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Why is there a sudden increase in the number of women in asktrp? (self.asktrp)

submitted by firewelt

Its funny how the women casually drop advice-like statements and then talk about how great they are for a bit. But why the sudden increase? Do they really think that anyone cares what they think or are they trying to enter a 'boys only' club?


[–]MODVigilantRedRooster[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child)

One of the sub rules for women is to remain genderless unless it is absolutely relevant to their contribution. Gratuitious "As a woman..." mentions are not allowed.

If you see post that breaks the rules, use the REPORT function rather than engage the OP.

There have been examples of legitimate, relevant questions and fruitful discussions started by female posters, but these are the exception rather than the rule. In most cases they are better off posting in Red Pill Women, same as when men post questions at RPW- they are deleted and referred here to AskTRP.


No small amount of irony that some people downthread have chosen here to complain about being banned from RedPillWomen. Keep in mind, that sub is part of the Red Pill Network; respect it as such, whether or not you understand/agree with the complementary mating strategies of women.

[–]1redhawkes 99 points100 points  (6 children)

They want 'guys perspective'. Don't fall for the trap and validate them, the minute you enter her frame and trying to give RP advice, she starts to argue cos you didn't validate her retarded opinion, not even to mention that it's her who came here for advice.

Oh, and those 'not that it matters but im woman with double d's and attractive' baits lmao

[–]firewelt[S] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

Oh i know i advocate banning them on sight.

[–]PlanetoftheGrapes94 3 points4 points  (4 children)

is banning someone based on their sex allowed? I feel like doing that could come back to bite us in the ass. maybe have a simple flair to signify they are female so that stating they are female is unnecessary. so proclaiming their gender would be redundant and make the post have less/no substance, giving way more downvotes or a deletion of comment for lack of contribution to a dialogue/baiting

[–]Juan-San 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I disagree on banning women just because they're women. I also disagree on the flair thing because of this nugget of wisdom.

Your posts should be able to stand for themselves. Using the "as a woman" bullshit is either a way to draw attention or a way to inflate a post's value because it's below the usual standards.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Concern trolling is against the rules

[–]Darth_Antonius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to discuss this stuff with women, go to r/purplepilldebate. TRP is for discussing male sexual strategy. Adding women to that conversation would completely derail the conversation and devolve it into a debate as to whether TRP is moral. Even if it didn't, you don't ask the fish to teach you how to be a fisherman, so female input on male sexual strategy would be completely pointless.

[–]CrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the actual rule.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 14 points15 points  (2 children)

they trying to enter a 'boys only' club?

They want to control the narrative so they can get men to provide for them.

The last thing women need is men knowing that they'll fuck Chad in a heartbeat and buy his drinks first. That would directly undermine her AF/BB strategy.

So it's vital that women advise men that "AF/BB isn't true! Women just want to be loved! And then you might get sex but you can never expect it!"

[–]BewareTheOldMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

...it's vital that women advise men that AF/BB isn't true!

Too late...even Beta Males are catching on and flatly refusing to engage women by virtue of knowing female nature and their duplicitous dual-mating sexual strategy.

[–]Epictetus2017[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hard thing to swallow, but I started seeing this first-hand about a month ago. The behavior was always there in retrospect but I didn't want to see it.

Part of me always thought the "Chad" talk was just a straw man argument by envious, lazy little shits.

Then I made friends about two months ago with a few very handsome, fit, but otherwise lacking men: broke, no career addicts, violent, lazy. I was trying to hire one of them as an employee to help him clean up out of brotherly sympathy. (Too into drugs, was a bad idea.)

Yet these guys pull women extremely easily. Far easier then I can. Because they have low body fat, confidence, and natural good looks.

It was eye opening, and I doubled my fitness efforts as a result. I guess I am still in the anger phase. AF/BB.

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[–]BewareTheOldMan 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Women giving other women advice on men WITHOUT direct input from men is not good business as there is tendency to ignore what men actually want, desire, and need in terms of female companionship.

Advice over at the Red Pill Women SubReddit is generally good, but there are times when they absolutely miss the mark. I have also seen moments where as a collective they refuse to accept the truth or reality of various topics in discussion.

One thing they do pretty well is call out other women for their nonsense. It's really the only time I've ever seen women hard-check each other in any female-dominated forum or setting.

And their overall mission of being better girlfriends, wives, and mothers is a message that will garner support from most people – women need to be better because as a group they are losing their credibility and honored status due to negative behavior by many of today’s modern women.

Women are not men - and they shouldn't behave as such.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Women giving other women advice on men WITHOUT direct input from men is not good business as there is tendency to ignore what men actually want, desire, and need in terms of female companionship

You really don't realize how idiotic that is? By that logic we shouldn't give each other advice on women without direct input from women. But we know that in reality women would give us terrible fucking advice. Which is why this male only space that you're posting on right now exists. You're saying the exact same thing that a feminist complaining about TRP would say. Makes sense though cause you basically are the same in male form if you're going on the trpwomen sub and complaining that they're wrong

[–]Luckylancer96 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Your point is good but the way you said it offended him and now you can not persuade him because he is on defence.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for summarizing his comment cause once I saw the first part I was not about to read the whole thing

[–]BewareTheOldMan 4 points5 points  (5 children)

You really don't realize how idiotic that is?

Responding with name-calling and insults only serves to diminish your credibility. It's a basic technique employed mostly by women. I've only had a couple of direct insults from men versus numerous attacks by women. You're basically following the Playbook. Notably, I can usually come to agreement with other men. It’s a bit more difficult to accomplish with women.

RPW are wrong in that they miss the mark SOME of the time. I give them credit for getting it mostly right. They are one of the few groups who are at least trying to be better women.

Any advice I post is ALWAYS in the sense of ensuring a better outcome for women and benefits men at the SAME TIME. That's the difference. My comments are in the best interest of both genders whereas some of the advice offered is focused on the best outcome for only women. Both genders must be considered in any comment that affects a situation involving male-female interaction. If it's female-only focus, then I may not have anything to add at all.

I've had several disagreements with some RPW commenters due to being honest and truthful in some of my responses. I don't take it personal - it just is.

Women can come to TRP, AskTRP and give advice. I have no issue with it. I've seen women lurk in TRP, MGTOW, AskTRP, and other male-spaces all over other social media platforms - not just Reddit. The problem, however, is that much of their perspective benefits women much more than the men. Women will outright insult and blame men with little consideration to what they're doing wrong in any situation, however men are expected to always accept responsibility and blame for their behavior/misbehavior. Women need to do the same.

Women are wrong about N-Count. Men care and are judged negatively or criticized if they won't accept highly promiscuous women.

Few women truly understand the importance of being domestic - cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids, and maintaining a home. There are women who see being domestic as "oppressive."

Men want women who are feminine, in shape, and understand healthy eating - not this healthy at every size or fat acceptance nonsense.

There are women who do not understand the priorities are husband, kids, and career...and in that order.

Women are wrong in thinking if they are nearing 30/over 30+ they are just as attractive and datable as a woman who is 8-10 years younger.

Honestly - what benefit is it for men to date and marry a Single Mother with kids from another man?

I've had women on other sites specifically state "they don't need or want help from men." Yet other women are clamoring how men won’t "Man Up." So which is it?

Also – on RPW I’ve seen bad advice to women who are Alpha Widows and women who are not attracted to their husbands despite knowing they were never attracted in the first place.

Many women complain about the men over at TRP. The basic countermeasure to TRP techniques and theory is DON’T be the type of women they complain about. It’s that simple. Be a much better woman right from the beginning and maximize the prime years to secure a great life-mate.

You're saying the exact same thing that a feminist complaining about TRP would say.

Negative - feminists don't want equity. Women already have equality as there are no laws in place that prevent women from doing anything they want in life. They want the benefits of equality without the responsibility and accountability at the expense of weakening men.

I’m nothing like a feminist. I support everyone’s right to do whatever they want, but don’t force, demand or expect anyone to provide direct support...unless of course it's their choice, then it's fine.

[–]Jikira 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree with all of your points, but it is also not the end of the world if you are not the perfect woman. Sure all of these traits would increase your chances of getting a high-value male, but nothing is set in stone. Though these are goals you should strive for as a woman.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...no one is expecting perfection, but men and women have to be hitting on all cylinders in major life-areas with at least an 85% effective-rate (if I use percentages as a metric).

We have women who (based on a max score of 100%) are well below 50% - which is failing...miserably. When men are that bad, they are hard-checked and categorized as ineffective to society. The same concept applies to women, except we look for reasons to excuse negative behavior. That's a big NO GO.

All woman are not like that, but so many are doing life wrong versus years ago when women had elevated status within society. Older ladies are clutching their pearls when they realize how young people behave today.

Both men and women have to do better...much better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Responding with name-calling and insults only serves to diminish your credibility.

wasn't even talking about you, I was clearly referring to your argument. You would make a good anti bullying counselor at an elementary school though

[–]BewareTheOldMan -1 points0 points  (1 child)

OK...got it, but that's the way I read it. I cannot accurately interpret your intent via a summary response.

Also - I assume you concede my observations since you didn't oppose/disagree with any of my points…unless of course you have something else to add to the discussion.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't read the rest of your comment

[–]Juan-San -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is not a two way street. Most women will tell you they want Prince Charming but we all know the pussy tingles for the drug dealer from the other block. I know it's an extreme example, but most women aren't aware of what they really want. Then they come to regret it and cry rape, or say it just happened.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 38 points39 points  (23 children)

Because of all of the anti white rhetoric there is a white flight out of feminism. That's why all of the Staycies and Beckies are coming here. They tired of being called white privilege racists. Women need an ideology.

That being said Red Pill women needs to become intellectualy more robust to absorb the influx.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (14 children)

Trad thots, they see what's trending and what direction has the most potential to exploit. Red pilled men in the broader political red pill are a growing force and as always women need to invade male spaces. Most of them will adopt the ideology of the cock residing in their vagina assuming it's alpha enough.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Team Anti Liberal has hotter guys then team LibCuck. Traditional thots exist because they need to exist to get that sperm

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's the truth. Most of the leftist males I've encountered are 125lb wimps with greasy nerdcuts who bend to the will of any female present. Add that to the growing videos of protesters and antifa and it's easy to see why women are defecting.

Or they're black guys and despite what the media is pushing, alot of white girls are unwilling to hamster that one.

[–]kranos33 5 points6 points  (11 children)

STFU, I am liberal and I am here, and I am good looking (and yes, jacked)

Liberal vs. Conservative has nothing to do with TRP

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Your also clinically retarded for thinking that Red Pill is compatible with liberalism.

[–]fartchucks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well if it isnt GayLubeOil spreading false information /s

[–]kranos33 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Your version,

Let me give you some conservative values:

Religion = Textbook Blue Pill thinking

Man the main provider == Alimony

Pro Life / Ban Abortion == Child support

How is being conservative any better in TRP? It is the same think as being a libertard, just different side of the coin

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Your conflating Conservativism with Anti Liberalism. Anti Liberalism is broad it includes fascism, religious fundamentalism, Monarchy etc. The Red Pill is an anti liberal ideology which doesn't belive any of the conservative values you listed but it is an anti liberal ideology nontheless.

Of the current living ideologies we are closest to Alexander Dugins Fouth Political theory. YouTube that if your interested

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't real liberalism more about let everyone do whatever they want and everyone is responsible for themselves. There was a blog called illeberal liberal.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (4 children)

STFU, I am liberal and I am here, and I am good looking (and yes, jacked)

Somehow I doubt that.

Liberal vs. Conservative has nothing to do with TRP

Has everything to do with it. You're still a bloopie if you subscribe to liberalism.

[–]RedpillSubmarine 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What about classical liberalism?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What about it?

[–]RedpillSubmarine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you think red pill is opposed to it as well?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not all of it. But classical liberalism is dead - no use of talking about it.

[–]2SirKolbath 2 points3 points  (5 children)

They aren't going to become more robust intellectually until they stop acting blue pill and removing posts/harassing male posters via PM for bothering someone's feels. That's the very last place I would expect a woman to throw down the "I'm uncomfortable" card, but I saw it multiple times. It's just another touchy-feely women's place now, no different from a Curves gym or hot yoga class or wine and painting outing.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A Red Pill isn't a Red Pill unless it's uncomfortable psychologically. It being uncomfortable psychologically is what makes it a Red Pill. That's the foundational premise of the Red Pill Metaphor.

If someone is a mod of a Red Pill community and doesn't comprehend the Red Pill Metaphor they are a big ol retard.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

RPW sometimes has a tendency to get caught up in "feelings."

That's the exact point I was making to another commenter...I've had several disagreements with some RPW ladies due to some of my honest and truthful responses.

Being Red Pill is being able to accept truth. There are some who take issue with the harsh reality of truth. To some - a "pretty lie" is better than ugly truth.

Constructive criticism is a good thing...I'm always suspect when I see a boatload of "deleted posts" in any forum.

[–]Ou-tis 4 points5 points  (2 children)

They banned me because I said that the death of a cat is not a tragedy and the real tragedy is that we live in a society that consider a die cat a tragedy. But they are women,I don't expect much from them.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"First-world" problems...

[–]2SirKolbath -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep. I got a talking to after some idiot that had been in the forum three days and given a bunch of useless workout advice started arguing with me about how to lose weight. I had suggested to a girl that she walk strenuously for twenty minutes twice a week and do light circuit training three days to increase her TDEE while she was nursing, having gained about twenty pounds during her pregnancy. This bozo wandered into the discussion and basically yelled "Nuh uh! She needs to only lift weights or she'll get a marathoner's body. She needs to just eat less and burn more!" He (Or she. I never learned because I didn't care) even cherry-picked pictures of female runners from the web to show how they have no shape. He/she/it had posted about fifteen comments across six threads from a two day old account, most of it telling established posters that they were wrong about something.

A brand new moderator took exception to my saying, "Listen, ass, if you don't even know what a TDEE is, stop giving advice. Definitely stop picking random pictures of women who run sixty miles a week and pretending that a woman who walks at a brisk pace for an hour a week is going to end up shaped like that."

This rookie moderator told me publicly I wasn't 'polite' enough for her and deleted my post. I told her privately that she was a child, and received a ban notice. Next time I heard from them it was four and a half months later when another new moderator came here and gave dreadful advice on mate guarding. I'd had a PM conversation with her while I was still posting at RPW, at least five months previously. She decided to screencap three of my messages out of context and post them here to try to call me a lech or something. I wasn't paying that much attention. I just blocked her and went on with my life.

Two days after that, I got a PM from the first whiny cunt saying that if I continued to PM members of their forum, I'd be reported to Reddit. I laughed at her. 1. It took five months for moderator two to get offended by anything I said. 2. I hadn't sent a PM to anyone, male, female, or vegetable in about two weeks, and definitely hadn't PMed anyone from their forum in quite a while, and to frost this cake of stupidity: 3. I don't even participate in their shitty forum. The idiot actually expected me to just not send a private message to anyone on Reddit because they might be someone who posts in RPW now and then and I might bother their feels.

It was a Harvey Weinstein ploy: "I wasn't even remotely offended at the time, but now I can try to use it as leverage, half a goddamn year later."

She sent me so many goddamn PMs that I finally started reporting each one to Reddit for harassment. I don't know if they did anything, but it took two days for the messages to stop. She was totally irrational the entire time. She'd send me a message and I would reply "Stop sending me messages. You are committing harassment and being reported." She would reply with another PM that said, "Stop replying to my messages, then." It was the stupidest thing I've seen on Reddit.

I can't imagine why people of both genders would be leaving that place. I had been a poster there for three years and had over a thousand karma from the place, so clearly the users felt I was adding some value. Buuuut... AWALT, even there.

[–]Epictetus2017[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always found it amusing how in my current locale it's the opposite view. White envy. Pale skin is a status symbol, to the point where I get compliments from most women.

The women know it too. A white escort will cost you 25 to 50% more, if you want to view it in a transactional sense. Whiter women are harder to seduce too.

White skin is viewed as having a direct correlation to wealth, and intelligence, and the brutal no holds barred truth is that this assumption generally holds true here.

Yet in my country, built by white Europeans it's a badge of shame. Hilarious.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because of all of the anti white rhetoric there is a white flight out of feminism.

Given the choice between one of their own and El Pussy Grabber, 53% of white women chose Trump.

They will still mouth the words over at the Sisterhood Spinsterhood, but when the chips were down, most white women voted to protect their fathers', brothers', and boyfriends' jobs.

[–]MrAgamemnon 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It's simple. They want attention and validation and wanna feel special unlike all the others.

Look at lacigreen, was feminist - decided there's a huge untapped demographic she which she could be worshiped by. Boom.

Women don't believe in shit, they have no inherent morality, they will play along with anything.

If she's dating a metal head, she'll become a metalhead; if she is dating a neo-nazi, she'll become a neo-nazi.

Same reason idiot women convert to islam and run off to Syria and shit. It's all about attention and satisfying the feels. They have no inherent morality or convictions.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoever is the most influential male around, his morals becomes her morals. Only for that particular moment, and off to be forgotten again.

They have no morals.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Women ALWAYS try to invade and control male spaces.

[–]nofilmynofucky 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Women don't want male - only spaces and seek to infiltrate them, then demand the spaces change to accommodate them. Then men leave, build new spaces, and women follow again.

It's essentially shit testing but to their credit women do understand that these spaces are dangerous to their agenda, as they give men the opportunity to discuss and explore topics without the input of women, which for the modern woman is more dangerous than ever before in history as women in 2017 are largely trash.

of course they are incapable of processing this and adapting themselves, seeking instead to surpress and silence the discourse. It's a strategy that has worked decently for them for a long time now but won't continue forever, as the societal issues caused by the overempowerment of bitches are reaching tipping points in many countries already and soon will not be able to be ignored by even the must blue of numales.

Men are awakening in incredible numbers and it's terrifying for women.

[–]Luckylancer96 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is why they dont like trp. People here think femminist/women intantionaly think about these stuff. Their deffence is "lol, this is bullshit". They are right with this reaction because what you said seems like a conspiracy theory rather than truth.

What you say happens but not openly.

[–]empatheticapathetic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's a good test of frame that a surprising amount of people fail.

[–]1Pink1Stink 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm sure women can learn a lot from this and the main sub.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The odd time you'll actually get some honest insight but most of the time the female comments will be along the lines of "I'm 28 and have been with 2 men..." or "My roommates in college used to fuck a lot of guys. I never did.".

Just completely straying from reality.

[–]McVaghunter 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I hate it when I reply to someone here assuming he's a bro and out of nowhere these cunts drop a "when I was pregnant" or "my boyfriend used to"... I'm like, bitch I would've never replied if I knew you were a female! Fucking hell.

[–]firewelt[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean, its pretty funny reading those exchanges but it needs to be curbed, these girls are the new trolls of this sub.

[–]nofilmynofucky 10 points11 points  (1 child)

tbh they should be banned or at least flared so we know who to ignore

[–]McVaghunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fucking hell, it just happened to me AGAIN! The give away this time was her saying "Having a strong, emotional bond with someone is valuable". I immediately knew it. And after asking if she's a female the reply was "I have a strong emotional bond with my boyfriend" followed by her life story that I didn't care to read.

Trying to help some bros out and here I am wasting time listening to some cunt's opinion. Fuck.

[–]Pluglord 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmfao

[–]Ou-tis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Women are boring,they want to hang with boys because boys are not boring like them.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

...they want to hang with boys because boys are not boring...

...essentially the same reason the Girl Scouts are losing its members to the Boy Scouts. The GS should find a way to be better, but they won't.

[–]2SirKolbath 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Probably because the moderators at TRP women are unhinged and they lost over a thousand members in less than a week. I stopped posting there and refuse to even recommend the place any more.

[–]firewelt[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Really? A bunch of women drove a subreddit into the ground? I find that hard to believe. Jokes aside, what did the mods do over there?

[–]2SirKolbath 4 points5 points  (3 children)

A shitload of irrational behavior, mostly aimed against men who weren't "polite" enough to satisfy their feels.

I also noticed that the few men who were posting there who were married, usually to one of the moderators, were some simpering beta fucks. One guy tried to give me a ration of shit because I said sex isn't the only part of a relationship, but it is an important one, and I won't even consider a woman for an LTR that I haven't been inside. He basically tried to slut-shame me, which, in hindsight, was hilarious.

I had a friend of mine that I actually met there who texted me one day about six months ago (about a month or two before I called it quits over there) and said she had noticed about 850 users had dropped from the subscription list in the last week, and she called my attention to a moderator post where the mods were talking about how they were going to clamp down on a bunch of stuff. The list read like the Liste des schädlichen und unerwünschten Schrifttums in 1939. I mostly ignored it, but limited my posting there, and finally left entirely a bit later for reasons I detailed in another comment.

It is a shame. I would expect a place like that to be full of women who learn from the Red Pill and understand their place and a man's place. Instead, it's just another knitting club.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would expect [RPW] to be full of women who learn from the Red Pill...

I say this all the time:

Many women complain about the men over at TRP. The basic countermeasure to TRP techniques and theory is DON’T be the type of women they complain about. It’s that simple. Be a much better woman right from the beginning and maximize the prime years to secure a great life-mate.

RPW do better than most other female spaces, but they still have their issues.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't go on a regular basis, but a chick posted over here and was rightly told to post in RPW and got deleted.

I copypasted my measured response to her, and got removed and my hand slapped.

It's becoming beddeadrooms - if it doesn't make you feel good it's wrong.

Out.

Let it burn.

[–]2SirKolbath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad I'm not the only person to have had these experiences with their hamfisted moderation over there. If it were just me, there's that niggling feeling of, "Fuck, maybe I did overstep something." Instead, it seems like it's just how they do shit over there.

[–]Luckylancer96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That place have many BP stuff. LTR is hybrid of blue-red and that sub is focused on LTR but still their bs is overdose, for me atleast. Our mods shoud do a coup there xD

[–]deadassfinna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reminds me of those chick in the comments of fb meme pages. Always looking for attention with fat tits but obese af

[–]Icanus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, women in a man-space.
This place will go to shit. I guarantee it.