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FinanceLife Lessons learned from being unemployed for the past month (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributormallardcove

This isn't a post meant to garner sympathy. Spare me. It's a post to discuss some lessons I have learned over the past month+ since being fired from my job.


No matter how good you are at your job, you're always disposable. Therefore always hold frame at work - its never worth it to stoop down to someone else's level. Corporate HR is not like a court room - you get no say, you're guilty until proven innocent.

Why did I get fired from my job? I truly believe I am the best at what I do in the entire country. My bosses knew it, the corporate executives of my company knew it. I was on the fast track to great things.

However we had a female employee who I will call "Bitch". Bitch had been at the place I worked for many years and had a huge sense of entitlement. We had a department restructure a few months ago which mean new systems and new ways of doing things. Bitch didn't like this because she was used to doing things her way. She would always come into my office and bitch at me because I was the project lead for this restructure at our location, so she viewed me as the one to take out her frustrations on. After enduring this shit for 3 months, I had had enough. Even though I had escalated this to my bosses, and even corporate. I told her to get the hell out of my office and come back when you're ready to talk to me like an adult and not a 16 year old girl throwing a temper tantrum. I also let her know I was tired of her doing this day in and day out.

Unfortunately Bitch escalated this to corporate HR, bypassing our local management. Not only that but Bitch's husband is a very well connected and influential man in the city I live in. If you've seen Roadhouse, he isn't too far from Brad Wesley. This, combined with our corporate HR having "zero tolerance" for "threatening" behavior(of course she embellished it and I had no chance to give my side of the story or defend myself), I was given the boot.

Some of you will say that I did the right thing standing up for myself. Wrong. It was a bad decision in a work environment. It cost me a good paying job and a lot of forward equity I had built there. Want to defend yourself/stand up for yourself outside of work? Fine, if the situation calls for it. Not at work.

I saw my boss, a 6'7 grown man, and his boss, both break into tears when they delivered the news to me. They knew how damn good I was at what I did, how irreplaceable I was, and what an utter bullshit kneejerk decision HR had made.


Saving money is important. Establish a good sized savings account before anything else, especially paying off lower interest debts

I had a lot of student loans. Only debt I have. It was still a lot though(I was a walk on football player at a D1 private school that never was able to earn a scholarship so I had to borrow all 5 years). I made enough money to where I could put a good dent in them every month. It almost became an obssession. I took a 2nd job bartending to pay them down quicker. I had paid down over 1/2 of my student loan balance, or $75,000, in the past 18 months. Not bad.

Since I attacked my student loan debt with a lot of intensity, I didn't save. I had a $2,000 buffer in savings and that was it. So when I lost my job, what good did paying off the loans at the rate I was paying them do me? No good at all in the short term.

I'd be better off right now and under a lot less stress had I instead built a good sized emergency fund, say $10 grand or so. Instead, I'm living on the edge, having to do Uber(which I absolutely despise with every fiber of my being, I have no idea how anyone can do this voluntarily) until I find my next job.

If you have high interest debt like credit cards or a high interest car loan, yeah you might want to get that out of the way. But lower interest loans like student loans, you might want to put those off until you have a safety net to fall back on.

Build a decent savings account before making any major purchases or paying off debts. You'll never know when you will need it.


Networking is quid pro quo. It's useless if you have nothing to give.

This concept has been discussed several times here on TRP. Men are useless unless they add value to the individual or group. Right now since I'm unemployed with little money, I'm useless.

I've built up a solid network over the years, and I've reached out to many trying to help me with the job search. No one has been able to come through. I'm on my own.

No one gives a shit about you unless you have value to provide.

Women are the opposite. If I were a woman in this situation, I'd have all kinds of people bending over backward trying to help me. That's female privilege for you that you never hear about.

But since I'm a guy, tough shit. I'm on my own. No one in my network gives a flying fuck. No matter how much I have done for them in the past or how much I proved myself to them.

I'm not saying networking is useless, what I am saying, is that it won't come through for you when you need it most.


Know your worth. Never take a shit deal in life - whether that be your career, women, or whatever. Never be afraid to walk away.

I had begun interviewing for a job last month. It was a job that I would have done really well in, in my dream city. Since starting my career path, my eventual end game has been to wind up in one of two cities(in my industry you have to start in small markets and work your way up to larger ones) and I finally had the experience to work in one of these two markets. I got an interview for a position in one of my dream cities, and not only that, it paid more than the job I was fired from. I did two skype interviews then was flown out for an in person interview. Everything went well.

So I get called with an offer. The offer was shit. It was BELOW the salary we had discussed in the first phone call. LESS than what I was making in my previous job. I was insulted. I had spent an entire month going through the dreaded corporate interview process. And this is the shit they pull? This isn't some no name fly by night company, its a multi national fortune 500 company.

I had also been in the earlier stages of interviewing for other companies(albiet not in my dream cities), some of which were offering a decent amount of money more. I told them no thanks, you are going to have to do better, and made a counter offer. Then a few days later they call me saying they had instead decided to go with an internal candidate(translation: We found someone willing to take a lot less money than you to do the job).

I could have accepted their shit offer. It was in my dream city, after all. But that would be selling myself short. If I let them take advantage of me then, why would they not continue to do so down the road? Know your worth and never be afraid to walk away. I am worth more than that, and I was perfectly willing to say no to that opportunity and remain unemployed until I get someone who actually is willing to pay me what I know I am worth.

The same can be applied to women. I see so many men sell themselves short with women. Why do so many of you settle for 3s, 4s and 5s; fatties and landbeasts; uglies and trashy women, when, if you put in the effort, you could bag 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, or even 10s? Are you really that desperate for pussy? I'm 30 years old, my SMV has grown exponentially over the past few years since first coming to TRP. I laugh at the types of women I used to go after. I do miles better these days. You're better off walking away than settling for shit.


Applying for jobs is much harder the higher up you have climbed the ladder. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Applying for jobs is a lot like gaming women. It's a numbers game. The hotter the woman is, the more she will shittest(vet) you. And the best time to apply for a job(find a better woman) is when you already have one(preselection). Jobs are the same. The more experienced(better) positions you apply for, the longer the application and interview process is. Because they are going to be paying you a good amount of money, they are going to vet you a lot harder and be a lot more picky. Entry level and lower level jobs, they aren't as picky, since the investment isn't as high, so if they miss on a candidate its not as big of a deal.

But for someone like me, who is experienced and has climbed the ladder, interview requests have been few and far between. I've applied for over 200 jobs in the past month, and gotten a grand total of 4 interviews. I didn't make it past the first round on two of them(despite me being completely qualified), turned down the job I discussed above, and am about to do a 3rd interview on the 4th. It's truly a crapshoot, no matter how good of a candidate you are.

So out of 200, I'm only alive on 1. I'm hoping it works out, because it pays well into the 6 figures, but I can't put all my eggs in that basket. I have to continue to apply for about a dozen jobs every day.

Earlier in my career when I was applying for entry level and less experienced jobs, I would get more interview requests and such than I could handle. You think that with me being more experienced, with great references, and being really good at what I do, I would have no problem getting interviews and getting hired. Unfortuantely thats not the case. Tough vetting process.


For you younger ones, go to college to get a degree in a field that pays well and is in high demand

Unfortunately what I do for a living, despite how great I am at it, the supply of workers is greater than the demand. If I could do it again, I would have instead majored in something in which the demand outpaces the supply of labor.


Be thankful. It could always be worse.

As stressful as this situation is, it could always be worse. It gives you perspective.

I could be paralyzed in a wheel chair. I could be an amputee. I could be a cancer patient. I could be living in some Africa shithole warzone. But I'm not. I live in America, with a roof over my head, food in my stomach and the opportunity out there to succeed.

It could always be worse.

The flipside is true too. All of you faggots going through oneitis problems, that's nothing compared to the toll of stress that being unemployed puts on you. You might be stressed out sitting by your phone waiting for her to text you back, but at least your livelihood isn't on the line. Try sitting by your phone/computer hoping you get a phone call or email from a potential employer day in and day out. That's actual stress.

All of you who hate your job, be thankful you have an income stream and cash flow.


[–]Churningaway 180 points181 points  (21 children)

Dude. Are you me?

I was in the same situation.. Rewind 4 months ago - working at a big firm. Certified in a hot technology that's absolutely busting at the seams, I mean my firm was desperately training anyone with a pulse to fill spots on projects at clients. I started on a new project along with a girl at my same level, reporting to an entitled Bitch of a manager. She clearly favored my peer and took every opportunity to break me down whenever it was just us 3 in a room. I took it in stride.

But she crossed the line in one meeting where we had a video set-up with the client and she deliberately sat in a way that blocked the client's view of me, post-meeting she tore into me for no reason other than that she was pissed the project wasn't going too great (she was stretched thin, had very little to do with me). As she left the room, I could feel anger bubbling up, I knew I had crossed the point of no return, she had disrespected me badly in front of my peer. I took that week to organize, checked my finances and set up a meeting with the director and told him under no circumstances was i flying back to the client site the following week and explained why.

Unfortunately, while the director was sympathetic during our call, he ended up reporting me to HR the following week for insubordination. Money is truly the master of all. He told me HR was going to set up a meeting where I'd have an opportunity to apologize to the bitch manager. I looked at my options, I could stay in this 6-figure job I had worked so hard to get and lose my self-respect in the process, or I could take a leap of faith and find something new.

Present day: After a brief unemployment stint I am employed at a higher salary, less hours, great co-workers, can work remotely when I feel like it and don't have to take shit from nobody, cause I know my shit. Best of all: I heard through the grapevine that the project I was on completely collapsed after I left, oh sweet revenge.

Related to TRP:

1) Never be afraid to walk away. From anyone. Consider that your nuclear power in this temporary world, make sure you can pull this trigger as a FINAL CALCULATED (make sure you have a backup plan, or be able to come up with one quickly) move.

2) Have confidence even at your lowest point. This carried me through the dark days where I was interviewing without a job.

3) Don't ever tolerate someone crossing your boundaries: this goes for your goddamn boss, your neighbor, your wife, mother, anyone.

4) Money is LITERALLY the physical manifestation of power. 200 years ago it was having land, weapons and farms. 1000 years ago it was being able to fight and hunt your way to the top of the tribe. Do whatever you can to acquire power, disregard all distractions.

[–]ahab_dies 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Good post.

Remember, just as expendable as you are at your job, every job is just as expendable to you.

There are always more and possibly better places to go and be. The world is huge.

The only thing that will make a job essential is if you have a family to support. If you're a single man you can endure so much.

I've had a lot of jobs in my life, and looking back I never regretted doing anything unprofessional or out of line, so long as I knew I was doing a good job. I only regret the times I held my tongue when I was being abused. Do you know why? Because no matter what job I quit or lost I was always fine. All those times I sucked it up and took it on the chin I would have been fine had I decided to stand up for myself.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 73 points74 points  (7 children)

I never even got to meet or speak to this corporate HR person who fired me. Chances are he was some limp dicked soy boy SJW type trying to make a name for himself and fire the evil white male who dared stand up to himself for a precious woman. I am not even an anti-woman type. HR departments are cancer and becoming staffed more and more by activists by the day.

[–]JustClickingButtons 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I don't understand. Can't you sue them for wrongful dismissal?

[–]flashcash12 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I got fired from my college work study job freshman year because I invited two college girls I worked with to one of our fraternity parties. One girl was like cool the other bitchy one told HR that I was being inappropriate and sexually harassed her because I invited her to an event. Didn’t even get to say my side of the story. The other girl told them the truth. Didn’t mater, my gay soy boy boss fired me on the spot. Then proceeded to call every other department offering work study to tell them not to hire me if I applied. Eventually I got a job working for events coordinator but it took months and multiple recommendations from professors for them to hire me because of one phone call. I’ve had the job since and I make more and do way like interesting work.

I was still in the early stages of TRP back then. Thank god I learned then at some low level work study position.

[–]mcbenzene 37 points38 points  (0 children)

HR is becoming the only outlet of employment for unemployed feminists. It needs to be abolished.

[–]EPArt 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Probably some bitch i remember i briefly worked in hr was literally 90% female and every time i look into recruitment women everywhere. Im at a job now 2 days in women everywhere but i work with men unfortunately a female head manager who's already trying to make me dance to her bullshit. Working with or for women is the worst.

[–]hititandsplit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

HR is there to protect the company. I run a blog about getting fired if you wanna share your story there. Gettingcanned.com if you're interested. Some resources for job loss to check out .

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro I got fired we then hr new I had the day off from jury duty. HR literally had my time sheet filled and completed for one week due to jury duty.

My boss complained because I refused to work from home and hr fired me saying I didn't show up for work.

Well they framed it as due to poor performance.

HR is cancer

[–]MakeAmericaRichAgain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something like 70% of HR departments are female. Odds are it was some discriminatory idiot who automatically assumed you to be in the wrong because you're a man.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (6 children)

One of the most disgusting aspects of our civilization is that men have to work jobs where they are subordinate to women. It's shameful.

[–]EPArt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The worse bosses i have ever had were either women or losers that acted like women. All the ones i respected they needed overtime im like yeah i will sacrifice a few hours for you np, vs some bitch telling me i should thank some idiot for taking the overtime that she was trying to force on to me but wouldnt dare lower herself to do.

[–]xRaiden99x 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Just dont work where there are women

[–]isteppedinsjw 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Everywhere is pushing for more women, even STEM.

[–]jefferson_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've had 3 internships in STEM, just guess which one I fucking hated.

[–]temerity18 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let them work in construction. Or some other hard, dangerous job.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Life works in mysterious ways

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

jesus man... that's one hell of a story.

as someone who has been longterm unemployed how do you even find something else? I'm finding it so hard right now!

[–]Paladin2903 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. No job is worth staying at if the people are horrible, and they flat out embarrass and demoralize you — ESPECIALLY in front of others.

My guess is she was probably a man-hating feminist cunt. Most of them at that level are, at least to some degree.

I’m lucky enough to have my own small business, now, and I could never ever work for someone ever again.

The fucking bullshit I used to tolerate when I was just a kid (early 20’s) was unreal, because it was my first “real” job, and I thought abuse was basically what a job consisted of.

Looking back, I should’ve taken that motherfucker (my previous piece of shit boss) out back and knocked his head into another zip code, and then thrown my phone and keys at him.

I have zero tolerance for shit bosses, now.

[–]Plebsin 41 points42 points  (4 children)

The fact that your boss had no choice to fire you is just disheartening. This is a good reason to build a nest's egg. You'll never knew when it may come in handy. At least 6 months of living's worth.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

It wasn't my boss - it was the corporate HR, who I never even got to see or speak to or make my case to or anything. He fired me one week before I was officially fired, but my bosses tried their hardest to appeal and get it reversed but couldn't.

Probably some limp dicked soy boy faggot HR rep who wanted to make a name for himself.

[–]unknownknowledge 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Shit deal dude. Get a copy of the company disciplinary process. Read through it with a fine tooth comb and/or go a lawyer and formulate a plan to go to an employment tribunal (uk terminology).

A high proportion of cases are successful simply because the employer didn’t follow the process to the absolute letter. Trust me, I know. Even if you were completely in the wrong, which it doesn’t sound like you were, if the employer hasn’t followed process the tribunal judge will feck them up.

You may get a payout which will help tie you over.

Good luck

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably has a disclaimer "Only a guideline. Subject to change without notice." Or something of that nature.

[–]zelonelydepguy 35 points36 points  (2 children)

So you understand pre selection and vetting dynamics but looked past it when it came to your job search.

Got fired - LTR ended

Currently unemployed - you weren't spinning plates so you're starting from scratch

200 applications to 4 interviews - Swiped right and got matches of which have 4 dates

Job offer in a town you prefer - went on a date and she's DTF and ready to be your plate. She's an HB8. (Fortune 500 firm)

Offer is lower than what you made - your previous LTR was a natural HB9 and you had loads of sex. New potential plate has a high sense of entitlement and will have sex only once a week. Also she is an HB7 when she isn't wearing make up (pays less).

Right now you aren't having sex (unemployed, earning $0) but could have acquired a new plate (employed, earning less than before but at least $60k-$80k a year more than what you are on right now)

I'm an Uber driver - I have an HB2 that I pump when my primal urges take over. (No offense to Uber drivers btw, this is an analogy for OP's situation)

I will wait for an HB9, I'm high value - On surface this is a demonstration of abundance mentality. However pre-selection has its merits. Recruiters would've been played over you when you weren't looking.

Also, the longer you're single (unemployed), the harder it gets. The hamster goes 'he's awesome but why is he single(unemployed)? Something MUST be wrong with him.'

Key difference between pussy and money being that a man can live without pussy.

The strategy in this case could have been to go for the HB7 (accept the fortune 500 offer), and use pre selection to get the HB9 (a new job) of your liking. This isn't settling down - you're taking a page out of hypergamy's book.

[–]Demiurge_Decline 7 points8 points  (1 child)

There's levels to this. Good post.

[–]BobbyPeru 45 points46 points  (3 children)

I agree with know your worth, but sometimes the bigger picture involves taking less to get your foot in the door.... buys you some time where you can make more eventually with a solid company or find a job with a different company

[–]markinsinz7 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My strategy exactly and a very good point to not be missed. Unless one has backup options like a safety net for a year atleast in the bank or a countable network(that has proven to work before - this is tested by asking for favors from ur network) or you personally are so high in demand then one must always strive to have something going for them.

Better to have some job than no job at all(exceptions as stated above)

In addition like pook says: Always keep 2 in the kitty. Have a side business or a develop a skill that always guarantees a job somewhere. Like bartending, bouncing, server, trades, etc.

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to second this hard. I worked at a job making $50k. Before that I was making $90k.

Yes the income was well below what I was looking for, but I knew it's better to be working while looking for a job then then to not.

The $50k job (contract) was actually one of the best things that ever happened to me. I gathered more experience in shit I didn't know plus my Co workers were fine.

The added experiences helped me later on

[–]MaliciousMack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So that take away is now tradeoffs and knowing all the angles.

[–]HIJKelemenoP 13 points14 points  (5 children)

You chose Uber over a six figure job? Yeah you show em who's boss!

[–]RealityBitesU 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Whole story is drenched in godawful decisions, avoidance of responsibility, and post-hoc rationalizations.

[–]NeedingAdvice86 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah...I don't know why so many are lapping up over the post.

The Op was a butthurt little bitch himself at his job and got bested by this girl because he could not separate his responsibilitiesjob from his ego and his distaste I suspect for women in general in his job. And good lord the sense of entitlement.....all the "I am the best in the universe at what I do, blah, blah, blah". He has made horrible financial decisions as every financial advisor in the country can tell any person that you build safety nets and even investments before paying off low rate student loans. Those things aren't even usually considered in loan apps or are overlooked in many cases in the determinations. Just a bunch of stupid decisions and behavior which finally caught up with the Op but he doesn't seem able to be self-reflective at all and is just full steam ahead....I wonder if that impressiondemeanor isn't the reason for the 400 apps to 1 job offer ratio.

I still can't get over that the Op is still so self-righteous that he isn't humbled and self-reflective at all by the fact that he let this little girl bait him into losing his cool, going butt hurt temper tantrum like a 8yo boy which got himself fired all because he couldn't handle stressful situations and the typical bitching of employees going thru a shift in their working situation.....when has a restructuredownsizing not resulted in bitching by employees and the people impacted...you listen to them, empathize, then carry the fuck on......that girl fucking cucked his ass in spades...I want to laugh but know it is frown upon.

[–]RealityBitesU 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This subreddit has a great premise and some good foundational stuff, but it's just drowning in delusional "reports" like this one. And then people lap them up with the redpill equivalent of "go girl" affirmation posts.

OP is a fucking idiot, from top to bottom.

[–]Echelon64 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Sometimes you have to be willing to eat some humble pie, shit sucks but that's life. OP could have chosen to take the job, work it out for a year and looked for something better. That's what I've done, it's what so many have done, OP isn't special and could have done it too.

[–]HIJKelemenoP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Humble pie tastes better when it's six figures too.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 31 points32 points  (22 children)

Why did I get fired from my job? I truly believe I am the best at what I do in the entire country. My bosses knew it, the corporate executives of my company knew it.

To answer your question with my opinion, and these remarks are intended to be general, not directed to the OP.

If you work for a company and you are the best at what you do and you can be fired summarily like this, that is a shitty company. If that company represents the industry standard, that is a shitty industry.

I am quite certain that mallardcove is a smart guy and he took consideration into whether the whole career enterprise was worth the risk of making a lot of money doing something you love AND having the chance at losing your livelihood and standard of living all at once, but most people do not.

Obviously most people are conformists; we wouldn't call it that otherwise. But I am astounded at the percentage of dudes writing on TRP that are clearly just unquestioningly going into the corporate world (or something similar) as if there were no alternatives. Is money that important to you? If it is, you better be saving it and NOT spending it at all, because the chances of you getting bounced when you're about 40-45 and not being able to earn that much again for the rest of your life is pretty damn high. It is very difficult to become accustomed to making LESS money than you have been.

There are a million things you can do for a living that are pretty much 99% guaranteed secure for the rest of your life that can make you from $75,000 to $95,000. If you're such a fucking hotshot that you want to make a lot more than that, roll the dice.

 

For me, personally, this is part and parcel of TRP. I have all my life had authority issues, so it was very easy for me to live red-pilled standards years before there was TRP. In all aspects of my life. Women, jobs, family, friends, just dealing with all people I had to deal with. (Not saying I was some kind of RP wizard, because I definitely made big mistakes.) My point is, TRP applies all the way across the line.

My advice to the young ones out there. Don't get stuck in the corporate world, because as you can see in the post above, you can be the best and still be powerless.

I haven't had a "real job" in more than twenty years. I was lucky that I found two completely different things that people needed that I could do better than most everyone else, and at this point, I don't even have to advertise, the contracts come to me. And I'm not special; I actually have about a dozen friends who do the same. You'd be amazed if you saw these guys: pretty much just joking and laughing through the day, put in a couple hours of work, and make a good living.

No, not rich, but we're free. Much more important to us.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

If I would have possibly thought I would be fired over what I did, I would have never done it.

It never came across my mind that I would even be disciplined let alone fired. But I messed with the wrong person and had the wrong limpdick in HR fire me.

I work in an industry that is very polarized. One half of the industry is ultra left wing. The other half is pretty conservative and traditional. My position was a liason/go between between the two halves. My bosses however were both on the traditional/conservative side, and they were extremely pissed off I was fired.

$75,000 to $95,000

I made more than that. You're right that its difficult to take a step back in earnings, especially because I wasn't using my earnings to live a luxurious lifestyle, but instead pay down my debts and try to achieve financial freedom. As much as I would love to start investing or start my own business, its hard to do with loads of student debt hanging around your neck. That's why I was so aggressive with it, so I could get it out of the way and start building wealth.

The industry I work in sucks in terms of its worldview/political leanings, the company I work for I thought was a better company in the industry I am on but apparently not. However its what I got my degree in and what I am best at and represents my greatest chance to earn the money I need to become financially independent.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

$75,000 to $95,000

I made more than that.

I was pretty sure you made much more than that. I was offering that as what a guy would be happy to make at age 45 working 30 hours a week on his own terms, not as a 30 year old working for somebody else. A self-employed 30 year old would be doing great making $40,000.

As much as I would love to start investing or start my own business, its hard to do with loads of student debt hanging around your neck.

You have only one life. On the one hand that means take risks to maximize your time on earth. On the other that means when you are so deep in investment (in your case, debt and the time and energy it took to get that degree) it limits your options. You're a smart guy, you're probably going to be alright.

Wrongful termination suit has probably crossed your mind, probably let go as a waste of time.

[–]reluctantly_red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would love to start investing or start my own business

If you have the right temperament great. If not there are other options. I'd hate dealing with the administrative and financial details of running a business. Public service jobs can pay the bills and be rewarding. I'm a public defender. While I don't get paid that much I also don't have to put up with the BS big firm attorneys have to endure.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

had a department restructure a few months ago which mean new systems and new ways of doing things. Bitch didn't like this because she was used to doing things her way. She would always come into my office and bitch at me because I was the project lead for this restructure at our location, so she viewed me as the one to take out her frustrations on. After enduring this shit for 3 months,

Would you share what jobs/fields these are? Lots of guys here would be interested.

[–]whatever9855 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Can I ask what fields you see as guaranteeing that kind of salary?

[–]3whatsthisgarg 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Can I ask what fields you see as guaranteeing that kind of salary?

What my friends do: electrician, plumber, auto mechanic, HVAC, solar, construction contractor. This shit will be in high demand for the rest of your life. If you're inclined, this stuff is a lot easier than you might think. It's not hard labor. Electrician for instance (which I did for a while) is super easy. I know a guy who would go and wire warehouses after hours and made $1000/night (which took him about 4-5 hours). Also plumbing, if you do new construction you aren't dealing with shit.

The guys I know really do put in about 4 hours a day of real work and make like $300/day. Usually half that is cash = tax free.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I couldn't second this comment enough. Trade Job's demand is remaining high and the supply pool is dwindling. Most millenials/Gen Z won't aspire to work trade jobs, it's not glamourous, it's not stimulating, it's not fulfilling, but it starting to pay more and more.

electrician, plumber, auto mechanic, HVAC, solar, construction contractor

Add in locksmith, technicians, I know as an expense Item I pay out more than 20 000 dollars a month to these guys.

My plumber took over the business from his dad, who was a one man and his crew sort of set up. He formalized it, trained and hired, expanded his client base.

He's driving a ferrari now.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

locksmith

Yeah! I was going to say locksmith. They do alarms and security too.

Trades, the benefit is more than easy and money, it's the freedom. You could conceivably work for two weeks and take two weeks off every month if you wanted to.

I'm not technically in a trade, but being freelance, I typically work for 4 or 5 months and then take 2 or 3 months off.

[–]Wiry_Wireman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It's not hard labor. Electrician for instance (which I did for a while) is super easy

Maybe once you've worked long enough and gained enough respect to be able to put your tools down and tell other guys what to do. There's nothing easy about digging trenches and lugging spools of wire up and down stairs, which is what apprentices are expected to do for the first 4 years.

[–]3whatsthisgarg -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There's nothing easy about digging trenches and lugging spools of wire up and down stairs, which is what apprentices are expected to do for the first 4 years.

oh you sweet kid; you couldn't find a way around that? lol; you got assigned to the wrong team

Operating a backhoe (or standing around with a shovel) or carrying semi-heavy things up stairs is not my idea of hard labor; that is nothing compared to farming, roofing, construction, or building roads and bridges, out in the weather all day.

[–]randomTATRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Construction is always going to be well paid since noone wants to be working hard physical work in the sun for 8+ hours.

Having your construction is even better because there'll always be houses and shit to be built

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    [–]3whatsthisgarg 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Can you give a brief description of what you do without giving it away?

    No I could not, thanks for asking. I have two different gigs, self-employed, and both are so particular to me I don't dare the doxxing risk with specifics.

    Let's just say one is white collar, all on computer from home; basically quality control of the previous team's work passing on to the last team before production. I happened on this just by energetically cruising the internet. There is a lot IC work out there, because it saves companies money in not having to pay benefits and so on.

    The other is blue collar, kind of like logistics, I make things happen; basically I have clients in a 800 mile radius who need me to bring them things or fix stuff or set up stuff that they have. I was lucky to inherit half the contracts from two other guys, so connections matter.

    I'm not making a ton of money but it's enough for me, and even better is I feel free. I had real jobs in the past and it fucking sucked, taking it home with me and ruminating about it. Never again.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What do you mean by "IC Work" I have tried looking this up and all that comes up is integrated circuit (IC) microchips

    [–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Independent contractor. Freelance. All I have to do is do the job, I don't have to deal with any pain in the ass person above me. Most of the time I don't even have to talk to anybody.

    [–]U-94 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    I'm gonna chime in here because I'm in the same boat as some of these posters and I'd like to share my jobs in case anyone was curious how to make more money.

    I'm full time salary with a major media company, working at a radio station. That's my fun job, health insurance is $7 out of my paycheck, free downtown parking, easy.

    My 2nd gig is my own LLC contracted by a HUGE JAPANESE COMPANY where I maintain/service/support just about all the large LED video screens/boards at my local sports stadiums/venues/domes. I'm on call with a retainer and make service visits in between my radio shifts. I also get paid to attend all our NFL games, playoff NBA games and other major events. My billing rate is $500/day (which could be just an hour) and $1250 for big events where I come in and check out stuff the day before, etc. Super easy 90% of the time. Learned everything as I trained. Friend suggested me to a friend for the gig because of my (very vague) A/V experience woring in radio.

    I have a bachelor's in communications but I could have easily gotten both jobs without it. Anybody with an electrician background would be ideal for it. Also some IT involved as well but I'd imagine most people familiar with computers could pick it up.

    I'm 32 and my income will be between 82k and 90k this year, which is where I need to keep it according to my accountant so I don't move up a tax bracket. No wife/gf. No kids. No property. Car's leased. It's not the perfect life but I ain't ever worried about how big my bar tab is.

    [–]MakeAmericaRichAgain 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Tax brackets are progressive. Fire your accountant.

    [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I honestly like to learn more about your second gig. Like how exactly did your start it and stuff.

    I know you probably don't want to get into too much details, but I've been searching ideas all this year for a second job to make money on the side

    [–]U-94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Friend suggested to me to his friend. I showed up to help out as an installation of a video board was being installed at one of my local stadiums. Learned as I went along. Became friendly with the production staff at the stadium and arena. Those giant video screens at football, basketball, baseball, soccer games are like 1000 vcrs daisy chained into each other. It's complicated (in how many things could go wrong) but simple at the same time. I came from radio, working on movies and a dozen other jobs so I had a weird mix of experience. Nothing really pertaining to wiring together/programming this stuff.

    Give me a specific question and I'll try to help make it more clear or how you could find something like this. I'm an independent contractor (LLC) for tax reasons, even if it's just me working on my own and billing toward the BIG JAPANESE COMPANY.

    [–]Raknith 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've been struggling with money lately, and wanting to better my life and end up making more money. I'm very willing to put in work like you and your friends have, however I just do not know WHAT to do. How do you find work to do?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Getting fired from a job was the greatest thing that happened to my career. I learned how to network my way back. I learned we are all replacable and not special. I also learned to use laws of power and machiavellian games to secure my present and future

    [–]WalksTheLine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    This starts off very childish... (best in the country, let’s call her bitch)

    (Peter Griffen’s voice:) “Roadhouse”

    [–]Bunk_Barksdale 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Your network is not who you know but rather who knows you

    [–]UncleChido 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Definitely a first. Take it to heart.

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    [–]dudeguy1892 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think he meant Engineering or CS: use job to network and invest.

    [–]H42 30 points31 points  (9 children)

    An audio and/or video recorder in your office, that you switch on when any woman comes into your office seems like a pretty good investment.

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Or you could act like an adult and actual senior manager who can handle stressful situations in a rational manner without all the emotional temper tantrums like the Op.

    It was the Op behavior that got him cucked....I severely doubt he wants the HR or the world to hear him screaming like 5yo child that got his bing-bing taken away.

    [–]420KUSHBUSH 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Then you get spooked when one day you find it started recording when one of your coworker buddies you watch football games with was recorded while the friendly secretary lady wasn't recorded

    [–]Banned-in-Boston 14 points15 points  (4 children)

    Maybe put a 4Tb drive on it and have it recording always.

    [–]420KUSHBUSH 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    That defeats the purpose of having it switch on when any woman comes into the office. If thats the case then a pretty good investment would actually be just a normal recorder

    [–]Nocryingok 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    damn if this is what you gotta do to have a job I'd rather live in the woods, thanks

    [–]zyqkvx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    If you are not moving to the woods you should consider it.

    [–]Nocryingok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I actually work in the family farm and it's great, but the city's temptations are too strong

    [–]comicallysimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think this would not work to well as logic and evidence, even something like an audio would not be considered. There is no judge so listening to an audio would most likely be laughed at. Or even looked down upon making the situation even worse. Logic wont win you the argument in such cases.

    [–]AntoniaThatcher 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    As a mother of a beautiful son, my advice is to never ever be alone with any other woman but your wife. Do record any exchanges with woman that you work with. I have heard so many horror stories. Assume that they are a threat no matter how nice they pretend to be. Woman do not have the honor code that comes with the strength that men have. Few woman compete with honor in business. Hence they indulge in back biting, lying and cheating when faced with power.

    The best thing to do is to be able to work independent of any corporation. US Corporations are feudal systems, not only subject to laws that are extremely counter productive, but they are the administrators, with no recourse for the accused.

    We must eliminate 'affirmative action'; it is the the nuclear weapon that is used to destroy a merit based world and this is why there are so many loonies running around. How can they learn to walk without gravity? Affirmative action is like removing gravity from a baby's environment and still expecting him to learn to walk. It's the instant feedback that teaches. These morons who promote 'affirmative action' have removed reality from those who 'benefit' from 'affirmative action'. Plus the problem compounds; it is constantly replacing those who can do with those who can not do. Things are going to get even crazier.

    Be aware of the Pareto Principle; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

    Also read the "The Peter Principle" by Laurence J. Peter https://www.forbes.com/sites/roddwagner/2018/04/10/new-evidence-the-peter-principle-is-real-and-what-to-do-about-it/#73fa35061809

    [–]DipshitMegalomaniac 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    That sucks. Why didn't you just take the small offer and continue to apply? Use the name.

    I'm in your shoe right now. Recently got an extremely small remote contract that could lead into an in house position. Switched to a whole new field (which I won't mention) and taught myself.

    I been unemployed for so much longer than you so I sympathize. You don't want sympathy but I literally feel it anyways.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    That sucks. Why didn't you just take the small offer and continue to apply? Use the name.

    That would mean moving across the country, signing a new apartment lease, spending money to move, and all of that. If I am going to do that, it has to be worth it. If I were to have taken it, I would be stuck in that position for at least a year, unless I wanted to break my apartment lease early and waste all that money moving.

    I'd rather just hold out for something that works for me. Like I said, I've had 3 interviews already with a company who is offering me $25k more than I was making at my previous job, $38k more than I was offered for the job I turned down, and its in a state with no income tax. I'd rather take my chances on that one than take the shit offer.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    To add on to that, the problem with accepting a sub standard offer is it devalues all the good will you built up at your previous company.

    Your new (lower) salary would become your new baseline. As someone who hires we always look at your previous salary before making you an offer. As it indicates what this person is willing to settle for to offer their services.

    Instead of getting that 30%(or there about) percent hike that you would usually get to be lured to a new company, you start out lower which then domino effects every future offer you get made. They'll always low ball as they know that's what you value your own services at, so why should they value it any higher.

    In the long term it's always better to hold out until the right offer comes along.

    Hope that right offer comes along for you.

    [–]Best_Chorizo 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I think you're lying to yourself man.

    You could totally afford to take that job, and search another meanwhile. You wouldn't really be stuck and even if you were, one year is nothing.

    In my opinion you felt insulted and while it is totally understandable, the only thing you demonstrate with your post, is how you can't really get stronger through failure and maybe eat some shit in your life even it that means lowering your expectation. This is the process of getting what you want from life. You should enjoy it.

    You're maybe selling yourself short, but it may be the hard reality, the process, to go back were you belong.

    I mean, man, you screwed HARD with that bitch. You seems to realise it. But don't make her, or the SJW HR, responsible for you getting fired. You had everything under control. Amused mastery was the ideal response. You deliberaty chose a path of confrontation, you became emotional, that was DUMB and that's the only thing that matter.

    Don't live a life were you don't take responsibilites for your mistakes. You're not playing the game well.

    [–]conflagratorX 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I've built up a solid network over the years, and I've reached out to many trying to help me with the job search. No one has been able to come through. I'm on my own.

    Sorry but that just screams you are not the best men in country in what you are doing. When I resigned from my job I've got 4 job offers from my friends (I wasn't even asking as I am making 1 year holidays from job). I am pretty good in what I am doing but certainly not best.

    [–]NeedingAdvice86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah....if he was actually the best in the world at what he did...that usually gets around and offers would be made for his services while he was working at the company.

    I wonder how many offers the Op fielded while he was employed at the company before he was fired?

    Betting zero...how about you?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    You should have taken the job offer despite the low salary. When you’re unemployed you have no power, you need a job desperately. Employers know that and that’s why the offer is low. What you need to do is take the first job you can, even if it doesn’t pay much, and as soon as you’re in, you look for another job. Now you’re not desperate anymore and you can command a better offer.

    [–]jpte91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    OP speaks highly of his skills (Top in the US!), but then proceeds to talk about how after he got fired, the other positions he got were across the country...

    Ultimately it sounds like OP learned the lesson the vast majority of successful corporate business workers are closely familiar with by the age of 25, he made a common mistake in terms of corporate politics.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    You're not wrong, however, pretty much all the jobs I have applied for have been thousands of miles away. I think the nearest job I've applied for is 300 miles away. Any job I would accept would require moving, signing an apartment lease, and all that, which is time consuming and expensive. To look for and accept another job quickly after all that would mean having to move all over again, break my apartment lease again(expensive) and all that.

    I feel like at the moment, I'm not quite at the point where I am willing to take anything.

    [–]appuhawk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    whats your occupation ? what major ?

    [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    and as soon as you’re in, you look for another job.

    Yes, but once you have a job, your motivation to look for another job goes down a lot, unless your present job is really really unbearable. Otherwise it's just way more tempting to just "go with it" and let it go.

    [–]wkndatbernardus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Great post OP. I tend to put up with more at my job because I'm nearing financial independence. I look at jobs the way a prisoner looks at doing time: keep your head down, don't make waves, and GTFO ASAP. If that means I have to eat some shit now and then, so be it. My ego isn't worth a set back when the goal is so close. Then, I'll be the guy sipping mai tais in Barbados while lardass cunt from accounting continues to draw all the other indentured servants into her vortex of diarrhea. Sure, I won't stand for direct verbal abuse but, I'd say I have a pretty high bs tolerance now that I can see the light.

    Bottom line: make hay (save dat $) while the sun shines so that you'll be secure when the winds of Fortune shift. And they will shift.

    [–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    All the more important to have Fuck You money in this climate. You'd never know when some feminazi will bullshit your career into oblivion.

    [–]Oliverott 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The Russians and the Chinese should poach men of talent that get fired in the West due to male-guilt, white-guilt, hetero-guilt and other sickness of the mind diffused by suicidal ideologies in the pussy-whipped western world.

    Set up a nice enclave near Moscow or Beijing with a Westernized atmosphere, plenty girls and other entertainments.

    Use that talent to build those things that are now embargoed, get huge profits and gain for everybody but the cucks in the West.

    The modern western world is a self-hating anti-male anti-white insane theocracy, if our forefathers could see us they would disown us.

    [–]halfback910 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    HR works for the company like any other group of employees. They are no better or worse.

    If you are indispensable for whatever reason, they will bend over backwards trying to keep you around. They aren't miracle workers (if you punch your boss in the face you'll be gone) but you'd be surprised what they can smooth over if it's in the best interest of the company that you remain.

    Conversely, if they want you gone, they'll find a reason or make one.

    But for someone like me, who is experienced and has climbed the ladder, interview requests have been few and far between. I've applied for over 200 jobs in the past month, and gotten a grand total of 4 interviews.

    That ratio is off. Either one of the following has to be true:

    1: Not all of those jobs were within your field or qualifications.

    2: Your resume is shit. May I ask how many pages it is? How many words and bullet points do you dedicate to each position?

    The higher up the ladder you go the fewer jobs there are to apply to. That is why it's harder. But if you found 200 jobs at your level you're already past that barrier. 200 applications for jobs you are qualified for with an unemployment rate under 4% should translate into about 90 phone interviews which should translate into about 20 in person interviews, which should translate into two offers. If 200 applications = 4 interviews, there's something wrong.

    Companies are reconsidering hiring convicted felons. That's how tight the labor market is. It's even tighter the higher up the ladder you go.

    Never take a shit deal in life

    One note here: Never be afraid to take a sub-optimal job in the meantime to get paid while you apply for better jobs. You can leave it off your resume. Even if you don't, being a job hopper is better than being unemployed.

    [–]winningace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Props to OP.

    The higher you climb the less options available. Same situation when I was a junior I had tonnes of offers.

    [–]mattizie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Talking out of my arse here:

    Take the lower paying job, at least for now. There is no such thing as company loyalty any more. It doesn't matter if they just gave you a raise, keep looking for better, and don't stop until you retire. The answer is never "no", it's "how much". Always be on the lookout for better opportunities, and always be floating resumes around.

    Even if they've low-balled you completely, those few weeks that you were there are yet more bargaining chips for future prospects. You went through their training, and gained a brief overview of how they do business.

    Normally you'd be right about your pride and dignity, but you're somewhat unprepared here, and it beats working as an uber driver.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I guess another lesson is to get that paper trail started before she does. Should have been in your boss and HR's office getting shit on the record every time she came into your office acting insubordinate and cunty. This just reinforces what I already know though. Women have no place in the working world. They are useful for sex and child rearing. That is it.

    Also my political views on corporate/labor relations have done a 180 since I started working. I used to be all free market fuck unions. Now I think that even white collar jobs should be unionized.

    I've built up a solid network over the years, and I've reached out to many trying to help me with the job search. No one has been able to come through. I'm on my own.

    I've noticed this more and more as I age. Everyone is just out to use you. Recently had a college friend move to my city. He was very keen to hang out, texted me multiple times, even said if he would put my resume in at his company if I was looking. Fast forward a month or so and he must've gotten comfortable and made some new friends because now he'll barely even return a text. Shit is so ridiculous.

    [–]reluctantly_red 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I used to be all free market fuck unions. Now I think that even white collar jobs should be unionized.

    Yes! Unions aren't perfect but they're the only way for working people to protect themselves from arbitrary and capricious management and HR decisions.

    Both the district attorneys and public defenders in my county are represented my the Teamsters.

    [–]deadstick_it 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I’m not the biggest fan of unions but am in one because of the job. It’s got its ups and downs and I will say that they deal with fighting stupid shit from HR every week.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    When people go out of the way to do favors for you when you havent done anything worth recipricating, it means theyre enamored by you or they want something.

    [–]the99percent1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Fuck off. Women are the greatest compliance machine ever developed.

    If I were OPs boss, I'd do exactly what his boss did. Hire bitches to be middle management. Seperate the herd/workhorses like OP from the true honey pot only meant to be enjoyed by me, the true boss.

    And the best bit is, these bitches will stay on for absolutely fuck all pay and arent afraid to pull rank on disobedient subordinates again, like OP.

    [–]light-----------dark 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Insightful reflections - thanks for sharing.

    [–]TheH1dd3nFear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You should have threatened to leave man.

    [–]the_real_lunch_box 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    How do you deal with the question from a new employer like "why did you leave x & y?". You tell them the truth?

    [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good question. When I was fired, I told them I was looking for something else to work on.

    And if my job required to move, I told them I wanted to move to a xx city because xx reasons.

    I never admitted to being fired.

    Only one time someone questioned me why did I leave when I had no job lined up.

    Told them I wanted to take a vacation and I had plenty of money saved up. So it wasn't a big deal.

    [–]MyReddit6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Should be a reminder to everyone who is/has cultivated hobbies - you need a few interests that you should be exceptional at, that you can monetize on the side. You're RP right!? You should be doing interesting shit.

    I'm poor af, but save like a motherfucker. I could live over a year without working, because I live a super stripped down lifestyle. I've monetized almost all of my hobbies and am starting to make as much or more thru my freelancing than I do thru salary, and it only takes maybe 5-6 days out of the month.

    Highly recommend having some sort of skillset or backup plan - especially for the young guys - that you develop over time, but do on the side and can afford to only work the gigs that'll pay well. Could be landscaping, drawing, woodwork, motorcycle repair, modelling, history tutor, music lessons, sound engineering, personal trainer, etc... It will take time to get up and running, however, it gives you savings and a parachute rather than getting rushed into Uber driving (hell if you like cars, that could be part of your plan) You'll be hard pressed to get rich off this, but the flipside is working 5 days a month and being able to tell anyone to "fuck off" without consequences is pretty damn satisfying.

    [–]thewrecker8 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I'm just going to throw out there instead of the old go to college and get a degree in something useful. Don't forget about a trade school and learn a lifelong skill that will be in demand for a fraction of a cost of a degree. Sure the work will be different/more labor. But if you're a tradesman you won't have to worry about getting fired as much. People will always need an electrician, plumber, contractor to fix their house. Mechanic to keep their car running. Etc. Shit you can be a mortician, people are never going to stop dying

    Most of the time you can get up and running in a lot of these areas before you'd get out of your college degree. Which means less debt and you'll be making decent money before you'd even be out of school looking for your entry position. If you have some business savvy you can start your own business. Are you going to have a glamorous 250K year job? No. But you also won't spend your 20s and maybe some of your 30s paying down 100K loan you took out for that degree that has a ton of other people bucking for your job. And if you're smart bank up some good money. Especially if you're young and still living at home with practically no expenses. Always remember no matter what you decide to do. Debt sucks and is a fucking anchor and cash is always king.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Just remember you aint shit until you get your journeyman's license. Thats why its good to start young when being on the bottom rung at 18 is perfectly normal and doesnt hurt the ego like it will when older. However construction is often a great social atmosphere. Just a bunch of guys doing man shit minus a lot of corporate bullshit.

    When I did construction, every guy I knew who was decent at their trade did side gigs. Always on the phone talking to customers while in their day job. Even taking sick days to make 5 times what they would at their fulltime gig tax-free.

    [–]thewrecker8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Absolutely. But even the money you make during that time will rival the minimum wage job your friends will be making during their college years. So looking at the cost benefit. You can spend 5 years getting to journeyman making more money over those 5 years living at home with no expenses. Or you can be a typical broke college kid getting their degree the whole time accumulating school debt and likely personal debt over 4 years. Then land a job and spend the next "X" amount of years getting ot if debt just to get back to even before you can start banking cash.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    More for readers than for you but Stick it out from 18 to 23 and you're set. If I could do it all over again, I would have done plumbing. Trades are hard to get into without having family or friends in it to guide you. Most schools wont help you, all about feeding the debt machine. If you have a trade program for after hours in highschool, fuckin do it.

    [–]BeeBopJoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I feel like I read this same exact thread a few months ago. Some dude got fired from his job for almost the exact same circumstances. Me personally I have the attitude that work is meant to be annoying and tedious, I do what I can but im not going to create a war at work to try and control things out of my power.

    If its a high paying job, the salary itself is already a good enough excuse to deal with the BS that might entail. Always have a second job lined up before making risky moves.

    [–]keichram 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    True it could be worse. You could have oneitis in addition to being unemployed. ;) Btw what field do you work in?

    [–]tc80291 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Would it not have been worth it to take one of the job offers, even though they weren’t willing to pay as much as you wanted, instead of doing Uber which you despise and I’m guessing earn less doing? You also gotta add in the wear and tear your vehicle takes.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Because I have to see things long term.

    They told me one salary in my first interview, made me go through the entire month long process which consisted of 4 interviews and flying me out to an in person interview, only to drop an offer $5,000 less than I was making before and $13,000 less than they originally gave me. If I went ahead, it would show I will be taken advantage of.

    Yes, I am in need of a job, but I am not that desperate yet to where I will jump at an offer that is below what I was making. Because if I accept a job that pays less than what I was making, that means I have to stick around at that job for a couple years unless I want to job hop, move all over again and quit on them, which I would rather not do. What if I take the job and a better opportunity comes in a couple weeks? Then I would have moved out there only to move away quickly. If I am going to move across the country it needs to be somewhere I am going to stay, you can't just sign an apartment lease and break it right away.

    [–]tc80291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ok yeah, I see your point then. All the best to you!

    [–]Viking_RnP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    HR run by women. Girl power get that toxic masculinity out.

    [–]alphabachelor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Great post. Been there, done that. Your advice is spot on.

    The only thing I’d recommend is to record your one on one conversations like this, Omarosa style.

    [–]lottsm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I went to college and got two advanced degrees; they haven’t paid off. I’m mid-40s, and broke; unemployed for more than a year. Glad higher education worked out for you, though.

    [–]enkae7317 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    But I'm not. I live in America, with a roof over my head, food in my stomach and the opportunity out there to succeed.

    My parents used to say, "if you born in America, you can do ANYTHING".

    The possibilities are endless. They came from a third world country living in fucking HUTS. Imagine that?

    [–]EdmondDaunts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I quit my job ten years ago after having enough of the indecision and horseshit. It was in STEM as well. I borrowed money from family and worked at developing skills (web programming, internet marketing) for my fledgling company. I also sold off everything but the essentials.

    I finally had to go home to a different part of the country and move back in with my parents (I was mid 30s). As luck would have it I managed to get a full-time position close to where I used to live in a matter of weeks. Upside: it paid. Downside: it was a permie job rather than contract. No matter, within a year I was contracting and have been doing so since. In parallel I al building my companies IP with internal projects.

    Lessons: Have money saved - Yes

    Don’t be afraid to go off walkabout - I ended up learning a whole different skillset as well as expand my technical knowledge in a parallel STEM / IT field. And because of that I’m able to leverage what I’m best at even more.

    Be Prepared for Struggle and Ego Bruising - It’s not all bad (unless you start taking cock for money) but a lot of what you saw yourself as gets stripped away.

    Be Disciplined - Start as you mean to go on because you’ll be forced to.

    And...there’ll be no such concept as vacation or time off.

    Regrets: None. To paraphrase Bruno Kirby says in City Slickers: It was the best time and worst time of my life.

    [–]Nergaal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good to get views from the ones down in the trenches.

    [–]Politikr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is me, bucking the beard policy at work. Literally walked into an office, just had to sign for my new fob, yesterday that was wholly occupied with 530lbs of jiggly female HR flesh in the personage of 3 HR managers. 1.5week beard.

    [–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Easy to agree on this one. It's really chill to apply for a new job when you already have one which pays good and is OK. You have honest outcome independence in every interview you go and you don't have to accept sub par salary offers.

    And the best time to apply for a job(find a better woman) is when you already have one(preselection). Jobs are the same.

    I've been applying for a couple of jobs over last year and got into interview in everyone of them (there is a great demand of my expertise and maybe because I'm not unemployed) but they didn't want to pay as much as I asked and it was fine. I passed.

    1 month ago one of these companies reached for me 9 months after the interview and asked if I was still interested. They told me to apply again for formal reasons and include my salary request. I smelt blood there and asked for more than I asked 9 months ago. I assume that they agreed because they really knew (from experience) that I will pass if I don't get what I want and I have no pressure to switch job anyway.

    I think this is the power of:

    • Outcome Independence.
    • Having a pleasing job/jobs (woman/women) already.
    • You being high value enough.

    [–]DafyddBreen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This kind of shit makes me glad to be an arborist. Male dominated field, pays well, don’t have to censor myself, get to do dangerous shit and spike my test levels every day. Keeps you fit as fuck.

    [–]Mescalean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sucks to hear man. Went through something similar. Played it cool and discovered new ways to get the hamster to freak every day while playing by “hr rules” that were set. Used to be a place where you could say whatever until someone made her cry and she brought up some sexual convos. I got other redpilled coworkers in on it because well she was a grade a cunt. Just little sarcastic quips and mocks. Nothing fireable. One day she thought she was being a bad ass and loudly exclaimed she wanted to throw the 47 percent peroxide we work around in my face. Thats acid. Have gotten it on my skin that is fucking acid. She then decides to try to get me fire by saying i made “jokes of rape against her”. So I called in my witnesses to my saintly behavior and 2 people who vouched “yeah crazy bitch wanted to toss acid in his eyes”

    Hr didnt do shit. I wasn’t fired, but it took me taking her mask off infront of everyone and letting everyone see insecure little girl with 5 years on me. She quit out of embarrassment and only having 2 of her little “girlfriends”(orbiters) to socialize with (most of us just work....)

    Moral. Well. Hr wont do shit for men. I had a threat of an acid attack from a bitch realizing she hit the wall. I some how weaseled my way out of it and “god” or whatever the fuck keeps giving me retarded luck was looking out for me here.

    OP. Sorry to here it man. It makes me glad i work in horticulture. It really could happen to anyone in this day and age.

    Readers and red pilled youth. Tread carefully with your words in the workplace and just around women in general. Apparently some men count as women these days too with that.

    [–]Demiurge_Decline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is a great post.

    So much gold therein. I agree with everything you are saying. I would add in addition to getting a degree in a field with high demand and low numbers of qualified people is to have a side hustle or enterprise that uses that same skill that your job sucks out of you on the side.

    For example: Work for HR Block? Do taxes on the side. Work in sales for company? Work in sales as a side hustle. Everyone in this day and age needs a "Drop job" which is nothing but an in between talent you have that can help keep you stay afloat or busy whle you move to next job.

    Jobs are trash in general- 6 figures will be like making 50k in 10 years or less. But noone can take the hair clippers out your hand, or the plunger from your fingers, or even the marketing genius you have away in hard times....

    Comparing jobs to dating is 100% correct. Your are replaceble. AWALT. Pay savings before you pay your debtors. 100% People wasting time with 3,4,5'5 is like working for Walmart when you have the ability to do much better. 100% Networking is bullshit when you dont have collatoral. 100% I can go on and on.. great post.

    [–]Chitlinsandgravy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    "Let's discuss this once both parties have had ample time to cool off."

    [–]Acerp321 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You are mostly correct in what you wrote. I went through something similar back in November. I got shitcanned for nonsense.

    I was farther along in my career making a lot of money. There are fewer of these higher tier jobs out there. It was during the holidays too.

    I reached out to a pretty vast network, and yea, my value wasn’t seen by most. Keep at it though because eventually a friend did come through.

    Try not to be angry about these realities. Swallow the pill, and never interact with a woman alone in business. You knew that shit, right? In your gut? You knew is she wanted to be s cunt nobody would even second guess here. Just like the #metoo movement. Anger got the best of you.

    Don’t get invested in the company culture, mantra, missions, etc. make every decision based on what you have to gain from it. Fuck a company. Fuck a job. You die, they dgaf. Probably just annoyed they gotta spend money to replace you.

    Those bosses that saw value in you are likely not stupid. Others will see it too. May not seem like it, but opportunities will show themselves sooner or later.

    [–]ArdAtak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Some of you will say that I did the right thing standing up for myself. Wrong. It was a bad decision in a work environment. It cost me a good paying job and a lot of forward equity I had built there. Want to defend yourself/stand up for yourself outside of work? Fine, if the situation calls for it. Not at work.

    You're right. In this situation, YOU should have been proactive and contact HR first. Minimized all private conversation with her and had the meeting with her with multiple other attendees to make sure there were plenty of witnesses. You should have avoided the hostile tone and use corporate speak in front of other witnesses like "Bitchy's is having difficulty with our new processes and I've gathered everyone here to discuss how we can help her with this transition. " Shoulda made sure your boss and hers were both present.

    [–]1point9gpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is one of the more cynical but realistic posts I've read -- there's a lot that can be said about being able to walking away and knowing your self worth. Tying that to your career will bring one a far way.

    Def upvoted and bookmarked, thank you for taking the time to write this.

    [–]RPinthemaking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Awesome post OP.

    I am a new grad but a lot of what you've said pertains to my current situation. I've been working in a shitty internship role for the past year and have applied to hundreds of jobs with only a handful of interviews. One was with a Fortune 500 company and you're point about being shittested more for higher paying roles goes true for this company. They literally had me go through 4 interviews and a technical test before deciding against me.

    Before I found TRP I was just barely coasting through life working shitty jobs, playing tons of video games, and shying away form challenges. It is because of this habit that I ended up switching majors from one that I KNOW I would have no problem finding a job in, to one that has me stressing out to find something for even a decent wage. Anyone reading this don't make the same mistake. Shoot for something that will increase your worth past your peers. Godspeed OP and I wish you the best of luck.

    [–]wanderer231988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I also missed on some big things because I said no to shitty boss, hr department or entitled bitch at work. My will to say no and to walk away and to take no shit did cost me lot of money, however it also gave me things which cant be bought with money. Things like being yourself, living and behaving on your terms, being fucking YOU without being apologetic bitch about it. You know, a man.

    Also, this mentality will push you down sometimes (like you now for example) but over time you will find something better. Man who stands on his feet and owns his shit can never be in trouble. He is like a cat. Whichever way you throw the cat, she is always on her feet.

    Also hr departments are the worse things ever. I somehow can get over bitches working there because job description fits them almost natural, but I hate guys working there. Soy boys and pussies and white knights. Id rather be a brick layer or some blue collar shit but could not work in hr department.

    [–]ToryTosh1922 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Nothing epitomises blue pill thinking better than HR

    [–]isteppedinsjw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Reading about things like this happening put me right back into the anger phase. I never seem able to crawl out.

    [–]2chazthundergut 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Are you really the best at what you do in the country?

    Start your own consult company. Freelance your expertise to the highest bidder.

    Companies are dying for qualified workers who can deliver.

    [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think I am.

    The problem is that its hard to sell myself on that concept through a resume and cover letter. Basically I am being cock blocked by corproate recruiters who don't actually know who is a good fit for the job they are recruiting for. Corporate recruiters are sifting through thousands of resumes for thousands of jobs.

    I am good at selling myself, but I need to get infront of the right people before I can do that.

    [–]Guardian_of_Justice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    At first i thought this sub is full of wisdom. Now months later i realize all these highly upvoted posts contain little to no lessons. American boys experiencing a little struggle and writing it out like a big deal, and everyone pats them in the back; american guy gets laid with a whore clubbing 9 and gets applauded. I've been there its as easy as a morning shit after drinking. Guys dont overestimate this sub. If you want lessons learn it from life or read the sidebar, you dont have to rely on this sub for everything in ur life, because some posts are wrong and useless.

    [–]punchyson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is basically why anyone who knows something about money says everyone needs a 3-6 month emergency fund.

    I'm selling off all the stuff I don't need and living as cheap as possible to reach that goal. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck, I've done it for too many years too.

    How nice it would be to have 6 months of cost of living saved up and be able to "hold frame" that says, I'm a badass at this and fuck you fire me if we are playing HR games.

    [–]JudgeDoom69 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I could have accepted their shit offer. It was in my dream city

    An alternate approach would be to accept the offer as a stopgap measure to keep the bills paid (especially if they are offering a good relocation package to your dream city), but then continue the job search until you find someone who'll pay you what you're worth.

    You will much be more hire-able if you are already employed in your field. An unemployed person who left on disciplinary terms is damaged goods and employers will see that as a red flag.

    It's not ideal, but it's pragmatic.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is a common thing? I'm doing it now, but was so proud I was breaking new ground, now it's just pedestrian work strategy.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is the best pseudonum I've ever seen in a field report.

    I'm dyin here.

    though in the future, I've had many experiences with people coming into my office talking nonsense. Next time, get up, walk to their office. They will follow you and continue to talk, then when you get to their office, they sit down out of habit. Then just leave.

    Works every time, and they never see you doing it.

    [–]thrownawayisland 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Fuck, same shit happened to me. Took over the Controller role of a multi million publicly traded company, found a shitload of issues, fixed all of them (something I'd never seen a manager do while reporting to one, which made me feel ALIVE!). After I fixed everything, was told they don't need me anymore as they can run things from there and with less people (the inefficiencies required more staff to do the same work). Luckily had a nest egg of $20k, but I burned through it over 6 months trying to find another job.

    It's been two years and I'm still barely making ends meet after that bullshit.

    Lesson learned: Don't fix inefficiencies, they are literal job security.

    [–]Geronus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lesson learned: Don't fix inefficiencies, they are literal job security.

    Which is exactly why the trains don't run on time anymore.

    [–]makes_u_laugh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I was unemployed for four months and had to use a wheelchair due to an injury and extreme pain all over my body. I started generating income online and took pain killers to manage. I was making a few thousand a month to cover myself until I could use my body properly again and go back to work. I then scored two jobs offers after two weeks of applying.

    If you grind hard enough, not only can unemployment be manageable but it can also work in your favour.

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s mentally taxing and fucking scary that you might not make rent, etc.

    But I managed in a wheelchair/on drugs. What’s your excuse for not grinding 15 hours a day from home?

    [–]awesume 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Best in the entire country! How humble! Why not in the Universe? Seriously though. You sound like an entitled child if you think like this, let alone say it publicly. This is why you got fired and this is why you can't get another job.

    [–]ianselfmade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Excellent post. Blew my mind.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    How could you have dealt with the woman better? It seems like an impossible situation to me but i can't help but think that there was some thing you could have done to subtly ruin her life and expell her from the workplace without it ever coming back on you..

    [–]V1SoR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    However we had a female employee who I will call "Bitch".

    THIS is how you start a long ass post. Only reason I didn't need a TL;DR on this one. Bravo!

    [–]BigGeek43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Pardon me, but I'm going to be blunt.

    Having a full-time job is like oneitis for one girl. If you're not working on alternative income streams then it's like settling for one plate. Only a matter of time before she breaks.

    Searching for a job is like a game. If you have a game, you'll do fine. Game means you have to know how to market yourself, negotiate and sell yourself. How does everyone look for a job? They look at the job ad and see employer is looking for someone with 5 years experience with X skill, so they think, "hmm, I have that skill and experience" and so they apply for a job. Will they get hired? Of course not. Why not? Because 200 other people have X skill and more experience. So what happened? The employer wised up and started looking for a high-achiever, an A-Player. And suppose they find that star, and he doesn't have an X skill. Will they drop him and go looking for someone with an X skill?

    Of course not. Forget the X skill. Now they want the star.

    So how do you become that star? I'm glad you asked.

    You have to establish yourself as an expert in the field. Share your knowledge. Get recognized. Write a book even. It's cheap. You can get published for $2 at lulu.com. Now you're an expert who published a book. Bring that to an interview. You'll clean up.

    Start a blog. Answer questions. Help other people.

    Now you're a recognized expert and when everyone else is answering job ads and competing with other candidates, you are being approached by those who are looking for an expert, the star, the best in the field.

    What do you think is your negotiation position? How about very high? Huge even? So what do you do?

    You have them come up with an offer. And then take your time to think it over. And then you make them a counter offer. Because, guess what? You don't need them. They need you. You have more offers to choose from.

    Now you're a chad. In a professional sense. One plate drops, you don't care. You spin multiples. How about you become a consultant and really reap the rewards. Get your own clients by running your own ads. Would you care if one client dropped you? No! You will fire them yourself if they don't start behaving. Life is too short.

    So how about you start to maximize your value and learn how to show and prove your value. Negotiate like a pro. Prove you are a high achiever. Start bragging more at the interviews. Tell stories how you've achieved. It's called marketing. I'll tell you a secret. People love to be sold but they hate to be pressured. Sell them on yourself and your skills. It's easier than you think. Problem is they don't teach that in school. Tech skills will only get you so far. A few business skills will change your life. Start now, fellows.

    Me? I teach all that and more. More info at getrichasaprogrammer.com

    [–]yammyha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    OP I'm cheering for you. Keep us updated on this thread. I'm a semester away from being a fresh IT grad. Your hustle is admirable 👍 and it puts it in light the struggles of a man being made. A good deal of it sounds like 48 laws of power and social wit would be handy in these situations

    [–]Wildfire_enthusiast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You fucked up by not creating an emergency fund before paying off your debt. Now you know.

    [–]demfeelz916 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    SOO are you still unemployed?

    [–]SpecialistParticular 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Worst part of being unemployed: "So what do you do?" and having to make something up.

    It's like Hank being terrified of dying on his day off. "Hank Hill found dead, not working."

    [–]Malago0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I work in landscaping due to the fact that I got suspended from a top 40 university and caught a felony. Currently going through community college to get back into finishing my degree. One Friday I finish up around 8. The project manager at my job starts saying "Why didn't you ask for help" throwing in some sideways emojis. I tell him that I didn't need it and they wouldn't have been there anyway. How funny of you to offer help after the fact. He say some sideways shit to me calling me garbage and saying I'm milking the clock (The case is the complete opposite) I tell him to shut his mouth or I'll punch him square in it. Turns into a flame war. Mind you I make 12$ an hour and he makes 22$. I have enough people offering me more money that I don't give a shit. I tell him I'll see him Monday. Monday he doesn't come in. He shows up to the commercial site (I do all the residentials.) and he instantly gets joked off and he says "No one has ever talked to me like that, I quit." The boss tells me to give him options. I tell him in the group chat he can either fight me that day or he can apologize and never even look me in the eyes again. He quits and now everyone's a lot happier. He thought he could talk to everyone like that. I don't make anywhere near as much as a lot of you and I'm only 22, but at a certain point Self-Respect comes over everything. I think in every environment there's a way to play the game. Fortunately in mine I'm already smarter than everyone and being a lean 6'3" 185 and going to the gym 3+ times a week gives me a solid physical advantage over almost everyone. Especially with my wrestling background.

    [–]patuloco78 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for your honest post. Believe in yourself and ignore what’s going on what’s around you. It’s the hardest challenge you will face on your life until you go somewhere. Tap into the wisdom you have. Just trust in yourself, you have nothing to loose

    [–]patuloco78 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Bro, if you trust woman you are on your own

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    How very well said. With that kind of mindset you ll get what you want sooner than later. Been in your spot as well and decided to finally go my own way and start my own business.

    [–]TheStoicCrane -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    This is a true a Red Pill Post. Fuck women. This is as real as it gets. Thanks for sharing OP.