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Red Pill TheoryThe Metamorphoses (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 3itiswr1tten

Like my last post, we'll start with a history lesson to help you answer a question you've come to TRP to try to answer:

"What makes men and women so different in the way that they love?"

By the end, you will understand that there is an underlying, unifying, SIMPLE theory that connects a number of existing TRP truths quite nicely. But first, history:

The Metamorphoses, as written by Ovid:

Ovid was a Roman poet. An important one, to be sure. He wrote a psuedo-epic, a series of interconnected poems, that defies a genre to this day. Ovid's magnum opus was called "The Metamorphoses."

The work is a pseudo-epic because it unfolds by jumping from one transformation tale to another, sometimes retelling important events in the world of Greek mythology, and other times moving fully into a bizarre tangent. Instead of following the hero's journey and preaching his virtues (a true epic), it simply jumps in between unconnected stories, but nonetheless has a profound, underlying link that ties the spaghetti together - love.

Ovid's work largely focused on the subject, and he masterfully understood its true nature - the Metamorphoses are essentially tales of how love (whether personal or anthropomorphized as Amor aka Cupid) humiliates, confuses, and otherwise makes humorous fools of the Roman Gods.

The work as a whole inverts the Roman culture, elevating human desires and passions by framing the Gods and their desires as comic relief when confronted with this awesomely powerful human element.

The Metamorphoses, as TRP theory:

A woman's relationship with a man changes what she wants in men

A man's relationship with a woman does not change what he wants in women

Many excellent TRP posts and aphorisms have been penned that are derivatives of this unifying theory:

Women's pair bonding mechanism is damaged in a way a man's is not via promiscuity

A true statement, but it's missing the real theory: the woman's pair bonding mechanism isn't damaged by virtue of "being a slut", like we'd like to think (because it is nice and simple and validates our anger towards women that have abandoned or wronged us).

Women love conditionally, and men love (mostly) unconditionally, save for sex and respect.

Also true, also falls short. Yes a woman's love is conditional, but what seems to make it worse over time? Why is hypergamy such a problem for everyone?

Alpha Widow - a woman who has tasted a bit of the top percentage points of men, and is ruined as a result

It's not because some mythical Chad archetype "damaged" her, and now she only wants Chad, like many think....

The lightswitch effect - when a woman decides she's through with you, she rewrites history in a way where you were never attractive in the first place

Profound, and true - but still a derivative: why, besides the superficial convenience of this mechanism for the woman, does the lightswitch effect exist, and WHY IS IT SO INSTANTANEOUS?

Conclusion

The answer lies in the Metamorphoses - promiscuity gives women a huge number of reference points for her ideal man. She creates a list of things she wants for "the one", but the list keeps growing. Uncontrollably. Like all humans, our memories get fuzzy - we tend to just remember the good things from the past. That coping mechanism is the root of nostalgia.

Unfortunately, when men Metamorphose what that woman wants the effect is permanent. The lightswitch effect happens and works because what she wants in a man has now changed, and you're not enough anymore. Her conditions to love have expanded once again, and you now fail to meet the criteria.

If she gathers enough conditions, she reaches the Alpha Widow archetype - her Superman has such a cartoonishly long list of requirements that she resigns herself to "settling" for something less than Superman. She doesn't appreciate that Superman is a collage of all of the traits she liked in men, sans any of the flaws; it is this fundamental misunderstanding that has so radically transformed the modern sexual marketplace. This is the core of the dualistic mating strategy!

Flipping the script to men, TRP is basically a big toolbox designed to avoid negative outcomes, because what we want out of women DOES NOT CHANGE - it is only that we improve our abilities to better select that woman, and manage the relationship to achieve that unchanged and unchanging desired outcome.

Epilogue

From Wikipedia:

The Metamorphoses ends with an epilogue, one of only two surviving Latin epics to do so. The ending acts as a declaration that everything except his poetry—even Rome—must give way to change:

"Now stands my task accomplished, such a work

As not the wrath of Jove, nor fire nor sword

Nor the devouring ages can destroy".

The truth cannot be destroyed. It cannot be unlearned. Once you deeply and truly instill this TRP knowledge within yourself, you'll learn that the world around you may change, but the poetry of TRP will endure. It is non-malleable.... because just like our relationships, your experiences with women will not change the truth.


[–]DeBrawnMD 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This makes sense. Another way to frame it from a sexual market place point of view.

Fact:

  • Both sides try to maximize the biggest SMV partner possible.
  • Women's SMV peaks at a young age, so their possible partners' SMV decreases with time.
  • Men's SMV peaks later in life, so their possible partners' SMV increases (to a point) with time.

If a man knows this and seeks to maximize their partner, they already have the "ideal" traits of a woman and need to work their way up to a partner with the highest SMV possible. Men look to the future because they know they can achieve something more ideal. Assuming their SMV is low when men start, then their criteria are also built on lower women. As they age and improve SMV, they gain access to higher SMV women.

Women start with maximal SMV. They date higher SMV men, but their partner's SMV choices decrease over time (assuming women are on the CC). Therefore, they form criteria based on high SMV men. As women's SMV decreases, they still retain those high SMV criteria. There is a brief window they can achieve both, although few realize it.

Therefore, the right option for both sexes is to partner off at their highest SMV (or the point they are satisfied with their partners' SMV). For women that is sooner in life. For men that is later.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I applaud your efforts of pushing classic wisdom onto our TVtards. Hopefully some will break and persue wisdom over easy dopamine.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Constantly impressed at the level of dialogue here. Ovid on TRP? Love it

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I will never understand the posts that talk about masculinity, like it's some esoteric thing you want to understand.

but the poetry of TRP will endure

Though the pep talk is appreciated, it's more for you than the readership IMO

[–]3itiswr1tten[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

As neutrally as I can express the sentiment - not everything here needs to be written at a 7th grade reading level. Already plenty of good posters for whom that is a guiding principle. I'm not here to post the same shit.

And quite frankly this post is as simple as it gets from the masculine side - your presence in her life alters her wants and "needs", hers does not.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

what does reading level have to do with making a subreddit committed to getting people laid sound like the trials of heracles?

[–]3itiswr1tten[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The punchline of the post is written in plain (large text) English - sexual relationships don't have the same impact on the sexes.

The introduction is a hook.

The body relates to a classical text, one that both states and implies that a lack of understanding about "love" is something that has plagued intelligent human beings enough that a smart guy wrote a book in 8 AD poking fun at his culture's Gods to help the plebs get it.

The second body links the first to TRP sidebar terms with leading questions to lead to...

The conclusion. I wrote a micro Metamorphoses on a single subject that links various and disconnected TRP aphorisms to my underlying theory. Doesn't feel like the trials to my read.

[–]quakociaptockh 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I believe that Alpha Widow is real and it is caused by Alpha, not by the woman.

Alpha deliberately destroys his woman's psyche to make her unable to bond with Betas.

This is something akin to "mating plug" (check Wikipedia). Examples from nature follow. Male cats have special horns on their penises to scratch the female's vagina to make her unwilling to mate with other males.

Breaking the girl is an Alpha way of securing loyalty. Not that I'm happy about that.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Alpha deliberately destroys his woman's psyche to make her unable to bond with Betas.

Nah. He takes what he wants, he follows a male-centric dating strategy, but he doesn't intend to damage her psyche. This is the whole disney/BP myth: that men who get what they want are somehow anti-women.

In other words: "marry me or you're a misogynistic wifebeater".

This is something akin to "mating plug" (check Wikipedia). Examples from nature follow. Male cats have special horns on their penises to scratch the female's vagina to make her unwilling to mate with other males

Bullshit. It's much more in a man's interest that she is emotionally stable, happy and secure so that she can raise his children.

The "mating plug" applies only to creatures that can be multiply impregnated. In the case of humans: impregnation by another man only happens if the first guy didn't get her pregnant. It makes sense to mate guard for the rest of the night, after that there is zero benefit to him or his genes from destroying or damaging her in any way shape or form. She is carrying his child.

Breaking the girl is an Alpha way of securing loyalty. Not that I'm happy about that.

No, this is a fundamentally beta strategy. The alpha strategy is "fuck and move on". The beta strategy is "fuck and make her stick around because this is my best chance at having a child".

u/quakociaptockh you need to learn to apply basic logic to your arguments.

[–]yammyha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you look at social power dynamics in relationships there are a few outcomes from what I've seen. Taken with a grain of salt based on perspective

Guy plays alpha, female plays beta (the guys usually the better looking person) - guy can lead and call the shots - typical "bad boy" attitude of not giving a f*ck - girl tries to turn him into a nice guy (blue pill) - most trp assumed mindset

Guy plays beta, female play alpha (the girls the better looking one in the relationship) - blue pilled, emotional and financial provider - she holds all the power in her palm taking the lead - instantly bang or go for the dude better than her in terms of value

Guy plays alpha, girl plays alpha( two high SMV individuals will butt heads for the upper hand in social power) - always trying to best the other. A quick shot of lust but turns into chaos - struggle of power between pushing and pulling

Guy plays beta, girl plays beta - generally happy with each other - both aren't high in SMV - dynamics are shared

Guy plays both alpha/beta pending situation, girl still prefers to be the beta - calls the shot, leads and understands her emotionally. - she feels girly around his masculine image yet can be an emotional provider. - dynamics shared to a certain extent - the ultimate gentleman - the real trp of self-improvement

[–]perdipp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A woman's relationship with a man changes what she wants in men

A man's relationship with a woman does not change what he wants in women

can you please simplify this a bit? an example would help :) thank you for the post

[–]nadolny7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A man will always want a tight body and a good face in a women, this fact does not change with time.

A women, by dating multiple men over her life, will want the best qualities of each man she dated/ had sex with. This makes the women have an increasingly long list of qualities the next man must have in order to be desired, which explains the common notion that women in their 30s are considered to be insufferable to date around.

She already had a lot of partners and thus her list of qualities is very long compared to a young 22 year old.

[–]gbdoragnic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> TRP is basically a big toolbox designed to avoid negative outcomes

TRP can be used as a tool box , But isn't it more of a treasure map, or the truth of the matter.

> This is the core of the dualistic mating strategy!

This is AWALT at it's truest form, AWALT doesn't mean women are cheaters, and bad people, it means they are in it for themselves and this is the methods they use to ensure their success, the conflict comes when her success is your detriment. Men are taught to look out for her interests and his interests.

In short reciprocation is a bad word for men and they are told they are not genuine when they want something in return

> The answer lies in the Metamorphoses - promiscuity gives women a huge number of reference points for her ideal man. She creates a list of things she wants for "the one", but the list keeps growing.

In here is where maturity comes into play, even if she wants someone "Better" , that is fine, it's about understanding how this effects me , I now know not to compete with other men, but wish her the best and move on with my life. Many people reading TRP tend to not want to learn these concept because they view the world as black and white, women are either quality or low quality and any one operating outside of that frame is damage and doesn't count.

> The truth cannot be destroyed. It cannot be unlearned.

Abuse isn't a genetic defect, it's knowledge, if a women breaks your hurt and you react differently this isn't because you were hurt, this is because you have new knowledge, the female imperative wants you to forget about the shadow side of women and focus on the surface. Being hurt is something you are told to purge

[–]CowboyEpicurus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is not all love conditional? What would absolute love look like?

Another good read from the classical-antiquity era is Plato’s Symposium. Fun fact: the expression, “platonic love” was derived from...guess who? In today’s jargon, it usually means a kind of love that is not romantic. But that’s not how Plato wrote love. It’s hard to say what his own opinion was on the matter, but he really had some interesting stuff in his dialogues about it. Also his other work on love, Phaedrus written in consideration of pederasty, so there’s that. Reason and desire, as moralists often preach — or warfare as say ecologists.

Not sure if Amor is the same as Ερος, but nonetheless mythological and archetypal thinking is profound. A figurative understanding of love somehow seems powerful to bring one closer to its truth. Symbolism in the form of events while gaming, since y’all like gaming so much, can be followed under what’s sometimes called the law of attraction.