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Red Pill TheoryTraining Your Woman: Subliminal (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime

Early on in our relationship I mentioned to my LTR that I enjoyed a woman who cooks for her man. Not thinking much of the statement I continued on with things as normal. Two days later out of the blue she messages me to come over, as she's got a surprise for me. I arrive at her place to a candle lit, cooked dinner with a bottle wine. My mind immediately snapped back to our conversation we had two days earlier. I took note of this and have been employing this form of communication to some degree ever since.

For a man to derive any joy from a relationship he has to be able to influence the way his woman treats him. His likes and dislikes, his wants and desires. Inter-relationship dynamics often play a role as there's many subtleties one needs to navigate in order to get the message across effectively. Certain Opportunities arise in conversation to influence your woman’s thinking in such a way.

One such way of influencing this is Subliminal Influence

This is a way of subtlety conveying or working an idea, like or dislike into a conversation without directly mentioning said idea,like or dislike.

It's common knowledge that you can't negotiate attraction and therefore what she does, but you can influence it. With Subliminal Influence you take the focus off your partner, therefore mitigating the stonewall emotional response they would usually give. It places the focus on someone else/elsewhere, allowing them to remove themselves from the situation and absorb the information easier.

This can also be used to set and enforce boundaries, ultimately conditioning your partners mind to know what you enjoy and what you will not tolerate. Further on from this it can be used to communicate consequences/rewards for certain actions.

A woman who is attracted or respects you is always looking to please you or make you happy in some form or another. Subliminal Influence is offering her the solution to that problem without having to tell her to do it.

This is not something you go out of your way to do, simply when the opportunity arises in conversation, you provide them with a real life example of how you would respond to certain things, or state your likes and dislikes.

Subliminal Influence can be used for:

Likes:

Conveying things you enjoy or would like to do. Asking for it is a form of negotiating attraction and diminishes her desire to want to do it for you. Actions are best enjoyed when they are genuinely given out of desire. For example.

I love a woman who cooks for her man

I love it when a woman gives me a massage

I like blowjobs in the car

You're not directly telling or asking for any of the above, but you are planting a seed. Woman pay far more attention to details like this than you'd think. Ever wonder how a woman can recall information from 2 years ago that you made in casual passing that was erased from your memory 30 seconds later?

Dislikes:

Conveying dislikes subliminally is a simple way to set boundaries. A woman should know whats acceptable in a relationship and what's not but the majority of girls are growing up in feminized society, disillusioned by whats acceptable and whats not acceptable in a relationship. This is a great way to lay it out upfront.

I don't like woman who seek a lot of attention

I don't like woman with lots of guy friends

I don't like girls who party all the time.

Personally I've found this to be the most effective way of communicating dislikes. Imagine this in contrast to saying

I don't want you to have lots of guy friends.

I don't want you to go out partying

Which comes across at clingy and mate guarding. In my entire LTR I haven't had to directly tell her to not do anything. I've subliminally conveyed my boundaries and as long as she respects me she will bank it and respect it.

Consequences:

There's certain behaviors that require strong action. It's healthier for her to know upfront what these behaviors are and what the consequences are for going over the line. Many times conversations will come up about her friends or families behavior and I'll use it as an opportunity to let her know how I would react should she behave that way.

A friend who flirts with other guys. Yeah If I was her boyfriend I would have broken up with her on the spot.

A girl who goes and gets hammered on girls night. I couldn't be with someone like that, I'd leave her.

A woman who is moody all the time. I wouldn't be with someone like that who is so incessantly moody.

Once again the benefit here is that the focus is not on your partner it's on other people, so she's able to unemotionally register the information and the consequences you're conveying. Obviously you have to stick to the stated consequences or you'll be digging a hole for yourself.

Working these subtle little messages into conversations is a simple yet effective method of influence, however only effective if she respects you and desires your attraction. I'm not going to delve into how to obtain that there's enough content on here. Molding her thinking and knowledge of your likes, dislikes and consequences will allow her to better participate in your relationship, whilst also allowing you to derive more joy and less uphill.


[–]CapnPoot 117 points118 points  (50 children)

Double edged sword in my opinion. I used to do what you’ve outlined, but the harsh lesson I learned is that you should never teach a person how to trick you.

What I mean by this is that by telling a woman what you expect, you open the opportunity for her to temporarily become what you desire. Then, when she gets what she wants from you, she no longer has to play pretend.

From experience, the best way to teach a girl is by not teaching her. Keep your mouth shut, and watch how she acts without guidance. People don’t change who they are - they change how they act. If a girl naturally acts with red flags, you already have your answer.

[–]2chazthundergut 34 points35 points  (6 children)

Ding ding ding.

Why not just find a woman who likes cooking for her man? Who goes out of her way to please you however she can?

With abundance you can start to be selective. You can develop standards and vet chicks for potential LTR status.

I don't want a woman who sucks my dick because I asked her to. I want a woman who sucks my dick because she likes having my dick in her mouth. Does this make sense?

But yes, in any relationship you will need to extinguish or promote certain behaviors. I've found the best method with chicks is to be nonverbal about it.

Good behavior gets rewarded with attention and validation.

Bad behavior gets punished with withdrawal of attention and validation.

She only gets sex if she is being good, or is ready to be good after a fight. You dont bargain for her pussy; if anything she must bargain for your dick.

Good luck fellas.

[–]CapnPoot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Solid mindset here. Im not a fan of control, but more dudes need to be ready to walk away

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, with any investment you want it to be the most attractive option upfront.

But, as with any investment, you also need to manage it and be willing to cut your losses if it turns out to not be a good one.

Attention and withdrawal is the most effective way to manage an LTR. This is not so much an active way of managing. But more subtle conditioning when the opportunity arises.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I honestly think there is a fine line between keeping your mouth shut and getting to know each other what both like. She likes her pussy eaten as much as you like your dick to be sucked, but it won't really work if you both express how much you enjoy it. It's only natural that if you take you should also give, so it makes sense for the other to give.

On one hand, this would be called being a beta cuck, on the other hand, it's basically laying your cards on the table of what you like, see whether she is prepared to meet those needs, but also given you meet her needs aswell. It's a transaction and a relationship should work as 1+1=2,5, basically both receive from each other more than they invest, and a relationship is estabilished.

The thing is that if you tell her what you like and don't like, her effort to stop or start doing that might be low, but the result for you might be high. And it's the same if you compromise on some small things that are low effort for you but of high value for her.

Evolution is all about minimizing effort and maximizing results and a balance of what you need and what your environment offers.

[–]2chazthundergut 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can show a woman you like your dick sucked without talking about it.

Like stick it in her mouth during sexytime.

I like having my nipples sucked and played with. My lady friend was on her knees with her hands on my thighs and my dick in her throat. So I just grabbed her hands and physically put them on my boobs. She got the message and started pinching and squeezing my nipples right away. She never took my dick out of her mouth, and I never said a word.

You are the man. Dont sit down with a chick and tell her you want your dick sucked. Show her.

[–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright, I took that example but here we are talking about sex which is mostly non-verbal when you're busy and you don't talk about it afterwards. I also like to grab her in the changing room and just fuck her on the spot without saying a word and we don't talk about it afterwards either.

Just whatever works, if you like her to get fit, just get her to tag along with fitness and sometimes that goes by opening your mouth by saying "Join me" or whatever. I don't need to say I want to get my dick sucked, but some things do require opening your mouth and using your vocal chords.

[–]zyqkvx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't want a woman who sucks my dick because I asked her to. I want a woman who sucks my dick because she likes having my dick in her mouth. Does this make sense?

Ah, the Dick Talk. I give this talk at the end of every relationship. I end it by adding, "It's not fair to all of the other dicks out there that you do want to suck."

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 17 points18 points  (33 children)

It's more a form of subtle conditioning than telling her what you expect.

If she respects and is attracted to you, she will work for that attraction. This is using that leverage to direct her behaviour. That by no means gives you license to give her comfort. You need to still maintain abundance, maintain value, maintain all the drivers that keep a woman chasing your attraction.

From experience, the best way to teach a girl is by not teaching her.

Often a woman, especially younger inexperienced ones have the best intentions but need to learn how to please YOU as an individual. This is where you training her comes in. To channel those good intentions into good results.

As someone on here once said. If you get a dog, you can either let it be a dog, or you can train it to be your dog. That's for you to decide.

[–]cpk8080 10 points11 points  (3 children)

This isn't the best advice man, if you understand anything about psychology, you will understand that when enough time passes in the relationship, women will feed off a mans fears. You're basically giving her the information she needs so she can keep secrets easier. CapnPoot has it right, keep your mouth shut and observe without guidance.

Example: I had a co-worker who was super bp, ready to do anything for his marriage, scared shitless of divorce and would do anything he could in his power to keep his woman happy so she would never divorce him. How do you think that shaped the way she behaved?

I don't like woman who seek a lot of attention: She'll seek attention behind your back

I don't like woman with lots of guy friends: She'll start deleting text messages and phone calls from guys off cell phone

I don't like girls who party all the time: She'll downplay any party/girls night as if it were a tame meet-up with friends.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You’re mistaking dislikes with fears.

A man should never fear a woman who seeks a lot of attention.

He should never fear a woman with a lot of guy friends.

He shouldn’t fear a woman who parties all the time.

A dislike is more of an ultimatum. If it happens, I’m out. That’s the message I’m conveying.

A woman who respects and values her man doesn’t do things he dislikes because SHE fears that if she does it she will lose him.

And if she does do it, then she doesn’t respect you and it’s over anyway.

Your friend employed blue pill behavior and got blue pill results, simple as that.

[–]nikopua 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't the best advice man, if you understand anything about psychology, you will understand that when enough time passes in the relationship

It means it will work good for plates.

[–]CapnPoot 5 points6 points  (27 children)

Often a woman, especially younger inexperienced ones have the best intentions

Girls are like cats. Most of them do not give a fck about you. When they do, its not actual love, its a feeling of security, which in turn gives them a sense of comfort, and subsequently “love”. It is rare to find a girl who falls in love via respect, although they certainly exist.

Also, lol @ thinking there are “young inexperienced girls” older than 20yo in 2018. By the age most people are going to start dating girls, they are usually set in their ways. They are either whores, or not. At that point, anything you “teach” them will be superficial, as I have outlined in my post above.

[–]colcrnch 8 points9 points  (4 children)

So people here actually believe that women are incapable of love?

Your description about women taking in love with security may make sense. But it isn’t any different fundamentally than the way a man falls in love with a woman and whatever it is that she makes him feel.

I think some of you guys are a bit naff.

[–]CapnPoot 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Please re-read what I wrote. I wrote “most girls”, not “all girls”. And the way men and women fall in love is absolutely different.

There are too many women who will marry a guy solely because he’s rich, has status, or is good looking. On the flip side, there are very few men who would marry a girl solely because of wealth or status.

The closest argument is a man who would marry for looks... and even then, majority of men I know dump hot girls for girls they respect.

I used to think the roles were reversed, but reality and experience have taught me that Disney pulled a fast one on us.

[–]colcrnch -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Ok but lots of men marry women just because they are beautiful. One isn’t better than the other in my opinion.

[–]CapnPoot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Are you reading my responses? I addressed that.

Go on google, and search “handsome man with ugly woman”, it happens all the time. Now google “beautiful woman with ugly man”... notice anything interesting? All the men are either wealthy, or have status. You will almost never see an attractive woman with an uglier man, unless they can offer wealth or status... because that is what matters to most women.

On the flip side, what does an attractive man have to gain from a woman who is average looking, with no status, and normal wealth?

You sound like youre a woman (not an insult), so I’ll tell you what I say to all of my girl friends who I argue with over the same topic: think about all of your girl friends, and tell me what I am saying is not true.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beauty is subjective. Men marry that beauty based on some false societal/cultural/family forced belief that they will "grow" together.

In two of your responses, you have ignored more than half of what CapnPoot was saying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children)

When they do, its not actual love, its a feeling of security, which in turn gives them a sense of comfort, and subsequently “love”

Lack of security and comfort is what will make a woman think she loves you

Give her security and comfort she stops working for your attention and watch hypergamy unfold.

Often a woman, especially younger inexperienced ones have the best intentions

I don't disagree with the rest of your statements, but this post is not about woman in general.

We're talking about a partner here. So that's assuming you've done vetting already. She passed your criteria, shown no red flags, low n count etc. which could happen to be

“young inexperienced girls”

my LTR is one of them. Granted rare though.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Rare in terms of youthful experience, ofcourse no unicorn.

    [–]CapnPoot 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Lack of security and comfort is what will make a woman think she loves you

    Give her security and comfort she stops working for your attention and watch hypergamy unfold.

    Two sides of the same coin - she needs to believe you provide comfort before the fear of losing it (“dread”) amplifies and extends her attraction to you (albeit temporarily).

    We're talking about a partner here. So that's assuming you've done vetting already. She passed your criteria, shown no red flags, low n count etc. which could happen to be

    I don’t think you specified that in your post, which you probably should. Teaching a young inexperienced girl how to act is one thing, since they might learn, but like I said, teaching an older woman can be disastrous.

    my LTR is one of them. Granted rare though.

    Be careful my dude. Even the young ones that you teach are easily corruptible. All it takes is one whorish friend who gives them fomo, and it won’t matter if you’re Brad Pitt.

    [–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    teaching an older woman can be disastrous.

    I think this depends on how they take care of themselves and how strong the men in their lives were. The bitter, fat, aggressive woman that had to be the actual 'man' in the relationship is very difficult to turn around.

    A successful woman that has taken care of herself and is still feminine are some of the best Submissives. They are witty and understand the dynamics of learning to please. It's usually intimidated men that put women like this down.

    (I am NOT talking about some brainwashed feminist that wants to scream fuck everything to get her way.)

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Two sides of the same coin - she needs to believe you provide comfort before the fear of losing it (“dread”) amplifies and extends her attraction to you (albeit temporarily).

    It's more the dread of losing a high value man, than losing the comfort he provides her. Agreed that you do need to provide some level of comfort in a relationship though.

    teaching an older woman can be disastrous

    Agreed, back to the dog training example. Can get a puppy and train it how you want. Or get an old dog and try teach it new tricks.

    All it takes is one whorish friend who gives them fomo, and it won’t matter if you’re Brad Pitt

    Absolutely, but then it's time to drop her and move on to one of the other 2 million woman in my city.

    [–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Or get an old dog and try teach it new tricks.

    Easily done.

    The above is one of the most misused sayings. It is for lazy people who say because I'm older I don't have to learn. Successful men Never stop learning new tricks.

    I never heard the dog whisperer use this saying.

    [–]CapnPoot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    All fair points. But my point still stands that the age of the girl matters, which you have since clarified.

    Also, whose downvoting us? This is a civil conversation smh

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Haha guess people don’t enjoy civil discourse.

    [–]1ozaku7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Please define actual love, because for most guys, "actual love" means "mommy replacement" and that's what women hate. Women want someone who they can look up to, someone who has his shit together and can be fully independent and while he does his own thing, the woman can take the benefits from it. Former sucks her mental energy out, latter feeds her mental energy.

    That's what women love, that's how women gain. Women will cook for you if you show them that by not wasting your time on cooking you can do other stuff that would otherwise take them more effort than cooking for you. In the meantime that task will take you less time than cooking for both of you, so it's a win-win if you look at it in a transactional way. Also, I would like my woman more if she would cook for me with a smile, and I would want to make her happy by doing other things for her I'm good at. It's all about the role that you're the leader and she supports you.

    You're the traveler on an adventure, and she tags along to enjoy whatever you do while she is making your life easier and more pleasant as a thank you. That's synergy.

    [–]indecencies 0 points1 point  (11 children)

    As someone who has dated solely non western women. For the past few years, they absolutely exist. Just GTFO of USA and Western Europe.

    [–]CapnPoot 1 point2 points  (10 children)

    Lol dude please dont perpetuate that misinformation.

    Women are the same around the world, and any girl who isnt yet corrupted soon will be if put in the proper environment

    [–]indecencies 0 points1 point  (9 children)

    You sound like the type of guy who hasn't ever been out of the USA.

    Fact of the matter is that Western woman are shit tier, plain and simple, once you've experienced women from Eastern countries (as long as they aren't super addicted to Western media or something). Millions of young women in Eastern and Southern Asia that grew up in villages ffs, with limited electricity and so on, that move on to colleges on suburbs of major cities - and they're all classically trained to follow masculine lead. And if you deny that, I don't know what I can say - it's something I've lived and breathed my self in my travels and relationships.

    [–]CapnPoot 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    I’ve been out of the USA plenty. What I’ve found is that in all westernized countries, women are exactly the same.

    If I ventured out to some country with Sharia Law and found a girl in a shack, I’m sure I’d find a submissive girl... until we would come back to America, where she would learn of feminism, resulting in a divorce-rape and debtors jail.

    [–]indecencies 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Nope, I said Eastern/Southern Asia. The fact that you think those kind of girls can only be found in some Sharia Law country proves that you've not been anywhere outside of the West.

    Eastern Europe and Eastern Asia are home to entirely different countries than those the West.

    [–]CapnPoot 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I was just giving an example. My point still stands - even in a culture where gender roles are drilled into women’s heads, it can be undone quickly in America.

    Also, you should look into horror stories here about guys who thought Eastern/Southern Asian women were different. The stories almost always result in them getting chameleoned

    [–]indecencies 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Also, you should look into horror stories here about guys who thought Eastern/Southern Asian women were different. The stories almost always result in them getting chameleoned

    I've read many of those stories lol. Those are the kind of dudes that are fat, lazy, or ugly or even all of the above and couldn't get a chick back in US so they get a shit tier one in Asia. The people who do that deserve the women they get - they're underdeveloped children. On top of that, sadly, I know many of those guys who are shit tier and *deserve* those horror stories, but honestly end up with a lovely wife and a good life. It kind of makes me mad because they represent Westerners so horribly and imo it's a huge DLV for Westerners, but oh well.

    My point still stands - even in a culture where gender roles are drilled into women’s heads, it can be undone quickly in America.

    And? I'll let you in on a secret: You don't have to move back to US. I never did. I love my life.

    [–]p3n1x 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    corrupted soon will be if put in the proper environment

    I don't know what peoples problem is with CapnPoot and reading/comprehension.

    Sorry Asia-women-are-so-awesome guy, but put your little farm princess in a new cultural setting and she will get corrupted. She is human. Many of those women you are talking about are also not that attractive and are boring as fuck. You aren't the only one who travels.

    [–]indecencies -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Sorry Asia-women-are-so-awesome guy, but put your little farm princess in a new cultural setting and she will get corrupted. She is human. Many of those women you are talking about are also not that attractive and are boring as fuck. You aren't the only one who travels.

    Where did I disagree with that, you fucking moron?

    Also, face it, the only thing you consider "non-boring" are those Western women who you hate so much. You have a small, narrow minded ass view (probably because you have not, in fact, traveled outside of the West). You only find the sluttiness, hip-hop following degenerate personalities of Western women attractive. In other words, the only way your little brain can be stimulated is apparently through being culturally cucked. Sad as fuck.

    By the way, I repeated the words Eastern women multiple times. I prefer Eastern European over Asian, although Asian are nice too. Sorry to disappoint your biases. Uh oh? What's that? Your reading comprehension is as fucked as you made mine out to be in all reality? Sad.

    Go outside for once in your life, incel.

    [–]1ozaku7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, you can't really make a partygirl stop partying all of a sudden, or stop seeing her male friends.
    She can adjust a little, but adjusting much more will take effort that will not last, and you've basically picked a girl that doesn't match your needs. Just look for one with whom you match and the relationship will be almost effortless. It's no point to date a 9/10 and change her personality from skank to perfect housewife. Just settle with a 7/10 with whom you click like it's your twin.

    I've had a 45 year old fuck me so hard I forgot about those tight 20's pussies. For fucks sake, one can be supermodel hot but dryingpaint-boring, or okay-looking but a ton of fun who's a beast in bed. I know what I want.

    [–]SimpleJacked 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    All women become what you desire temporarily until you no longer benefit them. Helping her do that better doesn't mean falling for the illusion(ltr). It means more food and a cleaner house.

    You encourage compliance through action. You draw stronger connections to a traditional gender role and she is happier for it. Sex is better. Her drama is shorter lived.

    The biggest negative to this approach is the next guy to meet her will wife her. You taught her how to please a man and he will fall for the illusion hard. But you don't deserve a happy life if you let a woman run it.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Spot on.

    And the next guy can wife her, It’s good until it’s not, and then life goes on.

    [–]CapnPoot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Helping her do that better doesn't mean falling for the illusion(ltr). It means more food and a cleaner house.

    See the thing is, most guys don’t know that. Most guys think the girl is somehow perfect for them, and they dont realize the adapting that is taking place. It’s important to clarify for that very reason, as many guys can fall for the trap.

    Otherwise I agree with most of what you are saying

    [–]graceful_aggression 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I agree with this post. The girl (as well as you, the man) can only maintain some persona that isn't natural for a timeframe that has an expiry date. Just vet well at the beginning when you want to upgrade a plate. Flip the selection process. Smoothen her edges but don't flat out get something pointy and plan to sandpaper it down !

    [–]CapnPoot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. Nice analogy btw lol

    [–]p3n1x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    A man should never have to be "covert" with a woman.

    Mentioning something 'overtly', such as, "I like pancakes" and then she makes pancakes the next day is NOT some subliminal voodoo.

    [–]Ihatemoi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "People dont change who they are - they change how they act." I needed to remind myself of this. Thank you.

    [–]phuckingrooving 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think some of them have already figured it out. They play the long con, and before you know it, married, kids, mortgage, minivan... I vacationed in fucking Mexico last year. On a beach. Not a mountain or lake in site.

    Twenty phucking years wasted. I don't remember my last concert.

    But i know the lyrics to cardy b.

    [–]PurpleVeteran 17 points18 points  (6 children)

    I'm not sure you understand what "subliminal" means. It's certainly not saying the words outright -- that's simply called communication.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    It’s not direct communication. It’s influencing their thinking without them really being aware that you’re influencing it.

    [–]-uftw- 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Agreed with PurpleVeteran here, what you describe isn't "subliminal", it's simply indirect communication.

    Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post and have used this tool with women as well, the only prerequisite being, as you mentioned, that she has to care about you.

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      [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Not passive aggressive at all. It’s simply conditioning. This is not something you should go out of your way to do. If the conversation comes up, take the opportunity to convey how you would react to the situation in said conversation. It makes for a more relatable example for your woman.

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        [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You’re making the mistake of thinking you should go out of your way to communicate in this manner. That you should communicate like this instead of using other methods. This is simply taking the opportunity, when the conversation comes up(and they will a lot of you and your LTR talk) to influence their thinking. It should be used in conjunction with not in place of.

        [–]ToryTosh1922 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I think there's a fine line between being subliminal and being passive.

        Don't get me wrong, it works, but I've never intentionally done it. Women are great at reading people and the slightest whiff of disengeniousness reeks to them.

        Point in case being when I wasn't thinking one time and blurted out to one of my exes in a half-drunk state "I find slutty nurses sexy." A couple of days later I came home and she pounced on me wearing red heels and a slutty nurse costume she ordered on Prime literally minutes after I said that.

        Now, if I'd have said this passively with the intention to influence her behaviour I think it would have put her off and something would have told her something doesn't seem right.

        The fact I said it in a non-attached, no-fucks-given, way was the most important factor.

        It's not what you say, but how you say it

        [–]RobotAntidote 12 points13 points  (2 children)

        " Early on in our relationship I mentioned to my LTR that I enjoyed a woman who cooks for her man "

        " Two days later out of the blue she messages me to come over, as she's got a surprise for me. I arrive at her place to a candle lit, cooked dinner with a bottle wine. My mind immediately snapped back to our conversation we had two days earlier "

        This... this is not subliminal dude, just check the definition. Not to mention she's clearly playing you.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

        Definition-Influencing someone’s thinking without them being aware of it

        Which is essentially what this is

        Care to elaborate how she’s playing me?

        [–]rockstarberst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        How was she not aware?

        You said you love a girl that cooks -- and 2 days later she made you a home-cooked meal?

        She's well aware, dude.

        edit: swapped out made for cooked.

        [–]HeWhistlesNHeRuns 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        This is not subliminal; it is indirect.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I agree indirect may be a better fit, but if you get the point of the post I’m satisfied.

        [–]le_dod0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        My 2 cents: This works well only for DISLIKES. Setting boundaries without directly involving her.

        Likes can and will be used to manipulate you. Likes are like ammunition for HER.

        [–]hiddenpleasures123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        The only thing you should be training is yourself. Be a catch women want and they won't do disrespectful shit in fear they'll lose you.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I agree in terms of women in general. However an LTR by definition means you’re somewhat invested in that woman. Like any investment you need to manage it as best as you can.

        [–]3LiveAFTSOV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Agreed. Fit men with many ways to reach women are not stressed on training women

        [–]NormalAndy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Honestly, I just tell them straight these days. I am the prize after all...

        [–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        You post every day bro. Is it for the 5th point ?

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        You post every day bro. Is it for the 5th point ?

        Gunning for that endorsement. Personally I'd be embarrassed to have THREE points. It's like, you're good, but you're not good enough.

        I'm serious. I hesitate to make posts now because I don't know what's worse: a third point or the endorsement. I will fucking abandon my account if that happens.

        [–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Lmao. You wish you had 3 points like me.

        But yeah it's exactly that.

        Especially the "you're good, but not good enough."

        No worries though.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Lmao. You wish you had 3 points like me.

        yeah lmao too; actually I thought it was good when you got that 3rd, it put you up on me and dmva, where you belong. Astounding that you are so young with so much awareness. You have extracted a lot of meaning from your experiences, obviously.

        If I had come across TRP when I was younger, I would have laughed. I was winning too hard to understand. Women always did what I wanted. But I didn't realize I had magical powers and I misused them (misused the women AND the magical powers LOL).

        [–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Lmao. I laughed in real life.

        When I got my 3rd, the cap was moved to 4, then Kiefler got 4, now cap is 5. Lol

        [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yes I wish! Haha nah, I don’t place too much value on the points, got a lot of archived stuff coupled with an abundance of free time at the moment to sit and talk shit in places like this

        [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        what's not but the majority of girls are growing up in feminized society, disillusioned by whats acceptable and whats not acceptable in a relationship. This is a great way to lay it out upfront.

        wow... I never thought of it like this. I mean, nowadays MOST men let women get away with whatever they want. I never really looked at it from the other side.

        [–]BubbleNuts2413 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        One problem you are likely to run into with this approach is she'll interpret your comments on other females as an attack on her personally.

        Remember Rollo's points on the sisterhood. It transcends everything, including religion, political ideology, and any other established loyalties.

        She'll find it necessary to defend the sisterhood since, on a basic subconscious level, she knows she's defending her own thoughts/desires. When you point out the flaws in the feminine, they will normally take it as an attack on them personally.

        It will almost always be met with a rebuttal like, "But men..." or "If men didn't..."

        They'll always defend and justify the thoughts or behaviors of your criticism because it all comes down to hypergamy.

        While it's true that women despise each other based on the fact they're always competing for the most optimal alpha male or his attention, they also sense the threat on their sexual strategy.

        [–]korprus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's important to keep in mind that whichever dislikes you mention can be used as ammunition against you at some future point.

        Don't like it when she gets hammered with the girls? Well, guess what she's gonna do when she's pissed off at you?

        I've seen it touched upon in the comments here more or less, but women aren't stupid, and can readily utilize any and all means at their disposal to test you.

        [–]Cantloginhere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        These are NLP conversational commands. You are Ross Jeffries and I claim my $5.

        [–]awakenedspirit1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Honestly I cannot believe I never thought of this. This is a fantastic idea. It's so funny, as a BP I worked super hard to not set boundaries (I actually said you have 'maximun autonomy'). This is a great way to intro boundaries. Thanks!

        [–]Pink-Heart -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

        Girls are not dump, they will guess what you're trying to do. If you want a girl to do something for you, do it to her first. If you want her to make a massage to you, make her a massage first.

        [–]3itiswr1tten 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Your bitch management skills are absolute trash if you have to do everything first to get what you actually want.

        [–]Pink-Heart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You have a point, but I didn't say "bitch". I said a girl, someone you may be interested in.