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Women and Sex: Its Not Intimacy, its Power (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by NorthEasternNomad

Women do not associate sex with intimacy.

This is an insight borne partly of time spent with Rolo Tamassi's rather Excellent book, The Rational Male (despite the tragically awful audiobook version). And partly of my own observation in my (still somewhat...lackluster, waxing and waning LTR.

We all know women like sex. But I think a lot of us still believe that sex, to women, is representative of intimacy. Of romantic love. And while maybe - and i only say maybe - this is true during the courtship phase, it is certainly not the case once you enter into the Bait and Switch (or Relationship) phase of your time with a woman.

For women in any sort of relationship with a man, sex is about power. Period. Full stop. On your part, sex should express your power. Dominance. Forcefulness. The barely contained aggression of the Raw Alpha Male she so powerfully desires. On her part, sex represents bargaining power. If she is your sole source of it, then she has power in the relationship. Perhaps not total power, but some measure of it nonetheless. If she believes, however, that she is not the sole source - or even that you are capable of readily acquiring other sources - her power is greatly diminished, if not removed outright.

What this means, for men, like me, who for some bizarre reason still choose to engage in monogamous relationships (seriously, just dont, at least not until well into your thirties, if not later) is this: You must never let her believe that you cannot acquire ready sources of sex beyond her. Not. Ever. This is basic Red Pill truth anyway; we all know it, or read it, at least, every day. I cannot emphasize, however, the degree to which this will shape your own relationship, especially once you become monogamous with a woman.

Because the simple truth is this: A man's power is expressed through the act of HAVING sex. A woman's power is expressed through the act of REFUSING sex. Again, basic Red Pill truth. But the manner in which it plays out, and the degree of relevance it carries, in your own relationship is important.

A woman who knows that you simply cannot acquire other ready sources of sex will put her power on full display. She will make Sex transactional, giving it only as a behavior conditioning reward. And then only often enough, and with enough earnestness, to keep you in line. Passion will die. Your feelings will falter. Your relationship will become a place of resentful misery, as you face your binary choices: Incel Existence, or Blue Pill line-towing in exchange for subpar sexual "rewards" doled out like the carrot at the end of a very long stick, to a very tired and dispirited horse who has gone on trudging long past the point where he would really rather take a rest. This will happen because your woman knows she does not have to compete for your attention, or the security and stability you provide.

A woman who remains eternally concerned that you have ready access to other sources of sex, however, must compete for your time and attention. She must EARN you. This makes it much more likely that said woman will see GIVING sex as an expression of power (namely, power over another woman, or the power to win in competition with other women). As such, she will give eagerly and without hesitation, as your continuing to reward her with time and attention is a reinforcement of her own belief in the power she wields. But be mindful you dont slip too far into contentment (the mistake I made) and let yourself go a bit. Because once you do so, you end up with the situation I described above, a largely sexless, carrot and stick existence in which you must tow the line to receive carefully doled out sexual rewards.

So gentlemen, work on yourselves. Lift. Stay lean and fit. Maintain your own hobbies and interests. Make her continually enter into your frame if she wants significant time with you. Acknowledge her. Treat her well. But maintain yourself, control the frame, and maintain enough space and "me time" to always leave her wondering if, just maybe, you could slip away to some other lover. Because that will turn her desire to maintain power in the relationship into a desire to express power through competitive giving of sex, as opposed to the manipulative withholding of it.


[–]1Ill_Will7 340 points341 points  (9 children)

A monopoly never serves the customer. Only finds ways to further extract revenue.

Competition lowers prices, increases innovation and inspires other competitors that think they can do the same job better, and at a lower cost.

[–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Spot on. In all walks of life.

[–]yamehameha 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It's true that supply and demand controls the market but it's not the only way to power. Having multiple partners is just one way to show your commodity.

I personally like to treat sex as a nice to have but not a necessity. In other words I control my desires for sex and I'm ready to walk away from it at any moment if it becomes a bargaining tool. I also sometimes like to reject my woman from sex if I feel she hasn't been behaving well. If she asks for dick and I feel she hasn't deserved it I'll let her know playfully that she can have some when she behaves. You might say well she might just see another guy for sex which is true but with this mindset, to her all other men will seem second tier so why would she choose something second best? Sex itself will be less pleasurable to her with other guys because there is no value there and easy to come by (no pun intended).

Basically my point is control your own desires and no one will be able to control you.

[–]Schmo12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mind fucking blown. No joke.

[–]Difficult_Top -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

Or you know, be less of a bad fuck. (Only 25 percent of women are consistently orgasmic during vaginal intercourse.)

Here you go.

She Comes First: The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman https://www.amazon.com/She-Comes-First-Thinking-Pleasuring/dp/0060538260

[–]a_crapybara 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Did you reply to the wrong person or something?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fool proof plan. Become this guy

[–]j_arbuckle2012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This.

But She Comes First is a bloopie nightmare of a book. Read the Sex God Method.

[–]3slicetoaster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it's not my fault if she has a numb cunt

[–]wineinacoffeemug 154 points155 points  (14 children)

Oscar Wilde : “Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.”

[–]slazengere 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Heard this on house of cards, didn’t know it was an Oscar Wilde quote! Deep.

[–]this_weeks_account2 32 points33 points  (0 children)

One of my favourite quotes of all time, and one that truly represents life more than we know.

[–]RudeGarbage 22 points23 points  (2 children)

The gays sure do know a lot about fucking

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interestingly, the gays are also using sex as power. Think about that for a second.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Of course this quote is in the comments.

It’s untrue though. Sex is about sex. At least for guys. Feminists loooooove to say that “rape is about power” because they’ve never lived a second as a man and cannot comprehend our sexual urge, especially one frustrated for too long.

I always thought that this bizarre idea of “sex is about power” claimed by feminists must be some sort of projection - that this is how women feel about sex. And OP made a sensible explanation here.

[–]TheReformist94 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sex is only about power when said male is a beta. Women enjoy sex for sex with alphas, and the alpha is doing the female a favour putting a dash of his jizz in her

[–]wineinacoffeemug 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Respectfully this comes across as a comment by someone frustrated by a feminist strawman and with "frustrated sexual urges" on the brain. People who don't imply rape is justified if some poor noble gentleman goes without too long, tend to get laid more. Weird I know. Anyway this quote I posted was said by a man and I was reminded of it the other day by a male friend...never yet met a girl who has heard it before. I think it refers to sex as a whole/in culture, not just rape. Maybe try not thinking about rape so much

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This quote was posted by a gay man with a strong bias for displaying his witticism. Doesn't make it true. If you want to take a quote seriously, bring me back one from a politically unbiased scholar who did a career researching men's sexuality from a biological, hormonal, neurological perspective instead.

There is no strawman here. This "sex is about power" thing is 100% cannon feminism theory. Ask any feminist. And my comment doesn't come from a place of frustration - only of intellectual curiosity to understand where could such a quote come from as my sexual urges have never come from a place of "exercising/gaining power over women". I just felt a strong urge to fuck. Not dissimilar to my urge for water when I am thirsty. Is thirst for water about power too? And if you're not convinced, wonder why millions of men beat their meat to porn? To exercise power? It sure doesn't make one feel powerful.. What about the men fucking sex dolls? Where's power in this?

Hence why I have always been perplexed by this Oscar Wilde quote and its appropriation in feminist theory - I could not relate to it one bit.

[–]wineinacoffeemug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with basically everything you have said but my one thing would be, I don't think the quote implies "sex means male power over female", which is why I became confused about the talk of feminism and rape, as IMO the quote denotes that much of life for both sexes is spent immersed in innuendo, striving to have sex (women also do this, so I wasn't conceptualizing this scenario as "men have the urge to fuck women, who do not reciprocate and who believe all sex is rape/power/fetish") For me the quote represents the ubiquity of sex in culture, and the fact that commonly sex can express power, but not necessarily of one person over another, bending them to your will etc. I have often personally said I consider sex akin to a handshake because it isn't usually this astoundingly intimate experience that some put it on a pedestal as. I'm sorry for coming across as rude. I just wasn't immediately certain why suddenly the conversation was about feminists crying rape and what have you when I saw the quote as being more multifaceted than that.

Cheers

[–]j_arbuckle2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank fuck. Someone gets it!

[–]RedHeimdall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Such an over-rated quote. Not true for straight men who are not in prison.

[–]zyqkvx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for writing this reply, which is an uphill battle.

Right. for women sex is about power. for men it's about being unchained. Rape isn't about power, it's about being dehumanized by dehumanizing those [women] who refuse to relent power. I'm not saying that is good or just. I'm saying that is the byproduct of extremes. The best tool men have to avoid such shit mindsets is abundance, self improvement and deprograming themselves of the bullshit they are raised to believe. Everything we are raised to believe is a quilt woven to serves 1000s of other people types, and never yourself..

[–]snowdogmom 10 points11 points  (3 children)

People care way too much about sex lol

[–]Churningaway 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's nothing special once you've had enough of it

[–]snowdogmom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah and movies / porn are so unrealistic. It’s honestly not that great. Learning a skill is a waaaaaaaay better use of time.

[–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 214 points215 points  (53 children)

Holy shit, sometimes this sub takes 2 steps forward and 1 step back. This is that 1 step back. Not trying to be a white knight here, but some women use sex as power, some don't. Some men use sex as power, some don't. Some women want sex for intimacy, e.g. one of my ex's. Some women use sex as power e.g. another one of my ex's.

You're just fueling the hatred for women in this sub unnecessarily, and one of the reasons this sub has a bad name. What you should be saying is, "If your partner uses sex as power, RUN, because she's a manipulator."

Not all women do, one's that do are bad apples.

[–]FryingdutchpaN 91 points92 points  (19 children)

Agreed. You have to realize this sub is probably loaded with incels though.

[–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 62 points63 points  (11 children)

That's why I never understood all the efforts to ban certain subs. Incels were contained to their own little sub where they could hate women all day long and you never had to read any of it, until they banned it. Congratulations, liberals, now incels are homeless bums camping out and spreading their shit all over reddit.

[–]zyqkvx 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh, is that where all the incels in r.theredpill came from over this last year?

Bluepills insist they are not incels. Now we are set up to see McCarthyism unfold in r.theredpill as bluepills incels point fingers at old school TRP'ers who are pointing fingers back at (but mostly ignore) bluepill incels. This forum is getting eaten from the inside out.

[–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it reads like fan fiction hero story or is particularly harsh on women, it's probably a blue pill lol.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Redpill used to be quality, now there's incel trash strewn everywhere.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan -1 points0 points  (5 children)

I think you are confusing liberals with leftists.

[–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Yeah yeah classic liberalism I get what you're after. I don't care. Liberal today means leftist. The old gods are dead.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The death of these distinctions is toxic to modern thought. The fact that you actually get what I am saying indicates there is still hope.

Since you do understand, please do your part to preserve critical political thinking: use the appropriate terminology.

[–]riot2100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. As a libertarian I incorporate both liberal and conservative ideas into my ideals. To assume all liberal thought is associated with the democrats or the current leftists is an exclusive way of thinking, and will contribute even more to political polarization.

[–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

The whole point of language is to convey ideas from person to person. Language also evolves. Existing words take on different meanings, new words are created, and some words die out entirely.

Trying to hold on to the old meaning of a word is pointless. Nobody will know you mean the archaic definition unless you explain it.

[–]SelfUnmadeMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While what you are saying is of course sometimes true, in this case the meaning of the word "liberal" is pretty well established and not at all trivial.

Liberals are, first and foremost, believers in free speech and would not advocate eradicating a space that so-called "incels" created in order to associate with one another. Liberals even enshrined the freedom of assembly in the US Constitution. Much of what we have in western society today is a result of what liberals past have fought for.

No, the leftists responsible for the eviction of the incels are of a different flavor entirely. "Oversensitive children with a thirst for blood" is a more apt label. They will tear down what generations of liberals have built just to satisfy their own righteousness and sense of inadequacy, and it will be detrimental to everyone.

Maintaining this distinction is far from pointless. Even you must realize that one of these groups is far more dangerous than the other.

[–]zyqkvx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wrong. Do you know where you can find a subreddit chuck full of incels? in r.niceguys, where incels hang out, they act out their incel-ness, talk as though they are the elite few that are not incels, and circle jerk their bluepill to each other. Over the last year r.theredpill has been raided by incels. Now it has 10X as many incels, and they are beating down guys legitimately going through the anger stage.

What people upvote in r.theredpill now days genuinely disgusts me. I'm not without my own flaws that need adjustment. I'm also not on the fools path that so many here lazily embrace.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Aren't basically 80% of all single men incels though?

[–]zyqkvx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Take the downvotes as positive reality points. They are denial trigger points.

[–]longduckdongger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I mean have you seen the spokesmen at these little conventions they have? It’s literally a bunch of chad version of neckbeards who essentially teach psychological manipulation. The entire sub smells of nothing but borderline abusive men.

[–]spistruth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Which sub are you talking about?

[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All subs are loaded with them. What are you going to do about it?

[–]riot2100 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Thank God I wasn’t the only one who thought this. The idea of questioning everything around you and weeding out the bullshit involves doing so to TRP itself as well.

[–]zyqkvx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not untrue, but 80% of people in r.theredpill now are own the wrong side of the road going the wrong direction.

[–]fuckingoddamnname 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think you might be full of shit. Power is always an aspect of it to varying degrees. Doesn't matter if it's s girl blowin you in the parking lot, yer gfriend or your wife.

[–]Deomon 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Replace women with manipulative controlling bitch and this post makes sense. Most women aren’t manipulative controlling bitches though.

[–]meat-slinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and yet we say AWALT. think abstract!

[–]zyqkvx -1 points0 points  (10 children)

90%+ of women put on a 'honeymoon' persona till they are married then promptly change as planned, and 90% of men are a perfect[ly bad] fit because they are bluepill. This thread, particularly, is filled with bluepill drawl.

Honestly, I'm completely wasting my time saying this. The psychology of influence is not here.

[–]Deomon 5 points6 points  (9 children)

If you honestly believe that 90% of women are manipulative of their spouses then yes you are wasting your time because your head is so far up your own ass everything you hear is muffled.

[–]zyqkvx 0 points1 point  (8 children)

There needs to be a new forum r.redpillincel for you and half the other noobs that are dragging r.theredpill down.

Women have completely different firmware.

I don't know what the mods are going to do after the redpill-minded members give up and wander off. I can feel it happening for over six months.

I'm talking to everyone else, more than I'm talking to you.

edit: yeah downvote the person you are arguing with. It's the tell tale sign of a little bitch.

[–]Deomon 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Women are different does not equal women are manipulative. I’m a very manipulative guy as a habit and I often have to catch and stop myself from manipulating my gf and the people around me. My gf couldn’t manipulate her way out of a paper bag and neither could most of the women I know.

I also don’t believe anyone who is willing to apply a framework based on opinion to 90% of a group numbering in the billions is a smart individual. In case i’m not being clear enough, I just called you dumb.

[–]zyqkvx -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

Women are hard wired to manipulate to the point they don't see it as manipulation. They see it as being part of an established women community and identity. Go to a bowling alley and watch the little girls and boys. Boys are groomed to figure out how to knock those pins down. Girls see bowling (or whatever is involved) as frivolous. They butterfly around seeking attention, ignoring any discipline, and cheering big when they knock over many pins by chance.

Women, as a starting default, don't give a fuck about men any more than you give a fuck about Nike workers making your shoes, iPhone workers making your iPhone, Mexican produce pickers that bring you your food.

Women are different does not equal women are manipulative. I’m a very manipulative guy as a habit and I often have to catch and stop myself from manipulating my gf and the people around me.

I think what you are saying is your conscience is triggered when you are manipulative. We are all manipulative. It's a matter of degree, style, balance of justice, nature, and depth perception.

[–]Deomon 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I advise you to seek professional help. You’re just as delusional as the Feminists who think all men are toxic and so it’s ok to hate on men as a whole.

You’re whole flawed argument is “this is my personal interpretation of the world, go forth and see it as I do”.

[–]zyqkvx -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Shaming me now? This forum is going to complete shit.

You’re whole flawed argument is “this is my personal interpretation of the world, go forth and see it as I do”.

I take the responsibly of talking from my perspective, not from the collective perspective, yes.

[–]Deomon 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I’ve been shaming you this whole time and you indirectly called me an incel. You’re complainif now is a failed attempt to deflect because you don’t have a counter argument.

[–]imtheoneimmortal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

: A man's power is expressed through the act of HAVING SEX

So we have only power to have sex, we express with sex?

[–]FaboulusGrape 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I agree.

Sure, withholding sex is about power. Sex itself is not about power.

[–]a_crapybara 5 points6 points  (6 children)

u/Looking_4_Stacys_mom

u/FryingdutchpaN

u/riot2100

u/Deomon

u/FaboulusGrape

u/NexVenator

u/GreetMufasa

u/imtheoneimmortal

u/GodOfDinosaurs

I see that some of you are brand new to TRP. Please read the sidebar to better understand some of the core concepts. Maybe a refresher would help.

[–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Don't you think it might be possible that a few of us made new accounts?

[–]a_crapybara 1 point2 points  (4 children)

It's never too late to read the sidebar.

[–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It's not concern trolling. I am just saying it's a bad post rather than concern trolling. I am allowed to refute or call out a post for being crap.

[–]a_crapybara -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

?? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't think you're a troll.

[–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Then what are you implying

[–]a_crapybara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not implying anything. I'm telling you that you have not read the sidebar or you need to re-read the sidebar because you've forgotten the fundamentals.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

First, knock it off with the concern troll shit.

Second, stop concerning yourself with what women think and do. All that matters is what you do. If you show your wallet to a woman after a unenthusiastic handy, she'll take what she can get it out of it and leave you holding your dick. If you are the prize, she'll fuck enthusiastically and be happy with just that.

Moar sidebar.

[–]Looking_4_Stacys_mom 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not concern trolling, I'm just calling out this garbage ass post. It has 0 substance, 0 evidence and filled the generalities like, " For women in any sort of relationship with a man, sex is about power. Period. Full stop. "

Like wtf is this garbage. If you read other comments on this thread, other people have similar opinions. OP has some good reasoning and points, but the rest is just garbage and should be downvoted into oblivion.

[–]zyqkvx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some as in 97% women, and 5% men use sex for power.

You're comment is inherently bluepill because you omitted this part.

[–]hellothisisjade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It may be naive, but in a relationship between two people who both believe the other is extremely sexually attractive, but also have great self esteem, both people know and acknowledge the capability of having sex with others - that allows for the partners to appreciate the other to the full extent since both parties portray their final CHOICE to be sexually actively with each other. I think that this is a greater form of monogamy where the relationship is not based solely on sex but on the actual choice to love, and physically love each other despite outside temptations. Waddaya think?

[–]victor_knight 51 points52 points  (42 children)

Women are actually very discriminating about whom they really want to have sex with (or "give" themselves to, if you will), even though they are willing to have sex with just about anyone (yes, man or woman) for the right price.

[–]Hoodwink 75 points76 points  (29 children)

It's important to understand why all women are essentially bisexual (thus why they will mostly support the feminist line that gender is fluid) - it's about the partners ability to show power and dominance that reactively forms their own (small n) narcissistic headspace where their own submissiveness turns themselves on.

Therefore, for a women to be turned on, it's not about gender or even the looks of a man (although it helps). It's about attitude and how you can tell a story with your hands, body, and voice. And the likelihood of her believing that story.

All women are 'bisexual'. That's why 'political lesbianism' actually makes sense to women.

And that's why women aren't necessarily turned on by you even if you are Adonis. They get turned on through their own submissive headspace that tells a story in their head. It's why all women experience high levels of talkative-neurotic story-telling behavior - it's an essential part of their sexuality.

[–]j_arbuckle2012 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Ayo. Another person who gets it.

Furthermore, if you can master talking dirty properly, you basically resonate with this internal narrative and can reprogram her mind. It's fuckin' powerful shit. That internal story-telling is what you're tapping into when you talk dirty. Real Dominance allows you to completely subvert her own internal narrative.

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    [–]j_arbuckle2012 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's subspace. You need to be good enough at reading state changes to know when she's there. Mastery is putting her there against her will (consentual non-consent). Frame, game, and the least spoken of thing here: D O M I N A N C E.

    1. Be Dominant. This won't work if you are not Dominant.

    2. You are likely entirely too quiet. You won't dirty talk well if you remain silent during sex. Get used to making noise while you fuck.

    3. Manhandling. Getting her into subspace is making her surrender control. If you can't, don't, or won't manhandle her this will never work. The more and more firmly you touch and handle her the better this will work. You are a man. Handle her like a man. This ties into no. 4.

    4. Narrate, sensualize, sexualize. That's the order. Narrate what you're doing (manhandling, fucking, sucking, etc.), sensualize it (how you feel, what you feel, what that makes her feel, how intensely, etc.), make it sexual (tie it to what you're doing to her cunt). Get David Shade's Hot Phone Sex. He legit ran a phone sex hotline for women where he gave them Os with nothing but his voice.

    5. Right Intent. You have to come to this from your firmly implanted Mental Point of Origin. You have to do this because this is what you truly desire at the deepest level.

    That should be a good enough start.

    [–]lonewolfsigma8917 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Can you please elaborate on that sir ? I am a new to the red-pill community, i never heard about this, please could you tell me how its done ??

    [–]j_arbuckle2012 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    1. Don't beg.

    2. Sidebar. Read. Now.

    [–]humanoid12345 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This is good material. Spot on, and well expressed.

    [–]Shankar_ 1 point2 points  (15 children)

    This is a really great post to help me understand so so much thank you so much for this

    [–]Hoodwink 9 points10 points  (13 children)

    In some feminist lit, there's actually some ideas that are useful in understanding whats going on. Somewhere along the line you have conclusions that say women are oppressed by their own sexuality (they'll hide it by blaming men and patriarchy, but if you actually dissolve the academic garbage, you'll get the main idea).

    And there's some other ideas like masculinity is performative (not only in life, but sex). And other nuances in some other literature. While feminity is reactive (and that's evil and oppressive and instilled by men and the patriarchy).

    Of course, it's filled with absolute garbage and academic dumpster fires of elitist wordage.

    But, every once in awhile, you get a peak under the curtain with their own sexuality because they'll often assume men have their sexuality - but are secretly hiding it.

    I believe we can tap into a women's submissive nature, but it's nowhere near as strong and encompassing in the body and mind as women.

    [–]spistruth 3 points4 points  (12 children)

    Can you directly explain women's sexuality? I read your last two comments but your english is a little too advanced for me.

    [–]Hoodwink 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    The TL:DR is that men are turned on by sight. Women are turned on in their head. The way to their head is to make them realize they want to be a worthy sexual object. This can take a lot of different routes that aren't focused on the gender of the partner at all.

    A women's sexuality is very different than a straight man's sexuality. It's not a mirror image. It's a separate system that's narcissistically focused on a women thinking about herself as a worthy sexual object for her partner. It's 'reactive' rather than chasing and choosing physical criteria.

    [–]Theinternetroll 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    I know it's a different point you're making.. But the last part made me think of my situation.

    I ended up in an LTR with a girl...... I know. I know.

    Anyway, this girl is my exact physical 'type'... exactly what I look for, so much that my friends and family make jokes about it.

    Physically I'm the exact opposite of anything she's ever dated. I'm a white 5'9 190lb nightclub bouncer. Her boyfriends have all been tall black dudes..

    I cold approached her and we started dating. I chose and chased, she reacted.

    She says she doesn't have a type (okay nicki Minaj) but with me having such a specific type it's hard for me to work it out in my head.

    Can girls really not have a physical type at all?

    [–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    What's the story she's telling herself? Perhaps, it's different than what she's telling you.

    E.g. she might not be telling you that she realizes that tall black dudes aren't going to be the best father's or that she wants white babies. Or she realizes that she was being mistreated all the time is now looking to change it. Whatever it is, the only thing you can do is work on yourself and see if she if she is responding. Sometimes, communicating that you're putting effort somewhere is necessary, but it's all about what she is responding to and reading into her responses somewhat.

    She might be making a purely cognitive decision to be with you, if you're okay with that.

    [–]Theinternetroll 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    They ended up cheating on her. Shes only 22, these were all before she was 20.

    Every time I see her she fucks or blows me until my dick stops working, so nothing is lacking there, but it still seems weird.

    In my socioeconomic & dating circles, I've never been the guy a girl dated for his father/provider potential. It's like the exact AF/BB dynamic except this time I'm the BB... with no money.

    [–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    She might be betting on your future because of your personality is good and you show a good head.

    Or not. I don't know. When you move into the abstract into the real, you need to decide what is actually happening.

    [–]Hoodwink 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Feminists assume mens sexuality is focused on power and dominance of the female because their own sexuality is focused on the power and dominance of their partner and their own headspace is self-focused on their own submissiveness/allure/degradation. Feminists ideas about men's sexuality that I've often encountered is just plain wrong because it assumes that the sexuality of men and women are just complimentary opposites.

    I think mens sexuality is mostly focused on sight, infatuation (short-term idealization), and the ability of the partner to reciprocate and appreciate (external submission). There is not an inner narcissistic headspace where men get off on their own dominance on their partner (or rather it isn't common). There isn't a narcissistic headspace where we have to 'dominate' to get off and consider our partner is or isn't good because we offload the responsibility to her. Almost everything is external in our sexuality. It isn't a mind game.

    I think we both have a tiny bit of each other's sexuality, but you probably have to take hormones to experience it more fully. Some feminists think men are just women who get off on dominating and pure violence.

    Thus, being 'straight' for a man is not the same thing at all for a 'straight' women because they are essentially two different systems. And the women's system is less focused on actual gender, but on the story of their submission and her own narcissistic allure. It's self-focused on her own allure - a 'reactive' sexuality.

    The 'reactive' sexuality means that gender, looks, and other things aren't quite as important. And it allows for certain ideas to flourish like 'gender fluidity' (changing gender day to day) and thinking that 'political lesbianism' isn't a creepy/rapey way for lesbians to try trick straight women into having sex with them.

    [–]zeitgirl_ 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    here isn't a narcissistic headspace where we have to 'dominate' to get off and consider our partner is or isn't good because we offload the responsibility to her.

    I hope this doesn't come across as a snarky tone; I'm genuinely interested in your comment.

    I agree that feminists project dominance/power that they experience sexually onto men, however it does seem that men are also attracted to such a dynamic. How do you explain that in all cases, men extremely prefer submissive women and are absolutely repulsed by assertive (more "dominant") women? I think unconsciously, we all want to feel our own sex: men want to feel masculine, women want to feel feminine.

    [–]Hoodwink 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I think the problem 'assertive women' is that they aren't policed and grow up as men, so they have a different set of behaviors and limits than men that they cross regular so a lot of assertive women do things too early or aren't polite enough in the beginning.

    You've heard about the 'pussy pass' when it comes to crime (women get shorter sentences and often can get away with crimes). There is a similar dynamic with almost all social interactions. So, you've got a lot of 'assertive' women not getting proper feedback as a man would. Or proper boundaries placed on more proper behavior governing limits and responsibilities when they're leaders/bosses.

    Now, you can look at all the asshole men, and be like 'look at them' and you would be doing exactly the wrong thing that women usually do with the assholes.

    It's like the difference between James Gunn and Trump - there are large difference between the two when it comes to speech that crosses the line. But it's the way and intent it's used - and the feelings underlying it. It seems a large portion portion of the population truly can't tell the difference between the two and there seems to be a gendered line with many more women willing to throw Gunn under the bus. But, even as he 'crosses the line' he never uses his speech to actively try to harm or attack or someone, he remains good-natured throughout.

    Women seem to believe assertiveness as more Trump like - bull-dozing social barriers while waiving their middle-finger at them. Amd then, reflexively being and making emotional decisions that seem out of place (and fake at a distance).

    My main point is that assertive women don't act like assertive men because they don't get the same social feedback and repurcussions. it

    [–]zeitgirl_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    It's difficult to understand exactly what you mean without direct examples but I can only say: of course women "assertiveness" is going to look different to men's "assertiveness". Wouldn't you agree that the problem is with either gender believing their way is the right and only way?

    There was that study that showed assertiveness coming from a man = respect and exactly the same coming from a woman = bitch. Are you open to the "bull-dozing social barriers" that you see in women being a result of inherent bias?

    You argue that women don't get feedback in the same way that men do. Have you given a woman such feedback before?

    Regardless, this doesn't really answer my question; it seems that men are equally attracted to the same power dynamic that women are.

    [–]Hoodwink 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I'm not sure I believe in inherent bias in the same way you do. I believe in a set of universal behavoir that's wise and good - while 'assertive' can be a tool in the toolbox, it needs several attachments and needs to be the right size. It's not gendered.

    Womens' assertiveness that I have seen has never been calibrated properly to the situation or person. It's like a girl wearing some super sexy club dress to family picnic.

    Giving a boss feedback on their supposed assertiveness and to tone down the girl power is not a good idea. Especially since one of the main faults of such a person is a very strong ego attachment to their behavior so that any criticism is an attack.

    In general, the way I go about improving the situation is a passive-aggressive complaint about the behavior of a different person in front of them or within an ear shot. It's the best way for people with uncontrolled egos.

    [–]lonewolfsigma8917 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    Got it bro ? That is why womwn behave so strange around men

    [–]klol246 11 points12 points  (10 children)

    Why you act like you wouldn’t bone some man for the right price

    [–]beginner_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Because I couldn't. It's simply utterly disgusting to me. Would you do 2 men 1 cup for any amount of money?

    [–]victor_knight 3 points4 points  (7 children)

    For one thing, I don't need the money that badly (and I don't care to buy a yacht).

    [–]Litsandwitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ayyyyyyye but who Who isn't, am I right babyyyyyy?

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    [–]csfraziel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Right? This is such a neck-beard post.

    [–]Jbonn 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    This is not about being un-intimate, it's about being a man that is still desirable by other women. Staying in shape, maintaining interest in things you're passionate about, avoiding stagnation in life due to comfortability, essentially living your life without giving it all to one person and maintaining your ability to move away from someone without feeling like you're leaving everything you live for behind.

    Honestly it works best for both parties involved, because both sides are getting something desirable. Being wanted by a woman is an amazing feeling for a man. Having a man that is desirable is an amazing feeling for a woman.

    [–]tulipiscute 18 points19 points  (2 children)

    I guess that’s kind of what he gets to at the bottom of the post & what I entirely agree with. It’s completely fair to both men and women to not desire someone who doesn’t present their best selves. Desirability is a factor and shouldn’t be given up on just because of the guilt & pressure of exclusivity.

    But making sex a power dynamic ploy? That shits weird. It shouldn’t be a power exchange (i mean unless that’s your kink), it should be a mutual experience. Using it as a tactic to manipulate someone will never produce a healthy relationship. If it does need to be used to keep the rate of sexual encounters “satisfactory”, then that’s probably not a good relationship to begin with.

    [–]Jbonn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I agree, I don't think you should look at this as a power ploy. However I think describing it this way makes the overall concept easier to understand, for people who have had little, or at least, upsetting success at relationships.

    TRP for me, starts out very blunt, but as you begin to understand a lot of it starts to blend and becomes less intense.

    May just be my experience, but I know there is at least some truth to a lot of what you see here.

    [–]a_crapybara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think a lot of the answers to the confusion you have are in the sidebar. OP's post assumes you are familiar with some of the concepts already, which is what I think is causing the problem for some readers.

    [–]spistruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    comfortability

    you can use the word comfort. very nice comment by the way.

    [–]broneilbro 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    This is the truth. The last years have been borderline DB. I can not fault her as I was BP as she was withdrawing from me. I became what she didn’t want but due to that false idea of “love for who you are” it allowed me to get complacent and she wondered.

    Now, months ago she mentioned she wanted to separate. She had found herself and was happy and didn’t want anything to take her down. I was on deployment so it made it easy for her. She bought her own house and has moved out. She is so excited regardless of how anybody else is affected especially our daughter. She thinks she had planned it out and “trickle feeding me” with a “trial separation” and wants us to date again. In her mind she can’t do wrong.

    Well, life is about to get rude for her. I found RP (specifically MRP) a year ago right before deployment. It was a blessing in disguise. I have a new vigor and I’m in the best shape of my life at 33. I lift more than I thought I would ever. My mind is focused and the nice guy is dead (nice vs. kind). I have my MAP and I know look at myself on the pedestal vs them. I have had girls come up to me and give me their numbers and one chased me out of the bar to give me theirs. I walk with a borderline confidence cocky attitude as I am now coming first. It is a great and inspiring feeling to put yourself first.

    My wife has since changed her tune. Her boyfriend probably broke up with her. She is wanting me back and yet this is the same girl who months ago couldn’t stand talking to me. The shift of power from her to me is deafening but staying humble while acknowledging the blunt truth is the key to success with RP. It has been bitter but it has and still is a ride.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Good on you for improving you. That has to he the focus.

    [–]moreinhoe 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    This post reflects my recent experience quite well.

    I used to "date" a girl who thought we were heading towards an LTR. She had neurotic passive aggressive behaviour, especially if I did not spend enough time with her, or if our dates were boring. I dumped her.

    Two weeks later, I plated her and she knows I see other people too. Her attitude has improved exponentially. No more passive aggressiveness. Just a ceaseless desire to not scare me off, based on my observation. Despite my lack of commitment, we are more intimate than ever, as we bond emotionally. It's mostly her telling me how jealous she is about my other plates, but that she's happy with me anyways.

    She's actually said she prefers our relationship now than how it used to be, this just blew my mind.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I have no trouble believing this. Because:

    I am trying to bring my LTR round to opening the relationship.

    There was a time when she lived and worked 1.5 hours from me. As such we only saw one another (most) weekends. And we had an undhabout weekday...well, plates, to use our parlance.

    And we were passionate. On fire. Despite being nearly 30. Weekends were hot sex, fun ventures in Philly or quiet weekends near central PA (her area). We talked, and cherished our time together...and sex was amazing, not the least of which reason, was that we had incentive for keeping one another interested.

    I want to go back to that. I'm quietly, carefully working to slowly gain the interest of two plates. One I know is there. Another is close. But I'm keeping it very cool for now. However, I think that's where this needs to go, as without competition she gets too complacent and disinterested.

    [–]deeselecter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Be careful though never let ur guard down . Women never supplicate unless they getting something of value from u the moment she us done. Its over . Well every living been does that the problem is with women there is emotions , chemicals involved

    [–]DrankOfSmell 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    The late, great Patrice O’Neal used to say “never give up your boat for a fish you’ve caught”

    [–]omega_dawg93 18 points19 points  (4 children)

    abundance mentality. learn it. embrace it.

    if you have an abundant supply of female love around you, i'm sure every man here knows it will eat-away at your time.

    but here's the deal: you don't really NEED to have an abundant source of (real) women. all you need to do is master the art of making her think you have an abundant supply... by being unavailable at times, sending late night texts/calls, and not answering her calls/texts immediately.

    just be patient enough to let her start thinking you have other stuff going on as most women have zero patience.

    [–]2littleblacktruck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Dread Game, my dude. It'll turn a dyed haired Bernie feminist into Laura Petrie.

    [–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Basic "make it till you make it."

    Worked wonders for me.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    For women in any sort of relationship with a man, sex is about power

    This is not a universal truth, but it is indeed very strongly correlated with beta dating (ie not being hot and paying) and exclusive relationships.

    woman who remains eternally concerned that you have ready access to other sources of sex, however, must compete for your time and attention. She must EARN you.

    Right. It's been my universal experience that women negotiate exclusivity simultaneously with restriction of sexual access. Certainly they come very closely paired together.

    But if you have non-exclusivity, sex stays as an expression of mutual enjoyment and satisfaction. It stops being a game of power and control for her because she knows you have other options. This means she's free to either selfishly enjoy sex for its own sake, or use her efforts to try and maintain your interest. The common theme in both cases is that you'll actually be having sex, unlike "make him wait" dating and "not tonight dear" marriage.

    [–]zyqkvx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'd argue women get power from not having sex and men escape emasculation and an identity of inadequacy when they have sex. In a healthy active sex life the women is removed from the pedestal where she bears a cattle whip, and the man is free from a shameful doghouse dwelling.

    [–]mocro18 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Does the same thing not apply to females? If a female shows that she can still attract desirable males, have her own life, and potentially leave at any time, wouldn’t this give her the power? Wouldnt the male get competitive? (Idk this is why I’m asking. I’m a F). The male would need to prove his sexual power, which is essentially what the male would be doing anyways when you say you need to be desirable to other women by staying in shape and getting hobbies. It’s a cycle. This post is saying that females get dependent and docile and use sex as a manipulative tool. But males get docile and complacent as well which sure doesn’t make the female want it either. So both need to maintain their independence and other-person desirability?

    So essentially this post is saying that both partners need to be independent human beings from each other to have healthy, sexual relationships. Or that monogamy is a lie. Why does it have to be a competition? Why can’t you stay independent from each other without competition? Would this not turn into just competitive/dominant sex all the time? What if both partners are like this?

    Also why does the male have the power to give all the time? I’m a very sexual female in a LTR and my partner refuses a lot. He has the power to refuse me which makes me want him even more at times. Men don’t always need to give either.

    ~reflective thoughts on this post. Hopefully not judge mental or critical just thoughts and questions I had and would love a discussion. also new to this thread. Want to learn more about this perspective.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    For the most part, the best path to a healthy sex life, is to avoid an LTR. At least for men. Honestly, your guy has it right: give her just enough of you to keep her pursuing more. Because once she gets more than that, things start to decline.

    [–]cafeitalia 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    There is something really wrong when men talk about women as if they are women. Seeing comments like "it is true, women don't have sex for intimacy" or "oh yes it is right, women only crave sex for xyz" etc. Are you a women that you make statements as if they are certainty? You are a men. The important thing is only IDGAF! That is it! The more you give a fuck about women, and their intimacy or their power or their reason to have sex etc you already are losing. Do it for yourself not for her!

    [–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    True. Sex is not intimacy. Women like intimacy with their sex, but they also like intimacy just on its own. Sometimes intimacy leads to sex, sometimes it doesn't. Intimacy in a relationship is an opportunity for a woman to feel close and feel safe. Intimacy builds trust.

    Sex is power for men, not for women, unless you have the shit luck to be with a manipulative bitch.

    For women, sex is validation. It validates that they are attractive and wanted. Why do you think women love to hear that they're pretty? If you want more sex in a LTR or a marriage, you need to maintain your alpha male frame or whatever ya'll are calling it here. Do something manly, say she's pretty, grab her ass, and head to the bedroom. It's really that simple.

    Now, for your strategy.

    If you're with an emotionally insecure girl who is hopelessly attached to you, your strategy might work here. The thing is, I've dated girls like that and getting sex from them is never a problem. They crave it because it's the only time they feel good about themselves.

    For self-respecting and emotionally stable women, that strategy is going to backfire. Remember how intimacy means safety, closeness, and trust? If you sabotage the intimacy in your relationship, all that goes out the window. No sex. She is living in a home with a man she does not trust, that is the farthest from sex you will ever be.

    So, to wrap this up.

    If you're in a relationship and you want it to work, do not fuck around with intimacy. Do not break her trust. If you want more sex, be a man and get it. For most women that's as I described above. Be the alpha male she was attracted to in the first place, be playful, and address that instinctive insecurity: say she looks hot.

    [–]viyacondios 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I agree about the self-respecting and emotionally stable women. My LTR has been upfront about her boundary that she won't share her partner with anyone else, and I respect that. I've admittedly shit tested her about this in the past but in the end the value she brings to my life makes the tradeoff worth it!

    I am upfront about my boundary that I expect my exclusive partner (barring reasonable health concerns) to enthusiastically have whatever kind of sex I want, whenever and however often I want it.

    Earlier in our relationship I was still bluepill and didn't have my boundary established. Regular sex was and always has been hot and enthusiastic but she would refuse certain things I wanted ("eww do I have to swallow every time you cum in my mouth??"). Eventually I became frustrated and told her we were done. She decided that this was a problem that could be solved, so I gave her two months to convince me of that. We've been good ever since.

    She knows I can find someone else if needed. (I don't actually find other people now though because I've got other life goals to pursue. I just know I can.) And she knows that even one refusal from her will be calmly taken by me to mean that she's opening up or ending our relationship.

    Keep in mind that every woman is going to have some things she really enjoys with you, and some she just (what I'll term) enthusiasticly tolerates. The former is evidence of her true attraction to you, the latter what maintains the balance of sexual power in the relationship.

    EDIT: I think I'm coming off full autistic in this post. The autistic rule setting is important, but in the end I've found I do exactly what you say. Be the manly man she fell in love with, smack her ass, tease her about how you're going to ravage her (bonus points if she likes pretending as if you're a horndog whose attention and attraction to her is a nuisance, all the while she's actually eating it up; this attention is very validating for a woman), and carry her to the bedroom.

    [–]Pastelitomaracucho[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I have to go with nah.

    For many women, sex is about intimacy, for others, is more about validation, for others, mindless fun, for others, power.

    Now, if you are a thirsty beta that is willing to humiliate himself for sex, then manipulating women will use it as a bargaining chip. You can flip genders and this situation still holds.

    So the lesson, rather than reducing sex to a power struggle while putting all women into one sack in this particular case, is to 1) never lose your frame for sex, there's enough out there and both you and your woman must know this 2) learn to early identify manipulative women and just eject if you find one 3) try not to use sex as a bargaining chip and become the manipulating cunt you don't want women to be.

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    [–]casemodz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    It's spot on once a woman loses respect and tries to make you her beta bitch. You probably won't admit it or aren't attractive enough to have orbiters.

    [–]Dreamylantern -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

    Yep, that must be it! You know evetything about me, darn it!!

    [–]casemodz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    It's not hard when the behavior of an entire gender is typical.

    [–]Dreamylantern -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    I'm glad you know everything about everything, good for you buddy

    [–]casemodz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks it's not easy being a genius with 235 IQ. I get brain fever quite often.

    [–]fuggetboutit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    if I've read this 4 months ago, holy shit.

    [–]yenvalmar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Its especially funny to just straight up deny sex to women who are asking for it. They turn friggin purple and steam comes out of their ears. They cannot BeLeIvE aNyOnE WoUlD HaVe ThE AuDaCiTy.

    Of course I only recommend doing that if you really don't want to have sex with them, otherwise you may be cutting off your nose to spite your face as the old saying goes, as it is pretty much going to make it so you can't have sex with them permanently. Women like to play games but there is such a thing as playing too rough.

    In my case it's been because I have discovered some serious show stopping red flags about them over the course of a date (have kids, have an std, have shitty tattoos or piercings that werent in their profile picture, are just batshit crazy), of course ironically those women throw themselves at me but well... red pill fellas.

    [–]ac_AgenCy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    So eloquent, and sums things up so well. Thank-you.

    [–]fantumn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I can't tell if this is satire, and that bothers me.

    [–]shownothirstyo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    While I agree with most of your post, specifically the last paragraph, I sense a lot of anger phase here.

    Abundance always, that's the law of the land, but actual abundance trumps imitation abundance any day of the week. Follow TRP and you won't even need to think about things like this, it will ooze out of you like the Chlamydia you caught at 25.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    This is fair.

    I came to TRP late. And already in an LTR. And while that LTR has regained some of its past luster thanks to TRP principles, there's a way to go, yet...or possibly not, as I am no longer certain this has a future.

    Right now, I'm working on me. I'm finishing up a degree, and having been cleared by my doctor following a shoulder sprain, back to working out.

    Self improvement is the focus for now. Once the degree is completed I will evaluate further. But while that's in progress it has to be the focus, as my career depends on it to a large extent.

    But i do agree. Especially for younger men. Get fit. Get smart. Focus on You. Make women purely a byproduct of your life. I did this as a younger man, had a blast...and now wish I'd just stuck with that lifestyle, instead of buying into the myth that "mature" grown ups settle into "real, meaningful" relationships.

    Dont fall for it.

    [–]xenigala 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You sound really unhappy in this relationship. Just get out now.

    [–]HierEncore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    sounds like either way, it's a really shitty relationship with a shitty person and you should gtfo of it.

    [–]P91XXX 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    Alright not trying to be a dick, but what part of culture does this even apply to? I've never messed around where sex felt transactional. Is this limited to LTR space?

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    It's mainly an LTR thing, I believe. Women withhold sex, doling it out as a sparse reward in exchange for preferred behavior. Its basic Pavlov.

    But it only works in an LTR, as they cannot afford to withhold in open relationships/plate spinning, since they will "lose" to competition.

    [–]tomcat_crk 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    I mean you could just date someone who isn't actually insane and playing mind games with you and using sex as a bargaining chip. I'd dump any chick that was trying that. I dont think its inherent to LTR because I'm in one that is the complete opposite of what you describe. This isn't some universal truth and I dont think you should twist it that way.

    [–]spistruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I believe it. Women are by nature very insecure, and this sounds just like the thing they would apply to keep a leash on their man.

    [–]P91XXX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Weird. I must only go out with Nicegirls.

    [–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    "You must never let [a woman] believe that you cannot acquire ready sources of sex beyond her. Not. Ever. This is basic Red Pill truth."

    I concur and approve this message.

    [–]dreamlike17 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Wow you idiots are still at it

    [–]AlphaAndy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You warn against sex becoming transactional yet you also warn to never enter a monogamous relationship? To never get close to someone? To never depend on someone?

    If you feel your love life with your partner has become stale just tell them you fucking moron. Maybe if you got your head out your ass and actually communicated with your partner so both your needs could be fulfilled she would want to have sex with you more.

    Fucking Americans man...

    [–]dankmemem88 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    despite the tragically awful audiobook version

    What's wrong with the audiobook version?

    [–]absolutepaul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds like a lot of people here have really terrible sex...

    [–]profpoo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Who hurt all of you people?

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Plenty of people, probably. Certainly, in my case.

    Doesnt make our info any less true.

    [–]BobbyPeru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You must never let her believe that you cannot acquire ready sources of sex beyond her. Not. Ever.

    Yes, this feeling that you are attractive and can have options is called “dread.” Your woman should always feel a certain amount of dread. She won’t admit it, but knowing you have other options gets her panties wet. We develop passive dread by dressing better, building frame, lifting, gaming... etc.

    As such, she will give eagerly and without hesitation

    After 10 years of marriage, my wife is aleays DTF because I have implemented TRP principles

    [–]pieredforlife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It’s totally an art by making women think you have abundant supply of sex, if she’s level headed she might leave you, perhaps she’s after monogamy

    [–]wolti93x 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In other words.

    Be attractive.

    Don‘t be unattractive.

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    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    All women arent as different as the like yo claim. Neither are men, for that.

    Trends, tendencies, common desires and methods...they exist.

    [–]JohnIan101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is an insight borne partly of time spent with Rolo Tamassi's rather Excellent book, The Rational Male (despite the tragically awful audiobook version).

    'The Rational Male; read by Rachel Maddow'.

    [–]Rhynovirus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Shit like this is killing the sub.

    Not the fact it was posted but the fact it got 170 votes.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Why is this so bad? We are discussing RP theory and observation.

    [–]1LowCreddit -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    Women desperately want intimacy. It is paramount to their safety. They just don't see sex as intimacy. Women don't value sex. It is just a tool they use to try to extract intimacy from a man. They do this at an instinctual level. This is why they give less sex over time. The amount of sex she will give is always inversely proportional to the amount of free intimacy she receives. Never give a woman intimacy without making her pay sex for it.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Sadly, there is a lot of truth to this statement.

    I mean, there is a lot of truth to many of the statements here. But that women in long term relationships see sex as almost purely transactional, on an instinctual level, is the absolute truth. A lot of them may or may not even realize they do this...but they do.

    [–]EqualResponsibility -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    This seems pretty easy to fix.. stop allowing the desire for sex to control you. It removes all power from her.

    [–]PlatosMisanthrope -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    This is a full standard farther than I'd go with my analysis: who cares why women do what they do? I'm focused on making cash and being happy. I've never needed some asshole playing games or otherwise rocking the boat.

    [–]Embershift -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Just another incel. I sincerely pity you.

    [–]omega_dawg93 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    ok fellas... let's not forget that women also use sex to attain attention.

    in my younger days, i chased sluts... only wanted bad girls because i didn't have the time, energy, or desire to be in a relationship.

    most of those girls overtly told me that they liked fucking around because it gave them both attention and made them 'popular' or desired.

    women don't care if it's a bj, vaginal, or anal sex. some times, they just want the ATTENTION that comes along with having sex.

    [–]rabblerouser81 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Mentally ill? Small d*ck? Soulless? Spiritually depraved? Abysmally insecure? Victim looking for a victimizer? All of the above? I am sad 4 u.

    [–]AVeryShabbosGoy -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

    Man this crap is so defeatist. Don’t date one women until my thirties? I want kids and a family dude. I’m politically redpilled, and I think the modern childless women is the problem. Pre 1960s women were great and infidelity was low. It’s our modern culture that has screwed everything up. Girl I’m with now wants kids and a traditional life. Find you one they exist

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Never said dont date. I said don't date EXCLUSIVELY.

    And if you want the burdensome liability of children have at. I dont, and never did.

    [–]johnjohn909090 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Hahaha Holy shit. No wonder you havent got a girlfriend

    [–]NorthEasternNomad[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Oh, I have one...rather unfortunately for the most part.

    [–]uwey -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    I am learning the new way to make LTR works. Because I want a kid and a family.

    Build your own, and travel along. That simple. Refuse to give her sex, as man, refuse her sex is very powerful. I would rather go Europe and have fun.

    Just make sure she have much more to lose than you. Because ultimately, divorce rape is real. Your frame has to be well polished and battle tested, because you going to need it.

    Don’t get married until you are around 35-40.....I have fun, so should you. And don’t married old women, let them die so your kid can go school that young teacher teach, give it another 30 year, all old liberals cat lady will die, the end.

    [–]ToaKarn -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Have you heard of the tale of Arguing with Holes?