative state.

    Everybody has at some point in their life experienced an activity where they're undistracted. Now the value of learning to sit down to meditate is that you can calm your mind and by relaxing it, create room to focus that attention on what's important to you.

    All the thoughts like "am I doing it right?" are just mental distractions. Take your time, listen to each concern and then let go of them. They don't need answers. They are just the shivers you get when you're acclimating to a cold shower, or the sweat when you first approach a woman. They're like shit tests. Don't take them so serious and maintain trust that you're doing the right thing.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    When you're doing a mario speed run or you're flicking your hearthstone cards without even needing to think about it, you're in a meditative state.

    That's not meditation, That's flow - aka doing stuff on autopilot also called "unconscious competence". Meditation is more like blank state or disconnecting from input signals from your senses, your emotions and your mind.

    [–]jonpe87 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    No, it's not meditation, it's lack of self awareness, it's the inverse of meditation. Meditation is absolute self awareness. And, with time you can experience silence, but is not common, this silence comes when you are in a mental state where there is nothing to focus. If there is no learning in your meditation its not meditation, its escape from oneself.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This.

    [–]falconiawillfall 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    I was lucky enough that after my first few sessions of meditating I was able to enter a deep meditative state. It consisted of shallow, quiet breating with a mind state in extreme focus, but no thoughts about anything. It felt like a warm blanket wrapped around my brain and my sense of time did not exist, so 20 min passed by in what felt like just a couple min. When I exited the state I felt a profound sense of wellbeing. I was able to reach that state a few more times, but the more I tried to reach it, the more elusive it became. I quit meditation because of that but I am going to start again with the goal of finishing 20 min, without any need/want to enter that state.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Set a timer for 5 minutes, twice a day first week or two. Focus on form since you already know what to look for. After you can hold it for 5 mins, next week add 2 more minutes, repeat until you arrive at your desired length.

    [–]falconiawillfall 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind. How long did it take for you to achieve noticeable benefits in your day to day mental state?

    [–]NumerousImprovements 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I don’t want to meditate for an hour a day, but what is a good length of time to aim for? Is 10 minutes a day enough?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The longer the better, but realistically 20-30 mins session once per day should be maximum time spent on this since we're not aiming on achieving nirvana and transcending the need to eat and longer sessions have diminishing returns, so it's simply not worth the time.

    Also, don't do it in the morning, do it in the afternoon or in the evening before going out to game, the mind in the morning is fresh and primed for work already.

    [–]NormalAndy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    A while back I made a point of doing 1 hour, 1 day per week and 30 mins the other 6- just to see.

    It made such a big difference that I now slot in 1 hour whenever I get the chance.

    [–]Acrimont 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Definetely agree on the music. I never listened to music as a kid, around spring I started listening to a lot more rap, and I got a little hooked. Now that school's starting up again, I gotta start cutting down. I'm starting to feel the same about podcasts, and I'm slowly cutting down on them in favour of audiobooks.

    [–]Appex1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yes, I personally believe the way music is used nowadays with endless amounts of songs at your disposal, it messes with our neuro-chemicals. It's not like back in the day when people bought a tape or a cd and listened to it once in a while. Like all other things that are pleasurable, it's being abused, whether it be social media, Netflix, too much music etc.

    [–]globst 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Please correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I understand it, you are not describing mindfulness meditation but rather concentration meditation.

    Concentration and Mindfulness (insight) meditation are two sides of the coin. Concentration being the focus on a single point and mindfulness is letting things come and go - the aim here being to just notice.

    [–]lateteatoto 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Great post ! Thanks for sharing.

    May I inquire though, what’s the deal with fluoride ? I thought you were joking at first but apparently not.

    [–]Akslepios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maybe I am. I'm not sure. I definitely experience these things though. I think it may have to do with a few things: 1) I used to do deep dose psychedelic drugs

    I can also confirm this is the reason. I got addicted to meditation after my first try. It felt exactly like the serenity when you are coming down at Lucy.

    [–]ToryTosh1922 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wow. This post was very informative. Thanks!

    [–]suitableforwirk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In a Buddhist sense meditation can diminish the sense of self. We aren’t the same entity that experienced life a moment before. Just one of your main points which I suspect is wrong

    [–]Demiurge_Decline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is an aspect of my life that I have yet to integrate fully. Thanks for the reminder.

    [–]thisdyyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Very good post in terms of self improvement. I would sticky it if I was a mod

    [–]BurnoutRS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    simply put, mindfulness is the practice of being aware of your thought patterns and training yourself to recognize when you are distracted. Training mindfulness can be applied to all areas of life wherein one might benefit from being able to eleiminate/mitigate distraction and focus in completely on the task at hand.

    In my experience, distraction doesnt ever go away permanently, you just develop this reflex that brings you back to center every time you get distracted. I imagine you can train yourself to do this for just about anything. Overeating for example; if you eat mindlessly, then mindfulness training can help you to become conscious of when you are engaging in an autonomous behaviour. That last bit is important. Im convinced that mindfulness/meditation is the practice of liberating yourself from all "mental slavery". addiction, mindless, automatic behaviours... people become trapped in these patterns and behave like robots. If you learn to recognize these patterns and break them, you have some very powerful tools in your hands.

    [–]riggedved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I started meditating 3 years ago. I learnt a 21 minute practice from Isha Foundation.

    Doing meditation the proper way takes a lot of practice. You won't really see the benefit of it, unless you practice is day after day. I took me about an year to really see how meditation was working for me.

    They day I learnt it, I made it a point to practice it everyday.

    Practicing on an empty stomach is recommended.

    My 21 minutes of practice actually only consists of the final 3 minutes being "sitting down in absolute stillness and simply focusing on the breath"

    When I started, going through even 1 minute of that seemed like a torture. I was extremely fidgety. Now, the last stage I easily cross 10 minutes and dont even realise it.

    My 2 cents:

    Keep practicing meditation. Don't go looking for the benefits, they will come, provided you are consistent with your practice. Meditation is a skill and takes a lot of time to develop.

    [–]riggedved 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Regarding your mention of the "third eye".

    The meditation I do is called the "Shambhavi Mahamudra"

    The Sanskrit word "Mahamudra" means "third eye."

    This meditation is about focusing on the spot between your eyebrows, with you head slightly upturned and your eyes close, while sitting with a straight back. Just like how OP explains, in the beginning, it can cause some pain in your brain, but with time, it actually evolves to a wonderful experience.

    [–]slacker142 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is generally very poor meditation advice and if OP is actually seeing fractals while having his eyes closed he ought to see a doctor. Go to a retreat if you want to actually learn to meditate and ignore this garbage from OP.

    [–]HealthInspector0331 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You're doing God's work. I'll see on the other side of infinity.

    [–]KEGEL_POWER 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I'm not against eliminating sources of fluoride and decalcifying the pineal gland and whatnot, but how is only having non-fluoridated toothpaste going to accomplish this? There are SO many other sources of fluoride in our lives. All the water we drink is fluoridated. The fruits and vegetables we eat probably have it....because they were grown with the same water that we drink. I'm not convinced that anyone in our society has the ability to live fluoride-free.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm in europe so no flouridated water but I agree there are other sources you can't avoid. You can do your best to elimante the ones you can though

    [–]NormalAndy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't get the layers like you. I reckon it's the trips but I will go fluoride free for a spell-That's a great tip.

    As long as I've had a long break, if I hit some pot, I get the craziest insights, which I will remberer forever, but I haven't done it for years. Once you get the message, hang up the phone.

    [–]Zarathustraliver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    When you said "pick one thing" the thing from Fantastic 4 jumped out as the thing to focus on habaha

    [–]CrocMcSpock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Fractals. I've got a story.

    I'm no experienced meditator. I am starting again, on day 3 of 7 weeks.

    Anyways. A few years back I started getting into meditation, just to see what's what.

    I was using a video on YouTube that would awaken then third eye. Apparently it's calcified from all the fluoride or whatever. Anyways, this vid had a frequency that would vibrate the calcium away. I used it for a few days on the trot, 15 mins a time.

    So one day I did my meditation and took the dog for a walk. Walked my normal route, except it wasn't my normal route. It was the route in the present and the past.

    I would be walking down the street and I could see all cars and shops as they were now, but I could also see them as they were years ago, like 50 years ago. The signs were different, the cars were different. Everything was the same but different. It was like a rip in reality and I could see both dimensions.

    But that wasn't it. I could see the thoughts into everything.

    So you see a house, what do you see? A house. I could see a house but I could also see the thought that went into the house. Someone somewhere had a thought about how this house will look and I could see that. I could see the thoughts of where a tree would be planted, where the roads were going to lead. Everything.

    I had taken no drugs prior to this. I've never used psychodelic drugs, only smoked weed.

    That walk was the best walk I have ever experienced. I couldn't recreate it though. As soon as I went in my house it stopped. I think that's what eventually put me off meditation, the thought that I couldn't get there again.

    I'm glad I'm not thinking that any more.

    [–]Demiurge_Decline 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I believe this happens because you make a decison to view reality as material and present moment when it is not true. Meditation breaks the agreement. Breaks "maya" It is not your eyes that see but your soul uses them as glasses. A wiseman said reality is an allusion. Albeit a persistant one.

    [–]thecarryone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Honestly, I thought I won't finish this post, but I did.

    Nice reading.

    I did meditate once while high, it's pretty hard because you know, you are high. But is very nice also, I get that feeling like my body is connected and I can see the lines of blood thru my body. Crazy shit.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You're wasting your time meditating while high or drunk. It's like weightlifting while trying to relax your muscles, you'll do neither.

    [–]Swan_in_a_Cage 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Tldr: Meditation just means practicing focus.