Are We Just Slaves? (self.asktrp)

submitted by StoicCrane

Morpheus: ... you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.

Recent I've listened to the audiobooks 1984, George Orwell; Animal Farm, George Orwell; A Brave New World, Aldous Huxley; and the thought occurred that the Western Plantation model never actually left but took a new form under the guise of economics.

Proletariats, the working class are comparable to plantation slaves in the fact that there are two divisions. Just as there were field slaves (labourers) and house slaves (house workers) there exists the Blue collar labourer and the White collar office worker.

The Bourgeois, the master of the farm is comparable to the corporate, bank, hollywood wealthy who influence politics with their material riches. The Westernized farm owners.

Particularly with 1984 the Chapter that implies that sports, depressing news, and unbridled sex are the opiate of the masses to keep them culled like animals has made me feel unneasy when going out nowawadays.

I haven't felt the same about clubbing or spinning plates because there's this gnawing sensation that the reason why women are so extremely hypergamous is because of some form of mass hypnosis and conditioning prevalent within our times.

When I see chicks getting shit-faced from jello shots and bumping asses I can't enjoy it like I used to. The juxtaposition between the low class animals of "Animal Farm" and the "lower class" field workers of it's neighboring farms flits across my mind making an otherwise enjoyable experience oddly distasteful and bitter.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is it normal to feel this way? Does this fade? Or does this lingering subtle sense of disgust and disappointment in how things have become just remain indefinitely? Maybe it would've been better not to swallow the pill than be so aware of the world's ills.

[–]lookingforshantaram 62 points63 points  (13 children)

I guess you just have too much comfort when you start to think about these things. May I ask you, if you could shape the world the way it would satisfy you, how would it look like?

[–]Qazreddit99 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Damn that is a thought provoking question.

[–]kellykebab 3 points4 points  (2 children)


[–]fichgoony 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More like [8}

[–]Natural_Euphoria 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a [10] easily

[–]RedHoodhandles 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thought provoking and edgy but irrelevant. Shape yourself. Trying to shape to world or thinking about how you would like it to be is futile.

[–]Qazreddit99 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thinking about philosophy is not futile whatsoever.

[–]RedKepler 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I'd make it flat.

[–]room_303 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The truth more prevalent than lies.

[–]furcryingoutloud 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You can't handle the truth! <-- relevant

A huge amount of the population is not interested in the truth. They want:

  • an education
  • a good job
  • a nice wedding
  • 2.5 kids
  • white picket fence (Mortgaged of course)
  • nice car (a good car loan)
  • decent retirement
  • nice box to lay in when their dead

    Full stop.

When you come to the realization that these things are designed for a purpose, you become a kook, an outsider, a crazy person. Unless you manage to make a lot of money, then you become the other side, the side to be hated, despised. If you think about it, it's a pretty good system, it keeps everyone in line. A lot.

Religion used to be the blue pill. With the advent of science, humanity is moving away from religion, All the 'isms, Socialism, Communism, et al, come from the hatred drilled into everyone for those who have (Money/Power). It's actually brilliant psychological management. But the truth is, the elite don really have to sit behind their desks dreaming this shit up, humanity is eager to be fed the bullshit, as long as the status quo is met.

Even today, religion is etched into the mind to the point where people are still influenced by it but are actually calling it progressive thinking. Change the meaning of a few words and people will still eat it up.

This is the reason why you will always see me ranting about the Red Pill being much more than just pussy slaying. Concentrating on the pussy is the normal reaction of humans who concentrate on the little things and thereby miss the bigger things in life.

OP, welcome to the real Red Pill.

[–]midnight_metro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have to look at it from a different perspective. Of course we prefer the truth, but do you think for a second that the average person wants to hear uncomfortable realities? The opportunity to learn more about the world is always available, and yet most people don't even do it.

In my experience, a lot of blue pill dudes deep down know the cards are stacked against them, but acknowledging it is more painful than just staying plugged in. Blame the masses for pretending like everything is fine.

[–]FuneralWithAnR 2 points3 points  (0 children)


Everyone, except me, has both male and female reproductive organs.

Now they can go fuck themselves, and I can fuck them too.



[–]StoicCrane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The trappings of idealism only beget cynicism because a disappointed idealist is a cynic. It's a route I care little to tread.

However, the world as I see desirable would be one where everyone was deeply aware of the reality of death. That life is as a sinking ship and we're all aboard the same boat. Instead of being contentiously at odds with each other in realization of our inevitable end everyone strives to make life experience as fulfilling of an experience as it can be before the fateful moment of cessation arises.

[–]mickey__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what did u mean by him having a lot of comfort,?

[–]twdziki 15 points16 points  (11 children)

If you don't want to be a slave, then aim to be one of the masters. The system won't change, but you can. As fucked as today's society is, social mobility is possible.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 5 points6 points  (10 children)

You cannot become one of the masters. You can only become a slave higher in hierarchy. The masters are bound by blood, not by money.

Every once in a while, one of the slaves, like Jeff Bezoz, Elan Musk, or Steve Jobs, wins the lottery and is allowed to live like one of the masters, in order to keep the slaves quiet and provide them with a reason to join and keep going in the tread mill.

It's still just granted privileges and subject to being revoked if you dare to jump out of line.

[–]twdziki 6 points7 points  (5 children)

You don't have to be Elon Musk or Steve Jobs to be a master. It's the mentality of "set impossible goals, complain when you don't achieve them".

In this era just being red pill-aware gives you more authority than 70% of other men. If on top of that you're self-employed, own significant amount of wealth without any loans and understand the game of power, you can become one of the big fish in your local pond.

Yeah, you won't be the master of all masters, king of kings, but you'll have enough power to direct your future. And people at the very top are usually miserable anyway - most biographies of absolute rulers are filled with history of mental breakdowns and paranoia.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You don't have to be Elon Musk or Steve Jobs to be a master.

Please learn how to read properly.

[–]twdziki 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Being a master" and "living like one of the masters" is only different if you believe that all the wealth is achieved through some kind of mandate from the all-powerful illuminati and not the other factors like, let's say, being one of the pioneers of a very important industry during the technological boom of late 70s/early 80s.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

It's not about wealth alone. The richest people don't even show up on the Forbes lists. Go and do your homework and find out that most companies and banks are controlled by a very select few holdings and law firms. Just because you are unaware of very old bloodlines does not mean they aren't there. I don't care how you call them. Call them Illuminati if you need a name.

[–]LethalShade 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You have a point but I'm not sure where's it's going. You think the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are the happiest people in the world? They have just more headaches to deal with, just like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family.

Might as well challenge the earlier point too, the internet is gonna be the end of those dynasties or at least their aristocratic aspect. The peasants used to have zero access to knowledge, learning to read was reserved for the nobles. Doesn't happen overnight but the playing field is being leveled.

[–]LiveAFTSOV 1 point2 points  (2 children)

To become one of "the masters" all one needs to do is live in complete independence of everyone else. Then you are truly the master of yourself.

Off grid living forever. Dont be a cog in the machine

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah. I am definitely a fan of that. It's not that easy though since you'd need to be able to create everything without anybody - especially the authorities - taking note of it.

[–]LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rebellious communes of smart, simple-living, spiritually healthy and sound bodied people are part of our nature.

I think of indigenous people- native Americans specifically.

Perhaps this is why we see the rise of RV couples, off grid trailer communes, among young Americans.

But, being absorbed by a stronger, organized force is also part of that cycle. Good bye horses.

Edit: you reminded me it's illegal to collect rain water in America In some states. I'll have to replan where I buy my acre of land to set up HQ. Land of the free

[–]beachbbqlover 43 points44 points  (15 children)

Own your own home, without a mortgage. No matter what it costs you. Even if you have to live in a trailer on your own land. Pay it off completely.

That's basically my #1 advice to any man.

[–]room_303 19 points20 points  (1 child)

You never actually own your house or land- mortgage or not, there is always government taxes, repairs and fatigue.

[–]Random_throwaway_000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, if you live in a city, owning all that land as a single guy is wasteful (As you said, higher repair bills, taxes, upkeep). Condo's isn't ownership neither. Some times it's better to rent.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Fortunately nobody can take it away from you... /s

Just look at what happened in my country Germany in the beginning 20th century with hyper-inflation. What would you do with your house, land and all other belongings if you couldn't afgird ro buy a bread? Exactly.

You might be safer by becoming a preper amd even then it just takes some communist regime to take over and it will all be taken from you.

Safety and control is an illusion. That is the red pill you need to swallow. My advice is to own as little as possible and nothing you aren't prepared to give away in less than one minute.

[–]beachbbqlover -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Land can let you grow food.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Which communists can take away. Read up on what happened in Russia and China.

[–]beachbbqlover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's about the point in hypotheticals nothing I do will positively affect the outcome.

[–]Archangel_1993 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Solid advice no refuting it.

However, how does this relate to the topic at hand?

[–]jrr6415sun 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You're not a slave if you own your own house

[–]beachbbqlover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This. If you have no mortgage, you very easily make your income. That means you can say no when the mean man wants to touch your bum.

[–]Kornell2018 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I did this. What comes after? :)

[–]beachbbqlover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lower bills and the ability to eliminate many of the rest through upgrades to said house.

To pay rent from 65 to 90 you have to save a fortune. To pay taxes at 2k/yr is much easier.

[–]genesisofman 0 points1 point  (3 children)

There's only like 8 countries on earth without property taxes where you can actually own

[–]beachbbqlover 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Taxes here are like 2k/yr. Rent is like 1200/month.

[–]genesisofman 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So you still owe 2k in rent to the government every year

[–]beachbbqlover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeh. The tentacles reach pretty fuckin far, huh?

Any advice then?

[–]awakenedspirit1 12 points13 points  (2 children)

It's why I started my own business (still in progress). I'm tired of making money for someone else

[–]midnight_metro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just make sure you know what you're doing and take every advantage you can possibly take. 66% of businesses fail in the first 10 years.

[–]awakenedspirit1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I heard it was 90% in the first year! I'm 8 months in...

[–]abudun79 9 points10 points  (1 child)

'You can turn it off!' he said.

'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.'

Start to turn off now. TV, Radio, Social Media, Newspapers for the most part. You might be a slave financially for the most part of your life, but no one can take away your mind, you have to hand it to them.

[–]StoicCrane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Already done. Probably wouldn't come to this point had I not unplugged years ago.

[–]TheBadGoy 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Yes, American Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same shekel, the 1% will just keep getting richer. Look up Libya's living standards before they got "liberated" by the U.S.

[–]el_Technico 10 points11 points  (1 child)

There's nothing wrong with you. You learned about the globalists agenda in a small way and are reacting as a normal person would.

I'd give up all the filth and strengthen your relationship with God but that's just me. Nothing wrong with spending time with friends and family and a good wife.

[–]StoicCrane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lately this is exactly what I've been doing. Empty relationships at this point in my life feel little more than a waste of time. Thanks.

[–]1MrTheFalcon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you need some time in solitude to gain perspective. And maybe things that used to be fun, now feel like a prison. That's normal. Figure out what you want, and make the changes required. Also, we're all in a prison of some kind, and we're all free compared to someone. Those books aren't wrong; they just point out a truth that we either accept or fail against.

[–]btharmony 3 points4 points  (4 children)


Someone on this sub offered me this read for a similar question I had asked in the past. It opened my eyes.

[–]el_Technico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice to see makow is still around.

[–]RedHoodhandles 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ah too bad. He build his advice around god. Nothing for me.

[–]IncognitoMaster91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Likewise I was liking it but he starts giving marriage the thumbs up way too much. I pass.

[–]StoicCrane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Something else that'll blow your mind. Came across it fairly recently. Be careful who you share these types of findings with though. Many will label you anti-___ and ban/silence you without a second notice. This society has become intolerant to truth.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't felt the same about clubbing or spinning plates because there's this gnawing sensation that the reason why women are so extremely hypergamous is because of some form of mass hypnosis and conditioning prevalent within our times.

It's almost as if the sexual liberation didn't provide real meaning or value to women, but instead it devalued women, this sex culture that surrounds the west is rotting humanity, at least that's my opinion.

I remember seeing a video where a woman said something like this, paraphrasing: "If women were lady like instead of Weymar whores, men wouldn't go around looking to sleep with many women to start with, they wouldn't have other choice than to be respectful".

[–]Aptote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are We Just Slaves?


[–]_Last_Man_Standing_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

between the two of them Orwell and Huxley got everything right...

[–]youcantdenythat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to think about this shit alot when I was younger. Yeah, society is a crazy bunch of bullshit, but thinking that way didn't help me at all, it didn't help society, it's a dead-end street and it wastes alot of time.

It's good you realize this stuff, but dwelling on it won't do any good. You need to focus on what makes you and your life better. Here's your real question: What do you need to do to prosper in society the way it is? How can you better equip yourself to take advantage of every opportunity that comes your way?

If you don't like clubbing anymore, don't go to clubs. Find better uses for your time. Hit the gym instead or do something else that's beneficial to you. Disregard females, acquire currency.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does she do anal?

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[–]NASCARnormie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Your user name is stoiccrane but ur still a normie and I wouldn't expect you to understand his philosophy. In the most retard proof way seneca would've told you to struggle and die on the battlefield for god and through that you would find your inner being.

[–]StoicCrane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your user name is stoiccrane but ur still a normie and I wouldn't expect you to understand his philosophy

If you judge people on the criteria of an internet username you really should abstain from offering advice.

[–]Jsieijejeieokkd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The world was made for you, enjoy it.

[–]batfish55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why r/MGTOW is a thing.

[–]MRPFuckMe1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what’re you gonna do Karl? Start a revolution? Then what?

[–]yesbuthereswhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.

By definition we are slaves. We need air, food, water, sex and a social network. Without any one of those things we die or will die much sooner. I think you’re just looking too much into the negative side of life’s aspects. There are many enjoyable aspects of life.

[–]dulkemaru51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's probably not as much an effect of additional knowledge as it is a change in perspective; you are not free to do what you want. There are rules written by humans according to which you must act under the threat of violence from other humans who enforce those rules for money. An overwhelming majority of people have never had this fact hit them the way it has hit you. They know fuck all about human nature and politics nor have they pondered the ways of society with a cleared out mind and so they simply assume that there must exist laws to prevent debauchery. Their most common reasoning for the necessity of a violence-monopoly is "if X was better, it would have been done already", which is of course a retarded product of their retarded thinking.

IMO, you should not hope for this realization to fade, because it will not, unless you can convince yourself of the state of the world being ideal already. I doubt you will be able to do that. You cannot unswallow a red pill.

You will however come to accept it and thus have a richer experience with this and any other new insights!

Every bad thing that happens in any place where wild predators have been rendered into a non-issue, except cancer, originates from a lack of self-awareness. With no ideals, there would be no competing interests. A Popperian approach to circumstances based on total open-mindedness and empathy, which is of course an innate human characteristic, the world would be at peace.

[–]HealthInspector0331 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. You ever seen those documentaries about chickens standing in line at the slaughterhouse? Tell me humans don't look like that standing in line from a top view.

[–]PatnarDannesman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't want to work for a living then feel free to start your own business or go and be a hunter-gatherer living in the wild (anarcho-primitive).

Women have always been hypergamous. It's in their genes.

[–]duehvdke -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well there's a new and interesting way to overthink things. Look, I don't disagree that economic divides are much more pronounced than any other divides in this country, but think about this for a second: most people today can live better than kings could two hundred years ago. That, paired with the eventual decline of everything, makes me feel alright.

[–]bradyo2 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You are thinking way too much about life