147
148

Has anyone else become more conservative over the course of their TRP journey? (self.asktrp)

submitted by yalldve2000

Been doing TRP for five years. Lifting, meditation, game, learning skills and hobbies, etc.

I've found over the course of those five years, i went from super liberal, to fairly conservative on many issues

The over arching theme of it being "Personal responsibility", you're responsible for your own wealth, happiness, success, etc, (assuming one is of sound mind and able body), and that i shouldn't, as a tax payer, have to subsidize someone elses weakness in character.

That's the gist of it at least.

I'd say i identify with libertarianism most closely, but i voted conservative in the last election.


[–]Velebit 29 points30 points  (8 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/8qbj62/when_a_girl_isnt_interested/e0igtp2/

not only more conservative but I realized that traditional society and the institution of tradition itself makes evolutionary sense.

[–][deleted]  (7 children)

[deleted]

    [–]Velebit 8 points9 points  (5 children)

    Its not as clear cut as that. Many cultures pick and choose from religions what they like and leave out the rest. You will see African Muslim cultures treat women quite differently from Arabs and Pashtuns based on their traditions.

    Traditions are basically the collective transgenerational system that enabled a population to survive and reproduce.

    For example. In a habitat of abundance (mediterranean) low level war and slavetaking... it makes sense to kill men and reproduce with enemy women since you can feed the extra people. This promotes patriarchy, hence athens and rome the most patriarchal societies history has seen. This also promotes strong separation of gender roles. The people who dont do this, lose out over time and the population carrying other traditions and their traditions are gone with darwinian efficiency.

    In areas of low resources (steppe and scandinavia) you see a different situation. Rarely does it make sense to take slaves since most of your kids die of hunger anyway. It also makes little sense to provide women with any special protection and privileges since their and your reproductive success is limited by working the land and a single lost battle means everyone gets exterminated. So in those societies a tradition of sexual equality will arise because selecting a pretty, fertile but weak woman will mean you die anyway... you just cant sustain a family with one provider. In these cultures it is also not rare to see tribes with traditions that even have women participating in war, notably norse and scythians.

    Religions do change stuff, but a population totally opposed to a certain way of life will never accept a religion requiring something. For example nordic and russians even in medieval times commented how they would never accept islam because there is no room or contradiction about alcohol ban

    This also explains why Islam didnt took hold in drinker cultures but permanently and super quickly changed the religious landscape of other, mostly semitic populations. Its about environment/genes/tradition/religion in that order.

    First world/urban environment is generally the biggest single problem of today. Far more than feminism/marxism/atheism/whatever ism.

    Even in animals, presence of genetically compatible but still distant race or subrace produces a higher spontaneous misscarriage in pregnant females. Literally the smell/pheromones of exotic dick changes female biology and makes them kinda wanna be adventerous and mix it up rather than go for the boring local guy.

    The only reason why women resist this is the very recent evolution of loyalty. And this loyalty is not equally distributed among races and subraces. White people, for example literally get heart problems following a long term partners death. Other races dont have a measurable rise in mortality following a loved ones death. All in the genes.

    [–]smirk_addict 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    As thought out and interesting of a read this was, something told me if i kept reading you would try to connect it to how white people are unique or special in some regard. Thank you for not disappointing.

    [–]TheCondor96 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    White people are unique and special, and so are middle eastern people, and Asian people. Hell black people are pretty much a eugenicists wet dream because they are physically the master race. However yeah I was waiting for that shoe to drop too.

    [–]Velebit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    90% of people here are white and so am I, it makes sense that I would take that into consideration. Literally 60% of east Asians in east Asia are virgins until marriage you can't compare the sexual dynamics with a multiracial degenerate west.

    sex is about mating and mating is about genes, can't talk about genes and avoid major differences

    tropical populations are promiscuous and don't have the same inbuilt notions of family loyalty as nontropical populations, they follow an r selected biological path

    [–]smirk_addict 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Annnnnnd here we go. It always starts off as sounding like it makes sense then there is some subtle shit about the “uniqueness” of white people that fits awkwardly into your point and isn’t based on any kind of science. Then some purity mantra. Which I’m sure doesn’t apply to you if you bang non-whites. All this because you just want white girls to bang you. And it festers feelings of frustration and inadequacy(that you’ll never admit to) If they find guys from different ethnic backgrounds more attractive than you. Pathetic dude.

    [–]Velebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Nope, look for these people on youtube and google, they are scientists working on the subject of psychology and differences among populations. You can hear conversations and interviews about their work and often sources are linked.

    Richard J Haier Charles Murray Sam Harris Linda Gottfredson Helmuth Nyborg James Flynn Nicholas Wade Garett Jones

    Athur Jensen and Philippe Rushton work on effects of iq in education and how low iq people fail at many things.

    Also most of what I said can be point on point verified by a quick google search.

    I also dont know where you found any evidence I am advocating purity. I am not sure but I think the frosty bs attitude white women put and the expectation that you have to entertain her and carefully manage escalation to earn that pussy is probably the most annoying thing ever, dark skinned girls are generally much more open and honest about their intentions and attitudes, also not passive aggressive but tell you in your face wtf the issue is. No purity from here hahah. Though there are downsides for everything.

    [–]si1ma31 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Prince Vladimir in the 900's forcibly chose an opiate for his masses (or, a giant blue pill) after shopping around and picked Christianity. Soviets tried to right that wrong but failed.

    [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 53 points54 points  (2 children)

    TRP is inherently and unavoidably right-wing and libertarian.

    While we don't, as a matter of group focus, weigh in on political issues here, we are embracing a philosophy that each person is responsible for whatever conditions they wish to see in their lives, that the world must be dealt with as it is, not as you wish it were, and that people are individuals first and foremost, and group demographics might help predict their behaviour, but it is their actions that define them.

    This clashes with collectivism, globalism, authoritarianism, and socialism by its very nature. Socialists, authoritarians, and collectivists are not incapable of understanding TRP, but, having understood, they begin a journey which will inexorably, if often slowly, leads them away from socialism and authoritarianism.

    Just as feminism is the application of Marxism to the family, TRP is the application of anarcho-capitalism to sex.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Just as feminism is the application of Marxism to the family, TRP is the application of anarcho-capitalism to sex.

    Such a good way to put it, remembering this.

    [–]contributive-citizen 92 points93 points  (12 children)

    Masculine traits tend to favor conservatism. I was also pretty liberal (more so uninformed) but have also started to see things from a more conservative point of view. I've heard it described as "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" or conversely "socially conservative, fiscally liberal".

    I always knew I thought feminism and the LGBT agenda of the mass media was bullshit. All TRP did was show me why.

    [–]jb_trp 43 points44 points  (11 children)

    "socially liberal, fiscally conservative"

    Basically, libertarian. "Do what you want, you're responsible for yourself."

    [–]contributive-citizen 27 points28 points  (10 children)

    Yeah, you could call me that. But the Libertarian party in the States tends to nominate people who are totally fucking nuts, giving them a bad rep. This makes me hesitant to identify with them.

    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (7 children)

    Another term for where you're at is classic liberal. It's pro-liberty (anti-authoritarian) and pro-capitalism (anti-socialism).

    [–]contributive-citizen 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    Yeah, that sounds about right. Thanks man. I was wondering why political compass tests always put me left of center when I detest what the modern left stands for. I'll look into that some more.

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    The single-axis political spectrum used in the US is pretty horrendous for anything other than raw tribalism. I'll PM you a different one.

    [–]IM_BARELY_LITERATE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Could I get that PM too?

    [–]McDrMuffinMan 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I dunno, I think a single axis from collectivism to individualism does a pretty good job.

    [–]contributive-citizen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It was the same multi axis scale used in political compass tests

    [–]McDrMuffinMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, because they'd somehow put individualists right next to collectivists.

    For example, Fascism being somehow right next to libertarianism and conservatism, when neither have an ideological branch.

    [–]Leviathan97 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This. When you run out of RP reading material, go here and absorb some counterintuitive truths about economics, liberty, and ethics: https://mises.org/library

    [–]jb_trp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Totally agree. The libertarian party had a serious chance this last ejection... But they nominated an inept dumbass in Johnson.

    [–]gains_o_clock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    yes I've found this as well haha

    [–]Mr-Ed209 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Yes.

    For me it started when I really began thinking about sexuality and relationships after having some dire experiences with women. Before I was a typical college liberal who supported feminism because I thought it was the smart person thing to do. However, it dawned on me of just how 'not ok' I am with the idea of the growing feminism narrative supporting female promiscuity or loose sexuality providing 'empowerment' to women. I looked at my parents and close family members relationships and how they were conventionally monogamous and it seemed to work out pretty well for them in creating a sustainable and stable life style. I'd travelled and met party girls and the like who were obsessed with sleeping around and saw how it always coincided with extreme drama and emotional breakdowns for the girls involved.

    Then you realise the benefits that women have in society and look suspiciously at claims of 'oppression'. Before realising nothing of the sort is occurring and society simply favoured tractional roles in the past because life was much harsher and to deviate from those norms resulted in death pretty much. Today the world is a softer place so people are free to experiment with new ideas and ways of living.

    However it seems like you get to an age whereby a clear divide develops between who is succeeding and who isn't in life (say around 26-30). And lets just say women who decided to liberate their sexuality and men who decided to forgo education/employment for the sake of a 'free life' ain't in the winning tribe.

    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

    [deleted]

    [–]yalldve2000[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I'm interested.

    What would you say has changed, and what would you say has remained the same?

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

    [deleted]

      [–]tannerkubarek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Letting people do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else would be considered Libertarian.

      [–]beat-9 25 points26 points  (8 children)

      To me, taking the red pill wasn't about being a Liberal or Conservative but more about seeing life for what it is instead of what it should be.

      But I do see your point. You often hear for Liberals that "just because it's been this way until now doesn't mean it can't change!" The way I see, they just want to believe that the conscious mind dictates the body (nonsense) and refuse to admit that the way to deal with struggle is to toughen up, not lower the bar.

      I'm going on a philosophical tangent but fuck it :

      Life isn't fair. Some people will have to struggle a lot more than others just because they had shit cards at birth. Yet, I can't help but to have immense respect for those who chose to say "fuck you" when shown pity and chose strength, the path of most resistance, while surrounded by misery.

      On the other side, middle class guys who have it easy and feel self entitled, believe they're the shit, yet have 0 discipline, disgust me. They are the ones I feel true pity for, trapped forever in a prison that has no guards.

      Yet by making life easier and easier, we remove the need of strength. And more and more men become weak and useless. It makes it more rewarding for those willing to fight, but I do feel very lonely at times.

      So yeah, to circle back to the topic, I now think twice before considering some technology or social movement as "progress".

      [–]yalldve2000[S] 19 points20 points  (6 children)

      feel lonely at times

      You know, the red pill has also made me quite lonely.

      I find it hard to make "Masculine" friends, cus it seems like the only thing my male peers wanna do is get drunk and high and play video games. God forbid i suggest perhaps going to the beach, or canoeing, or the gym, or literally anything where you may have to challenge yourself and meet new people.

      So i distract myself with hobbies: Lifting, playing guitar, meditating, learning a language, etc

      [–]CassWCD 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Same here man. I’ve started to slowly drift away from good friends I’ve known for 20+ years. At first I tried to fight it, but it’s pretty clear to me that they do not want to live a life beyond drugs, booze, and vidya. They have become detrimental to my mission, so I’ve begun to give them the old soft next treatment.

      Ever thought of a rec league? Soccer, Softball, etc? I started hanging with a few guys from my hockey team over the last few months. I convinced a couple of them to buy road bikes, and they helped me buy a sport bike. So now 1 shared activity has turned in to 3 with a brand new group of friends. I’d say it’s worth a shot man, hope this helps..

      [–]yalldve2000[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Never been a sporty person (all i've ever done is lift and run), but you know what, it's worth a shot.

      I'll get better at the games as time progress

      How would i go about finding one of these leagues?

      [–]L1amas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      plenty of websites our there - google <your town> <sport> or <rec> leagues

      [–]nomba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Stay on your path.

      [–]DayGameChirality 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So i distract myself with hobbies: Lifting, playing guitar, meditating, learning a language, etc

      I'm sorry but you're not treating yourself with proper respect if your interests are "distraction hobbies" to you

      [–]Fielder57 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How old are you out of interest? I had this problem in my mid 20s, but as I got older I found a lot of people caught up.

      [–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Beautifully put. This is also why some men cannot be externally helped, they have to find the lessons themselves. When the student is ready, the teacher appears. That's a saying that sounds right at first, and then you only learn its true wisdom once you've been through some genuine challenges.

      [–]nofilmynofucky 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I'd say I've become more of a centralist (I know, I know), my political views are grounded more in pragmatism than anything now.

      For example, take abortion.

      I'm in support of it being an option for women, as the alternative is for the tax payer to shoulder the burden of yet another unwanted child: sure, people will say 'well we should cut off benefits for unwed mothers and then see how many of them pop out bastards' but let's face it, that's fuckin never going to happen, so for me it makes more sense to support abortion.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I've actually become less conservative.

      I come from a very conservative family that's big on marriage. In a way I've become the antithesis to my family's conservatism by staying single and spinning plates instead of getting married. I likely won't even vote next election (Canada) because I can't bring myself to care about politics.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Nope, I actually became much more liberal.

      Edit: I was very radical right, I realized just what I had done to myself once I discovered TRP a couple of years ago and started analyzing my life. I now consider myself a right leaning centrist who leans on the libertarian spectrum.

      [–]BurningOrangeHeaven 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I've only followed trp subs for a short while now, and only because many of the things i noticed myself the last few years have alligned with what the trp is about. But even without trp i feel like I've become more conservative over the years, but not an ACTUAL conservative. I've been at the bottom and i know for a fact that many conservatives are just out of touch with how poverty, immigration and other key issues to them actually work. I'm not pro immigration like most liberals, but the reasons I'm against immigration are different from conservatives.

      I guess I'm in the middle somewhere but definitly dont support feminism etc like i would have years ago when i thought it was just about equal rights. Other issues like gay rights, sure let them get married - why should i even care?

      [–]bobbydreddits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I found myself become more conservative except for certain things like healthcare. Still think single payer is better then anything we do in the United States

      [–]xddm2653 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      I think without TRP I wouldn't love Trump

      [–]MagnumBurrito 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's natural since owning up to everything in your life is conservative. Liberal is relying on other people to balance things out.

      [–]awakenedspirit1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I considered myself a feminist for a long time. Naturally this aligned with "team blue" values. I've always hated the government - so didn't feel particularly drawn to either side. I always had the idea that "team red" was a bit racist.

      Post red pill I am more sympathetic to team red's stated values. But the government is still terrible. Paying half my money to build weapons to blow up people I don't know seems bizarre to me.

      [–]FinallyRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You can content yourself that the full half isn't going to that. Most is going toward the incentivization of mediocrity and the creation of brainwashed debt slaves among your fellow countrymen.

      [–]BlackFire68 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      You’ve nailed the reason for it. Conservatives tend to ‘verbally’ believe that each person needs to handle their own shit. Now, many conservatives have no issue with an uneven playing field and are often very ignorant of real poverty patterns and issues, but you’ve hit the main point.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Reality, masculinity and success all push you to be more conservative.

      [–]2comment 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I think both parties are completely corporate owned and they just attach themselves to issues they never intend on resolving as advertising. For instance, republican fiscal responsibility goes completely out the window when they're in power and doesn't include the military, which the military-industrial complex overstuffs as their golden goose. Democrats are no better. And federal party platform usually bears no resemblance to local party workings.

      Whatever my former politics, I think I became self-interested machiavellian for the most part as I completely ceased believing in any systems or ideologies on the political front.

      The enlightenment was a good idea. That inevitably gets squandered by successive generations who didn't have to fight for it.

      [–]Playerslife4me 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This. I am of the belief that if you are fully red pill you ultimately will be anarchist. You will never acknowledge someone exercising authority over you as being legitimate as each person is responsible for themselves and no one else.

      [–]hormoan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Idk. I used to be socially liberal and economically conservative. Now I'm the opposite.

      [–]DayGameChirality 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I've become less. I never was conservative to begin with though.

      [–]Musicgoon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think both parties are filled with fucking idiots and lemmings. I do what I want when I want with who I want. No apologies or explanation.

      Inwardly validating people are the strongest.

      [–]abudun79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      "Conservative" is a shit term to discuss. It means different things to different people and has a broad spectrum of possible interpretations in different locations, and even within one country/political landscape.

      But from what you described: No. I personally have been like that before, although I consider myself having traits from both ends of the spectrum. It reinforced that part of me, that believed in being good at everything important.

      But politically? Absolutely no. And everyone who believes there is a connection between actual political conservatism and being a better man and self responsible, is making that up because he listens to the words of politicians and political commentators, and not seeing the political actions as a whole, only the parts that fit one's views.

      [–]Wrath_of_Trump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Initially yes, but in the long run not really. If I have a child, I will try to prepare them better for the world, I don't think that is too conservative. Modern society breeds complacency, that doesn't mean it belongs in the house. Women are going to do what they're going to do whether we cry about it, yell about it, or write laws about it. Just worry about yourself, let everyone else get bogged down to ideology.

      [–]TheKidWithBieberHair 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How do you delete someone else's wickedly misguided post?

      [–]Slipstream17X 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I’ve noticed this too. I used to be fairly left leaning on economic and social issues.

      These days I’d say I’m economically conservative and socially liberal; but socially liberal in the sense that people should run their own lives and the state has no business interfering in what consenting adults do. Perhaps that’s more libertarian than liberal?

      [–]GeuseyBetel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Me 100%

      [–]SheenCharlie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Absolutely.

      [–]zarathustrahhh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's hard not to be at least fiscally conservative in light of TRP ideas. Our first tenet, "Lift and get fit", means taking responsibility for your health. Meanwhile, 30 million Americans have diabetes and 84 million are prediabetic. Let that sink in. It is *not* easy to get diabetes. It takes decades of apathy and excess. And the left wants the fit, successful people to pay for that apathy?

      [–]Toussant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      normal life progression. as the saying goes, "young and not liberal, no heart. old and not conservative, no brain".

      I'd just modify that to libertarian instead of conservative though b/c the religious influence on social issues among conservatives is anti-intellectual by definition. So the quote mainly refers to fiscal policy.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      No. Not one person of the thousands. You're an anomaly.

      [–]RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Conservatives tend to favor a realistic worldview

      Liberals tend to favor an idealistic worldview

      [–]UnpluggedNigga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah bro

      Cuz liberals want shit given to them, fuck that

      [–]PofiePofie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      More of a flaming feminist liberal

      [–]BlueBlus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I shifted from centrist to conservative to leftist.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      At 15, sadly, I used to identify as a feminist.

      Now that I have lived and went through some life-threatening experiences, betrayals and back stabbings of both literal and figurative varieties, I'm a Libertarian, at 26.

      [–]Verificus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The way we are taught at school is not Liberalism vs Conservatism but rather Socialism vs Liberalism, and both Socialist and Liberalists can be progressive or conservative. So in my opinion, you can definitely be a liberalist and a conservatist at the same time.

      It's also an age thing. It's natural for you to be progressive when you are younger but as you get more life experiences you realize you cannot be progressive about anything and that not all change is always good and for the better, thats when you get more conservative.

      [–]forbesno1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I just want to point out that this is also a factor of age, that as people grow older they tend towards more conservative views. Like TRP, growing older is about being responsible for yourself and experiencing more of life and the knowledge that you can deal with anything since you've been through so much. It's going from child to adult. Of course, you can do the same and still be what in America would be called a liberal, since it's reasonable to be responsible as well as support large government and welfare initiatives, but you're operating from principled but practical rationality politically at that point and not pure emotion or normatively, that you "should" do xyz, which is how kids vote

      [–]TheStumblingWolf -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Honestly I've become more right learning in my opinions. I live in Scandinavia and I see our policies and way of behaving as countries and people as very beta, slavic countries being very alpha obviously. I'm afraid this will have fatal consequences in the future due to mass migration of incompatible people - I'm against Islam but not muslims necessarily.

      I think my opinions now are a mix of liberal and right-wing opinions.

      [–]priapula -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      liberalism is all complaining and blaming everyone else for your own problems