Red Pill TheoryAn RP aware man is safe (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by majorbollocks[🍰]

On the surface this seems counter-intuitive especially to the BP beta boys. But to a woman who just wants to fuck, it makes complete and total sense.

Here's what she gets if she decides to fuck Billy Beta:

  1. Awkward convos that last too long because the idiot can't tell that she wanted to fuck 2 hours ago.
  2. Really bad sex because he ruins the rhythm and flow by always wanting to be "respectful" and "put her first" when all she really wants is to let go and enjoy the ride.
  3. Awkwardness the morning after because it's been ten years since the idiot got laid and he really really reaaalllyyyy wants to see her again.
  4. No concept of discretion because Billy Beta just has to tell everybody not to tell anyone what just happened with him and hot bombshell.
  5. Possible stalking because again, clueless as he is, he's not able to take hints and needs to be told outright that it was a one time thing and he "can't accept that" and "we'd be so good together".
  6. Loss of friendship if they were friends before the "big deal" happened.


That's not fun for anyone. Man or woman.


Enter RP Chad and here's what she gets:

  1. The dude gets it. She just broadcasts the "fuck me" signals and she can get dick in her within 30 mins or less.
  2. RP men lift so there's validation on top of the sex, and she gets to see her friends get jealous. Wait you're all lifting aren't you?
  3. Sex is good because she gets to let go and be in his world for a while.
  4. If she decides that the sexual chemistry isn't there, she can just drop the dude and it won't affect him that much because he's also spinning plates. Buyer's remorse is very expensive with betas, but is effortless with RP men.
  5. Less possibility of creepy shit such as stalking, clinginess, etc because again, he has options and has no reason to waste time on some broad who doesn't want him.
  6. Discretion is usually guaranteed with an RP man because again, he spins plates and sex is not such a huge deal to him.
  7. RP men are drama free and it's always easy to just call them up to fuck after being frustrated by the latest needy beta bitch.


This is not an exhaustive list but it highlights the main reason why women love to keep so-called "jerks" around as their fuck toys. For a woman to go out there just for sex and end up losing friendships, being called out as a slut to her social circle, being stalked and harassed to no end just because she said no, it's just too risky.


The only problem with the RP man is that he won't commit, but if she had to choose between dealing with her own heartbreak and all the risks of fucking a beta, she'll take the heartbreak anytime. In fact a lot of girls love the drama anyway.


So sexual strategy wise it helps to see from a woman's perspective on why RP principles work and why beta boys are actually a huge risk and the RP "jerks" are the ones that are safe for casual fucking.


Bonus: If you prove to her time and time again that you are this type of guy, you'll be able to fuck her on and off indefinitely as long as you want to.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 219 points220 points  (24 children)

The only problem with the RP man is that he won't commit, but if she had to choose between dealing with her own heartbreak and all the risks of fucking a beta, she'll take the heartbreak anytime

Women love the emotional drama of potential heartbreak: beats boredom anyday.

[–]patrykgam 81 points82 points  (23 children)

Boredom and easiness just makes them leave for the next guy that won't be fucking boring. My LTR said what got her completely invested at the beginning was the unknown and the excitement of not knowing what my intentions were with her.. Seems counter productive but w/e, works for me

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 62 points63 points  (5 children)

At some level they also enjoy the torment of potentially losing.

[–]cubicpolynomial3 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I just had an epiphany reading this comment.

There's no point playing a game where you're guaranteed to win. There's no challenge, enjoyment, or anticipation for either a guy or a girl. So why would a girl want to stay with a dude where she's guaranteed commitment? There's no excitement there.

It's not that she needs to be manipulated or even that she enjoys it. It's just human nature.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 17 points18 points  (2 children)

So why would a girl want to stay with a dude where she's guaranteed commitment? There's no excitement there.

Evolutionarily speaking: if commitment is assured (especially without her earning it), he's a loser.

It's not that she needs to be manipulated or even that she enjoys it. It's just human nature.


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    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    We're misled by society to believe we are valueless: that the objective of our being is to saddle ourselves to some ungrateful woman. Worse: the more we sacrifice the more genuine our love is.

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Yes, human mind wants to figure out how to play all the games that it possibly can to a level where it is 99% efficient at that game, and then move on to the next game. Set up a game for her to play that she hasn't experienced before, and let her work through it like a maze.

    [–]Thunderbird93 26 points27 points  (13 children)

    I've come to the conclusion women want to be manipulated not loved,hence why it's called game.

    [–]Sciptr 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    I also want to know where you found this. I can't remember the last time where manipulating turned into an even partially acceptable connection. Usually they know whats happening and it goes from an enjoyable connection, fling, or even relationship, into a hate game.

    [–]Thunderbird93 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Best way is to look at nature. Even buffalo fight each other first to see which is most dominant. The strongest then gets mating rights. Its all a dance, a predictable game. Manipulation is but ethical egotistical calibration of the game to ones benefit. We humans enjoy the game just as much as other mammals. That's why nice guys get knocked out. They don't adapt to the game, they only play the nice card. What about the dominant card, the abundance card, the outcome independence card? Manipulation sounds wrong but it is just a description, increase the cards in your deck and learn to play accordingly by adapting to the girl.

    [–]Thunderbird93 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Bro hate isn't the opposite of love, its indifference. As long as she is feeling emotion your not in the dog house yet. I mean man just look at texting game. Its all a mind fuck to see which party has more power. Chicks purposeful text back hours later on purpose just to create the illusion that they have more value. I've known chicks to hint at me that they want to be hate fucked/extremely dominated, as the dude in Sex God Method says its all psychological.

    [–]Sciptr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Mad respect for your positive response. How do you go about handing that hour long response game?

    [–]Thunderbird93 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Keep in mind the objective statistic that there are billions of people on this planet my bro. Chicks are like buses, one comes around every 15 minutes. I've also found humor to be the best. Straight ego-death, I don't take myself too seriously. Check the Jester out, one of the best I've read. Stay blessed my bro


    [–]SensualSeduction01 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    How did u land on that conclusion?

    [–]Thunderbird93 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Harsh experience. Logic is cold and consistent, emotion is warm but ephemeral. Its a tradeoff. Women tend to be more emotional and therefore their moods oscillate like a wave. Thats why machiavellian manipulation works well.

    [–]SensualSeduction01 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    How r u defining manipulation here?

    [–]Thunderbird93 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Playing to your strengths in order to achieve your goal irregardless of morality. I'm not condoning rape, just mind fucking. Consider Odysseus, he was vilified by the Romans with their rigid honor code but celebrated by the Greeks for his cunning. Odysseus' cunning is the kind of manipulation I'm talking about. When he comes up with the Trojan Horse to get inside Troy's walls, when he fooled the giant Polyphemus and got him drunk and blinded him. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, utilize ur strength and exploit anothers weaknesses is the name of the game for me :)

    [–]SensualSeduction01 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    But like in a romantic way, lol. Otherwise i can’t see myself getting hard to that.

    Or that I’m missing something.

    [–]Thunderbird93 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Lets contrast doggystyle to missionary. One is hardcore animalism,the other is sentimental lovey dovey. Gotta caibrate between both ends of the spectrum. If your too romantic you'll get labelled as beta. Just my opinion

    [–]SensualSeduction01 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I feel like we’re on the same page

    [–]1dongpal 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    My ex asked for years what my intentions were at the begining/first meetup. I actually didnt know it myself anymore really so I never gave her a real answer, for me it was real useless question. Why would I care what my intentions was years ago? But the question occupied her for the whole LTR. After reading your comment I might now know why.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    It absolves her of all responsibility, so long as she can live under a veil of plausible deniability so she isn't held accountable for anything, ever. And it's an extremely destructive pathological behaviour, and it leads to unimaginable ruin and chaos. It's not even a maybe, it is certainly what happens, every single time, down to a science. The kids end up parentless and broken, the fathers nuts are castrated, the mother becomes a crazy whore, all because the father couldn't tie her down and lead her.

    [–]1dongpal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What absolves her of all responsibility? What are you refering to?

    [–]TheFlyingPro 42 points43 points  (0 children)

    This is the basic PUA concept of β€œwhy you should be an alpha male instead of a needy nice guy”, but you added some solid theory to it.

    Good job

    [–]JcHgvr 119 points120 points  (12 children)

    Making a bullet point thread why it's fun being dicked by Chad.

    Mental masturbation 101.

    [–]trizzletrazzle808 31 points32 points  (8 children)

    I'm glad I'm not only one picking up on that. I think it's an issue we should be discussing as a community. Also, am I the only one suspicious of how some guys communicate on this board? I mean, if that's how you're coming across on a forum, I can only imagine how the real world is looking at you. I get this is also a safe space for guys to vent while dealing with wrapping their heads around this stuff, but allowing some of these wannabes to post articles or nuggets of "wisdom" as if they have come down from the mountains to tell us all how to Red Pill is not helping generate forward momentum for him or anybody else. I may just be mostly a lurker and a novice here, but I think if you're still speaking about women with a heavy dose of contempt, you're missing the point entirely. It seems like a waste of energy carrying a chip on your shoulder towards women, and probably self sabotaging. Especially since if you've read the sidebar, you'll already know you're wasting time and energy getting mad a woman's basic pathological nature that you could be using in a more productive manner. Again, not deliberately throwing shade at OP, just an observation.

    [–]RemyPrice 16 points17 points  (5 children)

    This forum is about being a better dude. Not pickup. Most people here are missing the point.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Look at the top right of the screen on the sidebar.

    The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

    [–]trizzletrazzle808 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    That's some tit for tat nonsense.

    I thought it was pretty clear that self improvement IS sexual strategy. The higher quality of life you're living will in fact attract a higher "quality" of woman. It is then up to you to communicate sexually, escalate, yadda, yadda, etc. Which, again, if it's something you gotta learn, it probably falls under the self improvement banner. Like balancing a check book, or proper front squat form.

    Maybe you should go read the sidebar again, budday, because I'm not vibing with you having endorsements if that's the best you got.

    [–]RemyPrice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. Improve yourself first.

    Women are not THE GAME. They’re just a result of continual self-improvement and mastery.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It's one form of it. It's not the end all to sexual strategy. My posts echo what you said about raising SMV. You're not teaching me anything budday. If you wanna buck up your chest to an EC over nothing go ahead. Doesn't change the fact that TRP is a salad bar; you take what you want and leave what you don't want. TRP includes more than just self-improvement.

    [–]untonyto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Upvoted for insight. And mentioning front squat form.

    [–]Zarathustraliver 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    OP doesn't come across as mad

    [–]trizzletrazzle808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't know, man. The tone of his writing just comes off as sour grapes with a bit a salt on top. If I'm understanding the theory surrounding women, dating, and relationships correctly, the point is to achieve a state of "Amused Mastery" in our dealings with women. Nothing about OP's tone of writing comes off as amused to me. In my opinion, at best I think this list comes off a little corny and missing the point, and at worst, it's low hanging fodder for our detractors.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Yeah i hate how i come onto this sub just for mental masturbation... i keep telling myself its better than Facebook or youtube but really its the same thing... wasting away... I'd be much better off in the gym. Fuck it, im going to work out right now. Fuck you, see you later.

    [–]randomTATRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, it is definitively better than filling up your precious memory with FB/YT bullshit, here atleast if you read carefully you can learn something.

    [–]majorbollocks[S,🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Maybe you missed the part where I said she might not enjoy being dicked by Chad and not want to fuck him anymore. This is not a Chad-glorifying post. It's just looking at risk vs rewards of casual sex from a woman's perspective. Please learn to read

    [–]3CainPrice 32 points33 points  (3 children)

    Good points. Women specifically avoid casual sex with guys who aren't already part of the casual sex culture.

    Fucking a guy who doesn't casually fuck women often risks him pushing for a relationship and having to awkwardly ignore or reject him later. Guys who don't fuck often make a huge deal out of sex. The sex will also suck.

    Plus, even fucking a guy who's decent and dateable is risky for the girl. She might catch feelings.

    She would rather have casual sex with a guy she knows isn't looking for a relationship, who is nothing like the kind of guy she'd want to date. But the guy is hot and fun and experienced so the sex is good.

    Being a hot, fun asshole communicates that you're the perfect kind of guy to hook up with. Even if you're not currently part of the casual sex culture, act like you are or you'll never break in.

    [–]omega_dawg93 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    agreed. i've literally had 'wild, easy' girls tell me, "i don't want to meet you yet... i'm not ready to settle down."

    at first, i took this as a put-down, and i asked WTF? she said it wasn't a put down but that she, "saw me as a catch," and it would FORCE her to keep her emotions in-check or risk catching feelings when all she wanted to do is 'have fun.'


    not a 'humble-brag.' that day i realized that girls like to screw around and get a lot of dick... just like men like to get a lot of pussy before settling down. the only difference is men like to BRAG about how much pussy we got before settling down while women need to BURY that past as fast and as efficiently as possible (when she's done).

    [–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Took me a long time to get to the point where I have mostly internalized what you've said. However, my BP tendencies still flair up from time to time, so I have to consciously suppress them thanks to TRP teaching.

    For example I would push to be exclusive with girls early in during my BP period, but now I sit back and watch them chase me, trying to figure out what I want.

    [–]temerity18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This made so many pieces of the puzzle suddenly fall into place it's like an earthshattering revelation.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Bonus: If you prove to her time and time again that you are this type of guy, you'll be able to fuck her on and off indefinitely as long as you want to


    This is the best part. This is seriously the best part. Keep your mouth shut, tell yourself what a player you are, and keep fucking her. It's so, so good.

    [–]majorbollocks[S,🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    they keep coming back for more

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    This, my dudes, is WHY you have go get out, approach women, fail, go over the Game Film, go back out, approach again, fail, lather, rinse, repeat. It's a skill and you WILL get good at it.

    After 50 approaches, you will have zero fear of approaching an uber-hottie. After 100 approaches, you will thinkg "What is the most fucked up thing I can say to this girl and still pull?" (Hat Tip: /u/SirKolbath )

    Ex. when I'm setting up a date with a woman, after establishing my "mildly subversive" vibe, as I've said elsewhere, recenly, I often toss in a throwaway line about how she should "be sure to wear pretty underwear for me."1 Or (when it's clear that they are) I tell them that they're intrigued by me. It reinforces the point and it's like dropping their Hamster off at the "All-U-Can-Eat" HamsterChow Buffet.

    Also, once you get good at opening and closing, girls will be opening and closing their legs for you. A couple of recent conquests told me, point blank, in post coital bliss, "I knew you'd know what to do with me", and *"I knew I was going to get fucked, and it wasn't going to be complicated." That's how you want it.

    And remember: Faint Heart Never Fucked Fair Lady so go out, approach an keep working those muscles.

    1 Cue Bloopers howling, "'Pretty underwear'? Bleeargh! So much cringe! Skree! Skree! Run away! Skree!" but that line results in pretty underwear a high percentage of the time. Think of it as a "compliance test" for the girls. Now I have her choosing her underwear based on what she thinks I will find appealing. I'm living in her head, rent free.

    [–]1dongpal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    should you change yourself to have a higher chance to close them? I feel like my high energy and quick witted jokes makes them more distance, also movies always portray the alpha as calm, more serious, you know what I mean. Should I hold back and change?

    [–]omega_dawg93 43 points44 points  (5 children)

    here's how i explain it to the young(er) males in my family:

    be MORE like women. seriously. i tell them to observe women and be more like them, for example:

    1. women live in a world of sexual abundance; they can get dick when they want it as long as they're STD clean, have good hygiene, and can keep their emotions in-check. BE MORE LIKE THIS. abundance mentality.
    2. women don't stress-out over sex and run their mouths to get sex. BE MORE LIKE THIS. shut the fuck up and let your ACTIONS speak.
    3. women don't judge each other sexually (when emotions are involved), women are discreet about their sexual activity (GNO and girl's vacation), and women have sex when they feel you're safe (and not a weirdo). BE MORE LIKE THIS. don't judge a girl's sexual history. it's history. if you're into her, go with it and use a condom anyway. be discreet about your activities... don't go running your mouth bc you got some pussy. make her feel that her 'secrets are safe' with you, and that you're a safe, reliable person.

    that's it fellas. just be MORE LIKE WOMEN and act like you've been there before. my MO with new women is to act like i've already fucked them. it puts me in a more calm state, i feel less anxious (confident, chill), and if she's not into sex with me, no problem... there are others. remember, in my head, i've already fucked her so having her again is NBD.

    they will feel this 'he doesn't give a fuck' vibe really quick. just stay cool... she'll talk herself out of her panties.

    [–]EveryGodDamnDay 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Telling young men to be more like women? Not cool man. Tell 'em what a man is: abundance, DNGAF, acta non verba, etc. But saying anything along the lines of "be more feminine" is confusing AF for a youngun. They're hearing that all day everyday from single moms, school teachers, celebs, and Disney.

    [–]omega_dawg93 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    did you read what i typed... or did you read me telling men to "be more feminine?" how about you read the bolded text and comprehend.

    [–]360NoSnooper -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

    I read it, and it's all good till it gets to the point - be like women. No. Don't be like women. I get your concept but from the point of learning and explaining it to someone, it is just wrong.

    [–]omega_dawg93 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    right now... you're acting like a woman.

    [–]KarmicPrism 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    She took it way too seriously πŸ˜‚

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    The only problem with the RP man is that he won't commit,

    That's their dilemma and their never-ending quest. To find the alpha who can have any woman he wants but who will commit to her and to her alone. The male analogue is the modanna-whore complex. We want to find the sluttiest freak possible, but we want her to be our slut alone and to possess characteristics out of the bedroom that indicate she will be 100% faithful. Both sexes are forever seeking their respective version of the one perfect mate.

    [–]Thunderbird93 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Too true tovarisch. My RP awakening came on a shrooms buy sophomore year. I get there with pre rolled joints,I spark up to wait for the plug as I hear moans from one of the rooms. The plugs friend tells me it's a high school girl. The dude she is fucking comes over for a toke, they argue and hate fuck again & again. Chicks love bad boys because we are animalistic. You think the younger betas at her school knew she wanted it rough? Nah, she had to get an older man for it

    [–]BitFieldDistribute 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    A spoonful of this helps the red pill go down

    [–]tempolaca 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    This is actually more help for women than for men. But it's a excellent post nonetheless.

    [–]majorbollocks[S,🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yes you get it. It's an insight of how women view the risk vs reward of casual sex with different categories of men and how RP concepts fit into that perspective

    [–]RedPillWintergreen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Safer, at least. There is no 100%

    [–]whomisyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What are the fuck me signals exactly

    [–]SensualSeduction01 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    I really don’t get the point of this post.