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Why are you putting your brothers down? (self.asktrp)

submitted by waylonw

I’ve never posted a question in this sub until now, however, I do give advice too the younger generation of men with legit questions. Now, with that said, I see a lot of responses “downing” each other. Stuff like “that’s fucking beta AF” or “cause you’re a pussy”. I don’t understand the point of this... Do you think it makes you more alpha?

From an older males standpoint these type of comments do not make you look or seem alpha at all. In fact when I see answer/insults such as these, I imagine a fat ass wearing tighty whities, a stained wife beater shirt, with a face that is acne ridden covered in sporadic patches of what he deems a beard and Cheetos. Probably sitting in a dark room in his mother’s basement.

If you can’t give a decent answer/help/advice, then why bash? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Why not read the post and skip it if you have nothing valuable too share?


[–]SlyGradient[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

This post, for new folks around here, is textbook concern trolling (rule #4): https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/about/rules/

We are not the tone police. Sure, there are some keyboard jockeys around here. But there are also a lot of young men coming to TRP who need a good kick in the ass to get going, not more blue pill coddling. If you pay close attention, you can distinguish those who know what they are talking about (often they are flaired or pointed), from those who are bullshitting. Use your own discretion.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 52 points53 points  (4 children)

I don't "down" guys who post here, but sometimes there are guys who deserve to be responded to in a blunt and direct manner.

There is a difference between being childish and insulting, and being blunt and direct. Sometimes the actual answer to questions, or the way to help guys who post here, is to cut the bullshit and be brutally honest with them. There are countless other subs on reddit where guys can ask for advice in which the responses will be sugarcoated and hugboxxing. This isn't that place.

[–]waylonw[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I agree with this 100% and I was talking about the “childish” bs. I agree there needs to be a level of bluntness but it needs to be something tangible that someone can learn from.

[–]Self-honest 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah but... "you're acting like a pussy" can be something tangible that someone can learn from.

[–]waylonw[S] -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Yeah, if you answer the guys question with something a little more insightful, but just saying that and that only doesn’t really accomplish anything.

[–]Self-honest 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It does if his biggest problem is acting like a little bitch about his situation instead of taking control and doing what's best for him. Sometimes that's literally all people need to hear.

[–]iskandph 84 points85 points  (3 children)

Because in spite of all the good advice at this sub and at TRP most guys here are losers who mentally masturbate to their false alpha self-image

I mean, it's easy to be the ultra-AMOG guy when you are behind your screen and can't be roundhouse kicked in the ribs right

[–]waylonw[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I can agree with this... I thought this sub was too help younger guys or hell, maybe older ones too. But it seems lately it’s just a bunch of kids calling each other names and not understanding the true RP meaning.

[–]it_takes_the_redpill 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In every community there is signal and there is noise. You're seeing noise. There's a lot of it.

[–]BPasFuck 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've been on and off asktrp for at least 4 years now.

After all that time, I can honestly say that I feel very confident in where I draw the line between offering my best, most well-intentioned advice...

And also shitting on someone when they need it.

Fact: Some people just won't hear you, without being shit on first.

I've seen it again and again-- not just here, but in meatspace too.

Further-- posts such as OP's which amount to nervous handwringing, are not actually helpful.

OP-- sorry that this doesn't jibe with your preconceived notions of how to help people. Consider the possibility that just because you don't think it'd be a help to you, that it isn't a help to all kinds of people who need to get shit on, before they can correct themselves.

Honestly, in this slave age of participation trophies, and victimhood sweepstakes, a little harshness is frequently necessary.

Also too, let us not forget, how 99% of all questions asked here can be answered with a little lurking, a little searching, and a lot of reading.

But some of these fags can't handle that, and want to ask questions about their special snowflake problem. You really think a guy like that is going to have the wherewithal to internalize what's being taught here?

Of course they're not. So they get shit on. And if they're lucky, they'll realize they have more work to do, in an area they've been neglecting. (The how-to-avoid-getting-shit-on area.))

When you're dealing with what are largely the same questions time after time, two things tend to happen:

1) You stop replying/interacting.

2) You shit on people more frequently.

OP, if you don't like seeing people get shit on, then I invite you to take a more proactive role, in fielding some of the more routine questions around here.

You don't have to be an EC, to recognize when some poor asshole needs to dump his bi-polar chick, and advise him accordingly. So, do so. And see how far a more 'supportive' tone gets you.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I’ve wondered this too.

[–]mrpthrowa 62 points63 points  (7 children)

If your frame gets affected by a random stranger on the internets calling you a couple of words, then you really, really have no business standing up to the emotional power of a shrew.

[–]resnine 33 points34 points  (6 children)

This is a solid point. This is the reason that people do it. I've actually had a lot insights of people on here fucking with my frame, calling me out on shit, only to have them say "See... you're letting my words affect you", that has helped me realize how weak I was being at times. It's like when your bros bust your balls in a constructive way. They aren't busting your balls to break you down but to boost you up. It makes you stronger when you realize how silly you are being letting a word like "bitch/beta/faggot...XYZ" affect your frame, they are just words, and if words are going to affect you than you have some serious work to do. It's about strength building.

[–]waylonw[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I agree, it is good point. However, I don’t agree that it’s all “strength building”. I honestly believe that some of it, especially with out a well thought out response, is actually just a bunch of juvenile preteens that just learned how to call people names behind a computer screen.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 20 points21 points  (0 children)

So what? That's life my dude. What would you do if you're walking down the street and a bunch of teens call you a beta faggot? Are you going to go over and write up a 200 word response as to why they shouldn't do that?

[–]resnine 7 points8 points  (3 children)

You can usually assess who that pretty quickly though. The problem with our society is we are constantly afraid of hurting peoples feelings, but, because of this we are actually limiting the ability for people to grow. When you nix the ability to call out people for acting like a "bitch" "beta" "faggot" you are doing the people who are actually acting that way a tremendous injustice. Most of the time these people have not been called out like this, in a direct way and that's why you get this sort of post, because of the way western society has de-evolved. Ever notice eastern european men are much more masculine and dominant? It's because they don't have this PC filter bullshit in their culture. Men can be men because they don't have this filter of protecting people's feelings. They are constantly being faced with the reality that they are acting like babies, bitches, betas.

[–]waylonw[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I’m not meaning censoring what people say or even sugar coating... what I’m asking about is simply the one liner responses that have no value other than the chance to call someone a name... don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t hurt my “feelings”, I just legitimately want too know why people do it.

[–]TheLanternFlame 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's been answered already...unless you didn't see it. It's like in the military, where the sergeant will shit you to the ground, while you conquer them by not giving a fuck about what he says and crawl your way up the hell hole.

[–]resnine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Twofold, some are just newish members trying to sound ALPHA and it's a cute attempt, other's are calling it like they see it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If you can't handle some anonymous guy on the internet calling you a "faggot" (then usually providing some value or concern) than you will never survive in the real world where people call you a faggot and don't try to help you afterwards. The world is a much crueler place than society and the media like to admit, especially for men. The red pill is a sub that mirrors that reality. If people around here were afraid of hurting feelings, then we would be no better off than the relationships sub.

Secondly, getting called a "beta faggot" on a red pill sub was probably the first truly honest piece of advice I have ever gotten, and it felt refreshing to get no bullshit, no safe space, no kiddie gloves feedback about the current state of my life and relationship. The world doesn't give a shit about mens feelings, and if we want to improve men who have been misguided by feminism, we can't take it easy on them.

I admit there are try-hards who name call without adding any value, but those comments are usually downvoted anyway. The world isn't a nice place though, and the sooner guys understand it and learn how to move past it, the better.

[–]RightNeedsMight 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The frame checks really helped me stop being a weakling. I saw every one of them as a challenge, rather than a letdown.

If you are reading this sub, it is because you have allowed your life to go to shit. Telling someone that fact in blunt, vulgar language is not the real problem. The problem is YOU.

We have become an invaginated sex. We lead with our hamsters on every decision, And we find ways to weasel out of accountability at every opportunity. The frame checks are intended to break that destructive habit.

If you are here, you're in need of new construction in your mind, soul, and body. You can't build anything if there is a smelly, failing outhouse on the property. Knock that shit down and clear the land!

[–]waylonw[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

With the frame checks that helped you, how many had an actual meaning, and how many were just name calling?

I’m not saying monitor language or meaning... I’m just asking why the drive by name calling without a message?

[–]resnine 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Bitch.

[–]The_HiddenHand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pussy.

[–]voxiqs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a false sense of power and reeks of insecurity. Most of the guys who provide this are just reiterating the side bar without fully understanding each situation is unique. It’s a false sense of security and they are providing advice to make themselves feel noticed. None the less, since they are regurgitating the side bar the core concepts can be sound. I don’t mind these idiots, it’s good practice for the older trp folks.

My last post has a guy doing this to me. Telling me to drop my friends. Made no sense whatsoever.

[–]Chad1738 7 points8 points  (4 children)

It’s called shit test (if you read the sidebar you would know) If you can’t deal with guys who are trying to help you shit tests you piece of shit faggot, how the fuck do you expect to deal with real life shit tests from both men and women. Look at the actions over words. We take our precious time to respond to retards on here (like you) trying to help you better yourself. If you can’t handle it go to RPW.

[–]waylonw[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I completely understand what you are saying, and I agree with that IF there is actually something too take away from the message/ advice. What I’m actually referring too is the meaningless childish responses that have absolutely no “meat” in the message. Like a drive by one liner. I don’t know... I don’t understand it.

[–]Chad1738 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The internet is a big place, it’s impossible to control everything. Take what you can and discard the rest.

[–]resnine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I know what you are referring to. It's basically newish members trying to seem more ALPHA, thinking calling people a bitch/beta is the best way to establish themselves as an alpha. For one to be able to judge such a characteristic must mean they have made it to alpha level status themselves. I just ignore them, but people who have proved wisdom to me in the past on this forum I take note that maybe I am acting that way. It really comes down to who you respect and who you don't.

[–]waylonw[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truth!

[–]yumyumgivemesome 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm glad that some guys will include that stuff in their comments so that I know to disregard just about everything they say. Real men use arguments supported by logic and evidence. Weaker men will resort to name calling in order to feel better about themselves. That said, tough love is a theme in this subreddit and not a bad one every now and then.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6 points7 points  (13 children)

Nobody here gives a fuck about what you deem to be "alpha" or not from whatever standpoint you are talking, let aside I am also older than the majority here.

This is take it or leave it. You get free advice on your questions and you get them without sugar coating. If you cannot digest it the way it is presented, this is not for you. Go somewhere else if you want feelgood shit.

Also the majority posting here are not "my brothers". "My brothers" can read stickie posts and simple rules and follow them. "My brothers" are not lazy retarded faggots who won't even bother to try to find an answer to their questions either in the sidebar or by using the search function. "My" brothers do not come here to present me one million and one strawmen to get around lifting heavy shit or training how to kill people with their bare hands. And "my brothers" don't come here to whine if they see somebody being adressed in a proper way.

[–]Straightfromthemudd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Training to kill people with their bare hands"

Lmao. What is this, Assassins Creed?

I agree with Op. Why reply if your advice isnt advice at all. Calling someone a pussy isnt answering their questions. If I see a post that just looks like a lost cause, I just go to the next one.

Read thr sidebar should be the bare minimum anyone replies with.

[–]waylonw[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you’re an older male and you aren’t here to give advice too the next generation, then why are you here? I never once said anything about “sugar coating” anything, however, I did say legit questions. Yes, there are guys that want the “magic potions” and are lazy, and to those I don’t answer... I don’t waste my time in a response.... especially a response that only makes me looks like I’m trying too puff out my chest so people think that “I am man”... as said why bash? Why answer at all?

[–]voxiqs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t get sucked into the nice guy syndrome, the world has no rules and people have no duty to follow any of these made up rules. People will be people and when you see these weaknesses you keep them to yourself to benefit. Focus on bettering yourself not other people, you cannot change the masses.

[–]Self-honest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First, these people who are looking for a magic potion and are lazy need advice too. And they need it in a different way. Lazy bitches get called out enough they will stop being lazy bitches and keep posting or they will go away and stop posting.

Second...

If you're an older male and you aren't here to give advise to the next generation, then why are you here?

No moralizing.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You sound so tough

[–]waylonw[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you misunderstood me. Be hard, yes, but too just come here and only respond with a name calling... what’s the point? My whole point is actually contribute too the question or don’t respond at all.

[–]Killing__Time_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People only accept ass whoopings from people they place their trust on.

This community is a trusted community, especially because the sense of anonymity affords strangers that trust, and also because the people in here have faced/are facing a similar uphill battle.

I don't come here to be led like a horse to the water. I come here because I need a reality check, much like the horse that needs to figure out where the water is on its own, and the community being the prods that 'guide' me there.

[–]PM-ME-GROCERIES 0 points1 point  (3 children)

From an older males standpoint these type of comments do not make you look or seem alpha at all. In fact when I see answer/insults such as these, I imagine a fat ass wearing tighty whities, a stained wife beater shirt, with a face that is acne ridden covered in sporadic patches of what he deems a beard and Cheetos. Probably sitting in a dark room in his mother’s basement.

This is what you sound like to me. Somebody that's just whining. If you're so old and wise you'd understand that if you get into a ball bustong contest with somebody and you start to go rational and on a long speech that most people are not going to give af. They're going to see you as an uptight prick that lets other peoples words affect him. In the end who really fucking cares about the intent behind my words? Is it helpful or is it not? Thats what matters.

[–]waylonw[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I’m not whining at all... you seem too have misunderstood my question. I’m not affected by the words, however, I thought this was a sub meant to help guys not throw words at them... maybe I’m wrong, maybe it really is a bunch of 12 yro boys that just learned “bad words” lol... you kids.

[–]PM-ME-GROCERIES 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In my experience you have a feminine way of helping somebody out. Almost motherly. Personally, i appreciate it if somebody might tell me im acting like a bitch because I know that I can be honest with myself enough to know if I am or am not and analyze my actions to see if theyre right. I appreciate tough love. I dont like sugar coated information and feedback. I understand that my way of thinking isnt for everybody but I think masculine forms of feedback and criticism involve tough love and for a lot of people here they might be going through the experience of learning how to dial it back.

[–]waylonw[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, not at all a feminine way of helping at all.. I absolutely agree with being tough on people. I have been on my soldiers and I have been on my kids. However, I do add more to the lessons than just calling out a name and that all I contribute. I don’t believe in sugar coating anything, but I don’t believe in giving worthless meaningless responses to legitimate questions. That was the whole point I was trying to have answered... why give a response that simply calls someone a name and that’s it. Don’t even respond if that all you got.

[–]bob13bob 0 points1 point  (1 child)

there is true negativity, but I think most of it actually good motivation dressed up as insults. we're your boxing corner here or your drill instructor, and we're trying to goad you to face the tough heart wrenching emotional battles that cause men to take the red pill. Where appealing to your sense of manhood and pride, trying to pull it out.

also, we embrace hard truths. mental hamstering just makes the situation worse.

kind of like, men insult each other but like each other, women compliment each other but tear each other down.

[–]waylonw[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I’m not debating that at all... my questions are if you are just gonna call a name and not give actual advice then why even respond? I agree with being tough and hard at times, but if you respond just by calling some a “pussy” “bitch” or whatever then what’s the point? It gives absolutely no value too the sub, question, or community. In fact the only thing it does is show an inability for “you” to think of an insightful response.

[–]TheRedPillMonkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do it rarely and very intentionally when I feel it's going to help OP.

For example, I'll say it to some guy who thinks he's acting like a tough alpha, but is actually acting like a little self-centered prick who doesn't get it. Sort of tough love if you will.

I'll also say it to someone who you can tell has taken the pill correctly, but is asking a pretty beta question, with sort of a "bro, you're better than this" tone.

But every time I say it, it's within context of larger advice. I see a lot of guys on here just posting "lol what a beta cuck" as their only advice ok asktrp and it annoys the fuck out of me. That's not helping anyone and making the poster look like an insecure asshole.... Which I think is the demographic your worried about.

[–]Fuknmods -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Do you think it makes you more alpha?

I know it makes me more alpha than a bitch that has to care about THE FEELINGS OF MUH BEAUTIFUL PRECIOUS INTERNET COMMUNITY!!!!!!

From an older males standpoint these type of comments do not make you look or seem alpha at all.

But sticking up for the poor idiots too retarded to read a sidebar full of information is heroic and truly alpha. The epitome of masculinity is exactly what you're doing.

In fact when I see answer/insults such as these, I imagine a fat ass wearing tighty whities, a stained wife beater shirt, with a face that is acne ridden covered in sporadic patches of what he deems a beard and Cheetos. Probably sitting in a dark room in his mother’s basement.

Thats my impression of a faggot who's social circle is so trash he actually needs to try and regulate strangers online rather than go out and engage real people.

If you can’t give a decent answer/help/advice, then why bash? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

If you cant make an actual question about trp then why post it? Does it make you feel better about yourself to pretend you're the white knight standing up against muh ebul internet bullies?

Why not read the post and skip it if you have nothing valuable too share?

Why not avoid reading the negative comments and skip them if you're too fucking sensitive to handle the internet? Kys fag.

[–]waylonw[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely none of your response effects me whatsoever, however it does show your character. An angry little man that has to raise his voice to be heard thinking the the negativity is the only way too make people understand him. See, it is this response that someone can actually learn from. Kids, this is how you look after you project yourself in a negative manner. An angry little dude. Everything will be ok... just take a deep breath.

[–]ichivictus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are you so negative? What does it accomplish? Posting that probably gave you a dopamine rush but it had no purpose and it isn't helping or contributing to anything.

[–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha.

[–]AManIsBusy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's just part of Anglo culture. You see it in the UK and all of her former colonies, including the US, Australia, etc.

[–]Freenorthman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

did we crawl out of the same pussy ? no ! do i know you for years? no so you are not my brother id fuk your wife without guilt . if you are a pussy you are a pussy man up or die