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Feel silly asking this, but did anyone begin to be more curious and learn to love learning once you were finished with the education system? (self.asktrp)

submitted by Wakka_Grand_Wizard

I am by no means the smartest person in the room but I do try to get the upper hand by observing the situations I find myself in. I do not know whether it is because I am done with education (for now) or because of my break up (that forced me to change a lot) but for some reason, I always have questions. Thank goodness there is the internet. This brings makes me wonder, why aren't people irl helping one another to achieve greatness but rather bring one another down? It is as if you have to have "talent" and/or "connections" first before anyone bothers helping you.

Apologies if I cannot articulate what I am thinking clearly. It just reminds me of the paradox of asking someone irl "how do I become social?". Because one asks how to be social, it shows that they are not social in the first place. This then works against them, as it makes them the "weirdo" or "outcast". Though when you do learn how to be social via books and other mediums if people irl find out, they call you "mechanical" or "manipulative". In the cases of schooling, if you get "extra" help by private tutors, some view that as cheating. Yet when you do ask classmates that know more (if they are not naive) for them to help you, they do not want to share it (unless there is a gain for them too). Also, when one would ask a teacher "will this be on the test" or "well, what is the A* example?" they will never just be direct. I recognise that perhaps it is because I did not enjoy going through the education system that makes me so critical of it. I am not against it per se, but a child/teen/adult needs to have point-by-point goals to make the most of it. I did not have that, unfortunately. Furthermore, it does not help when there are classroom politics involved. For instance, everyone has ascribed labels of stupid, smart and average. I do not know about you, but that does not make me want to learn. Isn't learning supposed to be cooperative rather than competitive? I do not know, but it just feels wrong. I understand that competition is natural but it did not make me love learning. I feel that without all the politics, class systems, gradings, and so on, I enjoy my time learning/reading about things that address the questions I have. In some ways, taking red pills (after the initial rage period) has made me enjoy life since I do not have to have the burden of Atlas upon me. If dating is somewhat similar to my dislike of the education system, it is no wonder that I have learnt to enjoy who I am and love myself.

mmm makes me think of how "chasing" is more fun than actually obtaining a girl's affection. I guess what I am trying to say is if I have to constantly compete to keep a girl's affection, what is the point? I mean sure, short-term flings are fun but then I wish nature wasn't so petty. It also reminds me of how just being human is not enough. If being human is not enough, then what is? It is fascinating how when a child begins to realise that they may not be good in the eyes of other people, how stressed out they begin to feel.

Overall, much like being out of the education system has enabled me to love learning, being out of the "relationship game" has made me less stressed. Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. I hope I made sense. I have been on the Redpill/MGTOW journey for the last year and a bit. Just thought I would post here to ask questions, thoughts and ideas. Thank you for reading and all the best.


[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Didn't read this long arse post, going merely by the title but yes, education after the school system is over becomes far better. You can move at your pace, rather than at the pace of the slower people. You can expand on areas you enjoy, divulge in areas you've been curious of and drop any subjects which are just plain boring/unhelpful.

[–]UncleChido 11 points12 points  (2 children)

The real education is after school. At school we just read for the grades.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I was always curious as to why "Life Skills" wasn't a class. You know, paying taxes/managing finances, politics and divulging into all needed knowledge there e.g economics etc.

I'd say the early school system is a glorified babysitter company who teach a pupil how to "just" be a just decent working class slave.

[–]alamsohel1990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same thing comes to my mind everytime I think about education system

[–]IAmWhoISayImNot 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This. I finished electronic engineering but after uni wanted to learn coding. Spent some time after hours studying, learnt at my own pace, and now work as a mid level dev who doesn't hate life.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, i was the opposite. School killed all motivation for me, went on to have a "questionable" lifestyle after that until that got boring. Now i work a minimum waged job which requires fuck all of my time, whilst running my own business at the same time and study in between clients.

Pulling in 2 wages with no student debt when i was always described as a future prison inmate as a teen, puts a certain spring in my step.

[–]IAmWhoISayImNot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats on proving those people wrong!

[–]willowhawk 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Couldnt be arsed with your wall of text.

Answer to the title. Yes.

[–]minoc_uo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like to read non fiction

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Big time. I look back and think, "There was a time in my life when it was my JOB to learn"

Of course, they don't teach you useful shit. I mean, I'm really glad I learned about Parallelograms. That has been incredibly useful for Parallelogram Season that just ended on 17 April.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (2 children)

This brings makes me wonder, why aren't people irl helping one another to achieve greatness but rather bring one another down? It is as if you have to have "talent" and/or "connections" first before anyone bothers helping you.

Don't count on others to help you.

I've had jack shit help from people. People "help" others selfishly. I can get a job offer fairly easily, but only because it benefits them to employ me.

People see others as below them (not worth helping) or above them (don't need my help). There isn't much help available.

It just reminds me of the paradox of asking someone irl "how do I become social?". Because one asks how to be social, it shows that they are not social in the first place. This then works against them, as it makes them the "weirdo" or "outcast".

Right.

Many people who've been clearly socially fucked up.... have also betrayed me when I've tried to help them. Fuck that shit... I've learned that this ideal of "great person with shit social skills" is not usually the case. Far more common is that your social instincts are correct and they really are low value and don't deserve your help.

How often do you help someone and they turn round and help you back? Basically never.

Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. I

You're coming at life from the point of view of a dependent, a child, perhaps a woman. You're basically saying "It's so unfair that the world doesn't provide for me".

[–]Wakka_Grand_Wizard[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Fair point. I would admit, perhaps I come from a viewpoint of a child, but it could be all three. Idk, I guess there are some things that I am really naive about and I am working on it. I have always wondered what life could be if everyone banded together for the common good instead of fighting. It's true that no one owes me anything, not that I expect it. The world certainly does not revolve around me. I am just on a personal journey to better myself.

Idk about you but I always hunger for a mentor or someone as honest as you are. No bs and all. I guess at the end of the day, "be the change you wish to see" applies heavily to what you said. Thank you for the response dude

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have always wondered what life could be if everyone banded together for the common good instead of fighting

This is the narrative. That we "should all pull together". Mostly this left thinking is either a trick to get other people to do more than their fair share of work, or (more likely in your case) it's said by people who do not have high status or economic value wanting to get in on the action.

Certainly from the point of view of well established/rich/successful people this looks like a fucking terrible deal.

My mother always insists everyone should pool resources and work together. While she does fuck all work and shares nothing she owns. She doesn't even know it herself, but it's based entirely on self interest. "What's mine is mine, what's yours should be shared because we're a team".

instead of fighting

Most people spend little time fighting. And many people DO work together, often within a company or an organisation (so that ownership, resources and responsibility is well defined). Otherwise how do you enforce what people get as a result? People are deeply selfish, so how do you get people to work together? Trade/money/ownership is a good way. The older you get, the more you see the benefit of this.

Idk about you but I always hunger for a mentor or someone as honest as you are.

They're hard to find. I'm on a journey to understand and improve. Other people's journey is different. I'd love a help and mentor with some of my life stuff, but there are very few people better than me at the things I want help with. Perhaps I should look harder.

No bs and all. I guess at the end of the day, "be the change you wish to see"

Absolutely.

applies heavily to what you said. Thank you for the response dude

Anytime.

[–]Iwannachokekatie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I barely remember anything from school. All I know I have learned myself on my own behafl and out of my own interest after getting out of the school system.

[–]RisenFromBelow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well you can learn what you want to learn. You aren't being forced to learn something and aren't graded on it. In school, if you fail, you have to repeat it until you pass; In life, if you fail, you can either try again or do something else

Most of Math is completely useless in day to day life and there's no reason to learn all these complex equations.

[–]Leviticus59 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't read that big-ass block of text, but yes, learning can be interesting, motivating and fun throughout your life, particularly after you've figured out your mission/calling.

The most successful people in any field spend however much education time and money it takes to rise to the top.

[–]xXSoroxXx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya, I had to "unlearn" the modern education system to really thrive.

[–]judethedude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I enjoyed your post, I followed the line of thinking. There’s this weird duality in nature where people aren’t necessarily bad (read: selfish) yet they aren’t always good...I don’t buy the view that people only help others if it’s in their own best interests yet it’s easily observable, as you mentioned, that people behave selfishly. And I agree it can all feel futile at some points.

[–]Avesatanie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me it was better. I learned all my life better alone, and after university I study what I need or what I like. Without the stress of a test about some crappy and obscure math demonstration.

[–]yesbuthereswhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn’t read your wall of text either but yes. I use Allison, Coursera, Lynda, and Khan Academy.

Recently I’ve taken organizational behavior from coursera.

6 months ago I did a supervisor course from Allison.

I’ve probably clocked well over 100 hours of videos from Lynda. I’m big into leadership, business, and management courses.

Khan academy I use the finance/economics for personal/work needs, looking into learning physics because I’ve read that it develops the mind to think fast and abstractly and I’m looking forward to checking out art and history.

I’ve been like this for years and it’s one of the reasons I can talk to anyone about literally anything. Not everyone is into it but for those of us who are it’s like candy.

Edit: I read your wall of text. I realize that it’s 4/20 so this may have something to do with your wall of text but god damn buddy, go take a literature class and structure your thoughts more clearly.

[–]SKRockies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found i enjoy university far more than i did highschool, my profs dont beat around the bush about anything and arent afraid to say whats true and whats not because it might offend someone. Everything is presented honestly

[–]cenie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]LateralThinker13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Education Systems across the western world are incredibly feminized. It's a rare school where boys are taught and encouraged like the girls are.

So no, it's not surprising at all.

[–]Cloudsurf89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Must be 420 😆👍

[–]SoulRedemption 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't read your post but going by the title. Definitely yes. Some of the books that we 'had' to read in highschool became more enjoyable later on in life. I think as we grow some of those things we look into in the last are visited with a changed perspective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

did you graduate high school or college?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes education teaches you useless skills that you will never use.

If I could choose my classes, I'd load up on STEM and programming classes.

Cut out English, gym, etc in highschool. Math and Science are required for 4 years of highschool. Then you're free too choose as many business, STEM, programming, and pre-med prep electives as you want.

[–]daymi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This brings makes me wonder, why aren't people irl helping one another to achieve greatness but rather bring one another down? It is as if you have to have "talent" and/or "connections" first before anyone bothers helping you.

We are competing against each other. It might not be as noticeable as in the days of old - but it's true. If we do want to cooperate for mutual benefit, we form a corporation.

You have to have some value to some other person for them to help. If not, the easiest way for someone else to "raise" his relative value is to lower your value. If you are in a group of low-self-esteem people then the people in the group sabotage each other in order to keep all values constant.

It's the mark of the mediocre to do the latter and you have to be very careful not to get dragged down. Because when you stop improving, you decline. So improve in private and have independent "social" (or work; if you are high enough "social" and "work" cease to be separate) circles. If I were only a mediocre cubicle-slave as the recession hit, I would have lost my livelihood. As it is, meh, who cares, just call X and I have more "work" than I could handle for the next years and show up whenever I want (because I negotiated the terms). So connections help - they know I can do the work, I know they can uphold their contractual obligations. It's just prudent to do it this way. Think of how stupid the average person is. Now realize half of the population is worse than that. Do you really want to wade through those to find someone reliable without any vetting?

I've tried to help friends to greatness before. One person took it and we became good friends. The others either didn't take it, or just slacked off, or ignored me or shittalked me. My time is limited, that's not a good payoff.

makes me think of how "chasing" is more fun than actually obtaining a girl's affection. I guess what I am trying to say is if I have to constantly compete to keep a girl's affection, what is the point? I mean sure, short-term flings are fun but then I wish nature wasn't so petty.

Overall, much like being out of the education system has enabled me to love learning, being out of the "relationship game" has made me less stressed.

After being in a long relationship all I want is NOT have another one. There is so little upside. The shit tests never fucking stop.

As for education, you have to understand that public education is financed by the state and serves the state. It's not the same as being an actual researcher / going to conferences / meeting kindred spirits AT ALL.

[–]Westerncaesar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! Psychology and history (especially war history) are my favourite things too keep learning about. Also obsessed for some reason with the mafia, fuck knows why. I just am!

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

school isn’t for boys anymore bud

there’s a reason it wasn’t interesting to you. it’s becoming more evident today as boys are punished simply for behaving like boys, and rewarded for behaving like girls. in many cases now, boys are just sedated with attention deficiency medication and forgotten

mainstream is beginning to notice: https://youtu.be/LrhHkQhglig

[–]tudor07 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hell nah boy I ain't reading that shit