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How do you find motivation to keep on living, especially once you've figured it all out? (self.asktrp)

submitted by Li0nhearted

Serious post. I'm not looking for pity or something here, I'm genuinely curious as to how you guys find motivation to keep going on? What is it that drives you to welcome tomorrow? Why?

 

I'm 26 currently (male obv), I've been on TRP and related content for 5 years now. I feel like over this time with the help of TRP I've figured out not only women, but life too, how to lead a successful life, how to achieve success, how to be great at socializing, how to get the girl, how to be alpha, confidence, gains, experiences... But now, it's like I see the blueprint of everything, and it all seems so dull, nothing is exciting anymore. The world is absolutely not how I thought it was years ago. Didn't have a real father figure in my life, was raised very sheltered. I was quite a nerd, loved playing videogames, and was happy doing so. Thus I missed out on most of high-school life and early college. After a failed relationship I luckily found TRP and it completely changed my life. Got my life together, got in great shape, got my dream-career, got girls I only dreamed of earlier. And on top of these I achieved nearly all my dreams. However I just can't seem to enjoy anything anymore. I've tried a lot of new things since TRP changed my life, and they've brought brief happieness/satisfaction, I traveled a lot, visited almost all the places I've ever wanted. But all of that was temporary.

 

Girls too. I had/have a lot of success with girls (after taking a lot of L's obviously), but all of it seems so hollow. By now I see the same blueprint all women operate by (or rather very few archetypes), with some minor details differing here and there. And it's just so unexciting, boring, you do X to get Y, they're all wired very similarly, and can be figured out so easilly, they're so predictable.. (and to be honest, I'm very disappointed that they work the way they work) I've been getting bored of gaming chicks, like this a while back and regrettably decided to LTR one, who's details I thought and still think match mine perfectly. I decided to experiment a little, and see what happens if I alter, if I challenge the TRP way of doing things, to see if there's an alternative. (I was happy, even in love, and have gathered many beautiful memories during that LTR.) But nope, obviously not, relationships or anything with women only works if you do it the TRP way. I think when I did this, that was the last breaking point, where I lost any doubt in basically TRP, and how everything works in life. For example from that point since I'm convinced that women don't feel "love" only a strong sense of attraction, a primal drive of trying to survive, be protected, stuff like that.

And at first I thought "cool, at least now I know for sure everything is definitely the way TRP said it is, no doubt, good learning experience, now I know everything works". But now I'm like "I know how life works, I know how the world works... And it's shit and boring." I realize life is an uphill battle all the way for us men, and I'm doing it daily, and I was okay with that. But now I constantly think about how everything is stacked against me. I have to be constantly aware, can't be caught slippin, have to grind non-stop, whether it's for a great body, make a living, to get a girl. And then the bigger picture, where the future looks absolutely bleak, a social and economic system, that's designed to keep you down and slaving your whole life, housing market that's making it impossible to get your own house, and fucking founding a healthy family seems literally impossible, since the vast majority of women have become whores, since it's so easy for them to just hop on the cock-carousel with literally no consequences, and if you slip-up just once as a dude, it can cost your fucking family, even your life, since so much power is given to women. Now compare that to women who have prettymuch everything given to them, great support system, courts stacked in their favor, just all-around insane benefits, and they barely have to do anything to get anywhere in life, other than having to tend to their body on a basic level, you don't even have to be a decent human being as a woman in todays (western) world. Like when it comes to sex, as a woman you don't even have to approach or do anything remotely that requires real effort, just look decent, you open your legs, and can find a dude within 1 second that would fuck you, prettymuch any dude you want. And as for relationships, barely anything again.. Any girl can find a decent dude who will take care of her...

 

Anyway, regarding my daily routines, the only thing I have motivational problems is basically to keep on living. I get shit done, I still go to the gym every day, I still give my best at work, I still game chicks, I'm still constantly improving my self in various and new ways, I still hang out with friends, but it feels like I'm doing all of it out of habit. And every day it crosses my mind, "why should I keep on living in this shit world? Especially since everything is stacked against me? I'm not even having a good time..." and sometimes I take it even further and start thinking about how I missed out on high-school and my early youth due to being raised so sheltered, it feels like the best part of my life has already been wasted and just makes me want off myself even more. Nothing seems to matter, and I feel like even success doesn't bring me joy/satisfaction.

So that's basically it, I know it's pretty deep, but seriously, what's the reason to go on? Esp. against all odds? What is it that drives you to go on?

TL;DR: Had a lot of success in my life (mostly thanks to TRP). Achieved almost all my dreams. Figured out everything, and now everything seems boring, shit, and meaningless. Can't find enjoyment in anything anymore.


[–]GhostYourself4IDo 56 points57 points  (14 children)

You sound like you’re in the depressed phase. The, “there is supposed to be more to life,” phase.

I remember that 3 and half years ago. When I was in it, I did some pretty sick shit. Started to risk my life a little just to feel. Just be careful.

P.S. you haven’t figured shit out yet. This comes from someone a few years older, who has been around TRP much much longer.

[–]Li0nhearted[S] 13 points14 points  (13 children)

well what more is there to life then?

I'm glad to hear there's someone who's gone through this, and I'm greatful for your comment, but you're not letting me in on much. And since you know, what haven't I've figured out yet?

[–]GhostYourself4IDo 17 points18 points  (4 children)

At the baseline level? How about enjoying life? Beyond that, Infinite things.

Because I can’t tell you, you’ll have to see for yourself. And, you absolutely will in due time. Keep your mind occupied for now, continue to push yourself, don’t get anyone pregnant, don’t die, and stay out of jail.

One last thing... If you use the search bar on the main TRP subreddit, and look up, “5 stages of the red pill,” or some variation you’ll see what I mean. You’re def in the depressed stage and like any other stage it’ll pass. Just do what I said above and you’ll be good in less than a year. Also, around that time I remember taking about 6 months off where I didn’t even open Reddit once, never mind TRP.

[–]Li0nhearted[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

got the link thanks. Well I hope you're right, although it still feels pretty aimless. I'll try to keep my mind even more occupied, but I feel like it already is, yet the thoughts I've mentioned in the OP still constantly pop up.

[–]Agrees_withyou 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You're absolutely correct!

[–]megaduff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your comment history doesn’t disappoint

[–]mooksterr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This really hits home for me, transferred to new college and had some health issues. Depression stage lasted for a couple years, but now I finally feel like I'm in the acceptance stage. Phase 4 for me was by far the hardest to get out of & I contribute a lot of my breakthrough from getting on anti-depressants. Crazy how much they can help.

[–]btrpb 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Mate. I'm 40. There is no point to "life". Don't flatter yourself. We are literally just here. We are not working towards a life in heaven, there is nothing else. We just live. And it's a grind.

I have kids so they are a big purpose, but I'm divorced so have plenty of time to myself too. For me gaming women gets boring too. But you never stop.

Once you come to peace with everything it's ok. Sometimes we all get depressed, but overall I am happy. I enjoy the quiet times, and I seek out new experiences. I recently took a days belaying lesson so I can take my kids rope climbing. I've just signed up for a Spanish course to make up for me fucking up French at school. I travel. I explore calisthenics as well as lifting as the progressions are way more interesting.

Not every day is a goldmine of joy, but life is good. But it is what it is. Survival. Nothing more, nothing less. Chill dude.

[–]rp_newdawn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No shit this is one of the most inspiring down to earth set of paragraphs I have read in a long time. Thanks for sharing man.

[–]Li0nhearted[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see, thanks for your comment. I guess I just have to come to terms with it

[–]ThinSpiritual 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was having a conversation with a buddy's boss (they are close and drink together after work). Guy is 45-50, have children who are doing very well in school, and of course making him very proud. However he's not happy with his wife, he didn't say much about it but the fact that he's always drinking after work and not going home shows it.

I once asked him about the importance of having children because we all die one day, and there's nothing we can take with us, so having children is the only way you can pass your knowledge/wealth down (or for some people, maybe they can build a company, an institution, that will live on).

However, he told me that there's is no point in passing anything down too. We come alone to this world, we die alone too. His comment sort of resonated with what you said -- "We just live. And it's a grind."

What's your opinion on having children in relation to what I mentioned?

For context, Idk what phase of TRP I am in, I'm definitely passed my anger phase, but I also feel lost at times seeing the system as what it is.

[–]btrpb 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well. I had a reasonably good marriage. We had our ups and downs. I did some stuff right, some stuff wrong. But similar to your guy, I was drinking a lot; partly a carry over from my teens/early twenties, partly to numb the hard parts of marriage and parenthood.

Now, divorced is a different story, I drink once a week or fortnightly, purely social. I eat cleaner, I work out more. The chores I do are the ones I need to do, not the ones my wife tells me to do.

Kids; it's difficult. I had the biological urge to have them. I love them. But all kids are pretty much ungrateful little demanding shits. I say that even though I have two lovely caring mindful daughters, who I think & hope will be good people in adulthood.

The easiest way to get kids is to get married. But, having been through marriage, I can't recommend marriage. I will never marry again. I am no longer scared of dying alone. So, are you willing to marry to have kids?

The other way is to find a reasonable woman, get pregnant, but never marry her. This goes against the whole grain of society, but honestly, if you can pull this off, I think this is the way. You can be nearby, pay for them, be a good dad. Without the burden of marriage. But I suspect very few people will manage this model.

We are educated to carry on the family paradigm. But honestly, forget your education, look deep into yourself and decide if you want kids. They are amazing. They are also seriously hard work. There is no right or wrong way. Just choose wisely, choose what's right for you, for it is a life decision.

[–]ThinSpiritual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very wholesome comment.
Thank you.

[–]JustChopItOff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep trying new shit until you find what stimulates you. Treat life like a game.

[–]Jay-G 24 points25 points  (3 children)

In the words of Joe Rogan “find something you suck at, and get better at it”!

[–]Li0nhearted[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I've been doing that for a while now, but the enjoyment I get from achieving the point of getting good at something seems really brief to be honest.

[–]megaduff 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Find someone who sucks at what you’re good at and teach them to be better.

[–]fullyincorruptible 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Build something. It’s at the core of our desire as men. We want to create. The more challenging it is the more satisfied you’ll be with what you’ve done. For me it’s cars, guitars, guns, house projects. There’s a true feeling of satisfaction when you accomplish something tangible, that you can hold in you hand. That’s what does it for me anyway.

[–]priapula 28 points29 points  (1 child)

tbh this is why religion exists. There is really no true happiness at the end of the day

[–]Cmdrj-nice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Happiness does exist but not from external factors but from internal

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

This is where the mission part of the situation comes in.

[–]beginner_ 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Exactly. At 26 have reached all his dreams means he a) has no mission and b= is thinking too small. Albeit thinking too big can also be a problem.

[–]room_303 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Another victim of thinking reading red pill will assure you maximum height/jennifer/dick/money/bentley/youth/hair.

[–]eaus1807 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I see life as a ridiculously stupid game and just do whatever I feel like to amuse myself

[–]Freedom__Fighter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Keep your head up my dude. Things always get better and things can always be WAAAAY worse. Maybe book a trip to some other country and go backpacking for several weeks or months if you can. That’s a real sense of adventure. You’ll meet tons of really interesting people, experience adventure, failure, success, new foods, gain new skills. The sky is the limit. It will help you refocus and get yourself back. Best of luck bud, you got this!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (9 children)

You need a hobby, something to enjoy doing. I recommend buying a guitar and using songsterr(dot)com to learn some songs. If you do not find a hobby, you will drive yourself insane.

[–]Li0nhearted[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children)

thanks for the tip. I've recently picked up skateboarding (cause I like snowboarding), and electronic music production. But tbh they all feel like something to just pass time with, something to make the clock tick life away

[–]vtr0 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Get more ambitious. If you’re not at least running/owning a multinational corporation you are slacking off. You could help cure malaria and so much more.

[–]43t20a 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I feel like you can't just tell someone like OP to go run a corporation and cure a disease. It kind of goes with what what the other guys were discussing further up. If life has no purpose, life is shit, humanity is fucked why would someone bother running a corporation or making a huge medical discovery if it wasn't a passion from the get go?

[–]vtr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Follow what you are good at and passion and love for life will follow. If you are just trying to scrape by seeing everything as transactional good luck finding passion and a love for life.

TL;DR do something ambitious you are good at and contribute to the world, and you will become passionate about it and enjoy the respect it brings

Or even shorter: if everything is so easy, why aren’t you a millionaire?

[–]Verstappen3363 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Set goals and with those things, man. Take one step at a time. Release a single, and/or an album. Participate in skating competitions. Shit like that.

Once your goals are completed, set new ones. Repeating this process creates new goals and dreams, then bigger goals and dreams.

To add, if you dream big from the get go, it's easy to get demotivated and caught up in a fantasy. Keep that big dream in your mind, but make it clear to yourself that you need to take baby steps to get there.

This same concept applies to every other hobby.

Oh, and try every hobby under the sun too.

[–]InstigatingDrunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do you have any pets? adopt a dog and make it learn tricks.

[–]Shredderick420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Making music is really fulfilling in my opinion.

[–]ghosts_of_me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really good at skateboarding I can tell you hat its not just for passing time if you're passionate about it. Go to skate parks and try to do things that scare you.

If your skate session doesn't end in exhaustion or injury, you aren't trying hard enough.

[–]HannibalBacara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So set goals within those hobbies. Say I'm gonna perfect my kickflip by the end of the summer or some shit.

Soccer is my main hobby. I play in a pretty competitive league (lots of former D1 players and former low-level pros) during the summer where we play 22 games. I play right wing so I set a goal for myself of 8 goals and 8 assists for the season. We've played 18 games so far and I only have 5 goals and 4 assists but overall this has probably been my best season. A lot of my teammates have complimented me about my play and how I'm a lot more driven than last year. Don't think I would have been playing so well if I didn't write out my goals for the season.

[–]TheBrokenRuler 3 points4 points  (2 children)

You need a purpose- you've figured out how to be successful, now what do you want to be successful AT? You need a larger goal to devote yourself to. For myself, I've dedicated my energy to trying to fix our faulty goddamn government. Some people might be interested in making the world healthier, undoing environment damage, making their own company, whatever- but ultimately, you need a goal larger than yourself

[–]SteveStJohn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've dedicated my energy to trying to fix our faulty goddamn government.

Hi, Sisyphus

[–]TheBrokenRuler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol tru though

[–]Fr3akShow 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Existential nihilism is a bitch. How I deal with it is through altruism. So, I have a podcast where I help people, and I run a Meetup group that helps people. Just improving self all the time is good, but there is a selfishness in it the leads to emptiness (in my opinion). Find a purpose that makes you get out yourself and make difference. You'll feel a ton better. And you don't need religion to do it. I'm an atheist and I have tons of purpose. I also think chasing women around constantly is vapid and boring. One you know you can do it, I find it's sort of boring. I'm kind of like MGTOW "lite" these days. I'd rather do something more important with my life. Yeah TRP reality is a trip...

[–]RedHoodhandles 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Interesting. I deal with it through egoism.

[–]NextForever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same, I’m bazically Jesus Christ in the flesh.

[–]dongpal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I too am 26 and on TRP for 5 years.

By now I see the same blueprint all women operate by (or rather very few archetypes), with some minor details differing here and there. And it's just so unexciting, boring, you do X to get Y, they're all wired very similarly, and can be figured out so easilly, they're so predictable..

And that is ? Do you act a specific way?

how to achieve success

I assume you are a multimillionaire because just getting a dream job is not being successful.

[–]room_303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Getting ANY job is you being a cog in the grand machine, grinding and doing boring shit for nine hours, but on facebook and reddit you call it a dream job and prentend anyway.

[–]kyzen142 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I once heard someone say something really interesting " the law of polarity mean for everything there is a opposite if there is a left there has to be a right if there is an out side there has to be an inside if a stick is 4 feet from left to right it has to be 4 feet from right to left and for every question there is an answer " so the question you probably ask your self how to make a woman whom you love commits and love you back? Well there is an answer out there.

[–]AManIsBusy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like nothing is challenging you. Work dogs go crazy when they don't have work to do. Don't ever try to play the psychologist for yourself. Pick yourself up and do something.

To be fair, I didn't read your entire wall of text, but I think I get the gist.

Another thought is that you need to find morality. If you don't live your life by a code, what are you? Flesh?

[–]thebigpapadragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When all the world seems to be laid bare, it can be hard to see the positives of life. Despite the coldness of TRP and the reality of existence, there are silver linings.

You are still alive right now. Many people died before they wanted to. Died before they could be where they wanted to be. You could die tomorrow or the next day. So too could the people you love. Death doesn't care about semantics.

The secret of why you should want to be alive? The great reason? Because we have been given this chance by nature/god to be self aware. We have this landscape where we can create, destroy and impact the lives of others. If we choose to die it effects others.

Death will come for us eventually. Choose to live and achieve what is impossible today.

[–]Radkin007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is unlikely you have “figured it all out”. The knowledge you know of is not all the knowledge in the world. It looks like you are suffering from a lack of, Wisdom of Ignorance. It’s illusory superiority.

[–]Lambdal7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now, you can quit your "dream-career" and stop being a little dependent pussy on your boss, your boss's boss and the salary from the company you work for 9-5 and try building a billion dollar company.

Can you do that?

You can also look for a woman that is so good that you want to get kids with.

[–]RightNeedsMight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Advice: 1. You're 26, not 46. Your goals will change. 2. You are a big fish in a little pond. Find a bigger pond (also, why are you bitching about housing costs AND bragging about financial success?) 3. I'll give you a project: work with us to rebuild the patriarchy. If these whores are so easy for you to control, try getting one of them to unwhore and have some sons that you can raise to be proper alpha males.

My take on this: This LOONNNNG fucking humble brag post reeks of millennial ennui, and causes me to doubt that you are what you say you are.

Sisyphus pushed the rock up the hill because fuck you this is what he does. That's manhood.

[–]Verificus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is not red pill but rather your overall look on live. What I get from all this is that all the things you do in life currently aren't fulfilling enough for you for some reason. I am a single guy and I date and plate. I don't desire anymore than that. If I every get to a point where any plate is LTR material than yeah sure I might go for it. But other than that: I love my job, my friends, my family, my life. I am happy. I don't need love and affection from some woman. You need to change your mindset about life or you will be forever unhappy.

I have many interests that keep my happiness high. For instance I love travelling and backpacking. So I visit lots of places, usually go there by myself and meet tons of people. Compared to average red piller here I probably have below average social skills and am still very much a learner of 'the game' very far from mastery. Yet I go to all the places by myself and make friends, sometimes temporary engagements sometimes for life. And I just have fun and enjoy and see so many beautiful things. The world is not shit, it has so much to offer.

Similarly, my life here is also awesome. I do so many fun things. I go to parties, festivals, concerts, go out for dinner. During the day I have a challenging and fun job that keeps me focused and interested constantly. Whatever time I have left I spend on dating and since it is little time I usually just have 2-3 plates and maybe one more random girl that's there once every two months or something. I only do new dating if I suspect plates are gonna break. So all in all the whole dating/gaming thing takes barely any of my time. I could do more approaches to gain skill and I should but often I'm just content with how it's going. My plates are usually HB6-7. I'd say I'm about a 7 too. I'm still early in my Gym career so if I gain another 10-15 pounds I am a solid 8.

I am getting better at being social in other avenues of life too, like work. Now at work, I am the guy who's slowly showing his face more and it will help me reach my management aspirations.

This is a whole story, prolly means nothing to you but all I am just trying to explain is just: happiness is mindset and you need to create it yourself.

[–]fear_no_demons 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm only beginning to internalize TRP but it seems clear to me that what you're lacking is a real MISSION. I invite you to go and find it.

Hold on brother, they want you depressed and emotional so it's easier for you to slip back into a BP existence. Don't give them that satisfaction.

[–]ShotgunTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So jiujitsu kickboxing wrestling and fight cunts

[–]room_303 1 point2 points  (0 children)

26 year old has figured life out and giving advice.

[–]abudun79 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All you did was taking one or two big steps others still have to take.

You're a dreamer and a looser who's convincing himself otherwise. No different from all those 15yo dudes who are hyper-alpha, have tight game and totally swallowed to pill last week and wonder what they should text that hot instagram model.

[–]rpleo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Loved the question :)

[–]flatox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it is all you get. Make the most of it, you now see between the lines of the false reality, use it to your advantage or stay with the rest of the sheep. It doeant matter to me what you do, but it should matter to you.

[–]Dominic_Farussi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Start by meditating. It will help immensely with getting that negative nihilism out of your head. Seriously, do it at least for 10 min per day.

Second, lift. It will bring a sense of progress, pride and vision to you. You will eventually start waking up looking forward to your next gym session.

Take vitamins, especially d3.

You're fed up with women because you're depressed. It's normal so don't force it for now. It will come back after you follow these simple guidelines.

Also, shoot me up a pm if you want a dl link to a meditation guide.

[–]Kommanderdude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk. I just have this internal drive to go hard at all times. It’s just how I am. Maybe you need more testosterone. Have you had your levels checked? What’s your deadlift at?

[–]Medytative 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Stop believing you've figured it all out

Step 2: Embrace impermanence and change

Step 3: Find your spiritual purpose (HINT: It always has to do with other people - find a mentee, volunteer etc.)

Step 4: Iterate

I find the women hate on TRP to be toxic. TRP can be twisted into a rational argument for self victimization, limiting men on here from searching for connection and meaning beyond the physical self.

Remember that an alpha male is responsible for creating order out of chaos and shaping the social structure for the benefit of his entire tribe. If you are truly RP, then embrace what the world demands of you, be prepared to take on the risks and the burdens, and lead to the best of your ability.

[–]Mr-Ed209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm totally with you on this. Same age, probably RP for 3 years.

It's hard man. I'm 26 and I already have a large feeling of ennui. A feeling of been there done that. I've travelled the world, worked all manner of good jobs and shit jobs. Interacted with people of all cultures and fucked women of varying degrees of hotness. It all becomes the same, the same social systems at play and the same bullshit hierarchies of alpha, beta maledom to navigate through.

The main thing I think it comes down to is a lot of conventional life advice rhetoric pedalled around is simply nonsense. It does not work. Even some of the stuff popular on TRP I am very skeptical of, especially in regards to 'just work hard and great things will happen' 'find a mission - you're a man who should have a mission!'. It's almost like a nice guy method of living your life. Making some covert contract to 'the system' in the hope you will be rewarded. The problem is, guess who's working hard? - almost everyone, and a lot of those do so just to survive and make ends meet, they're not rewarded with some grandiose Lamborghini's Instagram life style - or even a comfortable middle class existence for that matter.

The blueprint as you say, is seeing things for what they really are. I think a lot of the angst comes down to how difficult it is to gain 'success' as a young man nowadays. I'm not saying it was ever easy - but nowadays it seems borderline impossible. Housing market the way it is, wage stagnation. Many guys are looking at their 30s and beyond to ever have some financial independence. And the problem with that is the women their age aren't 'waiting around' for men to get their shit together. They're off travelling the world and collecting flagpoles or moving to cities to satisfy their cravings for mimosas and 'casual sex'; expecting to meet someone with money at some point to 'save' them from their hedonism. I think that's something that has changed as of late. We all know hypergamy always existed and other factors which make women less than the idillic angels we envisioned them in our youth. But nowadays it's as if women are ruined before they even gave an honest life a shot.

So then what is the motivation for men to earn well and develop status if the reward of an honest partner is not there. Why not just jack off to porn and play video games? I think that is a very real question that is not being answered by our society today.

It's a huge element in disenfranchised men. Theres also the huge factor that the system is rigged against you. Theres no two ways about that, it's no conspiracy or excuse thinking, it's sheer science. Pareto distribution has resulted in the largest degree of inequality ever in existence. And the problem with inequality that no one seems to talk about is the inequality of opportunity that results from the gaps of rich/poor. It's always painted as the rich have nice cars and you don't - so stop whining and be happy with what you have. But the problem is way deeper than that. Without money you can't start a business, you can't be independent. Without A LOT of money you can't make more money, which limits you to servitude. Anyone who's spent 2 years in the working world knows this. Conventional conservatism still holds faith in the trueness of the market but it fails to grasp the complexities which ruin the lives of individuals involved within them. Hierarchies of wealth and nepotism which happen to function on the performance of a few naive suckers who carry the workload and are underpaid because of their agreeability.

There is no obvious answer anymore. The Peterson rhetoric of 'grow the hell up, adopt some responsibility' is noble, but it only works if you are able to take on worthwhile responsibility. Which is harder than just 'getting your act together' as Peterson often puts it. It takes redirection and understanding of the dynamics at play and a lot of being in the right place at the right time. One thing I will say though, is being at the top is awesome. I've experienced it a few fleeting times in my life and you can see the reality for what it is but you don't really give a shit. People do things for you, girls flirt with you and everyone laughs at your jokes. You realise the fickleness of it but you can't help but want it to continue.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (44 children)

There’s a God-shaped hole in everyone’s heart. Only God can fill it. Life is bleak and ultimately pointless otherwise.

[–]AManIsBusy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, on the condition that God means any sort of morals, monotheistic or polytheistic or atheistic.

[–]Zahlix 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Interesting thought that those who follow TRP will reach a point in their life where everything is within their reach and that this will ultimately lead them to have nothing left to aim for - except for something higher (however you define this).

I think this might about how religions have started. Even the most alpha hunters/gatherers needed an alpha to look up to and strive towards. So they created the ultimate alpha and created a cult around worshiping and emulating him in every way.

[–]Tiway22 0 points1 point  (39 children)

What are you smoking dude? What god?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (38 children)

The One responsible for creation.

[–]Hydroeletric_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Brahma, the creator god of Hinduism?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Creator

[–]Tiway22 1 point2 points  (35 children)

Proof? Or do you believe in things without evidence

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (34 children)

There is no proof of anything. But anyone who thinks existence and everything in it popped up by magical dumb luck has a screw loose.

[–]mendicinobeano 2 points3 points  (33 children)

Positing a creator raises a bigger question than it purports to solve. Where did the creator come from? Who created the creator? If the creator does not require a creator to exist, then you have conceeded that existence does not require a creator. So then you are back where you started with dumb luck. Thus, by your own reasoning, you have a screw loose Tom.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (32 children)

Your ignorance of the details as to who exactly the creator is doesn’t in any way negate or erase the absurdity of the position that it’s all just dumb luck.

[–]mendicinobeano 0 points1 point  (31 children)

You are not paying attention. Let's try this again. If you imagine there to be a creator who has always existed, then you'd have to consider that creator to be pretty damn lucky to have always just existed like that and be all-powerful and such. That's how you see it, yes? How is it not dumb luck on God's part to just be God rather than to not exist? Therefore by your own logic, your religion is absurd.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (30 children)

Lucky? If existence itself always existed would you consider that lucky? God said I am. He is the beginning andthe end. He is not lucky. He simply is

[–]mendicinobeano 0 points1 point  (29 children)

"If existence itself always existed would you consider that lucky"

Yes I would, that's the point I was making earlier. Your hypothetical god is very fortunate to find himself having always existed and being all powerful. If no one created him, then that's dumb luçk. A god that can create us is by definition more complex and thus more improbable than we are. Your logic says that his complexity demands that God was created by another god, yet you claim that's not the case. If god can exist without having been created, then obviously we can too.

You can't escape the logic of that by uttering non-sequitors like "God said I am. He is the beginning andthe end. He is not lucky. He simply is." Not impressed with your poetry. There is no substance to your argument.

[–]DylanKleb0ld -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Fuck off

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sensitive much, princess?

[–]Narcissist456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol what the fuck are you talking about? Unless you’re living like dan bilzerian you have a long ways to go and plenty of dimensions in your life to make progress in.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've often had similar feelings for years - this is without trp. I think any intelligent man will eventually experience being bored with everything.

[–]imtheoneimmortal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do things for community, i was doing music and goals for me but now i'm doing to help people and 1-2 artist.I'm working with a guy and trying to make a community/team and go up.

To me every morning is mostly about music but also knowing new people, reading new books, travel.

watch new serie of leo gura about spiral dynamics

[–]suxxos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks to me like you are actually spending too much time on trp. You have to realise, it's a tool, but don't treat is as a religion. Even most devoted trp supporters know it has faults. Instead, try living your life, read some good literature (not trp textbooks, though), watch some movies, go to concerts. Talk to girls like they are your friends. Stay away from internet forums for a while. I promise this is going to help.

[–]apskidb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But now, it's like I see the blueprint of everything, and it all seems so dull, nothing is exciting anymore.

You've plateaued. You haven't figured everything out. There's always more. More money, more cool shit, more girls, more mass...

You need to challenge yourself. You're previously unattainable dreams have come true. Time to get new dreams. Life is a motherfucker. But the satisfaction comes from getting 1-up on it.

if you slip-up just once as a dude, it can cost your fucking family, even your life, since so much power is given to women.

Sounds like you're still hoping for BP fantasy. Build your own life that doesn't revolve around this.

but it feels like I'm doing all of it out of habit.

You've established excellent habits. Keep them and add more, pick a target and go for it. Level up. That's the only way.

[–]bluechipmonk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone's saying work on yourself, enjoy life and get bigger goals blah blah blah.

Seems like OP is already doing that.

How about go volunteering and helping people. If you see some homeless begging for food or money, just give something. Try joining Red Cross or Peace Corps (if you're in US) or any other similar organization and travel around the world helping people in other countries.

[–]319Skew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Focus on my son. I owe him the life that I never had and despite my ex's best effort, I'm holding onto everything so that when I pass at least he'll break the cycle.

[–]mrHappyPotatoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To quote Ron Burgondy: I don't believe you.

[–]rationalityiskey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you figured out how to find motivation to enjoy life yet? No? Well looks like you haven't figured out life yet.

Get out of your head, bro.

[–]conduit2639 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If youre lacking purpose or dont see the point, this is exactly where your own self is quite literally telling you that you need to let go of your old persona and create a new one of value in the context of what you have learned here. Keep your head up, make a plan, and realize your goals.

[–]Cmdrj-nice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just have fun my dude we are all going to die at the end. One day at a time, find something or someone to do, dont stress and be present in the moment

[–]Mojiitoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about... you drop everything for a month and for example take a tour through southern america, go ice kayaking at spitsbergen, husky sledge tour in Lapland. Take a group tour through the himalaya, meet new people. Learn to sail and hop greek islands in a group sail formation. Maybe move to another country for a year; learn new language and buildup a whole new setting and social circle around you. There is so much to explore and so few time man.

Maybe... youre too much in control of everything in your life? When was the last time you actually felt alive? Maybe just go with the flow and let anything happen for an extended period of time.

For me, when I feel most alive, is when being social and meet new people. Like chilling at the beach at night with a group of random people.

[–]iamarcel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learn to reward and celebrate for yourself. I had to learn this too. (Not because of TRP, currently in the progress of u plugging.)

Think about what's important to you, notice that it's, for example, feeling like you have a shit-ton of energy and you need to work out do get that. Then just take a breath after every set or workout and take a few seconds to pride yourself.

Feeling happy is a habit. It's simple but not easy. You've conquered and achieved so much more than me already, this is just the next step you're taking, the next challenge you're conquering.

[–]Ravenanom 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Take this with a grain of salt, but have you considered doing psychadelics? I've heard they can offer a different way of viewing life.

Like how everything is quiet pointless at the end of the day thus you can pretty much do anything you want that's within your power.

Don't take life so seriously man. You'll be dead one day so who cares if it has meaning or not. Go out into the the street and make a fool of yourself. Go dance on top of a mountain. Smile at a shark. Jump from the highest point of a small Boulder. Do a tumble with orphaned children. Literally you can do anything you want.

Here's some more: Beach a boat on some rocks. Laugh with growling hyenas. Become a father. (Let women be women. Being a father can be the most meaningful thing a man can do in this world.) Hug a tree. Go to the center of the ocean and dive deep in it. Run a marathon in the Amazon Jungle. Start an organization for those in need. Write a book. Wear a Pope's hat for a full week. Greet everyone with a fake name. Grow a beard and call yourself Odin. Sleep with a homeless person for a week and share their experiences. Sit with someone completely different from you and share your experiences with each other. Learn salsa. Boogey to funktown.

Literally this can go on for pages. Life's a big fat joke. Laugh at it's stupidity and join the party.

[–]room_303 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I've heard they can offer a different way of viewing life.

They are a meme drug with serious psychological consequences.

[–]ghosts_of_me 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Serious doesnt imply bad. Op would probably figure out what he wants to pursue next if he took a couple tabs of acid.

[–]room_303 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That's just hyperfocusing on everything at once and then finding clarity at coming back to reality. All that's left is the same self to start with.

[–]ghosts_of_me 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yes. Same self, with newfound clarity. Don't you see that what you said is a positive (not neutral) thing?

[–]room_303 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Clarity that your scattered thoughts and twitching visions have stopped and you are back to normal.

[–]ghosts_of_me 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Write down the epiphanies when they happen so you don't forget.

[–]room_303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Write down dreams, it's the same thing - your mind creating imagery.