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Do you see any way to simultaneously be able to live a committed Christian life and get married, but avoiding a situation where you become the classic pussywhipped husband? (self.asktrp)

submitted by Jomurgand

Have spent my life like a pendulum.

Trying at times to do the moral thing and getting naturally screwed over by women. With some cynicism after that, I moved to treating them like crap and even telling them directly "I don't know why I bother still talking to you, not like you have much to say" and yet they'd still come back like sad dogs groveling. Then, I couldn't stomach my guilt at doing that anymore and flipped back. And play that zigzag life a few times. That's me.

I've recently decided I am done caring about the world. I am completely tired of politics (used to be passionate), tired of business (just attended today an 8 hour Expo convention fake smiling to a hundred people, while wanting to die inside), tired of stupid meme shit hobbies like fooding, travelling/tourism to the Nth venue, and have even just left my gym an hour ago midway through my squat day as I just didn't care enough to hang around and do cheap flirting with the Nth yogapants, which is my motivation to complete 2h30 routines usually.

TRP was a good utility in my life, allowing me to understand how little there is to hope for in humanity. Will always vouch for it working if asked.

Yet, I simply don't see the point in living like this anymore. A treadmill of trying to be ever cooler, tell myself having a good career matters while I don't actually need more money, and tying my sense of self worth to the extent at which women with firm butts out of squatting in the gym are willing to fuck me. I can't answer to myself anymore why I live like this

I am tired of all this crap. I just want to try to live a simple Orthodox life and become a simple person that just does good without any hope of reward. I want to believe there is some way to be happy in this.

That being said, I am sure you can appreciate how bad of a predicament it can be to try to do this and still somehow hope to be married. Seeing as religious women come generally in 2 flavours, hysterical dogmatic zealot that will make your life a permanent trial, and hypocritical fake religious thot (using religion to legitimize her own sense of ego and good girl delusion while having the same whorish nature of all others), I'd like to ask you today: Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?

It's fine if you don't see any way for that to happen. Maybe learning how to be celibate is the one challenge ahead.

But still wanted to ask. Cheers mates.


[–]1alpha-zach 146 points147 points  (51 children)

Op, I feel you.

Christian. Rp. I’ve been in your same boat. Here’s the answer.

I always wondered why the patriarch looked sad. The posters in school always said “Smile! You’ll make someone’s day!” So I smiled a lot. I was pretty solidly happy. But couldn’t figure out why the strong men in my life generally didn’t smile.

Scripture says, “wisdom brings sorrow.”

You’ve found wisdom in TRP. You’ve been blessed with something few get to taste and could never handle. You know the truth.

The patriarch knows the truth. He knows that the world is an incredibly evil place. He knows that happiness is a myth. He sees through all the nice guys and knows women are just big children. He knows he can’t trust anyone. He knows that when people are nice to him, they are just trying to get something from him, even if it’s just his attention, even if they rationalize away their selfishness; they are just trying to take.

And so he is sad. I’m convinced the patriarch can never be truly happy.

His position in life is to die for his family. In a very Christ like manner. But it’s a slow death.

The patriarch’s position is to take the bullets of the world while wrapping his protective arms around his family. In doing so, he creates a tiny little fantasy world for his wife, children, even grandchildren to live, play, smile, and be happy.

He can’t talk about his feelings because then he would ruin the fantasy. He can’t explain the truth because it would ruin the fantasy. The same way you protect a small child from horror films, you protect even your wife from the truth of life.

And they get to be happy while he slowly dies.

The closest the patriarch can get to happiness is by living vicariously through his family. Seeing them smile and live in paradise, happy, never knowing the truth, gives him pockets of happiness. This is what scripture calls joy. It’s not happiness because happiness is a delusion. But to smile when a child gets excited about drawing their stick figure, something that is absolutely meaningless in reality, is the meaning of joy.

TRP takes me back the the garden of eden over and over. Every TRP idea can be seen clearly in the first few chapters of genesis. And once again, the idea of the patriarch brings me to eden.

What the patriarch is really doing is undoing the curse and repenting of Adam’s mistake by taking responsibility for it and taking the burden of the sin.

In the garden, Adam ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The patriarch embraces this wisdom, deals with it, and creates a little garden of eden for his family. He continually gains wisdom, the knowledge of good and evil, in an effort to become greater and greater so that his physical, financial, and emotional strength can protect his family from the truth.

In protecting them from the truth they reenter into a state of ignorance. The original state of Adam and Eve, and get to eat exclusively from the tree of life.

It’s hell, I know. But it’s reality. The last shall be first.

[–]AmazonExplorer 27 points28 points  (3 children)

This is a true breadpill, I am now one with the flesh and blood of our Lord.

[–]BlackFire68 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Breadpill... this is the EXACT term I will assault male Christianity with

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately there is already a r/breadpill sub as a joke.

[–]PM_ME_UR_1ITIS_SNAP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure you can make a request to own a dead sub

[–]SlyGradient[M] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Good comment, point awarded.

[–]Retstortion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this post

[–]Fryguy48 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well done.

[–]damaged_goods420 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a beautiful post

[–]kylerosa21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was super eye-opening. Having grown up Catholic, I never really related TRP to Catholicism. The way you described things made a lot of sense. Thank you

[–]1RPLawyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was moving.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I can't agree with you 100%, but I admire your synthesis.

[–]blackchucktays 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is very well written. Great post.

[–]Jomurgand[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Thank you for that. I think your post made it worth opening this thread. I have had those thoughts sometimes, talked to my family on them. Think I haven't been able to accept fully yet that one is simply not able to be happy in this life fully. Maybe a hidden layer of idealism I hadn't identified yet. Instead should aim to accept the unhappiness and just learn to live with it without being consumed by it.

Thanks a ton :)

[–]1alpha-zach 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Gladly Friend. It took a much pain for me to stumble across this explanation. My hope is it provides comfort to you as you experience the same.

You don’t have to simply learn to live with it. You can embrace it.

Jesus despised the cross but looked forward to the glory set before him. (His place in heaven and a spotless bride)

Great men are forged in fire, it’s the privilege of lesser men to light the flame.

[–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I will certainly try to remind myself of this very fact each day, probably failing at it due to weakness and childish desires. It's compatible with a quote I like from St. Silouan the Athonite, "Keep your mind in hell and don't despair".

[–]1alpha-zach 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Have you figured out yet that 99% of your prayers are just shit tests targeted at God?

[–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I don't pray for anything other than strength to repent more and forgiveness for what I've already done + trying to show gratitude for all what I've been given.

I think I've not played in years for any specific thing or event or so.

[–]1alpha-zach 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There’s a lot of variation in denominational teaching but the current evangelical norm is to basically shit test the crap out of God with your bitchy moodiness. I’m still trying to shake that habit.

[–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely believe it. I'm fortunate that after all my teens and early 20s as some basic bitch atheist, I found Orthodoxy instead, and a teaching is to pray primarily for repentance.

[–]GeuseyBetel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Firm atheist here but this is awesome.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Father why hast thou forsaken me.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 5 points6 points  (21 children)

God doesnt want you to suffer for a women or for anyone.

[–]1alpha-zach 7 points8 points  (20 children)

True. Sort of. But for arguments sake, let’s say it’s true.

God doesn’t want anyone to suffer because he doesn’t care, He’s not a nice guy. He simply gives us the options and allows us to choose what we think is best for us.

I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; Deuteronomy 30:19

[–]CMajorThe3rd -2 points-1 points  (19 children)

Ill be honest with you my friend, I was raised a christian but have since abandoned worship when I realised that god doesnt need me sucking up to him trying to act all good and holy while also trying to seduce women and make money.

I dont want to test your foundations, but you cannot follow the christian doctrine and the red pill at the same time.

Christianity demands you worship an idea, redpill shows you why you should be worshiping yourself.

[–]1alpha-zach 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I can very seriously understand your choice. Mine is a different path, but I respect yours all the same.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It just depends on what you want. I have bad news about having your christian cake and eating the red pill too.

While I can respect the idea of religion I cannot respect the idea of wanting it both ways, happy to be proven wrong but we both know that other peoples expectations for your relationship with god is going to prevent you from being what is one of the corner stones of Christianity - a man in servitude.

[–]1alpha-zach 4 points5 points  (1 child)

There’s a lot of subtleties here but I disagree with your conclusion. If you live anywhere near Florida, I’ll be glad to sit and discuss in detail over a glass of scotch. Pm me.

I’ll have to summarize for now.

Red pill and monogamy aren’t mutually exclusive. Very briefly dread can easily be applied without adultery. Options and the power behind them can be embraced without exercising the option. While having actual abundance is easier than simple mental abundance, it’s not required.

Marriage is the hardest game of all, particularly in our society, hence the wisdom of previous generations in establishing strong patriarchy to protect weaker men from hypergamy and solipsism. But hard doesn’t mean impossible. And Jesus made clear the concept of the narrow road.

Other people’s expectations has zero bearing on my religion, relation to God, or my red pill.

Honesty and openness are different concepts, even if nice guys, manipulative women, and the church at large don’t get that.

My position is that what we culturally recognize as the church is a hot bed of sin, eve worship(Adam’s true sin), and weak people. What Jesus calls the church is a spattering of less than 1% of the population. That remnant will ban together in times of rampant sin or intense persecution, which is surely on our door step. The sheep will be separated from the goats, the wheat from the chaff, and the true church will emerge.

Red pill has variations and nuances. Understanding reality and utilizing it, doesn’t preclude sin or compromise.

And lastly, I’ll be honest. I spin plates. I’m not a fan of it. I wish I were stronger, but to date I have not attained this. But it doesn’t hinder me from recognizing the truth about Christ, even if I’m not who I want to be yet. Does this make me a hypocrite? Some might say so. But I look at the biblical patriarchs, men riddled with sin and consequences for their sin. Murder, adultery, drunkenness, deception, etc. And they shouted to the world, the truth about themselves, documenting in scripture for all of humanity to see. That He might become greater, and I lesser.

Addition: A man in servitude. Yes. In servitude to the true Alpha, Jesus Christ. It is the worldliness in the church that desires servitude from a man to a man. With the obvious exception of the general order found in a structured organization, this is not of God.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like your take on TRP and the Bible.

It is very similar to my own and it's nice to see that there are others out there with similar vision.

[–]Jomurgand[S] 3 points4 points  (14 children)

redpill shows you why you should be worshiping yourself.

Why would I worship so incredibly finite and insufficient like a human being (myself) ?

Basic Church of Satan thing you got going there. What will it accomplish in the end?

[–]lookoutitscaleb 0 points1 point  (6 children)

If you really think about it the Bible is Consciousness (Let us make man in OUR image) knowing itself.

We wrote a book about a God "we" "created" (metaphorically speaking). The Bible is a text book guide for us to learn how to BE.

One of the most PROFOUND things that Jesus said was I AM THAT I AM. Not I am in a state of becoming or I was... I AM. We are supposed to be like Jesus. When we believe in Him we are alive in Him. WE are one with HIM and THE FATHER. It's not a self worship but in a way it is. Don't put your flesh before the spirit but one does not exist without the other. Your own image of GOD is flawed in and of itself. It's about your relationship with HIM not the IDOL/IMAGE you have made to worship.

The BIBLE to me is a guide. What is Man's Chief End? To Glorify And ENJOY HIM Forever.

The Bible was also written by MEN with Bias' not JESUS or GOD but by men, with Divine inspiration. When Someone inspires you do you create exactly what they told you or do you make your spin on it? We all do.

I'm trailing off here and maybe u/CMajorThe3rd has a different view than myself. I'm don't mean to appear to defend his argument. Only to share my thoughts on the matter.

Cheers.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Its great that you have found power in another power, props to ya and all that.

all I can offer is this idea, there is no such thing as right or wrong, there is only what serves you.

So, with that in mind, do you have a mission or a goal and does it serve to that end when you mix science (trp) and religion and at what point were you expecting them to work well together?

[–]lookoutitscaleb 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I do and my mission is one the transcends both my own beliefs and this reality. It's pretty convoluted but it's basically like an asymptote. Science has proven when we accomplish things we become depressed because we no longer have something to strive for. So I have a goal greater than just basic accomplishments. Obviously I have a goal and small goals to accomplish along the way that aid in that end but it's a never ending journey. I'm not religious but the fact that we as a whole have written certain religions and they have lasted this long is basically the same to me as science. It's just a different type that serves a different purpose almost more on the Sociological and Psychological side of science. Group think if you will is how I perceive it and utilize it to my ends. It's not for some man made "god" or "religion" its more of a purpose. The fact I even have the ability to create a purpose means I am greater than X. No other creature can do that. The fact I even get to discuss with someone their ideology means there is truth and transcendent meaning. (what that is I don't know for FACT but I have my ideas as does everyone else which is kind of the whole point)

:)

I don't know if that answers your question or not.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I did not, but ya did get to express yaself there. So thats something :)

[–]lookoutitscaleb 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hmm I reread your comment and maybe I can do better. First off the concept that there is no such thing as right and wrong is not true.

Raping a 5 year old child is wrong.

Science and religion to me are one in the same. Ways for us to interpret the world around us. They're different branches of the same tree. They worked together for me once I realized that and started using them to my advantage instead of fighting the current. Flow like water my friend :)

[–]CMajorThe3rd -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I will accomplish the things I want without holding my own ideology in my way.

Hail satan :)

[–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

You die in the end, you remember how this story ends right? Nothing accomplished here matters for its own sake in this story.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Do you really believe that the time you spent on earth had zero impact on anyone?

[–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What about it? In an atheist framework, being remembered positively, being remembered negatively, or not being remembered at all is all the same to me. Unable to notice it, just like unable to notice anything else.

[–]CMajorThe3rd 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have you considered that it is your perspective that is not serving you.

[–]menial_optimist 0 points1 point  (1 child)

He continually gains wisdom, the knowledge of good and evil, in an effort to become greater and greater so that his physical, financial, and emotional strength can protect his family from the truth.

What truth?

[–]1alpha-zach 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The patriarch knows the truth. He knows that the world is an incredibly evil place. He knows that happiness is a myth. He sees through all the nice guys and knows women are just big children. He knows he can’t trust anyone. He knows that when people are nice to him, they are just trying to get something from him, even if it’s just his attention, even if they rationalize away their selfishness; they are just trying to take.

This is just a few truths.

In TRP terms think of “the truth” as the info that started the angry phase after being unplugged. And the same info that creates a perpetual slight irritation even after the angry phase is over.

Simply put. The world is evil and we’ve all been deceived into believing it’s about puppies and rainbows.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn. So many layers of putting TRP in the context of family..

Bookmarked to come read this again and think about it. Thanks.

[–]DirtyBastard13 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mankind was never supposed to eat of the fruit, and Adam and his descendents were punished dearly for that knowledge. No matter what a man does, it is never enough for the lord because that man was concieved and born in sin( crap he can never clean off) Adam fucked up so badly that a part of God himself had to pay for it or humanity would have to be destroyed were God to remain Holy.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I’m a Christian and have a sweet submissive wife. She’s not at all kooky but has a real, genuine faith. I thank God I married a Christian. Can’t even imagine marrying one of today’s radical feminists who are obsessed with “equality.” I married a wife, a helper, not a competitor.

[–]IronboundAbyss 4 points5 points  (1 child)

That's what I found in my fianceé. She's submissive and god fearing and always wants to become better with me, but of course gives me shit tests. It's never really out of spite, that's just what she does every now and then and so far as long as I'm curt and straight forward our relationship keeps getting better. I'm curious though, from your experience when you first got married, was there a flood of shit tests? I hear people all the time say stuff like," oh she's sweet now... wait till the honeymoon" if I hold frame will it still suck?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yes, our marriage was a quite rocky for the first year...or two really......it took us a long time to get adjusted and looking back there was one shit test after another.......and of course this was long before I found rp so I handled it all terribly. I just shake my head at all the years I screwed things up...our relationship since rp has been amazingly good. Incredible how a simple word "no" can do a marriage wonders. If nothing else, learn to use that word...and learn the art of telling her what you want.. She might not say anything but she'll love it...

And about shit tests -- I see them as opportunities....it's a bit of a game for me. It's an opportunity to smack something down and flex some muscle....not in an a-hole sort of way, but just in a manly way....so don't worry about shit tests...just role with them...learn from them....fine-tune your game. amazing how if you play the shit test right it'll make her pussy marinate.....and then later it's game on.

[–]talexanderc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sure. Few manage to do it though

[–]JRebirth 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Honestly I think once you accept TRP you have to understand you cannot derive happiness from anyone else but you. Its a shit feeling to realize you will never be able to fully hand yourself to anyone because the perfect One doesnt exist. But its a part of the contract you made with the devil.

So IMO, yes you can find someone who will be loyal to you till the end (circumstancial loyalty), there are some out there, but I doubt you will ever truly trust her 100% after knowing women's biology and psychology. So I dont think you will ever feel truly fulfilled even after you find the one you think is 'the one', because you will be deriving your happiness from an unreliable source (another human being). And thats an iron rule: true happiness must come from within, from yourself.

You are the only one you can really count on till you die. Because it is your interest to survive. There is love from others, but true inconditional love is not reserved for men (except when it comes from mothers, and even then Im not 100% sure). Living beings thrive to survive, not to love.

[–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good message, thank you very much.

[–]Phoenixston 13 points14 points  (12 children)

Suggest you try r/RPchristians for better advice.

[–][deleted]  (11 children)

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    [–]RunawayGrain 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I Corinthians 7:8,9

    Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

    So I'd say the ancient notion of marriage isn't so ancient. Mostly because it was treated more as a property transfer between families until about the medieval period. Complete with a contract that spelled out who got what in the event of a divorce.

    [–]RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And once they do:

    Ephesians 5:22-33:

    22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

    23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

    24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

    26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word,

    27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

    28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

    29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—

    30 for we are members of his body.

    31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b]

    32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.

    33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

    [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    but I feel like that sub hasn't fully taken the RP because they're clinging to an ancient notion of marriage. Marriage just doesn't work right now because of how society is. Maybe someday things will somehow get better and men can marry again, but that day is not today.

    How do you propose we rear the future of humanity without marriage?

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      [–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Extramarital liaisons aren't welcomed by Orthodoxy.

      [–]1alpha-zach -1 points0 points  (5 children)

      Tomassi seems to be doing fine.

      Maybe the problem isn’t marriage.

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        [–]1alpha-zach -1 points0 points  (3 children)

        Straw man argument.

        I’m not suggesting it’s easy or safe. But it’s good.

        [–]CMajorThe3rd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Its a great tool to help raise children, like money or intelligence.

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          [–]1alpha-zach -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Again. Strawman. But I’m not gonna be a douche and keep saying strawman.

          You made a greater argument against something I never suggested was true.

          Following your train of logic, 80% of men are beta and can’t bed more than handful of women in their life. Does that mean you resign yourself to betadom due to statistics? Or do you choose to rise above?

          Separate note: if you think rollo’s wife is with him cause of the money, you’ve got a lot of reading to do.

          [–]2chazthundergut 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Yes. Live like Solomon.

          [–]DirtyBastard13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Have multiple wives who eventually lead you astray and your sons tear your kingdom apart? /s

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Ecclesiastes by Solomon is a great book. I really recommend it to anyone. Allows you to see nothing in this life is worth much.

          [–]tslextslex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          "Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?"

          Yes. I did 25 years ago. Lots of guys do.

          One thought: If you wanted to catch a fish, you'd probably spend your time at sea, and not in wheat field. You have to be where women like the woman you want are found.

          [–]TheBlondeWarrior 7 points8 points  (10 children)

          Probably will get hate for this. I never understood how one can be a christian and accept red pill truths. Being raised a Jehovahs witness i understood the bible well. Christians are the definition of blue pill beliefs. The golden rule, belief of something without evidence, the world view of a believer. These are all narrow minded dogmatic beliefs. I agree the bible has certain principles and quotes that may be inspiring or stoic. Yet accepting that we are a product of evolution and that we are all animals does not sit well with most christians. Call me fucked but karma or judgement day doesnt exist. This doesnt mean you have to be amoral but if you "sin" today... There will be noone judging you or punishing you. Understand that living a "good" or "moral"life doesnt have to be religious.

          In terms of women.. Nature and Nurture. In terms of nature... Women will always be women. Wrong situation, wrong feelings, wrong timing and a great women can stab you in the back. Nurture is where you can durastically increase your probability of finding a suitable mate. People are animals just like dogs are. Have you ever met a dog that was neglected and beaten? Very aggressive compared to one that was sheltered, taken care of, properly trained. We are the same.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

          Yet accepting that we are a product of evolution and that we are all animals does not sit well with most christians. Call me fucked but karma or judgement day doesnt exist. This doesnt mean you have to be amoral but if you "sin" today... There will be noone judging you or punishing you. Understand that living a "good" or "moral"life doesnt have to be religious.

          Obviously it doesn't. If one is an animal then anything about humanity is just as empty as the doings of animals without reason. And any appeal at not mass murdering people becomes non-sensical, since there is nothing of qualitative value in living people after all.

          [–]TheBlondeWarrior 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          You can make the argument of "it doesnt matter if you shoot up a school" about anything, its literally just the glass half empty perpective. Nothing matters or everything matters? Just a different view. So animals have no point to god? Just food for us right? Hahahaha. Dinosaurs, evolution, all just a joke right? Religion really is the perfect weapon. You can literally control people by telling them what to do.... Take their money.. And keep them content with being miserable... All while keeping them in fantasy land immune to any logic so that and rationality is snuffed out before they even have the slightest doubt. Beautiful isnt it

          [–]TheBlondeWarrior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Wasnt it king solomon (wisest man/pussy slayer) who said that everything is meaningless in Ecclesiastes 1?

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It probably is the only thing holding back people like me or some of my friends from illustrating my point about a world with no objective ethics.

          [–]TheBlondeWarrior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          To each his own brother. I wish you the best

          [–]RPAlternate42 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          I'm done listening to anything you post since you believe that you can't have a moral compass without religion.

          If you argue that there is nothing that prevents me from commiting mass murder because I am an atheist, then i am scared that the only thing stopping you is your belief in a supernatural being.

          I haven't committed any mass murder or any other atrocity *because I don't think there has been any moral reason to do so. But based in your argument you only haven't because God.

          Rue the day you don't believe in God because then YOU will truly have no moral compass save for that within a denounced religion.

          Your God is a crutch and an excuse. The number of atrocities caused by man in the name of God far outweighs the number of atrocities carried out as a result of there being no God..

          nowadays, when a man yells "God is great" and triggers a bomb vest, he is called "crazy" and the "no True Scotsman" argument is applied to him. I posit that any action done in the name of God is crazy and it is less crazy to simply do something because you wanted to do it.

          Last night, as I was leaving the gym, I helped an old woman cross the street in her wheelchair and get her on the sidewalk; she was crossing without a crosswalk, traffic was coming, and she was moving too slow. So I ran across the street and pushed her across, got her on the sidewalk and asked her if she needed anything else.

          Did I do this in the name of some God or arbitrary set of morals from said God? No... I did it because I believe that doing these kinds of things is healthy for the psyche, adds to the common good, and is the behavior of high quality citizens and human beings.

          You, however, would do it because you think God is watching and will judge you... I did it because I am my own best judge.

          Moral courage is doing that thing that is correct even when you aren't being watched. Christians, by definition, can never have true moral courage because anything they do is motivated by God's judgement.

          Do right and good because it's right and good and not because your sky wizard may be unhappy otherwise.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          then i am scared that the only thing stopping you is your belief in a supernatural being.

          It might be yeah.

          [–]Yngwie_is_god 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          If there was a god as described in the Bible there would be no need for red pill. Christianity/religion is a blue pill wet dream.... I wish it wasn’t that why but realizing there isn’t some magical sky wizard is just another one of life’s red pills we have to swollen.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Iron clad proof for the existence of God based on internet atheists ("The Argument from Douche")

          P1: if a maximally douchy entity exists, there must be some transendant, countervailing entity which embodies all that which in not douchy. Otherwise, douchiness would have overwhelmed the universe.

          P2: non-douchy things exist, such as Jesus, America, freedom, baseball, Ronald Reagan, etc.

          P3: at least one maximally douchy entity exists (proven by internet atheists ).

          P4: maximal douchiness does not dominate the universe based on the existence of P2 + sunsets, babies, Chuck Norris, etc.

          P5: the transendant embodiment of maximal non-douchiness, which allows for existence of P2, must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, and omnipotent, in order to overcome the maximal douchiness of P3.

          That entity is what classical theists call God.

          [–]1alpha-zach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol. This fantastic.

          [–]matrixtospartanatLV 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          My answer to your question is..

          Yes, I do.

          Your faith is shit.

          Your entire post says,

          “I believe in the GOD of the universe, but even HE can’t find a worthy woman for me in this Tsunami of feminism.”

          Oh ye of little faith.

          Paul said it is better to marry than to burn (with passion?).

          I swallowed the pill almost a year ago.

          This is what I tell my 5 sons..

          Nothing gets better with marriage.

          Absolutely nothing.

          There is only one legitimate reason to marry.

          When you DO get married, that becomes your baseline.

          If you continue to improve, get better in every way physically, intellectually, and spiritually, then you have a reasonable chance of success.

          If you get married and think the race is over, retire to the couch with beer and pizza, then your marriage will decline as you do.

          There IS hope.

          But that hope has to come from hard work, faith, and understanding.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          “I believe in the GOD of the universe, but even HE can’t find a worthy woman for me in this Tsunami of feminism.”

          I don't think like this. Nothing bad in my life is God's fault. But I agree otherwise with your message.

          Thank you for taking the time.

          [–]Scuzzin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I know a very strong Christian family. Patriarch, Wife, 2 sons, 1 daughter. They are the most pious/noble/strong/good-hearted/etc. family that you can be in today's society. The men seem really happy, but I can see the unhappiness on the women's faces now and again. I think this means that they devoutly practice what the Bible teaches. Btw, the patriarch and his sons do very well financially, won the genetic lottery, eat healthy and workout like beasts, and are all pretty naturally RP. I believe this is the only reason it works. As for the women, maybe boredom is a better word that describes their expressions. So yes, it seems very possible, just seems to take hard work and starting a family with the right woman.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thank you for your message, that was inspiring to read.

          [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I believe I'm qualified to comment on this because I have a cousin who was and is like you.

          He is now 40 years old but has been married over ten years with his wife. I know both of them very well.

          His wife is a hb7 still in her late 30s with three kids. His wife does go to church although she is not over the top Christian as my cousin. Meaning my cousin actually guest preaches at church and sometimes shove his Christian shit down our throats. Although I admit he got much better the past three years.

          So the wife is as close to a unicorn as you can get. I honestly don't believe she would ever cheat. Yea they might get tired of each other (more on this later), but I don't see her cheating like most skanks out here.

          Why? Because no one will take her side. My cousin is a damn near square so he's not going to cheat. I seriously doubt she would and if she were to, it would fuck up the family up bad. She has a good, she's a stay at home mom but does work part time for insurance rep.

          All this sounds good right? Sounds like the wife and married woman you want?

          Well here comes the problem. She nags alot. And I'm sure she nags much more when I'm not around. And it's so bad it aged my cousin very fast. Within a blink of an eye after their six year of being married my late 30s cousin got old fast. And it only continued from there.

          If that's what you want then go for it. But women are women and they demand alot of attention and they want their way. That's just how they are. Not to mention those kids are no joke either. The thing is they have great kids, but it's still alot of work.

          Now with all the women I personally met in my life, I can honestly count on one hand as marriage material but I'd be lying to myself saying I could see myself living with them for the next 40+ years. Yea fuck that.

          With all this said, you're never going to be fully happy in life. Don't think getting married to a good girl is going to make your life all peaches and roses It doesn't.

          [–]waylonw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think, like a lot of fellows on here, you forgot or misinterpreted what TRP is about. It isn’t just about slaying pussy, as any PUA can teach that.

          It’s more about being the best MAN for yourself you can be. Once you do this and take your own masculinity back you will see all other things fall into place as they should.

          In regards to the title of this post, read your Bible. The Bible is full of instances in which men are men and in fact it is encouraged to be head of the house hold. You are designed to be the leader...

          [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Seeing as religious women come generally in 2 flavours, hysterical dogmatic zealot that will make your life a permanent trial, and hypocritical fake religious thot (using religion to legitimize her own sense of ego and good girl delusion while having the same whorish nature of all others), I'd like to ask you today: Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?

          You just answered your own question.

          TRP is about what works. We didn't select the material based on conformance to any ideological preconceptions, or preconceived notions. We simply followed where our observations led.

          If that clashes with your preconceived notions, that is your own problem.

          When you start testing things in the real world to see what works, all of your beliefs, all of them, are immediately on the firing line. You don't get to pick and choose.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          When you start testing things in the real world to see what works, all of your beliefs, all of them, are immediately on the firing line.

          TRP plate-spinning isn't working for me, that's the point. I don't actually feel any happiness from this.

          [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          So get yourself a girlfriend and try that out for a while.

          [–]Kokanada 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Comment from a serious Buddhist here. I am struggling with the same basic problem. What I learned from the Red Pill so far is pretty disheartening. It doesn't encourage me to aspire to a virtuous life.

          What you wrote reminded me of a specific term we have in Buddhism - Samvega.

          Explained here by the american monk "Thanissaro":

          "Samvega was what the young Prince Siddhartha felt on his first exposure to aging, illness, and death. It's a hard word to translate because it covers such a complex range — at least three clusters of feelings at once: the oppressive sense of shock, dismay, and alienation that come with realizing the futility and meaninglessness of life as it's normally lived; a chastening sense of our own complacency and foolishness in having let ourselves live so blindly; and an anxious sense of urgency in trying to find a way out of the meaningless cycle."

          If you're interested, you find the whole text here.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Thank you so much. That definition is exactly what is happening to me.

          [–]Kokanada 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I don't want to proselytize. I totally respect your faith. I want to recommend two books though:

          Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond

          The Noble Eightfold Path

          These books focus more on the practical aspects of the buddhist teachings and I think you can gather some valuable ideas, which you can easily integrate into your own christian practice without "polluting" it.

          [–]AloofusMaximus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Personally I think TRP principles are antithetical with most religions for various reasons. I also like to delineate religion and spirituality.

          It sounds to me, OP, that you need an overarching life mission. The actions you're taking in life, don't necessarily satisfy/justify the "meaning". Religion fills that void to some degree (the God hole type situation). Finding your mission can help you orient yourself to have meaningful actions.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Quite a good train of thought to explore. Thank you for your message :)

          [–]CaptainBW 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          In all likelihood, no. When I see posts like this (the want for marriage, Christian values, etc) I can’t but think to myself, “Have these guys even read ‘The Rational Male’?” Back to the basics 101. Time to reconcile your own desires with a brutal Mother Nature. Your big happy Christian family and marriage is idealism. You can strive for it, maybe it works out, but don’t base your happiness on some type of blue pill fantasy.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Time to reconcile your own desires with a brutal Mother Nature.

          What for? Nature isn't good enough. A basic mammal existence without any meaning nor reason.

          [–]CaptainBW -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          Nature is part of the Deity’s Creation. To say it’s “not enough”...shameful...though I understand your dismay. Life is Suffering after all. But Man, you believe in Christianity and yet you are lost at the same time. You are so close to the light, I do hope you find it.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I do hope for that too, it's clear there's something I'm missing still.

          [–]UsefulPsychology 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Read Nietzsche - The will to power

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Have. Was an atheist Nietzschean neo-nazi once.

          [–]FlyingSexistPig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You have fundamentally misunderstood the red pill.

          The point of the red pill is for you to understand women. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. It sounds like you're looking for a unicorn.

          The religious zealot just wants you to lead. She will follow where you lead. If she makes your life a permanent trial, then you have failed in your leadership: she isn't qualified to judge you. She's trying to follow the good book, because she doesn't know what else to do. If she instead follows you, then it'll be better for everyone involved.

          A strong red pill man is a godsend to any woman. He makes her feel secure because he has his business handled. The much bigger deal is that she can follow him where he leads because he understands the world. A good woman will make a good first mate on your life's voyage. You can give her tasks and responsibilities, but it's your job to captain the ship.

          A red pill man doesn't seek validation from others.

          When I lift, I lift for me. I don't care what the guy next to me is lifting. I don't care what the people around me think about my lifts (unless they have genuine pointers to improve form). I'm at the gym to make tomorrow's me better than today's me.

          I see the thots and the moms at the gym, constantly on their phones or with a cloud of orbiters around them. One girl had two orbiters that were helping to spot her on her lifts. I think she occupied the bench press for 30 minutes and did a single rep. She was constantly talking to the two guys, who seemed to be happy to get her attention. My only thought was that they wasted their 30 minutes on this thot.

          [–]Wrath_of_Trump 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I don't think you can reconcile the two. To actually believe the bible means you're committing adultery every time you even look at her "that way". Even if that is true in the autistic sense, you know there is nothing you can do about it, and you're going to feel guilty for the rest of your life over something you can't really control. I think there's a lot of good lessons in the bible about being a man and how to treat other men with dignity, but trying to construct your life around it will eventually lead you to a different kind of talmudic misery where you'll never feel good enough to live as some idealized man whom you aren't. But what do I know, if you want to go to church and do the liturgy and feel good for a bit, that's your business, but you will have to reconcile everything eventually.

          Personally I think you've just hit a demotivational period in your life where a holier-than-thou ideal looks appealing, sort of like an oasis, but when you get closer you realize there's really nothing there. Godspeed.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          To actually believe the bible means you're committing adultery every time you even look at her "that way".

          Not at all. You are referring to Matthew 5:27,28. First of all, the word translated as "woman" in that verse refers to a married woman. This is consistent with the Old Testament Jewish law where adultery was having sexual relations with another man's wife (i.e. another man's property). And the word translated at "lust" refers to more than seeing a woman and thinking "she's hot, I'd like to bonk her". It is akin to "covet" (also consistent with Old Testament Jewish law) where one mentally formulates a plan and desire to have sexual relations with another man's wife.

          If you are an unmarried Christian man and you are looking at an unmarried Christian woman whom you are considering for marriage, you had better be having sexual thoughts about her.

          [–]Wrath_of_Trump 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          considering for marriage

          You lost me there. But you can go to what Paul said about marrying because of passions, I think the intent there is clearly about wanting after women. And sure that's good advice, wanting after women for that sake alone in "ancient" times probably looked a lot more barbaric than it does today. But I'm saying that if you want to live in the world as it is, and you are constantly setting boundaries that make it difficult for you to even engage with it, then you can't go around complaining about how hard it is. It's what you signed up for, take it up with your boss.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I don't know what you're getting at. It's entirely normal to be sexually attracted to women and to have sexual thoughts about women. The passage in Matthew 5:27-28 is not condemning having sexual thoughts. It is condemning coveting another man's wife (for sexual purposes).

          But I'm saying that if you want to live in the world as it is, and you are constantly setting boundaries that make it difficult for you to even engage with it, then you can't go around complaining about how hard it is.

          Christianity is not about not engaging in the world as it is. Christianity is not about retreating to monasteries and withdrawing from the world. Christianity is also not about complaining.

          [–]BlackFire68 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The part of TRP that is incompatible with Christianity is primarily Dread. Gaming won’t work without that, so the sex part really doesn’t work. Without sex as a motivator, does TRP work for either gender?

          [–]marlybarrow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Read up on the traditionalist schools of christianity.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          Trying at times to do the moral thing and getting naturally screwed over by women / That's me.

          You've been well trained to be a beta.

          A treadmill of trying to be ever cooler, tell myself having a good career matters while I don't actually need more money, and tying my sense of self worth to the extent at which women with firm butts out of squatting in the gym are willing to fuck me. I can't answer to myself anymore why I live like this

          You have to live by your own values, TRP cannot decide this for you.

          I just want to try to live a simple Orthodox life and become a simple person that just does good without any hope of reward

          Then do this. Do good for the world. Get no reward for it (which you know will happen). What's the problem? Most people will let you do things for them for no reward, so have at it.

          Unless of course this is a covert contract and you expect some other reward. Then you have a problem.

          That being said, I am sure you can appreciate how bad of a predicament it can be to try to do this and still somehow hope to be married

          Yup, this has obvious consequences.

          Is there any hope in the prospect of finding a wife that will allow me to be as kind as I'd like to be, while still being ready to be helpful enough, playful enough and loyal?

          Any hope at all? Well, we might discover an alien planet in which women are like this. Or all the laws of all the countries of the world might change at once and make women predisposed to.... but really, there's no hope at all of this, give it up now.

          Maybe learning how to be celibate is the one challenge ahead.

          I don't get the leap from "marriage is a bad idea therefore celibacy".

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I don't get the leap from "marriage is a bad idea therefore celibacy".

          There is only celibacy and marriage.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          hahaha you're so fucked. And not in a good way.

          TRP is about sexual strategy, not celibacy and divorcerape.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Why am I fucked? Celibacy is praised throughout history as a sign of being blessed. Across cultures and eras.

          What is the point of racking up scores of women? I get laid, have a few days of ego boost. Then feel nothing had changed inside me. Stuck like a kid going nowhere.

          [–]jb_trp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Maybe, but nothing is guaranteed. I know solid families at my church, they seem genuinely happy and the women are committed. They are devout in their faith, but not kooks. But who knows what life is like behind closed doors?

          Time is not on your side, however. If a girl is religious, solid marriage prospect, and wants to get married and has a family... The longer time goes on, the more of a red flag it becomes. Is she going to settle for you after spending a decade of her life rejecting every other man?

          I had a girl, and we would go to church every Sunday and read our Bibles and pray together. It only lasted 9 months and she branch swung to some other dude (they're married now... Good luck to him).

          I'm in my 30s. Honestly, I've stopped worrying so much about women. I want to have a good life. I want to be happy and able to retire, and make an honest living. Any chick keeping me warm is a bonus. I'm not expecting them to stick around.

          [–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You seem like you could be depressed.

          [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If you don't want to be pussy-whipped, religion can actually HELP you, because suddenly, you are not coming at sex from a place of thirst because you recognize that sexual desire relates to the body's desire to reproduce, and is therefore "false" in the sense that it can mislead you away from loving someone by tricking you purely into thinking you love someone when you what you really feel is lust, be it chemically induced from natural attraction, or from media brain-washing. You can be attracted to someone who you abhor, as you have already figured out.

          Now that you know this, you are free to select a woman based on character, and not appearance. And you can marry her. She may not be that attractive though, but you never know. Of course, if you want to indulge your lust, you can always masturbate to porn or fantasies on the sly, or find a mistress. TRP may allow you have to be able to pull off this sleight of mind, but then if she finds out, she'll think you a hypocrite. So be sure you are really willing to commit, and not merely suffering from a temporary case of burn-out and thus looking for a different type of peak experience.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorcholomite 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It all comes down to how willing you are to walk away and how much she stands to gain if you do. The more she has to gain from you leaving, the less she will respect you and the more she will shit test you. If she knows that she will be losing something valuable (status or money) she will maintain a level of respect and things will go a little better.

          It's not impossible to be married and still stay alpha, it's just a lot harder.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It all comes down to how willing you are to walk away and how much she stands to gain if you do.

          Quite true. Have been made to see that it really boils down to this, in a nutshell. The best of girls can go sour the moment she feels she has more options.

          Thank you for your post.

          [–]DirtyBastard13 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          No. Christianity by definition requires submission-to God and precludes having sex before marriage, and unfaithfulness (ie side plates or making your wife fear you'll leave her) and requires that a man be pussywhipped and tied down and subject to a church (which tend to be overly feminized). The Christian is a slave to God. The red pilled man is his own master.

          Religion works for the benefit of women, and the clergy (who are supported by tithes) and the elites who use it to control society.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The Christian is a slave to God. The red pilled man is his own master.

          Why would I choose a finite weak human being instead of the Absolute as a master to serve?

          [–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 0 points1 point  (6 children)

          Your post is full of nilistic crying.

          I've been married for 11 years.

          You are the problem, women are women. Be a fucking man and get your shit together, stop feeling defeated, worthless, and hopeless. Literally get your shit together and lead some bitch to this imaginary expectations realm you keep fantasizing about. With this attitude you might as well go celibate.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          What would in practical terms entail getting my shit together?

          [–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          A short list for getting your shit together:

          1.Stop focusing on women, and focus on your self.

          Fuck them, and fuck trying to pick them up. You are getting burned out, which is just destroying your life. Being nihilistic is self destructive and drys pussies up.

          Go back and reread some of the shit from here that focuses on make the man a better man, women will come to you and you won't have to validate yourself.

          Seriously, why the fuck would you quit your leg set....and throw in the comment about yoga pants...are you trying to pick bitches up at the gym??

          Focus on your work out at the gym(you), not god damn women.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Making progress in that front then. Think I don't want to hit on any woman nowadays.

          Thank you for feedback.

          [–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Good on you then!!

          And for the record, I'm not trying to back an asshole to you, I'm just trying to be straight and stern about it. Like I wish someone would have been to me.

          I'm dead serious about this advice, women will find you if you just focus on advancing your own life, it's how women are programmed.

          And don't think for one second that this shit end when you do get married or in a serious relationship, this game never ends and you need to always put yourself first...there is a reason they tell you to put your oxygen mask on first when a plane is fucked up.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You're quite right, yes. One can never believe confidently that people will stand by your side no matter what.

          [–]TheSupr3m3Justic3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          If you learn anything from this subreddit, it should be that a true woman will stand by a true man.

          And I can vouch for that now that I've been in a marriage for as long as I have, but it would have failed if I didn't find this subreddit and these words, 100%.

          You have no control over women, but you have complete control over yourself and how much of a man you are or will be.

          [–]RedPilledRoaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Chances of that happening today are probably worse than winning a local lottery.

          [–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yea move to a country where women still belive in Christ basically anywhere in Latin America. Can't have a Christian marriage if your the only one believing.

          [–]IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Have you actually read the Old Testament?

          Multiple wives, genuine patriarchs, heroic deeds, and taking no shit abound.

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sure, but the point remains that they were tasked with making marriage work and were punished for adultery. Whether David or Solomon, blessed kings once, disrespecting marriage leads to God removing his blessings from you.

          [–]1alpha-zach 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Is that Greek Orthodox?

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Orthodoxy in general yeah. Greeks and Russians are the most visible faces of it, but it's not restricted to them at all. Just far less known and harder to find people in it. But do recommend ofc ;)

          [–]GeuseyBetel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Probably an unpopular here, but religion is part of the BP narrative IMO.

          So I'm gonna say that while it's possible, it's a bit contradictory. Yes, TRP will teach how to get girls, but it's part of a much larger scope that involves rejecting the narratives of BP society (such as religion).

          [–]RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Ephesians 5:22-33

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          i don't know. can i still believe in the keebler elves and avoid becoming a pussy-whipped husband?

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

          Can I still believe putting bullets in people's skulls is wrong and avoid becoming a pussy-whipped husband? Pure faith after all too.

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

          wtf

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          All morality is pure faith. Faith without evidence. Want to live in a world we only act based on what we can prove materially?

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          All morality is pure faith. Faith without evidence.

          stupid fucker no it isn't. you have mirror neurons that make you feel empathy towards people. it's why you cringe when you see someone face plant, and why you scream at scary movies. codifying a system that reflects that empathy has nothing to do with faith.

          and if you believe in god you're fucking retarded

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Biological tendencies on their own don't mean anything. The point is normative, not descriptive should be vs be.

          Don't get emotional like a little kid swearing online.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          and so fragile you can't handle swearing

          but jesus and the frosty the snowman are totally real, bro

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I just try to aim for Dispassion in my life. Effeminate emotional behaviour is a problem.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          it appears that way

          [–]Cloudsurf89 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I don't know you and this is just a self portrait snapshot of your life but here's my take on it:

          At several points throughout your post it points towards you relying on IOIs and opinions of others for your validation and motivation. The main goal of RP seems to be to rely on yourself for validation - become more OI and make self improvement your goal.

          As for the Christian side of it - 🤷

          [–]Jomurgand[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thank you, yes. Think I need to shield myself better from external validation.

          Thank you for your time.

          [–]ReefaShark -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          Maybe find a former fat girl

          [–]Retstortion 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Those are the biggest sluts

          [–]ReefaShark -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          You are clueless. All women are sluts, the worst of which are certainly not fat girls that got skinny through legitimate means. If anything they’re the only women that have seen their worthlessness if they lose their attractive qualities, and know how to make changes. In today’s world, that’s about as much as you can ask for.

          [–]Retstortion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Lol you understand how many times a fat bitch has been pumped and dumped?

          You’re delusional

          [–]ReefaShark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why is everyone on this sub so adamant about shit they don’t know and just assume? Obviously EVERY girl below an 8 has difficulty getting commitment and is thus pumped and dumped often. I’ve already agreed they’re sluts, but if they were fat in high school and a bombshell by 19, there’s a damn good chance that not only is their n count a fraction of the average for a girl their age, but that they have the significantly rare female qualities of determination and self control. Also, a fat girl that is validated by desperate dudes is less inclined to change, whereas the chunk no one talks to gets an insight: people will walk all over you if you do not provide value.

          You don’t have to agree, but the type of women that gain weight young and then make a change before their wall are a step above the rest. Still plate only material unless she proves otherwise, but you cannot overlook them “cuZ slUts MuH” when we all know there’s no such thing as a good girl, just ones that haven’t been caught yet.