Red Pill TheoryThe Tinder Experiment (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics

To give the background for the experiment, I've never been much into online dating because when I started practicing game, the only material was largely centered on clubs. I've been using day-game quite a lot over the past few years because I travel a lot for my day job and often end up spending 5 days to two weeks in a location. However, lately I've found it a challenge to do day game due to spending less time in a city, having fewer repeat visits and having to compress the process into a much shorter time period.

I noticed that Anthony (@beachmuscles) was having a lot of success using various online platforms including Tinder, and concluded that this could be a very useful avenue for me as well and I don't like leaving pussy on the table. I've also noticed a trend where people tend to go out more in groups, or on already planned dates, as opposed to going out just to meet people, so it seems that the internet has lead to distribution and logistics innovations in the sexual market place as well.

The first issue I ran into when I downloaded Tinder was to find good pictures of myself, I've had photography as a hobby for years but I've never spent much time in front of a camera, and I don't really have a lot of pictures of myself suitable for a dating profile. I also know that people tend to be very poor judges of their own pictures, so I figured that I had to find a way to get 3 - 5 good pictures of myself.

This was what caused me to conduct this experiment because in absence of other pictures, I used my professional headshots for my Tinder profile along with filling out the default spaces in the profile including my alma matter and my job title, then overwhelmingly got responses from women ages 30 - 35 with professional jobs and University degrees. This is hardly my ideal demographic, so being that I know a thing or two about red pill theory I formulated an experiment. It was only intended to give me insight into online dating in general, and Tinder in particular, but when I mentioned it on The Red Man Group many men requested a write up, so here we go.

Read the whole writeup at: http://blacklabellogic.com/2018/08/24/gendernomics-the-tinder-picture-experiment/

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 52 points53 points  (5 children)

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a post here about that woman in NYC who tricked all those men into thinking they were on a date with her, then asking them to compete with each other. It makes my blood boil that some of them actually complied.

[–]wtf793 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen that twitter post. Crazy as fuck indeed.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Did she fuck the best beta?

[–]zestytacoz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably not but I'm sure he had the """""honor""""" of buying her dinner

[–]1atticusfinch1973 93 points94 points  (3 children)


Alpha profiles get more matches and older women are looking for beta providers.

Great experiment though.

[–]Safe_Space_Playpen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alpha profiles get more matches and older women are looking for beta providers.

It blows my mind that women >=30 are on apps like Tinder when their eggs are on quick-dry mode.

Do these women really expect to meet the beta of their dreams on hookup apps?

Are the semi-normal (not degenerate) ones LARPing as trad in church groups and on Match.com or is this a new trend?

[–]Da_llluminati 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow! almost as if it has shown what we have known all along!

[–]TheAirborne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference between the "Alpha" profile and the "Beta" profile in terms of matches was negligible. Second, we have no idea what the guy looks like (unless the pictures are posted and I missed it). We really have no idea how Alpha or Beta this guy looked even with the trappings.

The age difference certainly does prove what we've known before. That could be an effect of younger people being attracted to someone who appears younger and matches their interests and not necessarily confirming AfBb theory.

Would be interesting if we had a bunch of people on the sub do a similar type of experiment so we could aggregate results with the photos.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Jesus fuck you guys. Man spent a month A/B testing. shoveling shit so you don't have to.

And I read the comment section. self defeating bullshit.

I'm not even angry, just disappointed.

[–]redpharma7789 56 points57 points  (28 children)

Tinder is a women’s app now. If you are a decent looking female, you are getting bombarded with Likes from Men who could be well outside your desired radius.

One of my hot friends wanted to see how many people like her so I gave her my Tinder Gold for the day. She had her account for maybe an hour and already had 500+ likes from guys up to 100km away, hell even in the United States.

Depending on the local demographic (middle of no where vs college town vs big city), I noticed a large difference in how the Tinder game is played. College town is easy mode, big city is too serious and middle of no where is like Christian mingle.

[–]Gruss_p 23 points24 points  (0 children)

If woman is single and horny, she can get fuck date with male model in two clicks. Tinder is a women’s app, yes. And also five top % men app.

[–]Johns_Lemons 9 points10 points  (26 children)

Tinder is for validation only. No one hooks up there anymore.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 29 points30 points  (13 children)

Don't know what you're doing on there but I can get a hookup any time within a short time frame. It's like fish in a barrel.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

... says the top 5%-er male thinking everyone is like him

see /r/asktrp/comments/9947kp/why_tinder_is_a_waste_of_time_for_most_guys/e4l8992/ confirms: 1) be attractive 2) don't be unattractive 3) have game

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Don't hotlink any sub, including our own. Use an archive service. I'll approve this one though.

[–]Designated Reddit Flufferbanned_from_your_sub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you letting that beta spez cuck you? Where is your frame brah, why do you take shit from and bow down to such a simp provider?

Maybe if you had some balls and had held frame you could still brigade.

[–]submurged 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with @atticusfinch1973. I haven't been on in a while but if I ever wanted to could easily. I wouldn't consider myself a model or top 5% type. I'm not jacked. Dgaf about my profile photos, hell I even make them funny. It's what you make it, taking it too seriously is where you all fail. My people used to call me the tinder king, matches on matches on matches, they'd say I'd swipe right on every hoe lol. If you're not having fun then what is it all for right?

[–]markinsinz7 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yea but probably cause ur goodlookin, jacked, 6ft and have good photos

[–]1atticusfinch1973 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And these are all things you can control yourself except for the height. And if you're confident enough height doesn't matter.

[–]markinsinz7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

on tinder? face to face yea I'm perfectly aware confidence game and all that basic stuff comes into play. my point is - if u aint tall and aint that good lookin (atleast an 8 on the face) then I think tinder will straight up be about luck and every match will have to count. I do wish there was more info out there for how it is in the city cause like girls decide probably more on lifestyle thru photos than just looks cause it gets boring after a while just swipin on hot guys. I know in suburbs its all status and looks for sure.

[–]strikethrough123 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'm not tall or jacked, and have mirror selfies and I still fuck tinder hoes. If you can't find hookups on Tinder, you're just unattractive. Period.

[–]markinsinz7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmm with hotties? Hookups with 6 and below fuckk yea that is easy

[–]kremlinagent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bang tinder sloots from time to time idk

[–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I guess spewing this bs easier than actually fixing your photos and profile.

[–]Johns_Lemons 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I get tons of matches. It just doesn't go anywhere even if the girl acts interested. They just stop talking suddenly; they're only there to get matches and compliments

[–]3itiswr1tten 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You not skilled at fostering the post-match attraction then, friendo. It's the other 80% of the game online.

[–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Don't compliment them. When they're interested set something up.

Honestly, there are enough guys getting laid on Tinder.

[–]Johns_Lemons 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They aren't interested tho... They just want attention

[–]TheAC997 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm with you. I've gotten hundreds of matches, and met maybe 3%.

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    [–]Johns_Lemons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Pics or it didn't happen. Maybe it's just my area but they just aren't fucking interested

    [–]reallyeesah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    what did you say to her?

    [–]NikolaGeorgiev 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    validation only. No one hooks up there anymore. That's really interesting. Back when it started my sales funnel in a 1-3month period (depending on how much time I spent on Tinder while shitting) was something like: 1000 swipes > 100 matches > 20 dates > 5-10 fucks -> 1-2 plates/FWBs

    Right now its something like: 1000 swipes > 60 matches > 0-5 dates > 0-1 fucks -> 0-1 plates/FWBs

    And I've lost 10kgs (now I'm 184cm/90kg), dress better, have a bit more money, look better, and, generally have a higher SMV (photofeeler puts me in the 80th percentile, while back then I was somewhere in the 65-70th percentile).

    So now I use it only to have abundance mentality and almost never write to matches.

    [–]Johns_Lemons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Same. Makes me feel good to get all those matches so I'm more cocky when I talk to girls irl. But tinder itself? Worthless.

    [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've done probably +5000 swipes to get 600 matches > 2 dates and 2 fucks > still plating the two. It's all about pre-selection, you should "know" before the date that you are going to f--k them and the date proceeds on that trajectory. Kiss of cheek with hug immediately, then make-out within 15 minutes-20 minutes. If she touches you at any point within the first 15 minutes and esp. during making out, you touch her back on her ass or leg or you grab the side of her neck while kissing. You maintain eye contact with "I am going to fuck you tonight" look.. tell that chick to buy you a drink, if she immediately and willfully complies, you say when I am done with this drink, let's get out of here OR you just finish it and grab her hand and be like lets go...all of these she should willingly and eagerly comply...

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    [–]420KUSHBUSH 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Your experiment...was to make as best of a profile as you can???

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      [–]420KUSHBUSH 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      We should make one of the rules on the sub "No soliciting"

      [–]modTheRedPike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The Rule exists except for ECs. He gets to do this. There is also a rule against concern trolls.

      [–]Oliverott 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I have no use for Tinder, unless I become a pimp and I force my bitches to advertise their services to desperate males.

      >Hi Suzy, we matched!

      >Hi handsome

      >Do you really think I am handsome?

      >Sure, honey it is 300 roses for one hour and 200 for half hour!

      [–]Nergaal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Bleah. Running the experiment for a single hour while getting sub 50 matches is useless. Just run 10h and get std devs.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I've got some Coke, Pappy 15 and Tren back at the crib when you're ready to shed the voice modulator.

      Excellent correlation work Carlos.

      Dad's disappointed in the rest of you spoon-fed queers. Looksmatch me a sandwich to some of the food porn on your phones. At least you'll be doing something other than analyzing the footprints on your dicks. Or I'll just go ask your moms.

      You all need a week at GLO's Pinochet Helicopter School of Media and Improvised Landings.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      damn boi, that edge ya got there

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRuleZeroDAD 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Signal to noise ratio gets to me sometimes.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah, that cynicism for the readership hits all of us...

      [–]TheRealDennisVang 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I haven't use Tinder before but do people really use it to set up date or just get validation and never commit from what I read?

      [–]Felixsilly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Its easy to set up a date if a girl likes the pictures and profile.

      Some friends spend hours talking on the app. Yea, you can try negotiating into a date but there's plenty who don't need special treatment to give you the time of day.

      [–]sciroccomindrape0087 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Just hire a hooker. Or find a women woman with depression or some ascetic flake, and the. mind rape them into sex slavery. Those types of women tend to confused dipshits that can be led easily if you know how to play the game.

      [–]throwargie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Really I don't know what's the difference between tinder and just hiring a hooker. It's basically the same.

      [–]Nootmares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I loved reading the experiment, very interesting. Thank you

      [–]CMajorThe3rd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I love tinder, match in the morning fun in the evening, next.

      [–]technoredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This experiment is well setup, but as the author states, the sample size is ridiculously low and we shouldn't draw any conclusions at all. Any chance we can run it for longer?

      [–]BoilingBleach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Most of my game is in tinder and I farly often get laid off it. I'm 26 in a college town so that might be a good part of it.

      I just took the red pill recently because I was feeling dispair of finding girls but none of them would be "wife material" . To the point of going on the monk route.

      To use the same wording as feminism, it's empowering to know such woman just don't exist and you shouldn't even try to find her.