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How to deal with aggressive men? (self.asktrp)

submitted by enterim

Yesterday I went back home from an night out. It was 4 a.m. and the railway station was busy because everyone tried to go home.

I noticed 3 arab / turkish men harassing a younger woman who clearly felt unsecure and was in fear. She tried to get away from those guys but they followed her and were really aggressive.

Literally no one had the balls to say something. There was a group of 6 "men" right beside me and they were talking about how it WOULD be the right thing to help her. Everyone noticed, but no one did something.

I went there and told the guys that they should leave if they do not want problems. I do not know but in my experience dogs that bark do not bite, so when stuff like that happens I try to counteract with being aggressive as well. They were older than me, but not as tall and definitely not as strong - but you never know in this town if they have a knife or whatever with them and I was outnumbered as well.

After telling them to leave one of them immediately went rage mode, shouting that he will fuck my mother and beat me up, stuff like that. Obviously drunk / on drugs. I just stood there holding my frame and smirking at him, telling him to just leave. Hoping that he wouldn't do shit :-)

He didn't. They left. One of them came back 5 minutes later and told me that I was insane and that I shouldn't mess with the wrong people, threatening me again and telling me I only had the balls to do it because I seem to be on drugs. I was sober. Still hold frame, not showing any fear.

The girl thanked me later, told me she was scared. A few other guys came up to me and told me they did not have the balls to do something and they thought it was a good act.

However:

  1. Situations like those can quickly backfire. I do not want to get stabbed or whatsoever. On my nights out there are often aggressive drunk dudes and I wonder what is the best way to deal with those guys. Counteract with being aggressive and holding frame? Staying out of their way? What is your way to deal with aggressive men?

  2. If I remember correctly there was a post on trp about how you should NOT help woman in situations like that, because your well being is far more important. But is that really the right thing to do? Do you guys look away at stuff like that? In this situation it was NOT about the woman, I did not care about her at all. I just felt that it was the right thing to do as a man. And that a man should not try to avoid confrontation out of fear. And it was a great way to practice to hold my frame.


[–]kellykebab 101 points102 points  (10 children)

If I remember correctly there was a post on trp about how you should NOT help woman in situations like that, because your well being is far more important.

Your well-being is up to you. If you want to take a risk to protect another person, male or female, that completely your prerogative. And I believe it is a very noble thing to do. Maybe we shouldn't feel obligated to do this, but it is definitely commendable when someone does.

In this situation it was NOT about the woman, I did not care about her at all. I just felt that it was the right thing to do as a man.

Do we really have to construe every act we perform as completely self-serving in order to be "red pilled?" Having neutral feelings on whether or not a woman is attacked or raped or even just harassed is not bad ass. It's not manly. It's not impressive.

The "white knight" stereotype is of the cowardly man who overreacts in a situation where a woman is not actually in any danger. The white knight is often not putting himself in any real danger, but makes a big show of his actions as if he is. The white knight's motivation is really to seek validation for himself and to express his own aggression, not to help others.

What you describe is nothing like the white knight character. I personally believe that men protecting women in appropriate ways and in the right situations and without trying to gain undue attention for themselves is red pill and it is manly. Ultimately, men are the soldiers of the community. And part of that responsibility means defending women from harm. That is a very different responsibility from becoming an emotional tampon or being manipulated by women to serve their every fickle need, a fear which I think influences some of the excessive RP resistance to ever helping women in any way.

So I would say that what you did was definitely risky, but taking risks is red pill and masculine and ultimately you helped another person, which is a good thing to do in my book.

[–]enterim[S] 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Thanks for your extensive reply. I added the paragraph that it was not about her being a woman because I know if I would not have added it, there would be many comments saying it was a white knight thing to do. For me this is not a question of gender or race, but of values and what is right or wrong in my eyes. Appreciate your words - have a great day

[–]bibibabibu 12 points13 points  (2 children)

You have your head on right. It is basic human decency to protect the weak, within reason, regardless of gender.

A lot of TRP guys are still in the hateful phase. Hateful towards society, and towards women in particular. Many never pass this phase, which is truly a pity.

Not every kind act towards a woman is a beta white knight move FFS. It comes down to WHY you are doing such things. If done for the sake of virtue signaling and hoping she's gonna jump into bed with you, yes that is pathetic. If you defend a woman (or any weaker person) because she actually needed it and you could have done so safely, that is just being a good, smart, principled person (or to overuse a term, a real man).

At the end of a day, TRP is a sexual strategy. In cases where sex is off the table, it is often not the only strategy.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah I think there are many different variations on how people define what the red pill is for them. For me it is not a sexual strategy.

For me it is a formula for being a better man and getting woman is one of many results of being a better man. But I guess everyone has his own truths and that's good. This ain't the bible.

[–]bibibabibu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fully agree. That is why in my post I wrote "TRP Principles (as they are commonly understood here"). I know TRP isn't purely a sexual strategy because I read up on a lot of the good literature behind it. Its quite a holistic way of looking at things if you read the TRP reading list of books.

But for many it started out as a sexual strategy and is basically their bible for being the hardcore alpha fucker they always wished they good be, screw society and anyone else besides themselves (basically almost dark triad type thinking). You see it in this this thread and whenever people talk about actively pursuing other peoples spouses or girlfriends. I'm not a fan of that perspective of TRP.

[–]bibibabibu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank god there are still people like you in TRP community with some proper balanced perspective.

There is a difference between being a useless white knight, and just being a freaking proper good person who stands up for the right things.

TRP principles (at least as they seem to be understood by most here) do not apply in every single circumstance. It is concerning when people conflate "being alpha" with "being a self-serving sociopath".

[–]Terra501 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are not two options in the situation. another thing you could’ve done is walk up to them and ask someone for the time or ask for a cigarette, to distract, then try to keep a conversation going so that she can move away while you do so. another option would be to pretend you are injured in order to distract and draw sympathy into the frame. I realize that neither of these portray yourself as the hero but that’s not the point of protecting someone who may be on the verge of being raped. maybe you have some even better ideas but point being there are other alternatives then to walk up Stallone style and confront three strangers who’s pockets you don’t know what is packing.

[–]TheLastMgtow 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well its not like you cry for feminism for 1 century relentlessly, protest for more immigration into your country. Plead for welfare, bigger taxes on men, sexual liberation, etc...etc... and then wonder why your society goes to shit, but then oh well then they cry for whiteknights. I say let them deal with it, they are strong independent women. I wont risk my life for a woman if she is not sucking my dick before, because thats how ridiculous you look when you defend women you dont even know. You have no issue on defending women, you dont even give them time to miss the help of men they take for granted, you have to run in defense for the holy vagina, the thirst is that high.

Women resent desperate men that whiteknight for them, they know what you are doing. Women are attracted to men who are not willing to risk their lives for a woman because they have so many other options.

Women made their beds. They wanted equality. Now you want me to defend you? Pay me. Im not a cop.

[–]tiredofshit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would wrestle with my conscience in Op's situation because I'm human, but at the end of the day there's a 90% chance she voted for that shit. In a perfect world his actions would be noble. It's a shame we don't live in one.

[–]TheLastMgtow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I wrestled a coupled of times. I will keep waiting. Ill come back in a few years and ask, how is that feminist working for you ladies. Ill go out of my way and my urges to defend a woman to not defend this system

[–]Flintblood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Based af answer.

[–]purplefidgetmidget 111 points112 points  (9 children)

Walk away. Phone the police.

My friend did the same thing you did, woke up in hospital with a split head, lucky to be alive.

[–]enterim[S] 27 points28 points  (8 children)

Yeah didn't think about it in this situation, should have looked for security.

It is dangerous out there, you never know what kind of crazy people you will meet. I guess it is time to start with martial arts.

[–]Mescalean 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Martial arts and a firearms course. Have a buddy who has practiced Bjj and kickboxing his whole life. Didn’t stop a knife during a mugging. Learning how to maintain clean and properly use a firearms and hands for self defense is something every young man should learn.

[–]GrimTRP 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I've done bjj and kickboxing + weapon defense. Stops a knife.

[–]IIIII---------IIIII 15 points16 points  (3 children)

No it doesn't. I was a state champion wrestler with a blue belt in BJJ and years of Sanda experience. I still got sliced to pieces when I resisted a mugging attempt. It is almost a certainty that going into close combat with someone wielding a knife will leave you bleeding, win or lose.

[–]Mescalean 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is what I’ve always been taught. If you get into a squabble with a knife prepare to bleed. I also assume the attacker is more dangerous than I an proceed with caution. I notice a “he’ll just drop the knife like a dweeb” type of mentality these days. Also dangerous to have. I always assume my opponent will be able to fuck my day up even if they’re 5’6 and I’m at 6’1”. Over confidence no bueno. (Not addressing you really)

[–]GrimTRP 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I was bleeding, I got stabbed. But I also broke the guys wrist, held him down till the cops came. If I hadn't known martial arts I'd be dead

[–]IIIII---------IIIII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The guy that stabbed me died when in the course of the scuffle he ended up falling off a curb and hitting his head on the ground. Even though I "won" it doesn't change the fact that I'm covered in scars now when I could have just given them my money (which was like 20 bucks) and walked away without a scratch. I don't know how your situation went down but if you had found a way to de-escalate it, you too could have walked away without a stab wound.

My main point is that knowing martial arts doesn't mean you can consistently stop a knife. Your chances definitely go up with training, but you're still playing with your life. You could be Fedor and it would still be a bad idea to fight someone with a knife unless you literally have no other option.

[–]imtheoneimmortal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

1st your security, then maybe you can intervene

[–]Luftiwaffe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

martial arts can't stop bullets

[–]Terdmuffin 46 points47 points  (6 children)

Dont be stupid and get involved in situations like this. Dogs that bark don't bite until one does and then what? If you're really concerned for her safety then call the police but don't get yourself inbolved over some stranger.

[–]enterim[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah could have handled that better.

[–]PlzBuffBeamu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly if you did this where I’m from you’d be asking to get shot up. I always try and think of my family and the people I need to take care of before putting my life out there for someone I don’t even know. It’s tough but that’s just life.

[–]4matting 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Exactly. Her safety is ultimately her responsibility, and you shouldn't put your life in danger because she's so careless with hers (being in an unsafe neighborhood by herself at 4am).

Things can spiral down and end up worse for her if you get involved, by making them even more aggressive.

If you really care about her, and not your manly white knight ego, stay back and call the cops. You can keep an eye out at a distance to make sure the cops get to her.

[–]enterim[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I didn't really put much thought into it at this moment and just followed my intuition. There were many other people around so even if they would attack me, there would be immediately backup - I guess that was the main reason I felt some kind of "safety" for going in kind of aggressively. Will handle it better next time.

[–]4matting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can't assume that strangers will come to your aid. Perhaps you call upon them to join you on your march to war, but you can't assume that people will join you once you've started the war.

[–]Saberinbed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. Its never worth to risk your life for a stranger. Its a different story if its a friend/family member/girlfriend, but you don’t want to risk anything to protect a stranger. The best thing to do is call the police in this situation.

[–]holyshocker 12 points13 points  (19 children)

I have a pocket pistol on my body at all times. Protect yourself then you can protect others.

[–]enterim[S] 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Illegal to carry weapons where I live. But I get your point

[–]Random_throwaway_000 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Then call the cops. Your government made it illegal for you to stand up to these men, so don't. Illegal to carry weapons = poor self defense laws. If they started a fight with you, you could easily be charged.

[–]Xevalous 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And thus I believe this goes to show that firearm prohibition is a failure.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Illegal to carry weapons where I live. But I get your point

Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[–]icecruzader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knife open carry? It's a little better. Don't risk it but we'll done

[–]holyshocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like you gotta make your hands weapons and pick up some martial arts.

[–]Thunderfin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

MURICA!

[–]-saltymangos- 1 point2 points  (10 children)

what country do you live in

[–]pascuccired 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Probably Germany as the Arabs and Turks do things like that there.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Germany is correct!

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Drunken Arabs after Oktoberfest, sounds about right.

[–]mounted2czarina 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Probably a soy country like the UK or the Netherlands.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nah germany :-)

[–]ardu- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Close enough.

[–]-saltymangos- -1 points0 points  (3 children)

what’s the least soy country

[–]mounted2czarina -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Probably the Central African Republic or South Sudan or Somalia—wherever men can be men untainted by feminism.

[–]treehouse4life 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well that's pretty bad PR for this sub

[–]CalvinRichland 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ill keep my political views about the conquered europe and disarmed subjects mostly out of this thread. Really though i dont think TRP says anything about this situation. Your call.

I have years of fight training armed and unarmed and i usually have a gun on me that i am highly skilled with. I wouldnt get involved unless it was obvious she was about to to harmed for sure, and then only if i was sure she did not know the aggressor. Them just being a creep i would simply call police and observe.

If i get involved it will be with overwhelming violence plain and simple and someone might die. If they weren't doing anything to justify homicide, I'd let it slide until then.

Whether you did the right thing or not depends on the outcome, this time it went fine. They just could easily have stomped your head and left you retarded.

[–]Shits_On_Old_Synths 12 points13 points  (5 children)

the red pill thing to do would be to try and "humanize" the situation, you run into these kinds of people a lot in certain areas of europe, and usually you can keep the situation from escalating by staying calm and collected

Running into people like this when going out made me realize the importance of the American second amendment though, (I used to believe in common decency and "common sense" gun control) if the situation did go hairy, 3 against 1 is not going to end well

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

? What if they have guns too, aren't you even worse off then

[–]Xevalous 2 points3 points  (3 children)

And what if the bystanders also had guns? What ifs could take us literally anywhere. When it comes down to it one gun can defend your person against multiple attackers.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven -1 points0 points  (2 children)

3 guys up to no good would be more likely to also have a gun than a group of dudes who arent going to do anything anyway.

[–]Xevalous 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is the problem with people who live in big cities. They don't feel the need to carry a gun because they're not doing anything and that's what the police is for. I've lived all over the US and in the Midwest at any given place there will be at least 10 people within a mile with a gun strapped to their hip. And guess what? Violent crime was virtually non-existent.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are less people there i'm pretty sure your just perceiving "less crime". Here it is per capita:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/

[–]mrpoopistan 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I was outnumbered as well

The studies I've seen about numbers and aggression suggest that they're not going to chance it as 3-to-1 odds, especially against an opponent who presents with a high degree of command presence.

The extra guys at the scene, while not overt contributors, are likely to make the three offenders much more tepid.

Generally speaking, men looking to commit assaults, especially sexual assaults, prefer complete numerical superiority. They also tend to prefer to isolate targets.

Given the circumstances, about the only thing you could've done better was recruited the guys who were there into your enterprise. Even if they're not really down for a fight, you can frame it like they're part of your numbers by saying something loud enough that the offenders can hear it. Something like, "Are you guys seeing this bullshit?"

As for whether you should or shouldn't have done any of this, I'll argue that you're the captain of your own ship. Sailing it into troubled waters is your call.

I personally enjoy the entertainment value of getting into situations with a risk of violence. Having grown up around violent people, I have excellent radar for who's up for a fight and who's posturing. Very few people are looking for a fight. Even the ones looking to commit assaults are usually looking for easy wins.

The only times you'll find things will get unpredictable is when people were prepared to commit one crime and stumble into a situation that calls for quickly pivoting into committing another crime. For example, a burglary involving multiple offenders who brought a weapon just in case. People improvise very poorly in those situations, and they get out of hand fast.

telling me I only had the balls to do it because I seem to be on drugs

Nothing makes me happier than when somebody tells me why I'm full of shit for being tough on them. I remember in high school an older student who hated me told me, "The only reason you don't get the shit beaten straight out of you is because no one knows what you'd really do." O noes! I feel so sad.

[–]cali_rep 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Having grown up around violent people, I have excellent radar for who's up for a fight and who's posturing. Very few people are looking for a fight.

Can you elaborate more on this? How can you spot this type of behavior?

[–]mrpoopistan 6 points7 points  (3 children)

One thing that's weird about this sort of acquired knowledge is that it falls in the realm of things that are hard to easily say X not Y.

For example, young men who've grown up in poverty and violence can spot unmarked cop cars much more quickly than the general public. (Except for those fuckin new Fords with the police lights recessed behind the windshield and above the rearview mirror.) There are certainly obvious tells, like the center bolts, for example. Others just feel cop-ish. A cop driving a car feels like a cop driving a car to me when i see it. They slow down differently. They choose to accelerate more suddenly than other drivers, for example.

So, be aware that I'm not talking about an encyclopedic collection of easily transferable data here . . . that said . . .

The first thing I will tell you is that violent people know each other when we see each other. There's a very fast transmission of signals that takes place when we scan other people.

I know the type of violence a person has been around within a second of both of us noticing each other.

For example, an upbringing around organized, retaliatory violence, is indicated by the amount of time you're willing to risk directly looking at me. If I don't quite directly look at you and you don't quite directly look at me, and then we both rapidly move to a sideways glance where we both monitor each other without any further direct eye, we've basically engaged in a complete handshake about how we're going to proceed.

I've made it known to you that I see you, so you can't jump me. I'm also make it known to you that I'm still scanning -- maintaining 360-degree situational awareness -- so your buddies can't jump me. You know I'm not starting shit because I'm not lining you up.

You'll see huge problems when people don't speak the same languages of violence. You'll see this with white guys who always end up pissing off black guys. Ya know, basically every Friday night at every college campus in America.

Traditional white male violence signals are waaaaaaaaay different. If you've ever met a white country boy with a serious "protect the wimmin folk" tradcon attitude, you'll see the difference immediately.

Bear in mind I'm not talking about white trash. I'm talking guys who've been churched up or MAGA types or rednecks who grew up adjacent to these types of white people.

This type of tradcon white violence signals with direct eye contact, and direct eye contact is often very sustained. Like, borderline eyeball fucking sustained eye contact. You have to sustain it, or you come off as sketchy, and then that calls for even more hardcore eyeball fucking.

That's what makes it so very, very fuckin tricky. If you've ever seen a country boy lose his shit over how a black guy looked at him (or vice versa) in the U.S., it's something else. It's a massive miscommunication, because both are actually signalling to others to not fuck with them, but they signal it in such dramatically different ways that they end up setting each other off. Worse, the black guy, by virtue of being subjected to this look mostly by white cops, finds it very triggering.

To be clear, that's just one case of how two different groups that often come into conflict signal and frequently misread violence cues.

And if you don't come from any culture of violence, we can spot your ass from a mile away.

The worst ones of this type are the white middle class concealed carry morons, who are just a needless murder waiting to happen. They miss all the signals, and then they have to tell you like a fucking idiot that they're carrying. Then they get really pissy when you're not impressed, because they're literally too clueless to understand what's going on.

I'm white, but I grew up basically multilingual in signals of violence for a host of reasons that are too long to explain here. I rarely have trouble with anyone, and I can switch gears very quickly.

I remember a non-incident about a year ago where I was in a college bar and a young black guy, very tall and decently built, thought he was going to push past me while I was standing at the bar waiting to be served. I have just enough tradcon white guy in me that I won't stand for that shit. Turns are turns, motherfucker. Everybody takes their turn when it comes up, and there are no cuts.

He goes into full-bore "you tryin to start something?!" black guy mode. For reasons I cannot explain, I instantly was able to pivot into the right set of signals. I didn't lock eyes with him, but I maintained my position, blocked him out from where he was trying to get to, kept him in the corner of my eye, and still even managed to order my drink while he's chirping at me. He's over my shoulder chirping, and my only answer to his chirping was, "I ain't doin shit but tryin to get a beer, man."

When I got my beer, I turned toward him and walked past him as closely as I could without getting into his space. (Think like 36 to 18 inches, depending on how much you respect the guy's physicality.) I looked at him long enough to say, "An now I got my beer." End of non-confrontation.

I remember my friend who bartends there telling me the next weekend that he thought he was going to have to jump over the counter to break things up. He described it as "You looked like you were going to kick that black guy's ass." I tried, with little success, to explain to him that nothing was going to happen.

Even the guy spoiling for a fight will still signal. He'll usually gather numbers. "His boy" will stand there not saying shit. Then you just have to stand him off with a lack of being impressed. The real killers are either going to jump you then and there or (much more likely) try to attack you in an isolated area after you leave the bar. Then it's just watching potential blindspots and not getting isolated.

There's nothing fancy to it, but you have to switch into the other guy's language of violence very fast. It's that rapid read and recognition that either defuses or starts fights.

[–]somethingdoge 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That was fascinating, thank you. Should do a whole post on this.

[–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have been folks who've done their doctoral thesis on variants of this subject and barely scratched the surface.

[–]THEMANWHOWASRIGHT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, I too want to read your post on the language of violence. Great stuff.

[–]notsoeasytopickaname 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Germany?

[–]RedDeathClock 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Gerministan.

[–]nebula79283 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Merkel should just accept her new position as Ayatollah at this point

[–]2comment 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She welcomed it with open legs.

[–]enterim[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yes

[–]pairevo 46 points47 points  (5 children)

If your objective was to be a white knight and get some pussy then you made the wrong move. Otherwise you made the right move.

[–]enterim[S] 40 points41 points  (4 children)

No it wasn't. Would have done the same if it was a Nerd. Or a kid. Or a man. Whatever. Thanks for your comment.

[–]MGTOWMAN75 18 points19 points  (4 children)

You came out lucky in my expierence these arab immigrants have loads of cousins who are all fucking insane.

You don't have to follow chivalry or the beliefs your mother instilled in you, personally i would have walked past maybe call 911 if you think shes in danger. Look out for number one because in the real world there are no rewards for good behaviour or a strong moral compass

[–]kleggen456 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I swear, kurdish people are so fucking dangerous. I have one kurdish friend and he has family members who has killed family members and wifes. Dont fuck with immigrants, specially from the middle east. You might win one on one, but as you say, they always have fucking crazy family members who will fuck up you and your family.

[–]Critical_Mongoose 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Random to see my ethnicity mentioned here. You're right though, I'm kurdish and my parents, uncles, aunties, and grandparents all went through some crazy shit, and witnessed things like what you described. I hope you don't get the wrong impression though, they mostly grew up in a fucked up environment due to war and politics but most of my family are intelligent and have big hearts who are always looking out for others.

[–]kleggen456 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, I know not everyone are like that, but better safe than sorry. My friend has gone through a lot of bs in his life, fortunatly he has adopted a way more western lifestyle. He is a great guy with great family members overall, however, many of his family members are all out crazy (he admits to this). The lifestyles varies a lot. The ones who live in Europe are good people, but they were lucky. The family members who are stuck in Iran are usually the most fucked up, most extreme and most violent of the family.

[–]Critical_Mongoose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha wow, I am kurdish-iranian too. Basically same deal for my family. I've heard so many crazy ass stories from them but it's also resulted in some alpha as fuck men amongst them, whilst I live in my perfect bubble here in Australia. Are you from Sweden or Germany perhaps?

[–]flashcash12 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Man this migrant bullshit in Europe (I’m assuming this is where you live) is getting really bad. Most of them are completely uncivilized.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

To be honest I hadn't any real problems with migrants, I think there are good and bad ones.

The 3 in this story did speak good german, so I guess those were at least 2nd generation migrants, so no new refugees or whatever.

I think there are black sheeps in every herd.

[–]ardu- 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Even in america, 6.5% of the population (black men) commit over 40% of the violent crime, compared to Asians committing the least. There are good and bad ones in every group, but various groups do commit crime at different rates.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Even in america, 6.5% of the population (black men) commit over 40% of the violent crime, compared to Asians committing the least. There are good and bad ones in every group, but various groups do commit crime at different rates.

Blacks commit 51% of the murders, but mostly each other, which the cops call it "misdemeanor homicide."

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I've seen a lot of propaganda type shit online. All kind of "muslims are taking over europe" as if they are winning some kind of religious war.

In my opinion immigration should be severely limited, theres literally no reason to let these people into any country. Even here in the US theres so much nonsense about letting imnigrants in.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Too many "bad apples" and even the non-violent ones don't assimilate and are too supportive of the "crazy" ones.

[–]ardu- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In a few decades, whites will be minorities in all of their own countries due to migration and birth rate differences.

[–]flashcash12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Who cares if they speak good German. You are excusing their dangerous behavior. I was in Europe for a bit at the beginning of summer and saw how run down and dangerous it has become. Especially compared to when I was a kid. And most migrant Islam men are like this.

[–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Those could have been gangsters with bigger fish to fry than you. Maybe didn't want to get their whole operation popped because they killed some white boy over a bitch. Decided to talk shit and let you live another day so your family can see you and be with you again.

Or maybe, in a drunken moment of passionate rage, they just take out their piece and dome your ass because you wanted to be a white knight galloping gallantly to the rescue of the damsel in distress. Closed-casket because your family doesn't have the money to have your face rebuilt.

Or maybe they're just punk-ass thugs and you heroically run them off.

It's your call to make and hopefully you use your best judgement in that situation.

[–]Andgelyo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This. Glad OP is safe though. Very respectable act.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I could have handled that better. Didn't really think clear in that situation and just acted on my instincts. I was lucky this time

[–]Rosehip_ginger 2 points3 points  (2 children)

A lot of these men are jealous as hell lol. Good on you, it was the decent human thing to do.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah. I think the main problem with the red pill is that it's definition is very vague and most guys use it as an "all women are bad" excuse.

For me this is about becoming a better man. But I guess everyone has to find his own truth.

[–]Flintblood 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Six men didn’t have the balls to join you and say something?! How fucking pathetic

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was a bunch of nerds. I don't think they would have helped me anyways if it would have got serious.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

German men are geldings.

[–]dtyler86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Went to Asheville NC (supposed to be liberal and chill right?) the second I got out my car THE EXACT SAME thing happened man. I did what you did, they did the same, threaded to fuck me up. They didn’t, I kept frame. My bro in law was just walking up to meet me and told me I was insane. Girl was long gone and had no idea I told these assholes to chill out and stop giving men a bad rep.

Fuck guys that do nothing, fuck guys that are lunatics and fuck women that think all men are pigs.. I’m evangelical about TRP but right is right

Also, not implying you have to endanger yourself, but if you’re tall and strong, I am, you should do something

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Its best to do this when you have a crew to back you up. Thats how men in non 1st world countries in the past did. Nothing bp about it.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah could have handled it better.

[–]Opioidus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don't be captain save-a-hoe, if she's worried about being harrassad by shit world immigrants then she can stop voting left. Women are the ones importing aggressive foreign men into our lands don't ever forget that.

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorta true too. Women were the ones who voted to let them in. It’s a very complicated situation. A country seriously suffers when a leader is weak.

[–]Operator_Axiom 6 points7 points  (3 children)

You did the right thing. It's something I've done before. I'm 44 and things are different now than they use to be. You rarely had to worry about someone having a weapon but nowadays you just don't know.

Generally all it takes is holding frame and appearing tough but never count on it. Be prepared to fight and fight like your life depends on it because it just might. I've noticed if people are around once one person steps in it breaks the ice and others will back you. Don't count on that either though because those are people who need leaders and are often cowards hiding behind 'common sense'.

If you are going to get involved in a situation where you are going to be out numbered and there aren't people around you better have a weapon. If you don't then you had better be badass and you better be smart. Call 911 FIRST and then make you presence known.

If it is a situation like you were in handle it by verbal commands at first and go from there. Intersect yourself between them and the victim. If it is a situation where violence has already started then remember there are no rules in a fight. Honor in a fight is a thing of the past and only in war movies and romance novels. Hit hard and hit to win.

But I always recommend to everyone to carry some kind of weapon. Whether it is defensive or offensive in nature doesn't matter. In most places around the world some kind of mace is legal to carry. Same with tasers. Know everything about the weapon and never brandish it unless you are willing to actually use it. It happens where someone pulls a weapon, still gets challenged, and loses. It happens way to much with idiots who carry guns. Think that if they brandish it then the other person won't attack them or even pull their own. Hell, I know someone who carries and never has one in the chamber. Defeats the purpose imo.

I live in a state that is lax on weapons. I can carry a sword down the street if I want. I do carry a solid pocket knife at all times and a gun when not at work. I'm also former military and can handle myself well enough for the most part. Luckily I have never had to use my gun but had to pull it once.

Question #1. I ignore aggressive people that are that way towards me or I just shrug it off. I'll do this until I can't. Then I give it back to them. If I feel it is going to get physical then I control the situation and strike first. Don't worry about being the one to throw the first punch and being considered the one who 'started it' because if someone is coming at you aggressively and not letting up you are acting in self defense. All you need for that is to feel threatened. Be smart about it.

And to you your point #2, I don't remember seeing that post but I know some people feel that way. I'm not getting involved to help a girl out just to get laid. I'm also not getting involved if her BF is going off on her for something she did. You see it in bars all the time where a guy is going off because she cheated or tried.

But if a group of dudes are hounding some girl or a couple of girls then damn right I'm getting involved. I personally couldn't look at myself in the mirror if I didn't. Standing up for those in need and weaker than you doesn't make you a white knight or a SJW, it shouldn't go against TRP. If it does then so what? To me it's the right thing to do and what makes a man a man.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great comment.

I could have handled this situation better and will do that next time.

I am thankful for you taking the time to answering with this great answer. Have a great day.

[–]Andgelyo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Great comment. This is exactly why I want to take up boxing, because I've had no formal combat training apart from being street smart by living close to NYC all my life. I have basketball which keeps me in shape cardio wise, and lifting which i guess could help when fending off defenders. Would love to know how to end fights if someone got wise or was harassing women.

[–]Operator_Axiom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understand fear is something you may feel but never let it rule you or dictate your actions. Be confident, stand tall, and be authoritative. Project strength.

As far as boxing goes I think it is good for learning how to strike and hit fast/hard. If you stay on your feet then it's great. The con is if it goes to the ground. Getting the kind of power into a hit when you are striking from the bottom of rolling around is hard. That's where something like BJJ comes in. It gets shit on a lot because it is the in MMA thing but it works.

Depending on time and money I'd recommend doing an MMA style class that teaches striking and grappling. You can always learn how to throw a punch and how to get your power into it by working a heavy bag at the gym. Same with speed to a degree. Also a lot of good videos on Youtube to help learn.

[–]livear 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you're gonna get involved, don't get involved alone.

Take the leadership role, recruit and inspire those guys around you who you obviously see are on your side, a lot of others will join just because they now have someone to follow. Not too hard to rile up the manly/brotherly/guardian archetype from a bunch of drunk blokes.

Most guys don't have the balls to confront them alone like you did, but most guys would absolutely have to balls to join you, and would salivate at the opportunity.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you are right. In hindsight I could have handled it better.

This post was mainly about getting other views on whether you should act on something like that or completely ignore it. Thanks for your input, appreciate it

[–]EL_Miore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Commended. David never defeated Goliath by staying his blade.. or in that case, rock. This was extreme Alpha behavior and other RedPillers could learn a thing or two about this incident.

[–]kcaJrebmuL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did the right thing dude!

About your points.

  1. Yes, things can go bad quickly. Since you were basically alone, I think how you handled the situation was perfect.

  2. That part of trp maybe holds some truth in some situations, but mostly it's just for male hamstering to hide cowardice.

[–]omarbradley42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Turks don't harass an alone woman. They could be arab or other middle eastern people.

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner 1 point2 points  (2 children)

If you have to fight. Only remember one thing. YOU. FIGHT. TO. KILL.

Shoot them. Stab them. Make them bleed out. Crush their fucking skull on a curb. Do whatever you must. It isn't your concern that they are someone else's friend, brother, husband, father, whatever. Once the first punch is thrown you do everything you can to take their life and do not give a fuck about their feelings or well being. They are an enemy until their last breath leaves their bloodied corpse. Your victory is the only thing that matters in these situations.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn, I see your point but that’s a bit OD to be honest lol

[–]SanPedroLover_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah well life isnt all pretty flowers & burritos all the time

[–]Ivabighairy1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some things gnaw on a man worse than dying- Kevin Costner "Open Range"

[–]pame12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was watching a video about the "defending of women" topic, and the author brought up a situation wherein in his hometown an average guy was walking back home from work and saw a woman being threatened by a guy. The average joe intervened and was stabbed to death, the woman ran away; but joe had a family, his son now will be fatherless, and his wife will have had a harder time.

It's hard to say what to do in this situation, especially since it means different things to different people. Personally, if the woman was hot enough I would have just called the cops and sat there watching to make sure it doesn't get dangerous. If the woman was HB9+ I would have probably intervened.

[–]pretty_bread 3 points4 points  (23 children)

Not your circus, not you're monkeys.

[–]enterim[S] 13 points14 points  (22 children)

True - but isn't this stuff on here to become a "better man" and a "man of values" - I get your point but isn't part of having frame embracing situations like that?

I mean there are basically 4 scenarios: 1. Embrace it because of my frame and values 2. Stay out of it because IDGAF about other people and it is all about me 3. Embrace it because I want to be white knight 4. Stay out of it because I am a pussy

3 and 4 are obviously wrong. But I think it is hard to decide between 1 and 2.

[–]empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (21 children)

  1. Potentially die
  2. Stay alive.

Pick one.

Women have dug their own hole.

[–]Andgelyo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It wasn't the women's fault some dipshit turds were trying to harass her. If you have the power to beat another asshole down and potentially save someone, wouldn't you do it? I for one couldn't live with myself If I went home and next thing i saw was a women beaten and raped in the news the next day. Part of being a real man is either difusing situations or neutralizing them.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly what I think. Thanks for your comment.

[–]kellykebab 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Walking around doing nothing is "digging a hole?"

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Walking around doing nothing is "digging a hole?"

A. Women, on the whole are much more "Yay! Migrants! Let them all come here because my FEELZ!!!"

B. The problem with letting in shitheads from shitholes is that they are still shitheads when they get to a non-shithole country, and then set about making it into a shithole.

C. Bitches then be like: "Wah! Theses shitheads should respect my vagina-ness! What are white men not protecting me from the consequences of my stupid feelz?! This is all the fault of white men!"

She should had a brother, boyfriend or father with her.

N.B. I met one of my girls out a while ago. We were both traveling and she arrived about an hour before I did and was constantly pestered by dudes because she has a rockin' body. Once I show up, they all vanish, because then it's clear who her owner is. It was enough of a distinction for her to point it out to me.

[–]empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I guess you must have misunderstood what I meant.

And how do you know what that woman did or didn’t do to find herself in that situation?

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well what did you mean?

[–]empatheticapathetic -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Women's behaviour and attitude en mass these days has shown they don't appreciate male help or intervention, therefore they have resigned themselves to any assistance or support expected from said males.

Please don't have an aneurysm trying to reply to this.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fuck whether they appreciate male help or intervention. I mean who cares? Just make your own decision. Why would I care if I please the woman with my decisions / actions or not? This isn't about getting a women into bed, this is about acting as your definition of being a man

[–]empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

who cares?

Men.

Of course women will continue on their feminism rampage if men are still saving them from their problems while they get to do it. They get the best of both worlds. If you’ve read this forum you’d know women do not respect this self serving behaviour and will throw it in your face because you are weak man saving someone that you have no ties with and could die in the process. This is not a smart move and she does not respect it, but she’ll take it just like she’ll take the money off a BB.

this is about acting as your definition of a man

Good for you but this is subjective. Do you value your time and efforts? If you do then you don’t go getting involved in situations like this when they are to no benefit of you.

Let’s imagine this situation where one of the guys hit her. You run in and you get injured. The men scatter. She calls the police and you are arrested for assaulting her. Turns out one of those guys are her ex bf and she is too scared/two faced to turn him in. So she says you hit her and her ex bf saved her.

What if she said you were trying to rape her and the cops just believe her because it’s easier than to investigate whether it’s a true claim, whether anyone else was involved etc and they get a nice shiny promotion for stopping an attempted rape.

There are 1000 different ways this could have gone wrong. There is no need for it unless she was your daughter/sister/mother/whatever and you truly need to get involved.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (11 children)

It wasn't the women's fault some dipshit turds were trying to harass her. If you have the power to beat another asshole down and potentially save someone, wouldn't you do it? I for one couldn't live with myself If I went home and next thing i saw was a women beaten and raped in the news the next day. Part of being a real man is either difusing situations or neutralizing them.

[–]empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (10 children)

It wasn't the women's fault some dipshit turds were trying to harass her.

How do you know this?

If you have the power to beat another asshole down and potentially save someone, wouldn't you do it?

Is that the guaranteed outcome? 3 against 1? Is the person worth attempted saving?

I for one couldn't live with myself If I went home and next thing i saw was a women beaten and raped in the news the next day.

That's you.

Part of being a real man is either difusing situations or neutralizing them.

Hilarious strawman. Again, your priorities, not mine.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Extremely shocked about the amount of “don’t do anything, not my problem” answers here. Ask yourself, what would you do if that woman being hounded was your mother, sister, wife? Let some assholes grope them while you turn you back and think “fuck that, I’m not getting my ass beat”. What’s the point of lifting weight and doing cardio if you can’t even put that body to use? Maybe we grew up differently but all my life I’ve known violent friends and family members (my father included). If it’s one thing I learned it’s to not take shit. Violence should be a last resort but it’s absolutely warranted when your life or others lives are in danger.

[–]empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (8 children)

If it was my mother or sister etc of course I’d get involved. But that is where the line is drawn.

A stranger? There is only disadvantage to be gained.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (7 children)

True but you will also feel the guilt of not doing anything actionable. Also beating other men is demonstration of power over them. If I can beat the shit out of a male and save someone, I would do it. It’s not about being redpill in this case. It’s about morality.

However I do understand that there is risk of being injured or killed. It’s Russian roulette. To each their own, this is just me and my opinion.

[–]empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (6 children)

And it’s not fool proof unfortunately. You are unable to make a clear conclusion.

I’d get involved because morality

Morality is subjective yknow. You define your own morality. And your ‘morality’ here is sending you down the wrong path.

if I can do it I will do it

What if you miscalculate and are beaten within an inch of your life? What if the guy is her bf and they both accuse you of [sexual] assault and get you arrested. What if they’re scam artists. What if the police charge you because it looks good for them. What if...

Keep reading TRP, sounds like you’re not quite there yet.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I’m talking about the specific situation of if a girl was down right getting harassed and nearly raped. The other situations I could care less about. Trust me. I live in a city. I’ve seen fights go down at the path and I wouldn’t dare intervene. Two men could go beat the fuck outta each other, idgaf. Men love to fight, it’s in our nature. I’ve been in high school fights, I’ve fought with my older brothers. I’ve had a gun pulled on me by my father. I punched my (ex) best friend in the face. But if a woman was being harassed and I had the action to do something I would do it. To each their own, like I said. I’m not entirely morally unjust like some of you, even though I believe I’ve had a very red pill upbringing. Again, perhaps I’m more open to violence simply because of upbringing.

[–]ThatKidinAfrica 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You did a courageous thing. White Men these days are mostly pussies and cucks that don't even have the balls to protect their own country and it's people. They are especially scared of these Muslim immigrants as they can be quite violent. Fortunately you didn't get a weapon pulled up on you but DEFINITELY have a gun on you anytime there's a possibility for a fight or you might wake up in a hospitable with a big ass scar.

[–]Atheist_Utopia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah kinda hard to carry a gun when you're not a US citizen.

[–]Atheist_Utopia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah good luck getting a gun when you're not a US citizen.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is if he ends up shooting someone he will be the one to blame. Happens to white cops all the time in America.

[–]Bedtimeshine 1 point2 points  (12 children)

First of all... I always have a weapon on me, you should too. Second, you should never let shit like this happen... scared or not... even if it back fires.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children)

What kind of weapon are we talking about? Knife? Knuckleduster?

It is illegal to carry both in public where I live. But I guess safety is worth the risk :-)

[–]Flintblood 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I bet legality doesn’t stop the Arabics and other immigrants who don’t care about your laws.

[–]Bedtimeshine 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I always carry a knife. Haven’t carried brass knuckles since college but I own them. The glock usually stays in my truck console lock box. Yeh fact that a knife is illegal to carry in the UK (where I’m guessing you are from) wouldn’t matter to me.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Close. Germany.

[–]Velebit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Europe does not allow any weapons but you having weapons means the bad guys have weapons as well. If you use fists and boots against 3 guys they will use fists and boots against you. If you use a knife on 3 guys they will use knife on you. The chance if you pull a knife or tazer they don't pull anything is low.

What you did is take a personal risk for a collective goal (safety).

They only backed off because they are not members of a gang but rather just a group of losers that hangs out sometimes. If it were a gang, gangs have unspoken rules of honor and do not allow their members to back off and retreat when one guys tries to be a hero.

It is not merely about 'balls'. A person does not have to be in utter sensation of fear to realize the odds are bad and the gain is nonexistant.

[–]Krischan76 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then you should know these guys weren’t on drugs. It’s their default setting.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah they were clearly drunk or on drugs as well. I could see it in their delusional eyes.

[–]Qazreddit99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look into getting a taser. Anything "physical" is not smart as thry require you to get close. Get a taser that also has a backup stungun if things go bad.

[–]Destyllat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

bear mace

[–]TheYoonFather 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Get a CCW license if your state allows it

[–]waynebradysworld 3 points4 points  (1 child)

He's obviously not American

[–]TheYoonFather 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, didn’t think of that for whatever reason

[–]redvelvet_oreo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you did the right thing. I know a lot of people here advocate against this but i think there s line in the sand where you do nothing and when you be a leader. I agree most of the time its not worth it. I seen a White Knight intervene in a couple arguing and the guy pushed his girl and the WK jumped in. Start shoving the angry bf and the gf started to beat on the WK. It’s all within context i suppose.

Your situation sounded bad and someone should have done something. It’s worse that no one came to back you up. Goes to show you the world we live in. You should have phoned the police and then step in. We all know police is a reaction and are always to late.

As someone said here take up combat courses and learn how to use a firearm and a knife. I would walk around with a concealable knife even if its illegal. If i go to clubs I hide in my shoe because it’s small enough to fit there and not be found.

Also a book I would recommend to read on basic survival is 100 deadly skills by Clint Emerson ex-Navy SEAL. A lot of useful tips in there.

I would also say if you find yourself in a similar situation be creative. You can use your environment as a weapon as well. A glass bottle on the floor can become the force multiplier for you to win a fight.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I heard someone once say he stopped a situation like this by approaching the men and saying something non violent and confusing, like pretending to be a preacher or salesman and asking them something, and then showed concern like asking them if they were ok. And ended up pretending to befriend them. This was a skilled public speaker though.

that stuck with me. Think about the tough inner city priest or youth worker, and how he would approach them with care but tough love.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds even more risky. But I get your point.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds incredibly stupid and dangerous, to be honest. The best self defense is looking confident and maintaining eye contact with them. I live in the ghetto of Jersey and I’ve found strong powerful eye contact (intent looking to kill them) is enough to defuse the situation. Thankfully it’s never escalated but simply giving the person “idgaf eyes” can go far.

[–]omarbradley42 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Turks don't harass an alone woman. They could be arab or other middle eastern people.

[–]Leo95GT 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Keep copy and pasting that shit. You pathetic Erdogan supporter.

[–]omarbradley42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I only support turkic honour and manhood, the most masculine men are turks like Attila, Oghuz khagan, Mehmed the conqueror, Kilij arslan

[–]Leo95GT 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In that case, I apologize for making an assumption. I acknowledge the rich history Turkey(Ottoman empire) had and its a shame someone like Erdogan is in power. A true extremist supporting dictator.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That was ballsy but reckless. Don't try to go it alone against 3 aggravated bullies. Get backup first.

Should have told a couple of other bystanders to follow you and back you up.

"Hey, you and you, time to get serious. Stay right next to me. Don't worry, just pull them off me if it gets rough."

You're lucky other people were watching, or it could have gone downhill for you pretty fast. Sounds like those guys had been arrested before.

The reason the guy didn't try to knife you or something was he thought you knew something he didn't. He thought you knew most of the bystanders and they would finger him if he pulled some shit.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah you are right. The other guys were around 5 m away so it wasn't that far. But could have handled it better.

[–]AstuteBlackMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I give you props man. Im trying to get back into sidebar red pill reading. At this point in my life I’d definitely feel the urge to help but I’m not sure if I would unless it was someone I knew.

Do you plan on taking any martial arts or defense training after this?

All in all I get your point. Majority of people would say you’d be a simp but you aren’t if your goal isn’t to get sex or any reward from her and I respect that.

I just think there were smarter ways to go about it. Calling the police and then stepping in would’ve been better.

Definitely a good story though man. Made me think about things.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I am planning to get into martial arts. Always wanted to do it. :) I especially like it to build up discipline and a thicker skin.

Could have handled it better - thank you for your kind comment.

[–]PieceBringer[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have had problems we things like that again. I remember i know a guy who died because he stopped 3 guys beating one guy he died stabbed 3 days later. The way I handled situations like that was by telling the agressor that it's really "bait" and he should go. I play like I'm on their side just to get them to stop.

[–]theubernoob 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Call authorities, collect information, ask questions politely, rally others to your cause

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah could have handled it better.

[–]humzy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Strange comments in this thread. Society would crumble very quickly if we all had the thought process of not helping anyone if there’s nothing in it for you. In terms of your actions of putting yourself in danger, I would just call the cops unless the danger was imminent. If it was imminent (they were about to stab her or rape her) I would try and get the guys standing around to go and fight together or start looking for a weapon nearby.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I mean all those guys are saying society is on the downfall and everyone should only take care of themselves - but the fact that society is on the downfall is one more reason for me to try to be better than that - thanks for your comment.

[–]1walawalawa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The one thing working in your favour is that with anti-migrant sentiment at a high, those idiots realized that anything they did to you and the girl would probably reflect badly on their wider culture. So stepping in was a gamble and a calculated risk that in this case worked out in your favour and helped an innocent victim escape.

But always be aware of the wider situation. Things could easily have gotten violent fast and since you're vastly out-numbered would doing this right thing have been the "smart" thing?

In a similar situation a few years back standing in a taxi line and there was a group of drunk Japanese salary men. Then a Chinese guy came up drunk and started hassling them for no reason making all sorts of political and stupid remarks. I stepped in and just said "Lay off man". But police were up the street and the guy was very drunk and on his own. I did it because it was the right thing to do. No one thanked me but it avoided a lot of unnecessary violence.

[–]FearGarbhArMait 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carry a gun and exercise caution. You too can be batman.

[–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (2 children)

"I went there and told the guys that they should leave if they do not want problems."

Ahmed and Sayyid launch at you and grab you, while Abu-Hajar pulls out his knife and buries it in your guts repeatedly.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Orrrrr abu dabu and his boys could’ve just been drunk weaklings who were put to sleep after a hit to the jaw.

Surprised at how many of you guys are afraid of conflict. There’s worse men walking around in the streets of NYC.

[–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All it takes is one punch to the face to kill someone. I prefer not living inan cage for the rest of my life.

[–]adamantiumvibranium 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember no good deed goes unpunished.

You win a fight they go to their car and come back and shoot you. White knighting does not work in your favor.

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Downvote this shit guys. Men are not your enemies. They want you divided and exhausted.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Who wants us divided and exhausted?

[–]Vizard47 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Dude you humble bragged about saving a woman while risking your life in trp,while pissing them off in the comments.you're either a bag of stupidity or a troll,my money is on the latter jesus jr

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I am not pissing of anybody. I am just trying to understand their views. Why do you have such an fixed reality. The world is not black and white.

[–]Vizard47 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

May i ask about the appearance of the woman

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I ask why it is important?

If you are asking whether she was dressed slutty or whatever - no. Black hair, small, around 27 I guess

[–]TheLastMgtow -1 points0 points  (2 children)

The corporations and elites (not trying to sound tinfoilhatish), get advantage of female nature. Flood your country with migrants. Destroy the family, to make the man indirectly a slave. The woman spends all the money back to the corporations.

How do you divide men. Make some look like the bad guys and others look like the good guys, let them fight, reap the rewards. The situation in context was all fault of women, it was them who invited muslims in to replace you, to compete with you, to make you a slave.

Before you become a soldier in the next war, you have to demand that women lose their right to vote forever. Remember that. Otherwise you are no good man, just a pawn.

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I really do not like your views on this stuff. But as long as it works for you and you are happy, go ahead. I wish you all the best for your future

[–]TheLastMgtow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It works for me because im not destroying myself for the sake of women and their little society thats for sure.

[–]joner888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Carry a small pocket baton or defense spray i would say. Even if its illegal

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did the right thing. Think of that woman as your mother, sister, or girlfriend. I would gladly break some jaws if it meant protecting them. The rest of the other men were cucks. If i had some friends with me, I would jump the shit out of them.

[–]Nergaal 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don't think you are being honest. You helped somebody who had apparently no connection to you, and risked your body integrity for it at absolutely no potential reward. It makes no sense to do anything unless you are absolutely sure of your outcome (which you said yourself you weren't).

[–]enterim[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sure it makes no sense. But I always had the urge to protect weak people. This isn't about gender. This is just my moral compass.

[–]Nergaal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's bluepillspeak

[–]Dirty_Socks_Mullins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not your circus. Not your monkeys. Not your problem.

There's no reason to risk your physical safety for a girl.

[–]RedDeathClock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I carry weapons myself when I'm out and about, always.

It's good that you told them to fuck off, but did you have the balls to back your words? Have you ever been in a life/death fight before, any experience at all?

As far as the ho is concerned, if she wanted to be safe, then she should have stayed home....4 o'clock in the morning, lmfao.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would have had the balls to back it up. I could have definitely outpower them physically if it would have been an fair fight. But - I am glad there was no fight.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I noticed 3 arab / turkish men harassing a younger woman who clearly felt unsecure and was in fear. She tried to get away from those guys but they followed her and were really aggressive.

and

Literally no one had the balls to say something.

I am not the unpaid bodyguard for bitches I don't know.

The girl thanked me later, told me she was scared.

Did you bang her?

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No I did not. I know it is hard to believe but I had no intention to bang her. Crazy me.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The "crazy you" part is white knighting for some woman you didn't know. But hey, it's your ass, Cochise.

[–]UshankaDalek -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fake and gay

[–]averis1 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Still hold frame, not showing any fear.

Your cringe game's real strong.

In this situation it was NOT about the woman, I did not care about her at all. I just felt that it was the right thing to do as a man.

This is the most cringeworthy, immature shit I've read on Reddit.

Are you a teenager? You sound like the dumbest little insecure bitch.

And that a man should not try to avoid confrontation out of fear. And it was a great way to practice to hold my frame.

Any self-respecting, honorable man will take a hit to his ego to avoid unnecessary confrontations unlike you who's proudly humble-bragging & virtue-signalling.. BUT it feels TOO good to stroke your ego, doesn't it?

You could've been beat down & stabbed. "The right thing" was simply to call the police and remove yourself out of the situation.

In one Asian country, time to time, you hear on the news of guys getting stabbed and bleeding to death trying to help some lady. (Guns are illegal there)

The number of times she or her family showed up for his FUNERAL? A grand total of... ZERO.

[–]enterim[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well I guess that I am cringy in your eyes then. I can live with that. Thanks for your insightful comment Alpha - have a great day.

[–]mrpoopistan -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I was outnumbered as well

The studies I've seen about numbers and aggression suggest that they're not going to chance it as 3-to-1 odds, especially against an opponent who presents with a high degree of command presence.

The extra guys at the scene, while not overt contributors, are likely to make the three offenders much more tepid.

Generally speaking, men looking to commit assaults, especially sexual assaults, prefer complete numerical superiority. They also tend to prefer to isolate targets.

Given the circumstances, about the only thing you could've done better was recruited the guys who were there into your enterprise. Even if they're not really down for a fight, you can frame it like they're part of your numbers by saying something loud enough that the offenders can hear it. Something like, "Are you guys seeing this bullshit?"

As for whether you should or shouldn't have done any of this, I'll argue that you're the captain of your own ship. Sailing it into troubled waters is your call.

I personally enjoy the entertainment value of getting into situations with a risk of violence. Having grown up around violent people, I have excellent radar for who's up for a fight and who's posturing. Very few people are looking for a fight. Even the ones looking to commit assaults are usually looking for easy wins.

The only times you'll find things will get unpredictable is when people were prepared to commit one crime and stumble into a situation that calls for quickly pivoting into committing another crime. For example, a burglary involving multiple offenders who brought a weapon just in case. People improvise very poorly in those situations, and they get out of hand fast.

telling me I only had the balls to do it because I seem to be on drugs

Nothing makes me happier than when somebody tells me why I'm full of shit for being tough on them. I remember in high school an older student who hated me told me, "The only reason you don't get the shit beaten straight out of you is because no one knows what you'd really do." O noes! I feel so sad.

[–]enterim[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thanks for your reply.

To be honest, I feel the same way about the entertainment value of these situations. I never back down. Till this day I never had a fight, I think it is because I am very tall so I am bigger than 99% of men. In addition to that I love seeing other man surrender and backtrack -

Worse case scenario at this point is that I get into my first fight and get a black eye - or stabbed. Either way, I would learn an important lessen.

[–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not the worst case scenario, but okay.

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Worst case scenario is your life being taken away. The bottom line is winning a fight is never guaranteed, regardless of how tall or strong you are. You could be 6’5 going against a 5’6 guy, but it would not matter if the guy had a gun and shot you in the head. It’s best to do these things when you have backup. Having a weapon is best to be used alone when you don’t have back up (that and alerting authorities before hand).

[–]omarbradley42 -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Turks don't harass an alone woman. They could be arab or other middle eastern people.

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