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Younger guys (< 30) of TRP, what troubles you or worries you most about getting older? Older guys of TRP, what do you have to say about those troubles and worries? (self.asktrp)

submitted by haton2

This is how we are going to do it.

All guys on TRP younger than 30 are going to mention what troubles them the most about the future or worries them the most about life as they get older.

Older guys will come in and comment on this troubles and worries.


[–]ThisTension 58 points59 points  (1 child)

46 checking in. Be you. Stay in shape. Lift. AWALT. Life gets better as you get older if you have a good career. Focus on you. The women will fall into your life.

As the line in DC Cab goes.. Don't let your dick run your life.

[–]_LoneWolf37 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha I love this, nice πŸ‘πŸΌ

[–]Cunt_Robber 17 points18 points  (34 children)

Brilliant ask OP.

I'm late 20s and still in school for my profession of choice. It's a long road. Anyway, Im apprehensive about my 30s in that I'll be very busy professionally and I'm afraid I will have to settle for a girl eventually because of lack of time and female demand to "take it slow" or ASD crap making it impossible to do ONS and plates/hookups.

I live in the US and while it would be nice to keep gaming girls 18-26, I'm afraid the older I get from that category, the more I'll be perceived as a pedophile or creep if I pursue them. I could try to set up my life in such a way as to come in contact with girls and have chances to fuck them (something like Dan Bilzerian?) but that would involve a career change and a professional network change which seems unrealistic to attempt.

I plan to continue working out and pursuing success personally and professionally, as well as approaching whenever in a suitable environment, but otherwise I anticipate my margin of opportunity will gradually shrink as I approach 40-45.

My question: how have you older men set up your life to allow you to keep gaming girls across the age spectrum? Im planning to train as a physician and Im afraid I wont have time to invest that a man with a regular 9-5 M-F job might have. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (18 children)

I'm afraid the older I get from that category, the more I'll be perceived as a pedophile or creep if I pursue them.

If it helps, I fucked more teenagers from 27 to my early 30s than I did from 15 to 27.

[–]Cunt_Robber 2 points3 points  (14 children)

I envision myself having a solid SMV in terms of looks, financial security, and even some game (i have plenty of experience from my early 20s beta days to my mid-20s where I started putting RP theory into practice). Now I am actually focused on me, but it seems Ive been kinda monk moding it for a bit (with 2 plates I see occasionally) and I anticipate rebuilding my social life will be a very steep uphill journey.

Can you elaborate on how you managed that? What aspects of your life made it possible, combined with what kind of SMV, what kind of situations/events were you pulling these girls from?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (13 children)

What aspects of your life made it possible, combined with what kind of SMV, what kind of situations/events were you pulling these girls from?

I just started approaching and worked on myself. The grocery store, pumping gas, the mall, whatever. Dudes in their teens and early 20s are at such a disadvantage that it's unfair.

[–]Cunt_Robber 2 points3 points  (12 children)

Thats what i assume ill have to do. Level of SMV will be critical for not seeming a creep. What do you mean those dudes are at a disadvantage? Low smv? Inexperience?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (11 children)

All else being equal, your SMV will be higher in your early 30s than early 20s. Side note: It's the opposite for women.

Look up Rollo's SMV chart and the related posts for a more in-depth treatment of the theory, but the above is what it mostly boils down to.

Edit: FINAL EXAM – NAVIGATING THE SMP is the name of the main post about it. Search that on Google, and the top option will be the post. Not sure if we can include direct links to outside sites here or I'd link you.

[–]Cunt_Robber 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Yup Im familiar with that smv chart and with how women lose value as they age through their 20s while men's goes up. Yet it still doesnt pacify this apprehension that I will be too far removed from the environment and mentality occupied by 18-24yo girls to be able to game and pull without seeming like a creep. I'll check that link out though, thanks man for taking the time to provide some guidance for us younger Chaddies

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Yet it still doesnt pacify this apprehension that I will be too far removed from the environment and mentality occupied by 18-24yo girls to be able to game and pull without seeming like a creep.

Alright man let me simplify it for you because I think you've got some anxiety over not knowing what the landscape will be like.

Let's say you have a pretty good SMV, doesn't have to be perfect, and you're in the proximity of a 19-year-old decent-looking piece of ass. She's going to be attracted to you over your SMV, with all else being equal, just because you're in the proximity. You don't really have to do anything special other than exist for the attraction to happen, and then it's up to you to talk to her, and that's where the game/applied charisma thing comes in. You don't have to be perfect at your SMV or your game, just competent.

[–]Cunt_Robber 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I do have that anxiety, spot on man. So say I maintain my SMV (i plan to continue lifting), get into a career, and also maintain some level of game/charisma in social interactions. Without busting PUA lines (can be weird/cliche/unoriginal) or playing up my resources (beta bux strategy), do i simply escalate to a number or date? And if so, wouldnt it be weird for the girl when someone twice her age is doing this (sure, she could feel validated given the attention)? My anxiety comes from me perceiving that society perceived this interaction as taboo, if that makes sense. Like im automatically a pedo that I dont settle for a woman my age. it seems the older I get the less access to the early 20s sluts I'll get idk i suppose I have to take your word for it. You and the ECs who've described similar situations. Im not rly scared, just want to see how to best prepare for that future. Thanks for the advice man

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's only creepy if your SMV isn't high enough

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do i simply escalate to a number or date?

Standard game doesn't require PUA lines or much canned material. Light picking on her, build a little rapport, number close, text game, etc., in that order generally.

And if so, wouldnt it be weird for the girl when someone twice her age is doing this (sure, she could feel validated given the attention)?

No it's not weird for the girl whenever someone with a high SMV is flirting with her. You have to remember that her entire existence, on a biological level, is about getting a high-SMV male's dick inside of her. With the caveat that there's a little variance for different aspects of the situation, everything in her being is going to want that.

My anxiety comes from me perceiving that society perceived this interaction as taboo, if that makes sense. Like im automatically a pedo that I dont settle for a woman my age.

Go read NMMNG and then read it again. You're having an internal conflict between what you want and being afraid of being judged over it. I have a recent comment on another thread that's super relevant: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/69pjmf/sex_as_sin/dh9nt6x/

Good luck bro

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    All else being equal, your SMV will be higher in your early 30s than early 20s.

    See further up the chain for the context we're talking inside of:

    All else being equal, your SMV will be higher in your early 30s than early 20s.

    [–]FlexGunship 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Same.

    [–]clueless_af_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    How? If you don't mind me asking.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I put my dick in their vagina.

    Sorry, but I don't understand the question?

    [–]TheBiss 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    My question: how have you older men set up your life to allow you to keep gaming girls across the age spectrum?

    I don't. I keep my age range of relations within 7 years plus or minus of my 45 years. I found the girls younger than 38 or so to be flaky AF, and while they were prettier than the 47-49 year olds I've dated, I couldn't deal with their drama and gold digging, and nexted them. There's a reason cougaring is a thing.

    [–]TheBiss 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    The older gals are better in the sack as well...

    [–]Cunt_Robber 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    I agree about younger girls being more flaky. I kept trying to game college aged girls but many of them flaked and ultimately I gave up and have refocused on increasing my smv (I also cant stand their stupidity but that whole aspect is tangential). Anyway so being 45, where do you get access to these older ladies +/-7 years? Also doesnt the dating pool shrink and get progressively more fucked up the older you go?

    [–]TheBiss 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    In the 30s, yes. I have heard dating in the 30s referred to as trying to find a parking spot at the shopping mall during the Christmas rush. Everything is already taken, handicap, or too far away.

    However in the early 40s, women start going AWALT, having midlife crises, and branch swinging. There is a plethora of good looking, intelligent women on the market in my location here in Raleigh. Downside is, they all have children. I do not date anyone who has children under 10 years old. I also try not to go out with school teachers, counselors, and psychologists. They are bat shit crazy.

    [–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Spoken like a man with some interesting experience. Thats part of my worry too, that girls 18-26 will be too flaky and immature, and that girls 26-40 will be taken or desperate to settle down and have kids. Funny enough, Ive had a kink for older women since college (when I dated a woman 11 years my senior for a few years on and off) and have started totally ignoring the 18-26 age group and finding the 26-40 age group inaccessible due to marriage/family commitment. Again, I dont want to marry or have kids, so Im trying to keep an eye out for myself as I quickly approach this age bracket of mostly taken, family-oriented, approaching-the-wall women.

    Those are solid dealbreakers, might I add. Do you plate/date casually or do you build more of a "relationship" with these women you are pulling? I imagine it's not as easy a lay as say, a college slut...

    [–]TheBiss 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Sounds to me like it's best for you to focus on yourself these years, work on a good career, put some money in the stock market, and go out cougaring.

    It's generally easier IMO to lay the older gals than a college slut. We all seem to have been there, done that, and got the T-shirt. We know what we want, we don't want to put up with a bunch of rigmarole and gameplaying.

    I'm very forthright about it, and tell the women that I'm interested in "just being friendly." I'm not interested in marriage, but if they want to hang out, have a good time, enjoy each other's company, and have some quality physical contact, I'm up for that.

    I have a primary plate right now, and though we laid the groundwork early of just maintaining a friendship, I can see that I'm going to have to reinforce that boundary with her soon. She's starting to get a little clingy. My secondary plate doesn't care. She said, "I don't care about the other women you're fucking. Just don't tell me about them."

    [–]Cunt_Robber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well I can see we have a similar mentality on this. As long as ive got a couple plates available to fuck every other week or so I can function perfectly fine and maintain my independence. That would be the ideal situation, realistically speaking, in living a bachelor's life. I know i wont be a "Dan Bilzerian," and I dont want to put up with all the shit hot girls are entitled to pull on you, so we'll see. Im above average in looks and sexual maturity compared to my male friends thanks to trp so Im set on that (a couple have already married and I anticipate most of them will eventually settle with any girl that hangs around enough to give them oneitis lol). And youre right, Ill be focusing on my career and my fitness. TheBiss thanks so much for your wisdom, and again for OP asking a great question!

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    I'm afraid I will have to settle for a girl eventually because of lack of time and female demand to "take it slow" or ASD crap making it impossible to do ONS and plates/hookups.

    Well you and I are on the same boat.

    My question: how have you older men set up your life to allow you to keep gaming girls across the age spectrum? Im planning to train as a physician and Im afraid I wont have time to invest that a man with a regular 9-5 M-F job might have. Thanks!

    I can give you some insight, become artistic. Paint younger models, film younger models, photograph younger models. I paint

    [–]Cunt_Robber 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    become artistic

    I see your point. Being artistic gets you in touch with your emotional side and girls are into that. Easier said than done for me though, Im pretty bad at drawing and ive painted a couple times but lets just say art or photography arent on my interest radar. I would be interested however to hear how you apply your artistic endeavors to your game

    [–]Throwawaters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Tantra and meditative sex is worth looking into.

    Guiding a woman through a unique powerful magical experience and coming together in a deep surreal experience is, to me personally, the most pure expression of art and emotion.

    It shows you can lead, are unafraid to show your raw self and brings such joy stronger than most drugs I've tried.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    What he said plus my painting gives the excuse to strip down

    [–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I get the point of artistry connecting you to attractive qualities and opportunities but Im honestly not desperate enough to pick up painting just to get laid. Will consider other artistic hobbies though. Appreciate it

    [–]trpadvice 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Good on you for picking the profession of your choice even if in your late 20s. If its a long road, stick it out.

    Cheers!

    [–]Cunt_Robber 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yes it took a while to figure this shit out. I dont blame anyone specifically for this but im hella glad I found TRP. How this place has been run and the top content are simply brilliant. It's easy to swallow, but hard to digest. By the time you proverbially poop it out, it's changed you significantly. I appreciate your encouragement, thanks and awesome username lol

    [–]trpadvice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I agree. Well, congratulations. It can be very hard to change careers and mindsets when everybody seems to have found their stride, being the 20s et al.

    Do you mind going into detail about how you finally made the call? How are you able to come to terms with that fact that you might be in your late 30s before your medical career blossoms? It would be insightful to hear how people handle this, knowing all this education and lifting and career could have been well worked out during out late teens / early 20s?

    No need to respond immediately, perhaps a pm when you have the time. I'm about to make major change and I'm choking on the pressure on a daily basis.

    [–]LiftingW8sGettingD8s 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    I'm 22 and graduate from a business degree next month.

    I'm worried about how boring it might be to grind out a good life. 9-5 drives me nuts, and right now I work but the only thing keeping me going is that I've saved enough to travel at the end of the year... I'm not sure that when I return I'll have the right mentality to start building a life.

    Im concerned about finding and maintaining male friendships. Most of my friends are beta as fuck, and I want to build new friendships, but with graduating soon and being busy with gym, sport etc, it's hard to see myself moving forward with strong social circles (it's something I really need to work on).

    [–]R3v4mp3d 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I'm 27. It looks like you're having a veeeeery small mid-life crisis. Have a chat with yourself and everything will fall into place. After you're done talking to yourself, go to your best friend who has something more than just dirt between his ears and talk to him about exactly the same thing, but both for you and for him: "hey man, this is how my life currently is, this is the direction that I was thinking of taking on but I'm not sure about it. What do you think? How have you solved this thought in your head?" Some older people feel entitled ("Dude! I'm older than you! Ofc I know best!"), so it's best if the main criteria of your chat buddy is intelligence/ wits.

    When I say talking to yourself, I mean: grab a beer/ tea, sit in your favorite couch, put on some dim music (or none at all), and start thinking and/ or writing out all these things. Discuss it with yourself: "I want this. Ok; why do I want it, where will I end up if I pursue it, do I truly desire the outcome, is it worth my time, what must I sacrifice for it, what implications does it bring for me and those I hold dear?" It is a conscious effort that needs to be put in. When most people tell you that they'll think about something, most of the time they'll just mind their own lives until you bring up the subject again and then they'll either give you an answer formulated by their subconscious or one based on their current mood/ emotions.

    [–]aigamithite 26 points27 points  (7 children)

    That my family will die.

    Everyone is else is more or less replaceable. Money can be regained if lost, same goes for physical form and women.

    [–]TheGillos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Nothing can help there. Just treasure the time you have, and never take them for granted.

    [–]ImagineQ 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    Make your own

    [–]aigamithite 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    It is still not the same. A wife will not love you unconditionally like a mother, and a child will never give you the advice a father does.

    [–]SiulaGrande 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    shit bro, my dad gives horrible advice. and he wont listen to mine, either

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      [–]aigamithite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is the healthiest attitude you can have by far. Always be grateful for the time you were given, not sad for the time you could have.

      [–]Louniness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      :(

      [–]1Terminal-Psychosis 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      40+ and it just keeps getting better.

      You've had time to build an empire, learn to deal with manipulation (and how to use it), have an interesting hobby / talent or 3, and have some tricks up your sleeve in bed that the younger guys ain't had time to learn.

      Stay fit and own your shit. Girls in their 20's will still swoon, even more so.

      It's not as simple as popping a pill, though it's an apt metaphor. Growing up into a man is a lifelong process. Keep reading, talking with trusted insiders, and experimenting / examining. The best hunter also hunts himself.

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        [–]1Terminal-Psychosis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No, but a mature adult male with confidence, presence and personality, plus fitness, is like pollen to bees.

        Never a good idea to give out financial details, but ambition and position can show in so many other ways.

        [–]Rudeyyyy 8 points9 points  (4 children)

        19, worried about not being able to get a job in my field when I graduate college and will be in debt and have to live at home with my overprotective parents.

        The job is being a CPA btw but then I want to go and get my CFP eventually....if I get the CPA job first..

        [–]Death_by_Audit 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        I'm only 29 but I have a CPA and work for a Big 4 firm so I can offer you some advice on this. I took a different route to end up here, but as long as you study and do well your first two years of school, it should be easy for you to land an internship at a Big 4. Once you get the internship, as long as you perform well, you're usually invited back for another internship during your senior year. This usually leads to a full-time offer, even if you were to only do 1 internship during your senior year instead of 2 (junior & senior). The only cases where I haven't seen an intern get a full-time is from very low performance.

        You still have plenty of time to determine if this is what you really want to do, but I do know that Big 4 firms are always looking to hire recent college graduates. Just make sure to commit to your studies, pull a decent GPA (3.5+) in your first 2 years, and work on your communication & interviewing skills.

        Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions.

        [–]Rudeyyyy 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Hey thanks man, really appreciate it. My cousin is a CPA in Manhattan and he thinks he might be able to get me in. However It's always good to have options. I'l def PM you. Do you plan on getting your CFP as well or no?

        [–]Death_by_Audit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I hope your cousin is able to get you in. Manhattan is the best city to start in for financial services. I wanted to pursue a CFP back when I graduated but I ended up in IT work so it wouldn't benefit me today. CFP is a big time investment, not as much as the CFA, but the pay off is definitely worth it.

        [–]Rudeyyyy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        My cousin is 31, married, just bought a house with an inground pool in his backyard. He makes between 95-110k a year. That's some good money for only being in the firm for a little while.

        Idk what he majored or minored in but I added on an economics minor and I heard it will help with the job interview as it will separate me from other candidates. It also could depend on what school you go to. He went to Penn State.

        [–]Acquin 7 points8 points  (6 children)

        Gaming, finances and whatnot are absolutely not a problem for me as I'm not full of shit and don't waste much money.

        My one big problem is my inability to learn new shit as I get older. Quite plainly a 7yo will pick up a music instrument or language much better than I can which saddens me.

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          [–]Acquin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          My learning methods are fine. I just can't help but feel if I followed the same stuff but was younger everything would just be quicker.

          [–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          well, of course it would be quicker.

          [–]AwakenedSovereign 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          This is a bit of a science faux. Languages are much easier to learn young because they are literally rewiring your brain and the way it thinks. It's the "language you think in" not the language you speak that makes it harder to learn a new language when you're older.

          A guitar player doesn't walk around thinking about the world in terms of music notes. He does not read a menu at a restaurant in the form of music.

          Other stuff.. instruments.. code.. karate.. you are probably more capable of learning these things and learning them quickly than a child or teen. Because they do not rewire the way you think. They teach you something brand new. Your mature learning experiences, study habits, and awareness of the comprehensive nature of integrating new skills will leave you in a better position now than earlier in life.

          Obviously you must consider the fact that total time practicing the skill will begin at a later date in your life, so reaching that 10,000 hour milestone will be at a later date as well. And the fact that adults have more responsibilities and cannot just sit around for 10 hours a day 7 days a week practicing something "useless" like an instrument. There is also something to be said for the formative emotions that come from developing a skill like an instrument in your childhood & teens and the things it brings into your life during those vital years.

          But all-in-all, do not use your age an excuse to stop learning or not take on new challenges. You are in a better position to learn new skills today than you were at 14. And most importantly, those will be skills that you actually care about, not some bullshit your parents or public school teachers foisted on you.

          [–]Acquin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          True, thanks for the clarity.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          There's a TED talk that suggests 10,000 hour milestone was only meant for beginners training all the way to Olympic heights.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MgBikgcWnY

          [–]Throwawaters 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Seeing my family suffer and become deadbeat losers.

          I'm prerty certain about MY future and health and success, but my close family member are all uneducated, jobless, unhealthy, mentally unstable, handicapped, jailed, in dept, unhappy...

          I try to lead by example and help, but you can only lead a horse to water.

          Coming to terms with all of this is something I am currently struggling with.

          I also want to start my own family and have successful kids and grandkids one day to which I can pass my wisdom and life beliefs but am uncertain about committing to one woman and bringing little me's in a messed up world and time like ours.

          [–]Guy_Gardener 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Don't become an enabler for their bad behavior. Read Boundaries by Henry Cloud and When I Say No I Feel Guilty by Manual J Smith.

          [–]stdrp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          What other people do is not your responsibility. If it worries you that much, you might want to consider moving to a different region so that you're not witnessing their failures in real time every day.

          If your family is as shitty as you say, you would do well to cut ties with them and start over. Have those kids and grandkids and start a new dynasty in a new land. The world is your oyster bro and it's yours to take.

          [–]_LoneWolf37 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          Staying alone for the rest of my life because I'm an introvert.

          Apart from being socially awkward.

          [–]rp_nc 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          being alone is not a curse, especially if you're an introvert. it's not because society tells you you should never be alone, that you shouldn't.

          I assume you're rather new to trp. keep on reading and improving. all that you want is within your power. don't hide your inaction behind the 'i'm an introvert' excuse. you don't like going out as much as extraverts (in your opinion)? too bad. life is not fair. it'll be a little harder on you (or that's what you think). don't complain. accept, work, improve.

          [–]R3v4mp3d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          don't complain. accept, work, improve.

          I'll just +1 your comment. This right here is the best summary of TRP mentality that I've ever seen. Bravo!

          [–]_LoneWolf37 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I agree, I've been subbed for a few months, I have a good idea on TRP, but not in the time to begin implementing red pill truths/strategies into real life yet, I do some occasional reading. I'm just saying that if I don't open up a bit I might never have any friends/a girlfriend, so that's one reason I'm subbed.

          I'm also subbed because as a 16yo I need a source to sort of "educate" myself of my masculinity, in a red pill fashion.

          [–]SiulaGrande 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          bro, im telling you right now, as a 16 year old finding TRP, you will have EVERYTHING if you just read up and GO OUT THERE and PUT IT INTO PRACTICE. everything. you can have it all.

          [–]ilikemychickenfried 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          Male, 24.I am rudderless. Raised almost singlehandedly by my mother, who was busy with three children and my dad was at home but might as well not have been. He worked, came home and went to bed usually. On the weekends he drank and was hungover. Never did anything with me. Has taught me two things in life. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make drink and marry someone interested in lifting and health. Both good pieces of advice, but not much to go on. Everything else I've tried to learn by myself.

          I have been raised by a woman to be what a woman thinks man should be. I have no sense of self or identity or vision. I am the product of male feminization and feminism. I'm changing it bit by bit, but it's in there so deep its hard to even realize sometimes.

          I feel the need to go to college because I've been told it's the most important thing I can do with my life, but can't find anything i really want to do. The thought of spending so much money and picking something to do for the rest of my life without actually knowing what its like in that field is terrifying. So I feel bad for not going to college and scared to try because of crazy debt and fear of picking the wrong degree. My parents aren't wealthy enough to pay for me. So it's either student loan or save the money.

          I feel like one day simply blends into the next. It feels like there isn't much to live for. Started lifting, made some gains. Feels good. Diet has been difficult to nail down, but some success.

          Living with my parents in the US and feel like a bottomfeeder.

          Could have saved and moved out years ago, but was told it'd be better to "save" the money by my mother. Despite never being taught anything about money aside from saving it to buy something. Nothing about money management. I now realize that she just wants to keep me here and isn't thinking about my growth as an adult. That and maybe she's scared to be alone with my father (not for fear of abuse).

          I'm lazy and undisciplined, wasn't taught these values at home. Punishment was a short time out with no real consequences. My mum did her best but had a lot on her plate.

          On top of this I have two very close friends, one being my brother and the other being non blood related. My dilemma is that he's not interested in anything aside from YouTube videos and video games. I've been trying to figure out if we should remain friends because he simply isn't interested in the same stuff I am and the stuff he's interested in is poisonous. Drugs, booze, video games. On tip of this he flirts shamelessly with his friends girlfriends. He slept with one of his buddies girls the second they broke up and is exchanging nudes with one of his friends girlfriends. It makes me wonder if I can trust him

          I'm worried that life will always be like this for me. That I'll always be this lazy, undisciplined slob that'll end up wasting the time he was given by simply floating through life like flotsam in the currents.

          What can I do?

          [–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Sit down and identify careers in demand and pick one you have some aptitude in and go at it. Military might be good for you because it will get you away from your mother. Women will manipulate to claw you back and make you dependent on them again. Best thing I ever did for myself was getting away from my mother and living on my own for a while and feeling the cold sting of life and how little help men have unless we help ourselves. PM me if you'd like some more specific mentoring I have to go to work! Your situation is very similar to mine.

          [–]ilikemychickenfried 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks for responding, I'll pm you. I could really use the help

          [–]OracleofFl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Two words: Marine Corps. (other branches are good too)

          [–]SiulaGrande 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          your friend is absolutely untrustworthy. leave him and find new ones.

          [–]trpbleh123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          27 have only been with 3 girls and I have been trying to improve myself via lifting, grooming, style, career, etc. and I think I've done a great job but I still don't see women falling into my life. I don't really have opportunities to talk to women as my career is male dominant I don't have an active social life.

          Part of me is worried that the women fall into your lap later in life if you're taking care of yourself is a myth sold by TRP and there is always some carrot dangling in front of you. Got fit? Work on your career? Got a good career? Work on your grooming... etc.

          Even if true, how likely is it that you get with girls in their prime (18-23). I can see it being easier to get with older women but it's an exception to see older men with young girls, not the rule. And part of me believes TRP sells it as the rule.

          Obviously I have no experience with being 30+ or even with women, but these are my thought rambles.

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          [–]AwakenedSovereign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The main stopper for fighters is age and injury.

          Save up some investment capital during your career so that when you're no longer able to fight, turn around and open up your own dojo. If you advertise it well and run it professionally, and your years of experience fighting have taught you anything, you will be able to own and operate your own successful small business.

          Depending on how successful it is & how successful you are during your amateur and pro career, maybe a chain. You will be 100% better off on this road than working a 6-figure job in someone else's company. It might start out making less but you'll end up making more if you play your cards right.

          People get rich by working for themselves, not by working for other people. It's also something that you love so provided you don't get tired of it, your work-life satisfaction will be miles higher than the cubicle monkeys.

          [–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Get a job in a physical trade that you can fall back on but that will also leave time for training and will also keep you physically in shape. I.e. landscaping, woodwork, framing work, millwork, etc.

          [–]AUAUA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Start an eBay account. You can always drop packages off on the way to the gym. Maybe because you are into MMA you could specialize in memorabilia or similar niche.

          [–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          49 checking in.

          Here's what you young guys need to know:

          Life After 30: How to Be an Old Guy

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          26 here. My only worry is that I'll be stuck in a crappy job for life earning buttons. I'm quiting my current 1k a month job and going back to college in August to do MechEng. Hopefully it works out!

          [–]rp_nc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          if you haven't yet, check out motivation vs discipline on trp. good luck in college.

          [–]faggotbrains 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          30 here.

          If still in high school and you identify your dad is a Beta, don't take his advice. Don't trust him. Do not let him guide the direction of your life.

          If he kicks you out, good. You will learn how to feed, make rent and fuck. He doesn't know how to anyway.

          [–]TheBiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          45 - Happiness comes from within. If you're expecting someone else to MAKE you happy, you will always be disappointed.

          My 20s were better than my teens. My 30s better than the 20s, and so far the 40s, save my weird weird divorce after 20 years (AWALT), have been the best of all. Looking forward to the 50s.

          I explained it like this to my kids: Life is a river. It's going to take you where it wants to go. One one side of the river is a sandy beach where you can pull off, have a picnic or campfire, rest a bit in the sun. On the other side are rocks, and overhanging limbs with snakes that drop on your head, and it's cloudy and overcast. You ARE going down the river whether you like it or not. Swimming upstream just gets you tired.

          Occasionally you are going to find yourself smashed up on those rocks by the current. You don't HAVE to stay on the rocks though. You can make a conscious choice to swim back over to the sandy beach and rest a bit. It takes some effort but the rewards are far better emotionally than curling up into a ball and continuing to smash against the rocks and getting bitten by snakes in the rain.

          Happiness comes from within.

          PS: For you young incels, you will eventually get laid. Maybe not right now. Maybe not next month, but it will happen. Sex becomes just a part of life, like a nice dinner out. Sure it's fun, but it's not the end all - be all - of existence.

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          [–]acoupleyearsred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Mid 20s and soon to have 175-200k invested. Hoping my desire to not piss my money away leads to great long term gains and wealth

          [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          I'm worried about money... constantly. I could give a shit about girls... I do fine in that department.

          Just realize you're away ahead of the curve here at 25, especially with your dad bailing on you at an early age.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Thanks brother

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hi5 man give it hell

          [–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Don't get married. Go get a useful degree or a vocational associates in a particular trade (HVAC for example) and go to work. Don't increase your living standards when you start working until your loans are paid off. After you've done that then reassess your situation.

          [–]winterequinox007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Younger guy (22) here. I'm worried that my life will amount to nothing, and that life is just a series of endless routines. I'm worried about being mediocre, forgettable, and being just like everyone else.

          [–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Something that's starting to set in at mid 20s is a feeling of a lack of purpose. During my degree I did well and applied myself because, even though it was difficult, I had hope that I'd get a good job and everything will be great.

          I have a job as an engineer at a large company. Cubicle farm in the office. Mostly 9-5 but very flexible on hours. But it is extremely boring, repetitive, and feels like I've got nowhere to go, no chance to move up: I'm surrounded by BP engineers in their 50s who still live paycheck to paycheck paying off mortgages 10x annual salary, or renting. I've lost almost all passion for engineering completely.

          I have a wife and a very young son. But I can't find any passion in anything I do, and no overall goal on the horizon. Hobbies that I used to enjoy seem like a waste of time.

          What do you do to find overall purpose in your life?

          [–]OracleofFl 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Firstly, you may be suffering from depression....look into it. Make sure you are getting your exercise.

          Secondly, understand that young relationship and young kid is super stressful and sleep depriving. That shit can really take its toll on you. Remember Winston Churchill's great quote: When you are going through hell, keep going.

          Thirdly and finally, find things that interest you and pursue them. Engineering is a broad specialty, is there any part of your branch of engineering that is interesting? Can you bridge your career over there? Can you take your engineering background and pivot into marketing and sales at your company? That is where the money is and that is how you will get recognition. Should you start taking MBA classes? Find something to keep you interested!

          [–]mattizie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Thanks mate.

          I think depression may have something to do with it. I'm thinking about seeing a psychiatrist, have a few old family (not new family with wife and son) issues to deal with. It's on me to do what needs to be done.

          Apologies for the bitching.

          [–]Redteen224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Biggest worry is making a comfortable living without becoming a 9-5 wage cuck.

          [–]chubbyjezus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Not being able to bang 18 year olds

          [–]gkeepswinnin 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          As a guy who is in his mid 20s, I feel worried about one thing and that is validation and being haunted by my loser past. Due to abusive parents, I didn't have the confidence, mindset, and circumstances to be one of the cool kids growing up.

          I saw my friends having fun in groups with hot girls, nice social media pics, and just having a blast.

          What I worry about a lot is that as I get older, I won't get that same opportunity for a social life, social fulfillment, or social validation. The whole bullshit "but validation isn't a thing brah, find it in other things brah" garbage doesn't really convince me of anything, it comes from boring older losers I rather not hear from.

          Its like I want that social circle of hot girls, fun friends, parties, and that nice exclusive lifestyle I didn't get in high school or college but I feel like the window of opportunity already closed on that, yet a part of me cannot let go of that hope that there is something out there in life after 30 very similar to it.

          I daydream a lot about this sort of shit, fantasize about it, but then I can't help but wonder if life after is a lonely hell you just sort of learn to deal with.

          To be frank, I want to be that cool high status guy that gets hot girls but I don't even know what that is after 30.

          [–]empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Become part of a music scene. Long as you work on your SMV and confidence you'll have opportunity to have a good social life plus benefits.

          [–]OracleofFl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This. Increase your SMV. Start lifting today. It is basically a guaranteed way to increase SMV and your attractiveness to women.

          [–]Surfincloud9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I was a part of the cool kids but outside of a rare event, I sat at my house shooting and scoring heroin. I missed a lot too.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

          I'm 18.

          I worry that I will end up being a beta bux who can only get post wall chicks in my 30's.

          My worry is fostered from the fact that in the last month I've gotten 4 pulls, for make out sessions, felt their bodies up, but then get denied sex or a 2nd date.

          This makes me feel like I am good looking enough to be enjoyed in the moment for fun, but not hot enough to make them wet for sex.

          And so, I worry I will be stuck in this purgatory until the wall hits and they come crawling back to me.

          So yeah, I hope I can get out of this rut.

          On the bright side, I went from not getting any female attention, to atleast kissing them!

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          This makes me feel like I am good looking enough to be enjoyed in the moment for fun, but not hot enough to make them wet for sex.

          It's probably more the age of the girls. Just keep going, and you'll figure it out. I said similar about another guy, but you're way ahead of the curve if you're getting that at 18.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          thanks

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hi5 man hit it one time for your online bros

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The girls I go after are 18-24. I am 18. Shouldn't they be more open? :V

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The girls I go after are 18-24. I am 18. Shouldn't they be more open? :V

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The girls I go after are 18-24. I am 18. Shouldn't they be more open? :V

          [–]SasquatchMcKraken 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I'm in my early 20s. I plan on getting married eventually on account of wanting kids, and it is going to be a far more daunting challenge than I imagined pre-RP. AWALT was the hardest part of TRP for me to swallow not because of how it affects my relationship with girlfriends/FWB's, but because of what it will mean for my future wife. Other than that, the future looks rosy so far.

          [–]TheBiss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          but because of what it will mean for my future wife.

          It means; you've got a 50/50 chance of getting raked o'er the coals. Flip that coin... Hedge your bets, but know that it's a fools bet.

          I thought I had it made in the shade with my wife of 20 years, and then boom, just like THAT she was gone overnight.

          [–]Irishminer93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          what troubles me? politics. 24 years old.

          [–]serious_bs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          worried about having low smv / handicapped / .. kids.

          [–]cirrusice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          My only fear is to be pressured into marriage/kids typical robot life.

          [–]OracleofFl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Move away from those people in your life pressuring you. Leave! Go to another city.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm 17.

          I'm most worried about settling down in the future and having kids, because I want to yet I don't think I'll ever find me a unicorn, which is expected but a depressing reality.

          Keeping in shape doesn't seem too difficult, but many people say things like they don't have time and they got out of shape as they grew up, I tell myself I won't end up like that but if they did then maybe I will too.

          Right now I'm focusing on my education and soon it'll be my career, but I still haven't found that true happiness. It seems like something that eludes so many people, but I want to find it. I'm only 17, but right now it's the one thing I want more than anything. I only get that feeling when I lift or answer a really difficult question that takes time to think about, i.e. success but I want to chase that all the time. I only get that true happiness briefly, but I want to be like you guys, happy all the time. That's some good shit.

          [–]Mr_Talent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm a few months from being 29.

          What troubles me... man, so much! I just don't want to get older! I wish I could have stoped at 25... that was the sweet spot!

          Things that bother me about getting to my 30s:

          • I have lived 30 fucking years and feel like I accomplished nothing, which isn't right. I have accomplished plenty, more than average, yet it all feels meaningless and I feel I should have accomplished much more.
          • All my "friends" are getting married/having kids. Here I am, single, just out of a 7 years relationship and with no plans to follow that path. Don't get me wrong, I do want to have kids, I must make my lineage continue, but not now. Maybe in 5 or 10 years.
          • My fucking hair is starting to fall. My skin is not as good. My sight is also starting to get problems. Signs of age. I don't like it!
          • I have never hit the gym so hard as I'm doing now yet for the amount of pain I'm constantly feeling, results aren't proportional. I miss being 18 and getting buffed super fast.
          • I have a good job, better than most and yet it's not in the field I love. I'm at a point where I feel I'm still too young to risk everything and pursue what I really love, but at the same time, I feel I will never have this opportunity again as I get older.
          • My dick is not working as before. After 25 it just got lazy. I have a sex-drive as high as ever. Yet, I can only fuck once. Then it goes limp and won't get up for at least 1h. The number of times I had chicks begging for a second round and I couldn't deliver is making me frustrated as hell! I miss the time when I was 18 and could come 4 times with 5 minutes rests in between. On a side note, I was always a big porn consumer. I stopped that shit shortly after discovering TRP. It's been about 3 months now that I haven't watched any porn. Also I reduced the amount of times I masturbate. Before I used to do it at least once per day, sometimes 2 or 3 times. Even when having regular sex. Now I do it around twice per week. I have also been practicing with edging. Not sure, but seems all of this is helping recovering a bit of my "mojo". Still, I can't fuck twice in a row, which sucks and I hate to admit it I have some blue pills for when the situation comes where I may want to go for a 2nd round... but I'm too fucking young to take that shit, or at least I want to believe that.

          In short, I think middle life crisis came for me at the age of 28... except I don't have money to compensate for it by buying a Porsche!

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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          [–]empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Been working in audio my whole life so far. And as an active musician playing in loads of bands. Lost interest around 22 after going for 9 years but still kept it up because it was giving me a social life and I was finally getting a name for myself. Finally got a proper job yesterday in TV doing mindless drone stuff and I'm the most busy I've ever been with audio engineering/producing (and I just couldn't give a fuck). Everyone at my job is a failed creative. All incredible artists in some way but all working some shit job and finding fulfilment outside of work. It's exactly what I read in the gervais principle. It's pretty fucking depressing.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I actually have quite the opposite regret as others.

          I focused TOO much on myself from 18-26, (graduated from comp sci, made very good money doing side ventures, now making very good money working corporate as a dev, and was bodybuilding.

          Now that I'm 27 I feel that I squandered off a lot of missed opportunities as I feel like I'm getting less attractive facially.

          Am I bugging ?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Learn to smile and get a man haircut and you'll be golden.

          You look constipated.

          [–]TheInkerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          My goal is to live and work in the US, and was recently on my way to achieving that goal; studying in the US and about to aggressively start looking for a job to get a visa. I wanted to spend the prime of my life there. Then I had the rug pulled out from under me and was forced to return home to Australia and 'build my life' here. All that work? Worthless. Oh, and I have a year to completely rebuild my life and start my career.

          I'm 25, earliest I'll be able to return the US is in five years if everything goes perfectly. I'm in a course I hate in a town I hate (where I will probably have to work for the next 5 years), through no fault of my own.

          I'm basically gutted, and can't see how I can build the life I want anymore. I have no idea what advice I'm looking for, I just feel like I have no control.

          My field is IR and conflict studies/counter-terrorism.

          [–]cranium123_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          1. I am very unsuccessful with women and it is not getting any better despite lifting, improvement, etc.

          I just feel that it is too late for me and I don't feel any motivation to work hard at all. What am I going to do with all that extra cash? I am happy to live like a student for the rest of my life and don't need much.

          I just feel like different species and not even the gym helps to quell my frustration anymore, in fact, instead of endorphines it is pure rage inside me when I leave the gym. I am tired of women walking past me without looking or just looking away immediately, I am tired of sitting in the library and people avoiding to sit next to me in available seat. I am tired of talking with girls and them clearly showing they don't care what I have to say.

          Men acquire resources to have a family, which was my goal because I grew up in a loving family. And now it is taken away and I surely as hell am not getting younger...not every male ages well. And being loved for your money is absolutely abysmal.

          [–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm so young (21) but still feel like I have a full life worth of regrets. No matter what people say, sometimes it is too late to follow your dreams. Due to some unfortunate circumstances I ended my baseball career. I could have played professional baseball, now I can't. I am just getting a degree in Engineering, but what if I wanted to be a doctor? I would have to take another year to meet the pre-med requirements with money I don't to hope to be able to get into med school.

          Now, I have to go work a job for 40 hours/week that I don't like. I'm going to put basically my entire salary into 401k, Student loans, and bills with just enough left over to afford some food. So now I am going to be a literally slave for a few years while I try to get by doing work I hate. Plus, I am living at home until I have some money saved up to move out, which I don't want to, because after my dad passed away I can't stand what's become of my family. It's me and a bunch of women.

          So ultimately, I will be stuck in a situation I hate for X amount of years until I can finally have a small semblance of freedom, yet still not enough money to do anything big that I actually want to do. Then, by the time I am at a point where I can what is left of my youth?

          [–]PM_ME_UR_RP_T_AWAY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Death. I don't want to die.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Idk man. I'm 28. I'm not too concerned.

          I already know I can (and have already) have a high income job.

          My main concern is trying to figure out what I actually want to do business wise for many years.

          Working on opening a new business with my dad. The business part is fine. The dad part is a bit goofy as he's not in great health so who knows.

          I don't have a ton of stress or concerns to be honest. Shit tends to work out.

          [–]trpadvice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          At 23 and with a useless business degree, I worry most about finding a career. I worry if I will ever have the chance to go back to college, work hard, be patient and make smart moves in my field and live a redpill lifestyle with decent cash, plates, hobbies and intellectual work.

          [–]Coach-Red-Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          OP, that's brilliant.

          I'm 49. Two worries I've noticed from young guys posting here: Dating younger women when they are older without coming across as β€œcreepy”; and financial security.

          Re. financial security, save 25% of your salary without fail, and invest it. Don't play any stock or bond marketβ€”go into businesses that generate an income. Real estate is ideal. But make sure there's a positive cash-flowβ€”don't try for a β€œbig score”, slow and steady wins the race.

          Re. younger women: I date girls between 18 and 25β€”never older than that. And they come flocking to me. Younger women want me not because I'm handsome (I'm not), and not because I'm rich (I'm merely well-off)β€”they want me because I treat them like horses.

          What does that mean? Simple: Horses are naturally skittishβ€”but they relax and are submissive when they sense a firm, confident hand holding the reins.

          The girls I know despise younger guysβ€”because they consider them weak, effeminate, constantly trying to appease them.

          Don't be that guy.

          Hope this helps.

          [–]IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          What is the left's endgame?

          [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

          I'm 18, still a virgin, but my SMV has insane potential. I'm concerned about getting to alpha-tier levels of personality, confidence, focus and frame by age 20, especially since my SMV "demands" these things. I'm also concerned about not "making it big" in life some way in my 20s. I'm afraid of being 30 period, lol.

          But I don't let these things bother me. Instead, I focus on today and being better than yesterday.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          as an 18 year old im curious about your potential, and hope its not thru beta bux

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

          What do you mean?

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          what gives your smv insane potential?

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          My SMV gives ME potential.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          why

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          I am good-looking, masculine-looking, and my voice is deep as fuck. I'm not an alpha internally, but at first glance (after some body language modifications on my part) people treat me like one. Once I start behaving like one fully I'll be swimming in bitches and status.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          i hope you are right

          [–]Throwawaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If he truly believes what he says, he is.

          Self confidence and belief is extremely effective.