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Red Pill TheoryAccepting TRP Will Make You Unhappy: Your Choice if That's Permanent (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 3itiswr1tten

Do you think dating "sucks"? Are you sad, or upset, that Tinder works REALLY WELL for >15% men (soon, >10%)? Do you think online dating has fucked everything up?

​All these beliefs are correct - but your attitude is the one thing you can control. Will you choose to be unhappy forever?

​To understand why this is and what to do, we need a history lesson:

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A Brief History of The Decline - PUA

In 1994 a guy named Lewis De Payne started the online group alt.seduction.fast, and the PUA community began. By the early 2000s, anonymous men with screen names like Mystery and Style were attempting alchemy - they wanted to create a foolproof method to get women into bed, a supposedly impossible task in a world convinced that everyone is special and being your genuine self was the correct sexual strategy.

​Their "Field Reports" (sound familiar?) existed for men to trade notes online (and in those days, offline in meetups or "lairs") and actually turned lead into gold; The Game was created. PUAs correctly identified that women out at night selected men who displayed domineering, proto-masculine traits and exploited sexual tension (typically through escalation and perceived indifference aka the "Neg") to get laid.

A Brief History of The Decline - Game

Game worked, and people were ANGRY. Takes 5 seconds of googling to reveal that mainstream thought labeled PUA "misogynist", "pathetic", and ironically "lies". What got bloops angry isn't that PUA worked (we teach you to listen to their actions, not their words). What made bloops furious is that PUA turned the AFC, or Average Frustrated Chump (aka 95% of you, dear readers) into a man who could get girls. Yet PUAs were disinterested in the "Why", because men care about what works, and don't typically give much thought once the method is proven.

​What audacity to disrupt the sexual marketplace in this way! PUA ultimately stole away some of a woman's ability to fully gatekeep sex. This usurpation of power was unacceptable! PUAs tried to fight back with a concept called "inner game", essentially arguing that PUA was actually just self-help written in locker room talk, and getting girls is a necessary part of building Maslow's foundation (see "Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs"). This was weak - political correctness masquerading the desire to fuck as self-improvement. The bloops did not buy it, but a lot of men started paying attention....

A Brief History of The Decline - Enter TRP

TRP came next. TRP took what were essentially just bar tactics and built a cultural framework by which to explain the entire sexual marketplace. The Red Pill is an explanation of effective mating strategy in the context of culture - the "Why" behind the "How". Core PUA concepts like oneitis, Game, and the like had an underpinning truth that united them all together - men's old sexual strategy didn't work, and needed to be replaced. The foundational post, that you all better have fucking read ("Introduction" on the sidebar), spells this out: modern feminism is actually female sexual strategy that,

puts women into the best position they can find, to select mates, to determine when they want to switch mates, to locate the best dna possible, and to garner the most resources they can individually achieve.

Women had to fight back against Game - so they sought to feminize the entire conversation around the sexual marketplace. Through shaming (ever seen someone get "blown up on social media"?), silencing (do you look around or hide your phone when you open TRP in public?), and downright making the ENTIRE CONVERSATION verboten, men started to lose ground fast. There's a reason there are literally two guys (Rollo and rian_stone) who associate their face with this place on a regular basis - TRP is an instruction manual written in a man's language on how to reject what a feminized society has claimed is the truth.

The TRP truths are ugly: she isn't yours, it's just your turn. She is ready and willing to dismiss you once a better prospect is available. Worse, in her mind you will have always been a loser when she decides to ditch you! Faced with this awful reality, TRP responds with painful aphorisms: develop abundance mentality and ditch oneitis to overcome the fact that she will leave. Lift and improve yourself to become as attractive as possible, so that you may become the prize. Be the prize to fix yourself, not for the girls. Practice quantity over quality, because quality is actually just your delusion. AWALT, right?

TRP is so painful to swallow because....it works. And TRP aware men will take what works over what feels good.

So Where Are We Now? AND WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?!

The modern first world or Western society enriches itself by creating abundance - we have vast quantities of food, incredible toys, and a world of information literally at our fingertips. However, the first world only achieved this by making these abundances CHEAP. You can all afford iPhones, refrigerators, and cars. Walmart and Amazon have literally everything - EVERYTHING at a price designed to fuck the rest of the ecosystem. Even debt is cheap nowadays...

The great engine of commerce then turned its eye to dating. Tinder, Bumble, and Match dot com became profitable by cheapening sex, and by extension, human relationships. Much like McDonald's made a multi-billion dollar empire by turning consumers to fast food from nutritional, home-cooked food, Tinder is building another gilded throne out of commoditizing human beings. Here's a menu of people - you can talk to them if they think you're attractive too. This spilled over into the rest of the sexual marketplace, now we're all eating the mating equivalent of frozen pizza every meal wondering why we feel like shit.

In Order to Choose Happiness, Accept That There is No External Solution

The nagging existential question in PUA is "So what's next? Isn't there more to life than just getting laid?", but TRP never really became the answer to that question. TRP is designed to do these things:

  • Get you laid
  • Ancillary 2nd wave goal: get you laid and navigate society without fucking yourself up emotionally, financially, or otherwise

At the end of the day, that is the fundamental core of this place. Does it explore a deeper understanding of why All Dating Is Like That? Yes. Does it delve into topics beyond pure game? Yes. Can it solve your existential crises? NO. In fact, accepting TRP will create or exacerbate your existential crises RE: finding happiness in your relationships.

Conclusion

I am only giving two pieces of advice in this post:

  • Erase the pedestal of "quality" in your relationships until you have sufficient quantity to start forming you own idea about what "quality" is
  • Don't fall into the trap that TRP philosophy extends past achieving sexual success

To find happiness, or at least minimize suffering, you have to figure out your goals for yourself and achieve them. There's lots of scientific and other literature that affirmatively states heterosexual men need to have sex with women as part of that, so lean on TRP heavily in that area. Elsewhere, what's written here for the most part is like all advice - meaningless until applied, and application does not extend to the mental consequences of your actions.

Putting that last point another way, applying TRP and achieving sexual success won't solve your problems, it'll just solve ONE problem. Coping with the rest of reality is up to you - some advice you'll find is "enjoy the decline", "GFTOW and build a harem", "find a traditional partner and have children with her", or "check out entirely". Like all advice - meaningless until applied, and application does not extend to the mental consequences of your actions. You will have to choose to be happy with your choices.

tl;dr

  • Dating does in fact suck
  • PUA led to TRP, which answered the "Why" behind the "How" of Game
  • Dating sucks because competing male/female sexual strategies have been co-opted by capitalism
  • TRP will create or worsen your existential problems because it is a roadmap to getting laid, and it actually working will painfully reshape your beliefs about dating
  • TRP is not the solution to the hole left by that reshaping - only you can figure out what the end game is
  • Make an active decision to be happy with your end-game goals, and you'll actually be happy; but it's up to you

[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Worse, in her mind you will have always been a loser when she decides to ditch you!

The Lightswitch Effect (For those who haven't seen this)

[–]Pokeylaw 143 points144 points  (5 children)

The more I learned about TRP the sadder I got until 1 day and somehow it all just fit into place like a incomplete puzzle and it just wasn't that bad. I'm happy af and still learning

[–]Son_of_Gatsby 1 point2 points  (3 children)

How long did that take you?

[–]FormerBlueFool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey man. Just wanted to say that I agree with Pokeylaw above. Just to give you a different take it took me about 2 years to get back to "happy" or not as angry and sad after swallowing TRP the first time.

I would also direct you to redpillcad's comment here below.

[–]Pokeylaw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be honest I'll say a couple months. But after that pass I was good with my occasional ups and downs

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Anger beats Apathy. Anger is fuel and can push men in the right direction.

Right Direction=Your dreams and desires. Not mine. Not your mommies. Not your girls. And Def not the Globohomo Media's.

At some point, when you are ready, the anger can be let go. Released and Surrendered to allow you to move to a higher plane where its literally impossible to be manipulated and pushed off the burned in path you set for yourself.

TRP is freedom. Most men will fight the dissolution of ego at every turn to avoid the pain and thats fine ..most men are losers.

BUT...being a loser is a choice. Never forget you are what you do and the past is irrelevant and the future is whatver you choose and can be defined by your present day actions

[–]1Fyn689 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Anthony Hopkins said: But the anger, you begin to channel it,” he says. “I’m very happy I’m an alcoholic – it’s a great gift, because wherever I go, the abyss follows me. It’s a volcanic anger you have, and it’s fuel. Rocket fuel. But of course it can rip you to pieces and kill you. So, gradually, over the years, I have learned not to be a people-pleaser. I don’t have a temper any more. I get impatient, but I try not to judge. I try to live and let live. I don’t get into arguments, I don’t offer opinions, and I think if you do that, then the anger finally begins to transform into drive.

[–]buddhismo_communismo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well Said. The past is history, the future is a mystery, the present is a gift. Our choices give us the opportunity to device what will bring us greater freedom and happiness.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 111 points112 points  (46 children)

The only way TRP can make you unhappy is if you still have some BluePill/Liberal expectations of the world. If you see the world for what it is and always was whu would you be unhappy?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 58 points59 points  (4 children)

TRP is for help.

I could either be angry that the world isn't what I wanted it to be, or happy that I found out the truth.

That's the choice every man has.

Guys come here because of sexual frustrations and being losers.

Can you imagine your regular frat boy, who parties and hangs with women regularly, imagine them knowing what the red pill is. Lmao. They'll be like "wtf is the red pill bro"

Whether it's a dead bed room marriage, LTR went on GNO to Vegas and nothing was the same, how to get oneitis back, or can't get laid at all - the arrival stories are almost never happy.

It's like a treatment center for wounded men, and ASKtrp is the morgue.

People come because of sexual frustrations then stay for the self improvement, and memes - climbing maslows hierarchy.

[–]MoDuReddit 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Can you imagine your regular frat boy, who parties and hangs with women regularly, imagine them knowing what the red pill is. Lmao. They'll be like "wtf is the red pill bro"

Those usually only show up when they're 35 and have been divorce raped.

[–]1SexdictatorLucifer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I'm not really a "frat guy," but maybe a guy of similar inclinations. I'm glad I had the foresight to see the end product of blue pill thinking. Know that, yes, all the young pussy slayers are still blue pill, and will still give in to its warmth once they find Stacey. They're playing along with female sexual strategy from the get go, the difference is they get some benefits during girls peak years. Theyll play along just like they have been once the girls see their approaching wall. Your point is spot on. Most "losers" will find TRP mid twenties. Most "cool guys" will find it mid thirties with a lot more wasted time

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 7 points8 points  (0 children)

> ASKtrp is the morgue

Fucking nailed it. It's like the pain is a cocoon for what comes out after TRP.

[–]-DeadLock 15 points16 points  (10 children)

I want it to be more. I want humanity to be something else than a vapid circlejerk of chasing the unsustainable consumerist fantasy.

The only alternative to this thinking is a bunch of shitty religions that are equally shortsighted and philosophically anemic.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Hurr Durr I belive religion is philosophicaly anemic but I don't understand the Esoteric symbolism behind religion all I know is the normi shit my grans taught me

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Spot on mate. Took me a while to realize the concept of god is pretty important for society. religion is a field manual for how to stabilize society and operate in stability over long periods of time. Yes, the bible will redpill you, if you can read between the damn lines.

[–]p3n1x 4 points5 points  (2 children)

People always point their fingers at the scripture, and not the guy with the funny hat manipulating everyone with his interpretation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ive been thinking lately: funny hats are actually powerful. If you wear a funny hat and hold your frame and own it, it becomes a source of mystery and possibly power if it is distinct enough. Literally a +1 charisma.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually saw a dating profile that said:

'My Goals' - "to wear a funny hat on a first date and refuse to talk about it."

[–]DeGENZerate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Check out Ride the Tiger

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Maybe work for a life created rather than chosen for you. If you don't like the selection at the grocery store, grow your own shit.

Boo hoo the fucking "options" suck????

[–]-DeadLock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You mean start my own country and society? Okay sure, should be easy.

Otherwise I already live life on my own terms

[–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

quit bitching about religious options as a starter

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 24 points25 points  (5 children)

"You don't control the situation, but you control what you think about it".

RedPill: having right and aligned judgements about women.

BluePill: having extremely false expectations/judgements about women, thus creating cognitive dissonance and making arise negative emotions such as depression and frustration.

[–]jonpe87 13 points14 points  (4 children)

"Women"

It's not about women only, it's about a idealistic view of reality that involves every aspect of life.

[–]apost54 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I’m currently stuck in a huge existential crisis right now because of my idealistic nature. I want to make a difference in the world but it seems like things don’t really ever change throughout history. I’ve been choking on the red pill for seven weeks, and my depression has never been worse. I’m buying into the truths without actually trying to improve myself, since it doesn’t even make sense to try to have an amazing life since that won’t bring me satisfaction.

[–]3itiswr1tten[S] 16 points17 points  (8 children)

This is binary thinking ("either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists" is appropriate analogy because you've blended in politics) and already addressed in the conclusion - TRP will initially make you unhappy by proving Blue Pill is a lie. However, the point of this post is that TRP theory is an insufficient endgame, because the theory is not designed to do anything outside of create sexual success.

Men who embrace TRP receive a universally effective solution to their problem of getting girls - my post warns against the natural urge to think that there it can also be a universal solution to the consequences of TRP's success.

I believe TRP won't fix our culture. In fact, it is a very reasonable argument that the more TRP-aware men exist, the faster the decline advances. TRP can't replace your dad (except when it comes to...advice on how to get women!) but the reader-base has become so large and broad that many are trying to take a toolbox and turn it into a political party (or worse, derive religious/metaphysical satisfaction from it). This is why this post is Red Pill Theory and not Meta - my theory is that Red Pill ends at sexual success. The rest is just more note trading.

Now, I have an advantage because you've been posting here for years - your endgame belief is that the West is unfixable, so you moved out to LATAM and presumably found a nice LTR untouched by Western culture. That plus cynical interpretation ("enjoy the decline and be Fun Club Guy") is an endgame, but outside the bounds of TRP. Works for you, hopefully makes you happy, but is far from a universal solution. Many men would be unhappy with your world-view, and I don't believe that's because they're still clinging to the Blue Pill. I believe it is because there is no TRP equivalent to the top of Maslow's pyramid.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 9 points10 points  (6 children)

There's a lot of normi Bugmen crawling around here saying shit like The Red Pill isn't Political. Any rejection of Feminism (a political concept) is Political.

You can't argue against a political concept without being political yourself. Your problem is DadPill individualism.

[–]MoDuReddit 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Now I understand this exclusively american behaviour.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Americans are Individualist-tards they can't understand a problem in a broad societal context they can only understand it in a narrow individual sense.

[–]MoDuReddit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In a society which has 'started from scratch', everything has the characteristic of being fabricated.

Ouch. Good stuff, thanks for the links.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Julius Evola's article "Civilta" Americana (American "Civilization") was first published in 1945.

Amazing how long ago these observations were made, yet they seem perfectly applicable to today. Maybe it is less of a decline and more of a chronic cultural stagnation.

On another note, the author is critical of America but fails to see that any other culture adopting these standards are just as worthy of criticism or 'tard' worthy. Rather he states that a particular statement from an American Sociologist James Burnham 'should make Italian radio programmers blush for shame.' But not that they have.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be dislikes all cultures with said properties, America is just the biggest example

[–]3itiswr1tten[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My argument isn't that politics doesn't real. It's that TRP isn't a philosophy that should support a political movement. The failure of various Red Pill Right movements and usurpation of the Donald subreddit suggest there needs to be something more cohesive to change minds or cultural paradigms.

Dadism article was interesting though. Lots of mediocre people out there weakly arguing against discomfort.

[–]MormonRedPill 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Acceptance of the truth is not a shield against unhappiness. If you're being tortured, or you lose everything you've been working for, or your child dies, accepting that state as reality doesn't inoculate against unhappiness. Your expectations can align completely with reality and also be sad.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Why would you be sad if you saw it coming?

[–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Your previous response comment was an inability to abstract and reduction of a broad concept to an individual attack. Here we are again.

    Are you a woman ?

    [–]Zech4riah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yes, and I acknowledged that...so what's my inability this time?

    [–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    you lose everything you've been working for

    Live in fantasy or don't. Unhappiness comes from your "fantasy" being broken and not a proper understanding of reality. Why? Because reality is tough, so people build up giant delusional walls and try to hide in their version/fantasy until they die.

    [–]ThrowFader 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Wrong.

    It can make you unhappy by helping you to realize the abject state of the human condition.

    But then again, ignorance is bliss isn't it.

    The red pill is realizing there is a war.

    Fighting wars doesn't make people happy. It makes them strong.

    [–]johnpayne10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That is exactly why 'anger phase', 'depression phase' are the initial phases of trp. Initially, it is extremely difficult to get rid of the beta conditioning, to realise the truth and to digest it. Once you internalize it and change, it gets better. And knowing the truth doesn't make you unhappy as you have the resources to make the best out of the situation.

    [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Or you just generally dislike degeneracy.

    [–]RandomReeditUser -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    Tradcons are as bad as liberals, and are blue pill as well. For the record.

    Really shouldn't be politicizing it though. TRP is amoral, and apolitical.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    Anyone who believes "all men are created equal" is a liberal. TradCons are liberals.

    [–]MoDuReddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sure, as long as they're the right brand of church.

    [–]IRunYourRiver 42 points43 points  (4 children)

    Even though it is frowned upon in TRP, LTRs and even marriage are pretty fundamental goals for most of us. The "next" in this sense is a more informed approach to those circumstances. Many of the underlying concepts in TRP become indispensable in MRP. The application is a bit different, but the important lessons transfer very well.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    you mean companionship.

    This hunt for an LTR is a womans goal. Briffaults law, women decide on relationships.

    All you do is work your ass off that chicks fight to keep you around.

    Soon as you act like the relationship is the prize or goal is when you turn into a chump

    [–]FuneralWithAnR 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    What's MRP?

    [–]Kempff95 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Married Red Pill

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 19 points20 points  (4 children)

    A note on acceptance. Accepting TRP will not make you unhappy.

    Accepting things for how they are is simply being content. When you want/desire things to be different from how they are is what breeds unhappiness.

    There's lots of scientific and other literature that affirmatively states heterosexual men need to have sex with women as part of that

    The modern first world or Western society enriches itself by creating abundance - we have vast quantities of food

    This is correct. Just to expand on it a little. Despite BP concepts like purpose and destiny our biological drivers are to eat, sleep, procreate/sex. Sex being the most important one. Eating and sleeping is mostly so that we are energised enough to pursue procreation. Without any one of these 3 factors we are unhappy. Imagine life without food, sleep or sex. With all three in abundance we are happy, or satisfied rather as happiness deals in peaks.

    As you said the modern first world has created an abundance of these. Food and Housing(sleep) are abundant and available at our fingertips. Tinder and online dating is trying to get sex there, but not yet as it's still not available to everyone, people still select, even on there. Sex is the last remaining biological driver we need to compete for and that is why TRP is so relevant.​

    [–]3itiswr1tten[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Great reply, but think you missed one point:

    Tinder and online dating is trying to get sex there, but not yet as it's still not available to everyone, people still select, even on there.

    Tinder/online dating aren't trying to level the playing field, they're succeeding at programming the same things advertisers and marketers have been doing for decades into the sexual marketplace directly. Fear of missing out (better message something witty, and quick, because there's 50 other guys with a 6pack in her inbox...), scarcity mentality (act on these people now, or we'll hide your profile!), and worst commoditizing people.

    That last effort is the most insidious - there's a reason they don't let you write long bios, because it gives the possibility of injecting some humanity into the conversation. With 6 pictures and two 300 character bios, you start to compare humans like you compare things at the drugstore - "This Nice Brand one is my favorite, but it's more expensive...not sure if I can afford it long term. This one is the generic version, almost as good, and I'm sure I can buy it right now..." This is how we address objects.

    The side effects of this are glaring - hypergamy reaches new levels because men's bar for sex is much lower than commitment, so women can punch way above their league by going for Nice Brand 24/7. Meanwhile, sub 20% guys who feel forced to play in this new ecosystem get cynical, and many start to blame women for what is actually a major manipulation of all of us for the sake of selling subscriptions.

    Again, this is where the post becomes relevant - TRP can't fix the broader cultural problem, but if you follow the tenets you'll still get laid in Tinder world. But the benefit stops there - TRP is not designed to answer the question of what you actually want out of life. It is just there to fix the very necessary problem of not getting fucked.

    [–]PhantomCowboy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    what if I told you, happiness is not a choice

    [–]monadyne 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    You'd be wrong. Happiness most certainly is a choice.

    First, what is happiness? Literally, it's nothing other than thinking happy thoughts.

    When you are in command of your own mind, you may choose to think happy thoughts... or sad thoughts, depressing thoughts, worrisome thoughts, evil thoughts, fearful thoughts, angry thoughts, vengeful thoughts, scientific thoughts, religious thoughts, transcendent thoughts, et cetera. None of those other modalities foster a feeling of happiness, however. Only happy thoughts do that. In fact, that result is what actually makes them "happy thoughts."

    I often choose to think thoughts other than happy ones. I focus my attention on how fucked up the modern world is, e.g., how weak the current generation of college kids is, with their safe spaces and neoMarxist ideologies. Or how fucked up our society is, with conservatives and liberals unable to work together. Or how Western Culture is committing suicide.

    Why do I choose to provide my attention to such unhappy fields of inquiry, instead of choosing to think happy thoughts? I don't know. I think it's in part due to some residual PTSD I'm still carrying, and some frustration I feel over some things that I believe are outside of my ability to control. That said, however, I am the captain of my own ship. I'm the one responsible for what's in my mind. If I choose to think thoughts other than happy ones, then I need to accept the moral consequences of my choices.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The steps to get there are.

    [–]1-Fidelio- 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    Dating sucks because competing male/female sexual strategies have been co-opted by capitalism

    I've thought about this line for a bit and it's a deeply flawed perspective.

    First, you're laying the blame at capitalism, where capitalism simply capitalized on an existing societal weakness. I'm not here to sing the praises of capitalism, but let's lay blame where it's due. A society with healthy values in regards to family isn't that easily subverted by a dating app.

    It's the destruction of healthy family as both an ideal in people's minds and the destruction of it being practically viable when women wreck their pair bonding ability by slutting it up into competition towards high N-counts.

    You have to remember; about 70 years ago there barely was "dating". Yes, you got to know someone a little before you married them and yes pre-marital sex did happen but was a lot rarer and often led to the last respectable escape towards marriage.

    There wasn't a decade long of cock carousel masquerading as "dating". Societal programming through sitcoms like Friends played a significant role in this, but that's in the big scheme of things just a recent one. The 70's were full of movies advocating "liberated sex" and selling these ideas as something for more culturally advanced people.

    So when you say

    Dating sucks because competing male/female sexual strategies have been co-opted by capitalism

    You have to understand that what you call "Dating" didn't exist. And to be honest, it still doesn't exist. There's casual sex masquerading as mate-selection instead. It's not dating. It's fucking.

    If it sucks on a personal level, then you haven't organised your life the right way yet in accordance with what the world is currently like.

    If you're concerned that it sucks on societal level, yeah it does. That's a longer conversation though.

    [–]3itiswr1tten[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Capitalism was a synecdoche for the broader Western society, but your nuance is still a value added comment.

    [–]1-Fidelio- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    synecdoche

    I really appreciate the new word, that's a useful concept.

    I think the set of ideas that created the idea of "capitalism" is more responsible for the degradation of the west than the part that was described by the word, which is why I thought it was important to unpack it.

    I enjoyed your analysis, you put good thought into these things.

    [–]BACONisKEWL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Very well said.

    [–]ValuePrestige 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    TRP never made me sad. It just made me finally realise why I had no luck with girls

    [–]IRunYourRiver 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    DO NOT underestimate the broader societal relevance. This is actually revolutionary material.

    [–]NormalAndy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Ouch. This is a well articulated, much needed post.

    The biggest problem with Trp is that it pretends to be all about sex and dating whereas the truth is that it is all about self development. Self development is all about accepting that improvement is painful and then learning to love the pain.

    That is a bit sad but it wouldn't be the first truth that got sugarcoated to make it a bit easier to swallow for kids.

    The irony of course is that it was Mary Poppins who first had that idea. Did it help Dick van dyke?

    Good to get depressed for the right reasons: life is hard and without obstacles we would never evolve. The first obstacles to conquer are waiting for you in the gym. Lift... 😀

    [–]Roadhouse1984 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You misused the inequality symbols

    [–]henry589 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    We are now in the era of the rise of the incels. Men being black pilled and just going MGTOW simply because it’s a game not worth playing to them.

    [–]BostonPillParty 8 points9 points  (20 children)

    Not to get called a faggot or get down-voted entirely, but this is why I love the combination of The Red Pill & Jordan B Peterson.

    TRP helps me navigate the sexual market place, better myself for that pursuit (and in turn make myself a better person naturally) and JBP offers his own flavor on the rest of these philosophical dilemmas...individualism, where morality comes from, a proper way to orient yourself in the world, etc.

    Let me disclaim, any relationship/dating advice I hear from JBP, although interesting in some cases, I hold second to learnings on TRP. There is just too much brutal truth that works on TRP to ignore.

    I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but personally TRP is good for it’s sole purpose and JBP can fill in gaps elsewhere which can be useful for young men like myself.

    [–]Blaze_Bless 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Dude hit the nail on the head! Been getting familiar with TRP and have been familiar with JBP for about a year now and I definitely see the positive potential of amalgamation of the two, philosophical/psychological understanding/teachings and a guide to becoming a higher value person socially and sexually, I think it's a winning combo already

    [–]karpathian 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I think he could be playing a game hiding his true red pilled philosophy. He understands hierarchy and his place in it, his stories show he keeps to his level in it unless he can move up without risking too much. So far he has to keep up the more neutral position partially to keep people from thinking they can be the top dog, and not to get shut down by the feminazis that control social aspects of our modern world. He's not super popular in trp because here, everyone is aiming for the top while he believes in everyone having a role in the hierarchy.

    [–]ThrowFader 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    He most certainly is.

    He isn't stupid enough to declare allegiance to trp though

    [–]MoDuReddit 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    So you're one of those who just can't swallow the whole pill and is still trying to fit your parents' religion into your worldview?

    [–]BostonPillParty 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Care to elaborate? I’d like to understand what you said more.

    [–]MoDuReddit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Sure.

    TRP helps me navigate the sexual market place, better myself

    That is one point of TRP. The bigger picture is the acceptance of reality. But go on...

    and JBP offers his own flavor on the rest of these philosophical dilemmas...individualism, where morality comes from, a proper way to orient yourself in the world, etc.

    What I got from your subtext is that you're some flavor of Christian Church follower, almost certainly the same one your parents indoctrinated you into before you could speak. And, as maturing person who's currently in process of reavaluating his wordlview, your cognitive dissonance born from religion is showing. But JBP calms that down, because he's also religious man who tries to understand (in his case, explain) the world. Religion is the ultimate blue pill and even harder to get over. It hurts. Yes, it'll get better. You're not alone!

    JBP can fill in gaps elsewhere

    There are no gaps in reality, if you see it as it is.

    [–]TFWyourWaifuDies 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    And you are one of those guys who takes TRP as gospel.

    [–]MoDuReddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, I think for myself.

    [–]Lib3rtarianSocialist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Do you claim that there is part of The Red Pill that is untrue? If so, explain it, and your true knowledge and name will become part of the sidebar, literally.

    [–]TFWyourWaifuDies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The red pill is like any philosophy, based around something that makes sense but never covers the full picture (because hint: nothing does).

    And like any philosophy, you aren't supposed to take it as gospel. You take what you want, reject what you don't, and debate over the inbetween.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil -5 points-4 points  (9 children)

    Your a faggot who doesn't understand Jordan Cuckerson's incompatibility with the Red Pill. We've beaten the issue to death at this point. But like a roach u'll always crawl out from under the carpet again.

    Just admit to me that your too retarded to know the difference between a Radical position and a Conservative one.

    [–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    What do you think of Cuckersons biblical studies series on yt?

    [–]BostonPillParty 5 points6 points  (7 children)

    Aww yeah my first GLO response and I’m called a faggot. I’m seriously happy, loved your work on that TV show when you owned that blonde trickle down cum guzzler.

    Is there really an incompatibility issue if one is to be selective about JBP principles? There is shit from Kant, Aristotle, to Locke that I like and incorporate in to trying to be the best man I can be. Big picture does TRP & JBP align? Nope. And I’m not claiming that. But there is a lot of content from JBP which is just packaged too well for the 21st century modern man or faggot millennial to ignore.

    I subscribe to get better at sexual strategy here, not to necessarily agree in “enjoying the decline” because as strong of a case that has been made here in the past, that is a philosophical belief outside of TRP. Or at the very least, a reader can come here, swallow the pill, and not need to swallow that borderline nihilistic point to get better at sexual strategy. Call me a retard or optimist, but I like a JBP at that point onward, particularly when it comes to individualism.

    Christ I’d hope is know the difference between a radical position and a conservative one. Living in a blue state and going from left to right has been a fun journey of spergs calling me alt right because I don’t agree with the notion that Ben Carson isn’t mentally retarded, for example.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Ben Carson is a House Slave who exists to help Republicans ease their white guilt. He is a direct responce to the Democrat's accusations of racism. So they drag out old Ben Carson for diversity points. I don't know what's worse caring what the enemy thinks or using Ben as an object.

    It sounds like your asking me for an introduction to Radicalism

    [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I find it hilarious, if not a bit nausiating, that the modern normie-sexual's way of relieving themselves of guilt for acting like rutting dogs is by claiming to embrace rationalism while taking The Enlightenment out behind the shed and putting two bullets in it's head.

    [–]TFWyourWaifuDies 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    Are you alt-right or just a basic bitch conservative?

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    He's a basic bitch conservative

    [–]BostonPillParty 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What’s wrong with that? Honestly wondering

    [–]rKKKselected 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Tell me how much ground basic bitch conservatives have kept since western civ's final collapse in 1945 and you'll have answered your own question.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Liberals unperson anything outside the liberal ideology. This includes fetuses because fertile women having babies gets in the way of Orgy Porgy. This also includes any group who rejects Liberalism like native Americans or Iraqis.

    You can give him whatever AntiLiberal explaination you want he's just gunna memory wipe himself and unperson you so that he can continue to be a basic bitch.

    That's why the Jordan Peterson isn't Red pill convo goes on indefinitely

    [–]RedHoodhandles 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Well said OP.

    TRP will create or worsen your existential problems because it is a roadmap to getting laid, and it actually working will painfully reshape your beliefs about dating

    I wasn't ready for that pain..

    [–]naIamgood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Happy if you are top 20 percent, unhappy otherwise

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    Want to know the biggest mindfuck?

    The TRP truths are ugly: she isn't yours, it's just your turn. She is ready and willing to dismiss you once a better prospect is available.

    Whether this is true or not makes not a lick of difference. TRP is a giant bait-and-switch, it has to be. None of you(us) accept things unless you wrap it up in concepts like AWALT. It's why asking for give me science sources! misses the point.

    Nevermind that the social sciences have a 50%+ replication crisis right now; whatever science you get it literally a coin toss if it's true.

    Nevermind that it's just thinly veiled AMOG 'who the fuck are you, get me an adult please!'

    TRP has never been about truth, only utility. Do you hit the lever to move a train, killing 1 person or leave it and kill 5? Depends on which group of people are adding value to your life...

    Most things here work on a few different concepts:

    1. A safety net against things that suck for you, or dealing with loss. e.g. It's just your turn, give less fucks, AWALT

    2. Mindset shifts to get you to stop self sabotaging. e.g. 2nd wave MGTOWs are losers who don't bother trying. Game beats genetics everytime. AF/BB

    3. Focus on action. Lift, practice game, take improv classes, build some inner narcissism, frame.

    It's womaneese for the average man.

    the correct combination of words to elicit the required response. If it's true, so much the better, but it's tangential to the point.

    It's a new years resolution Notice, this is meant as a slight to women who want to 'have it all'... What do you think guys are fostering here when they write posts on 'how to have a threesome, get laid like a warlord' etc?

    What do you think dread is? It's just a branch swing, like all too many guys are used to being at the tail end of, only with an olive branch if your woman gets her shit together before you do.

    Modern men act like women anyways, at least now, we can take the parts that work, and shed the parts that don't:

    1. Effeminite behaviour is bad

    2. Narcissistic self confidence is good

    3. Focusing on ones personal appearance-as-brand is good

    4. "whats in it for me" opportunistic love is paramount.

    5. nagging to get someone to do shit for you is bad

    [–]3itiswr1tten[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Agree whole heartedly. A wise man once said the game is sold not told. Lost boys and noobs have zero chance of getting any of the theory if the subjectivity and subcommunication isn't translated into overt communication and presented as objective.

    I mean, the whole reason they come here is because they suck with women. And the prime way to fail at so simple a task (am I being disingenuous…?) is to lack subcommunication skills. Look at any "girls of reddit???" thread and you'll find seventeen pinheads with 9000 upvotes asking why women won't stop communicating in hints.

    TRP works because it transposes relatively complex ideas like "getting attached to a woman who isn't equally invested, regardless of how you've defined your relationship, creates a power imbalance that imperils her attraction to you" into "don't get oneitis and don't mistake words for actions".

    The destruction of the nuance gets the point across to the newbie. Nothing is really lost, because any man accepting this idea painted as truth will eventually realize the subtlety from his life experience and grow out of the aphorisms. I believe somewhere in that dynamic is the secret sauce of TRP.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    And I have no idea why I thought the old bbs stuff was in the late 80s

    [–]Lib3rtarianSocialist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It's womaneese for the average man.

    It leads people, who don't require that sort of language, partially away. Although can work for most people.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It leads people, who don't require that sort of language, partially away.

    fuck em

    [–]flashcash12 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    silencing (do you look around or hide your phone when you open TRP in public?)

    This might be the most true statement ever. The only place I feel comfortable and safe reading TRP is in my apartment at school, in my room at home or on a toilet. Everywhere else I am fearful of being exposed.

    [–]NormalAndy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Lol! First rule of fight club? Nah, just scared of being found out.

    [–]DrMrJrSr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    But no one would know you're reading it unless you told them.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    Stage 4, depression.

    [–]3itiswr1tten[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What is your version of stage 5? Good faith question.

    [–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    What is your version of stage 5? Good faith question.

    You realize that women are marionettes, and you couldn't see the strings until now. All, and I mean with the only exception being my SIL, ALL women in my life really want to be controlled. Life is good.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Acceptance.

    [–]_MysticFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What's the solution?

    [–]ToryTosh1922 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Great post.

    I have a lot of respect for PUAs as I agree with their philosophy on women in that we should have an abundance mindset and generally be indifferent to them.

    However, I think the PUA community has largely become exploitative. Selling courses for thousands of dollars on how to get laid to men who smoke weed, play video games and jack off all day whilst living on state benefits doesn't do much to adddress the underlying issues.

    Game is good, but it's no substitute for solid frame generated from a healthy, centred, masculine lifestyle.

    If you're spending more of your time "getting" women than you are improving your SMV through lifting, learning and networking then something has gone badly wrong.

    PUA skills are important, but generally worthless if you don't have the SMV to back them up

    [–]Icarus663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Happiness has nothing to do with TRP or any other worldview.

    Happiness, like confidence or self respect comes from the inside and has nothing to do with the perceived reality.

    If you are unhappy, don't blame anything else than you. Just work your inner self to be happy. Is one of the most important goals any human being need too have

    [–]Nonstopas 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The more you start reading the more complicated it gets. One day you get posts saying that working on yourself/your business etc is the main goal, and after that comes pussy, other posts, like this says that getting pussy is the main goal and after that comes everything else.

    The more this place keeps growing, the harder it is to keep track, and i understand now why there's so many shit posts and people who think they know what is going on, when in reality they don't.

    Great post nonetheless.

    [–]ThrowFader 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    There is an exponential Trp. A Trp v. 2, where we really grasp the intracacies of human nature and search purely for truth and meaning in our lives.

    But few are familiar with this red pill.

    So sad.

    Good post, OP

    [–]Valenx_Ackerman 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Practice quantity over quality, because quality is actually just your delusion. AWALT, right?

    Does it means we have to fuck women that we're not sexual attracted to?

    [–]Seven_Veils 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    As they say, sometimes you gotta take one for the team

    [–]Da_RectumWrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    About 2 years ago I built my bench by fucking whatever I could. It gave me abundance mentality. I would then replace every girl on my bench with a hotter one, one at a time. Fast forward to now and I have 8's and 9's creating puddles in my bed. (Come to think of it, I REALLY need a new fucking bed now)

    [–]civilization_failed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You need to slay a lot of dragons to get to the princess.

    [–]1-Fidelio- 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    PUAs tried to fight back with a concept called "inner game", essentially arguing that PUA was actually just self-help written in locker room talk, and getting girls is a necessary part of building Maslow's foundation

    This is a misconception. Inner game wasn't a politically correct justification, inner game is what explained why some didn't need to wear oversized cowboy boots or do magic tricks or perform hypnosis patterns to get a girl to sleep with them. It was an attempt to try to explain the undefined parts of sexual selection that also tried to explain the success of some men that didn't do most of the things that the game prescribed. Many of the things that are taken for granted now in the redpill, like lifting and making sure you have got good testosterone level at the time fell as unexplored under inner game.

    Rather, at the time of speed-seduction the foundation to remain to some degree politically correct was always there. There were concepts like "Leave her better than you found her", as if you should take responsibility for the lives of the women that you encounter.

    Redpill builds on inner game and the realization that it is more important than the routines. It realized that just focusing on the tactics of game was a short-term tactics, whereas focusing on your own mission was a long-term strategy and that results are best with a healthy mix of the two, rather than just short-term focused view.


    I don't think the redpill makes one unhappy at all. Whenever I hear the problems of bluepills, part of me wants to grab them by the ears and scream: No wonder you are having this problem, you are not accepting reality. That's the price of lack of knowledge, you keep getting burned and you don't understand why. Not knowing makes a lot more unhappy.

    If the redpill makes you unhappy you either haven't fully accepted it yet, misunderstood it, or you were unhappy in the first place and are placing blame on something outside to avoid responsibility.

    [–]3itiswr1tten[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    TRP added candor to inner game - you fix yourself because the women you seek short term relationships with are a lot less valuable than your best self; that's similarly subversive but does not "back off" from the core premise that the sexual marketplace can be taken advantage of. We agree there. PUAs got culturally reprimanded and confined to the "loser" space because they were successfully labeled "Fake Alphas".

    As for the second part of the most, TRP makes us all angry and unhappy AT FIRST. How we choose to make use of the information and realign our state of mind is, in my mind, a post-TRP conclusion.

    [–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Unhappiness is a lack of true abundance. Ultimately most relationships are basically emotional hoses hooked up to each other. The truth hurts only until a trace of the illusion remains. That doesn't mean its easy, but it is better to be in an unpleasant truth today, than to wait for the illusion to shatter tomorrow and shatter you along with it.

    [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If you're mad then you are still in red pill rage mode and haven't fully swallowed the pill. You need to accept reality for what it is. Women want a top tier man, all of them. Tinder, Online Dating, etc has made it infinitely easier for women to fuck a quality guy incognito (guy can bang a fattie with big tits, and his friends will never know, and other women won't see him do this). The average blue pill guy isn't getting laid anymore - the commodification of "sex" has given women easy access to higher quality dick then they ever had - and those top tier men are cleaning up more than ever. Oh yeah, cheating is much much easier and is exploding as a result. No man is truly safe and things will get worse as Silicon Valley continues to hack the human brain and make impulse control harder and harder. Tech is exposing our weaknesses and is capitalizing on subconscious sexual impulses.

    [–]_Last_Man_Standing_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My RP journey was a bit different I'd say...I was depressed (coz of an girl of course) when I discovered MRA and Karen Straughan...And I ended up watching like 14 hours of her videos in one sitting (didn't sleep that night)...And my depression was over just like that... xD

    I found TRP next and after only a short "anger phase" of maybe month or so... I'm now happier than ever...I just needed to understand wtf was happening in the world... and the truth was liberating...And I don't even care that much that I'm having more pussy now than ever before...And I don't think I changed my life much (even before I was working on self improvement always)TRP just changed the way I look at the world... and it was amazing...

    but I can definitely say from the start RP truth just made me happier and happier... :)

    edit:
    TRP history lesson was cool... ;)

    [–]johnpayne10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    'Don't fall into the trap that TRP philosophy extends past achieving sexual success'. Are you serious right now???

    TRP is about becoming the best possible version of yourself. It does describe itself as 'discussion of sexual strategy', but just take a look at what it truly aims at.

    The core philosophy of TRP is developing yourself, pushing your limits, improving your skills and abilities. It is all about self-actualization. Remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs? TRP is all about the top part of that pyramid.

    Pussy is just a side benefit. An added advantage that you get when you are among the top 1% of men. TRP never advocates doing it all for pussy. Do it for yourself. Pussy will naturally get attracted to you.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    All I can say is that Tinder U idea sucks big time

    [–]gbdoragnic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Your post is spot on about a lot of things,but how does TRP make you unhappy, and why does dating suck after you know TRP. TRP makes dating easy

    [–]1gerwig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Agree with this except for the part about societal reaction against PUA/game - most people still don’t know anything about it.

    [–]hulk_hogans_alt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I’m mostly just along for the ride. Happy to have gotten past the emo stage a while ago. Being an oldfag has its benefits :D

    [–]Merica911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    But taking the BP, today, never in time been more dangerous.

    BP is built on high highs and low lows and as you can see in today's society, not everyone can deal with the low lows (the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24%between 1999 and 2014)

    You might feel like your on top of the world with your newly oneitis, "wait" to have sex until marriage, find out the sex for her was only for a pregnancy, child born and wife is now a stay at home mom, and now you realize you're in a sexless marriage supporting a family on your own working 60-80 hours a week and on top of that you're held hostage to the marriage that if you divorced you may never see your kid.

    Sounds a "little" frustrating you may say? I say it's what you get taking the BP. So TRP was introduce to cure the effects of years on the BP. That's why newly BP people on this sub go into monk mode for 3-18 months, re-evaluating and changing their lives and it feels so good. Me on the other hand, 5 years TRP, as long as I'm not taking the BP, I no longer have to live on this sub and enjoy other things.

    [–]its_meKnightSwolaire[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The anger phase fades as you learn more.

    I feel free, not unhappy

    [–]AnotherGypsy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    While TRP does not offer any existential solutions the idea of the Red Pill does extend beyond TRP reddit and PUA community concept. I think TRP helped pave the way and opened up many of us to new understandings of how the mainstream and feminine sides of the world work collides with masculinity and beyond. Thinking the manipluation and decit around us stops with women and sex is the taking of the PUA red pill but ignoring the broader social system The Game and our society chained to. The current male-female struggle, if you choose to accept it, could be the tip of the iceberg of your own perscription reality pills.

    [–]MisterTwo_O -3 points-2 points  (11 children)

    TRP confuses the shit out of me. I see some extremely misogynistic posts come out of here. I don't really want to get into that.

    TRP gets you laid. My main question is : Does/How does TRP work in long relationships and or marriage? I'm a guy who's never had more than one sexual partner at a time, and that works for me. My entire idea of a relationship is of both partners being equal/making decisions together. I've read posts on TRP about women being midway between a child and an adult, how they need to be put in their place etc etc.

    I get how TRP works to get laid, but everytime I think of my SO, I feel that none of this applies.

    Explain TRP like I'm five.

    [–]1-Fidelio- 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    The best way to get people to take the time to explain something that is readily available to learn from the sidebar, is to call them judgemental names.

    Let me know how that works out for you.

    [–]Cgbgjr 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    I am a newbie and I can answer this softball question.

    Your wife or LTR will cheat on you and then dump you if she finds someone better.

    To find the definition of someone better read the side-bar.

    Next. :-)

    [–]Da_RectumWrecker 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Can confirm. Every girl that I am fucking right now had a bf before they met me. Those poor bastards.

    [–]FormerBlueFool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Your post + name combo reminds me of an event in my past and made me laugh out loud in public. Thanks!

    [–]MetamorphosisSilver 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    TRP at it's core is about truth.

    You often end up here because you found out that those you considered honest with you were not. You judged them by what they said, not by their actions. In many cases their actions ultimately resulted in emotional, personal or financial harm to your own situation.

    You came here because you found out you were not alone. You read the posts and the information on the sidebar and start to incorporate this information into how you view and react to the world around you. This is one of the first stages - evaluation of and changing your actions in relation to the external environment. This is learning from the past and realizing that it doesn't have to determine your future.

    Next you start to evaluate yourself - that "truth" thing again. It's a natural progression, because once you realize the flaws in others that contributed to your interest and journey into a TRP mindset you will turn your gaze inward and not tolerate those flaws in yourself. Many here espouse "lift", "follow your passion", etc. Each one of those is a facet in what one found lacking in themselves, and their desire to improve on their situation. The ultimate goal of one adopting a Red Pill philosophy is to be the best "you" that one can be, be true to yourself, and accept no less than that from those that are in your life.

    Lastly, you questioned Red Pill and marriage / long term relationships. These are NOT mutually incompatible. They are simply more difficult simply because many women have a different view as to what each should bring to the relationship, what each deserves from the relationship, and how each deals with and communicates with the other. This can either be from genetic predisposition, upbringing, different societal norms, or influence from friends/family/modern culture. I won't bother with details as the Sidebar and many posts on this and other forums have explained this in excruciating detail. Suffice it to same as a gender/sex men and women act and think differently. Because of this there is often a lack of the level of honesty between the two in the relationship to sustain it over the long term.

    A true "Red Pill" marriage / long term relationship would actually be strong and fulfilling, because it is based on a foundation of truth. Alas, there are few Red Pill men out there, and I would imagine even fewer Red Pill women. Because of this there is not a lot of support in TRP for marriage, simply because of the significant costs personally and financially if the relationship should not last.

    Hope this helped you.

    [–]SenhorDog 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    There is a branch of trp for married man or men in ltr. Many of the OG trp writers cross-post there. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill

    [–]modTheRedPike -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Don't hotlink any sub, including our own. Automod will nuke. I approved this one though.