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Why do women truly believe they are the "mature" ones? And why does society go along with it? (self.asktrp)

submitted by Nex54

For as long as I can remember, I've been hearing how "women are more mature than men", "women reach maturity way earlier than men", and so on.

In the last six months, I got access to many private conversations between women, and man do all the red pill concepts prove themselves...

First and foremost, the gossiping. Jesus fucking christ, why do they have to complain about everything? At work, in private, everywhere, whenever they don't like something, they complain with other women, no matter how fucking stupid or ignorant it is.

At work, they go as far as wasting time without working (ehm, facebook...) and then complain that they are overloaded with work and can't keep up, LOL.

And of course, they always "keep it real": it's always someone else's fault, they never contradict each other nor call each other out on their bullshit, and they absolutely never admit they are in the wrong, socially wise.

However, one thing I was missing was the "maturity" thing. Besides the "asshole" issue, many of the complaints I read about men involve the fact they are "immature", while the women are clearly "the mature ones". Constantly. They wear it like a badge of honor among them.

Sure, they can't resist looking at you like they wanna eat your face when you "joke" or "keep it light" or act, in their own mind, "immature", but then they need to prove themselves in private to their friends about "your maturity". And the funny thing is, taking things lightly and not making a drama out of everything allows many of us to shine all the time, instead of worrying about making sure our pal knows the other guy is "bitchy", like they do...

I've read private messages from very intelligent women, and they always end up aligning with the trend inside the female group. Always.

tl;dr: Why is that? And where do they pull this maturity crap from, when it's them acting irresponsible, emotional and illogical whenever a guy or woman doesn't fit their "world view"?


[–]1Pink1Stink 53 points54 points  (15 children)

You're overthinking it. Women mature sexually faster than men.

Simple as that. They've only got so long before the wall.

[–]lukmeg 39 points40 points  (7 children)

Not only sexually, also socially. Girls brain develops social skills earlier than boys brain. Its almost as if nature has designed women to be able to manipulate the workers, the men.

[–]writewhereileftoff 13 points14 points  (5 children)

Agreed. Women also prefer older partners and largely mirror the behaviour (hobbies,interests) of their partner.

[–]Nex54[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

And what about women who go as far as marrying guys who are younger?

[–]writewhereileftoff 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes what about them?

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You stated one thing, I've also noticed the opposite. What changes on those?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The world isn't black and white. There are shades of gray. Not every single person is exactly the same. Yeah there are some women who marry younger men, but they are outliers. We are speaking in general terms of the majority population.

[–]Nex54[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Oh, you are right, I wasn't referring to that though. From their conversations, they are clearly referring to the "personality" of women versus men.

For example, even if the aloof asshole manages to pull off incredible crap, they still label him as "immature", no matter how successful he is. That's what I don't get, considering they are also enjoying his personality...

[–]RJJR1993 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Never heard of 'It's not what people say, it's what they do'? Once you learn this concept, you will look at women completely different.

Women in general 'claim' (by saying) that they are more mature, but if you look at their behavior, you will see why that won't make sense.

[–]alphabachelor 5 points6 points  (2 children)

'It's not what people say, it's what they do'

This is something that has saved me time and time again.

I always pay attention to what a woman says on a date then watch her carefully to see if she can "walk the walk". Very few do.

[–]RJJR1993 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm actually curious about that example. Care to elaborate on it?

[–]alphabachelor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've met women who claim they're independent yet depend on subsidies from ex-husbands, parents, etc to maintain their lifestyle.

Claim they're frugal (this is an important characteristic for me) yet spend money on unnecessary discretionary purchases frequently.

Claim they "don't seek attention" yet have thousands of selfies on their Instagram.

The first dates are extremely important if you are planning for a LTR.

The more she talks the better. I try to get her to talk about herself as much as possible while I sit back and listen carefully then see if her walk matches her talk.

This is also a good strategy for co-workers, friends, etc. Anyone you are looking to have a long term meaningful relationship. If someone does the complete opposite of what they say constantly then you know their word is dogshit.

[–]Metalageddon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Women talk. That's all. Ignore their words and watch their actions

This advice works for everyone, women are usually more extreme in practice, but it's an excellent rule for judging anyone. Merit.

The number of times a plate has tried to "bring me down to her level" sometimes directly after I slapped her around or choked her to the tune of her begging for a cumshot is ludicrous.

They'll say pretty much anything to feel secure in themselves. I'm not certain they even realize it.

[–]dalex0504 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women hitting the wall put a smile to my face. Better find a beta buck quick or you're screwed HAHAHA.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill 28 points29 points  (8 children)

In all aspects, women mature earlier—but in the long run, men end up being smarter, stronger, more self-controlled.

Men and women have collectively made a pact: Women claim to be more mature and “better” in all respects—and men pretend to believe that's true.

It's easier to humor someone's self-deception—and potentially take advantage of it, as we red-pillers do—than to fight that self-deception and delusion.

CRP

[–]RunawayGrain 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Women mature earlier, and also mature less than men.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely right. Upvoted this answer.

[–]lukmeg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

... less than some men.

But yeah, spot on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's easier to humor someone's self-deception

Elegantly put

Do you happen to know any reading material regarding this? I mean, an article or even a video where I could see in action how somebody would go on about this in a conversation, feeding somebodys self deception?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good points.

Girls at 12 to 15 are much different than their mostly gangly and awkward male counterparts. They all notice this collectively and talk about it.

I think this partially cements in their mind throughout life that this is just true forever, despite the changes that happen.

So, you have a 5'2" wife that is a home maker talking shit to her much bigger and more accomplished husband and she probably reflects upon her earlier experiences as some justification.

[–]freelyread 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it is unlikely that women would say to Alpha males, "Be more mature."

men end up being smarter, stronger, more self-controlled.

It would be more precise, accurate and helpful if you had instead written:

"men (many men) end up being smarter and stronger (though this comes at the expense of many other men being more stupid)"

Essentially, the normal distribution is tighter for women than men. This is an evolutionary strategy favouring mere reproductive ability for women, but exceptional desirability for men.

[–]FlexGunship 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Men and women have collectively made a pact: Women claim to be more mature and “better” in all respects—and men pretend to believe that's true.

It's the same thing you do with a child.

[–]Coach-Red-Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do they say “Women and children first”? Because women are children. Once you understand that, you've understood women.

[–]perplexedm 13 points14 points  (4 children)

[–]exit_sandman 6 points7 points  (3 children)

This basically explains it.

One might argue that women mature earlier (which isn't wrong), but if we didn't live in a WaW-society, the parts that don't cast them in a good light wouldn't be swept under the rug all the time.

[–]perplexedm 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Testosterone drives men to explore attempts at matter which interest them, some comes out good, some douche moves depending upon upbringing of the person.

Women are generally risk averse except in deciding mating partners, etc. and they think being lazy laid back is 'mature'.

[–]freelyread -1 points0 points  (1 child)

What is the rationale for the argument that women are risk averse *"except when deciding mating partners"?

[–]redaftrp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hormones...

[–]RPAlternate42 11 points12 points  (0 children)

1 word:

Solipsism.

[–]circedgirlsarecleanr 9 points10 points  (5 children)

To be fair, ever since I took the Pill, I've noticed men suck. They do a lot of stupid shit, and seem to be heavily influenced by film, tv and fictional characters in their quest to be validated.

What women believe is not relevant because men being awful seems to be more absolute than it is relative.

[–]alphabachelor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yup.

Our society wants mediocre men as a way to keep them locked in and compliant.

The only power women have is their sexual value. When a man is able to rise to a point where he can challenge it, they have nothing. Hence the focus to keep men in a permanent man-child state.

[–]BrodinsOats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm reminded of this passage I recently read in Nietzsche's The Gay Science:

Will and willingness.— Someone took a youth to a sage and said: "Look, he is being corrupted by women." The sage shook his head and smiled. "It is men," said he, "that corrupt women; and all the failings of women should be atoned by and improved in men. For it is man who creates for himself the image of woman, and woman forms herself according to this image."

"You are too kind-hearted about women," said one of those present; "you do not know them." The sage replied: "Will is the manner of men; willingness that of women. That is the law of the sexes—truly, a hard law for women. All of humanity is innocent of its existence; but women are doubly innocent. Who could have oil and kindness enough for them?"

"Damn oil! Damn kindness!" someone shouted out of the crowd; "Women need to be educated better!"—"Men need to be educated better," said the sage and beckoned to the youth to follow him. — The youth, however, did not follow him.

It seems the youth chose the blue pill.

[–]Nex54[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, ever since I took the Pill, I've noticed men suck. They do a lot of stupid shit, and seem to be heavily influenced by film, tv and fictional characters in their quest to be validated.

This is true, but I wasn't referring to that sort of men. I was referring to the sort of guy who doesn't take things seriously, on the surface, but "somehow" is still successful in life and so on. That "somehow" = good alpha qualities.

[–]chachaChad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've noticed this as well. Most guys are fat, men children walking around in ill fitting, baby like clothes with unkempt hair and no sense of pride just looking at their phones.

It's really hard for me to go to the movies because of being surrounded by all the fat hams who shovel shit into their mouths for an hour and half. Jesus... at some point, there has to be a limit on how much food a person can stuff into their mouths.

[–]Ou-tis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a "theory" about this topic. Aside the other factors ,like girls maturing before men sexually and socially and women use the label "immature" towards men like a game of power, I think that women are so insecure about themsevels,so lacking of sense of humor (that stem from intelligence) thay are so concerned about every stupid details that they lack the will to be fun. Women aren't funny because their head are full of competition,envy,dislike about themselves and so on. They take everything too seriously,maybe because they living in a costant anxiety or fear. o they call men "immature" because they can't understand why men sometimes can go light about things like birds on a three.

[–]Nergaal 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You are assuming that the majority of men are better than that. Most men never "mature" to the level of TRP concepts.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True. I came to this sub about a year ago and was disgusted as the first post I saw was constant berating of women.. It just made absolutely no sense. Howeveer, I've read a few other posts here that was very enlightening.

I've seen a few other "retarded red piller" posts, but that seems to be due to low IQ on the posters behalf. I wont give these posts mind as they seem to be vitriolic.

[–]Mr-Ed209 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it comes down to 'perception' based on social market value. I use the terms winner/loser for lack of a better expression.

Most men are considered 'losers' in societies eyes until their 30s or later, after they've acquired a career and 'status' only then are they deemed to be 'men'. This harsh judgement i think is what results in a lot of the depression in young guys these days, they're judged so absurdly for not 'having it all' right away. It's not just women who make this judgement, it's other men as well. Ever tried being a STEM graduate working with guys who are in trades. There's an attitude of; Ah so you have a fancy degree but you work along side me, you idiot, you should have learned to plumb pipes rather than study particle physics, you would have your own house by now. There's always a distinct lack of 'seeing the bigger picture'.

Compare that to women..

So you're a skinny 25 year old working part time as a cashier. How's things with your boyfriend? Has he bought you an expensive engagement ring yet? He really should have got his shit together by now.

Or a skinny 25 year old who's single. Ohh you're just 'having fun'. I'm sure you'll meet somebody soon.

You could say both men and women are deemed 'mature' by society for being wife/husband material. Unfortunately​ the standard to be 'husband' is not your birth right like 'wife' is for most women. You have to be a 'doctor' or a 'lawyer' before you're considered a good candidate as a man.

[–]out_looking_in 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In the last six months, I got access to many private conversations between women

I've read private messages from very intelligent women

You're not going to give us context here? How are you getting access to private messages between intelligent women?

[–]Nex54[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm smarter than them and got access to it on a regular basis. Can't say more, but it shouldn't matter, right?

[–]E_Rico700 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Females mature faster than males do.

Males mature more completely.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women mature faster, men mature longer.

[–]randarrow 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Because in modern times they mature sooner. Didn't used to be true, women hitting menarche before 15 is a recent thing due to diet.

But, argument against this is, just because they mature sooner physically doesn't mean they mature more. Typically the faster an animal matures, the less it matures. Never said this, would have to hate the woman involved, but the thought that comes to mind is:

Yeah, roaches mature faster too.

[–]frogNews 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Similar to how dogs loose wolf traits and look more like puppies?

[–]randarrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't figure out if I like your analogy or not. Could go both ways. More like Chihuahuas mature faster than German Shephards, but Chihuahuas mature less.

Was thinking more along the line of Axolotls.

[–]freelyread 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I seem to remember reading somewhere that something a man might say to a woman before marriage, but never *after is, "Be serious."

[–]quicklogaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is that? And where do they pull this maturity crap from, when it's them acting irresponsible, emotional and illogical whenever a guy or woman doesn't fit their "world view"?

They have a very strong criteria to judge, and men don't. They They FEEL a call towards motherhood. Since they FEEL that, and that is their end goal, they rationalize that anything that leads towards a suitable environment for that goal is "right", and what doesn't lead to that is ultimately a waste of time. It's VERY natural to them.
It's not like they can grasp that's just their world view. If you bother to explain to a chick you don't feel that urge or that call, you get two reactions.
Average chicks hear it as if you're saying "well, you NEED to breath, I don't", as if you're a stubborn idiot. Smarter women hear like "well, you can't live on chocolate because you get fat, I don't get fat therefore I can", as if you're saying something preposterous that will bite your ass at some point and you will inevitably learn the truth.

[–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do the math . . .

The vast majority of women will support this position on the grounds of "hooray for me." Normal human behavior.

Then a large number of dweebs and white knights will pile on thinking they can curry favor.

Add the two groups together and you have a large majority. Tada.

[–]Raehtik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anything, women mature faster sexually and socially because they have to deal with the opposite gender a lot more. Guys swarm attractive girls from a young age - they have to filter thru hundreds, if not thousands of guys a year. They get very good, very fast.

If I could make that many approaches as a male, I'd get really damn good too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women mature faster than men in the sense that they peak earlier, but men mature for longer and peak higher.

[–]youcantdenythat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alot of good comments here, you also have to remember that most men are not mature alphas.

[–]SirAttackHelicopter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And since when have feminist society and ideals ever been logical?

[–]recon_johnny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Welcome to reality.

Now you know.

[–]chachaChad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In the last six months, I got access to many private conversations between women, and man do all the red pill concepts prove themselves...

I want to know more about how you got those conversations. Sounds like have access to e-mail at work.

[–]Nex54[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nothing like that, and I'm not gonna tell you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because a tree species grows more quickly in its first several years does not mean it will grow to be the tallest tree.

Women mature more quickly physically and psychologically because they are the limiting factor to human reproduction.

Nearly all great philosophical and scientific works are by men.

Older men are more likely to be a fount of wisdom than old women, in my experience.

Draw your own conclusions.

Why do women communally talk shit on men and point out little points of insensitivity and then claim to be the mature ones together? They got little else as a group. Just imagine having a big ego like them and also being like them. What would you do to survive mentally day to day?

[–]SlyAM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A girl I work at the same place as is horrible. She dinks around all day, ignoring her work or doing the easy stuff. Sometimes she'll call another coworker to come in and help her because she doesn't feel like busting her ass. That coworker and I both think she is lazy and uses her pussy as a way to avoid her responsibilities.

You've just got to except that's how society is nowadays. It sucks but you can't change it. It is quite stupid how having a vagina grants you so many passes and privileges in today's world.