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What does TRP actually want from women? (self.asktrp)

submitted by kittenkinesis

I am comfortable in traditional female roles, and I am actually happier doing these for a man who provides what I need in a relationship. Yet I see all these posts against LTRs and marriage and what not.

What does TRP actually want from women? Genuinely curious. Is there a benefit for women? Are there any cons for men?

Just trying to understand.


[–]CrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child)

I'm going to leave this up because it asks a question which it's important for men to see the answers to.

[–]Kommanderdude 151 points152 points  (6 children)

Trp doesn’t want anything from women. Trp is about helping men navigate a modern world where masculinity is frowned upon and feminism and anti male hate is celebrated. Trp doesn’t hate women and isn’t anti marriage. It is simply helping men through life in a world where marriage isn’t worth it. Due to the male hate that has found its way into our court systems and laws. It’s our failure as men to maintain a society where less desirable female behavior is kept in check and marriages thrive. Maybe once enough men wake up, we can get there some day. Until then we are just helping men get through life in a increasingly anti male world.

[–]raxical 21 points22 points  (1 child)

This. We were all told, "X. X is the way you succeed with women and in life." and TRP is a theory that combines the seduction community, anti-feminism, men's rights and what a few other groups have been saying for decades to say, "No, X is wrong and if you do X you will fail and suffer. All the evidence actually supports doing Y."

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 90 points91 points  (6 children)

What does TRP actually want from women?

Nothing.

We have no philosophy. We are not a movement. We're not here to persuade people to do anything. We're just here to teach men how to get the results they want.

There is no agenda for you to like or dislike, to comply with or rebel against.

We are not "trad-cons". We are sexual strategy wonks. If we seem to like some kinds of women better than others, it's simply because those women are more pleasing to men.

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    [–]mrpoopistan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    you will encounter several "TRP" posters who do hate women

    Almost any large concentration of people from one gender will eventually lead to some bashing.

    You will even encounter some wankers spewing political nonsense and whacked-out conspiracy theories.

    While we're at it, let's not forget the outright scammers who are trying to sell books and coaching and such.

    [–]Koreansegfault 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    lol, I've been on TRP 5 years and never seen a single request for tips on how to recruit converts

    [–]needless_pickup_line 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Sure you have.

    "How can I convince my friends TRP works?"

    [–]Kommanderdude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    There is a post on the main sub from redpillschool where they are discussing the creation of red pill clubs and men’s organizations.

    [–]2chazthundergut 19 points20 points  (2 children)

    TRP wants nothing from women.

    What do women get out of it? Nothing, except to live in a world with stronger, more masculine men.

    [–]Nergaal 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    What do women get out of it? Nothing

    Disagree. It might not even be a majority (anymore) but there are a certain section of females being unhappy in a relationship with weak men.

    [–]2chazthundergut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Of course, and that's why I added the second part. And I believe it is a majority.

    However, it's important to understand from the very beginning that TRP is not about helping women become happier or bettering women's lives in any way.

    We become strong for ourselves. We become masculine for ourselves. We become self-validating for ourselves. We improve our lives for ourselves.

    Of course many women would benefit if our society had more masculine men. And they'd certainly be getting better sex. But that is not why we do it, and if you ever think in those terms then you're back in the blue pill.

    It is completely self-defeating to explain that TRP might benefit women in any way. We don't care about that. We neither need nor seek female approval for TRP, and we make no excuses and have zero need to justify ourselves.

    We are men seeking knowledge and sharing sexual strategies for the benefit of men. That is the beginning and the end of it.

    [–]life_is_dumb 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    From r/theredpill sidebar:

    The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

    There is literally zero in any TRP material I've read that asks anything out of a woman. Everything is geared towards what is expected out of a RP male.

    [–]SohithKumar 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    1. Understand biological gender roles and work accordingly.
    2. Don’t compete and expect men to appreciate it. Men don’t care about your performance.
    3. Don’t spew Feminist nonsense and don’t divorce rape men.
    4. Take care of your finances, children and most importantly hubby.
    5. Don’t Cheat.
    6. Actually care about words coming out of your mouths.
    7. Stop saying, “I am financially independent woman.”

    I know none of the above are possible. Still worth a try. I know girls who try to do the above. Usually they are from traditional families with patriarchy.

    [–]Kommanderdude 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Those are all a result of a lack of masculinity in modern society. With the proper amount of masculine frame even the most hardcore feminazi would fall in line. The reason women do those things is because the majority of men in western society have as much masculinity as a 12 y/o girl and allow this shit to happen.

    [–]SpinPlates 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    TRP as a whole doesn't want anything. There is no common endgame or goal we share.

    I personally just want women to have a little more introspective thinking about life as a human. I think the average guy can speak about the pros and cons of both genders while women seem to think being a man is easy and we are given the world.

    [–]smirk_addict 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Cheers bro. I want the same thing. I want women to have more self awareness and to be able to take responsibility for their actions. And women have no idea thankless and expendable men are.

    [–]Ou-tis 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    You want a woman version of a man,you can't have it. Women are women since dawn of humans,don't expect something different.

    [–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I knew someone was going to post something like this. I don’t expect this. If i did i would never get laid. Women can be this way if we held them to a higher standard. They don’t have to be. And since the dawn of humans there been many examples of working civilizations that wouldnt cultivate today’s woman sense of entitlement. Not saying things were awesome. It’s just there really isn’t a system of true accountability right now for all people. Only for men.

    [–]Ou-tis 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Women can act properly if someone lead them,they will not do it by themselves

    [–]smirk_addict 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    True. I’ve also found that women who have had to become self sufficient through true hardship are also closer to this. Because they’ve basically have had to experience life (at least for a time) as most men do. I was going to post that all of this is our fault as men. But it just seemed maybe I was gonna beat a dead horse.

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (23 children)

    "Provides what I need in a relationshio"

    What is that?

    Check out RPWomen. Most of RPers are against marriage, not LTRs if you do it right when you are 30+. Even Rollo Tomassi, creater of the blog TheRationalMale.com is married.

    [–]Merwebb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Trp is about loving women as they really are, not as we want them to be.

    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    Most of the masculinity deficient want another version of mommy. Hence, the reason dead bedrooms happen. No healthy woman wants to fuck a man child. Fair enough, ladies.

    “As a man”, I want a woman to suck my dick and actively let me lead. Your “job” as a woman in an LTR is to recognize your man’s deficiencies and NOT employ your natural instincts. Nagging. Bitching. Ridiculous dramatics. Silent treatment. Power games. A woman attempts to dominate with emotional terrorism. And rightfully so because in general men are over analytical pussy ass faggots.

    The problem that men and women get into is when a woman wins a power contest she really loses. She doesn’t get an attractive man that wants to lead. She breaks a man down into a shadow of what he was when they first got together. She repeats her cycle of relationship dynamics over and over again.

    Men and women both have responsibility for where they end up in life. If you as a woman in an LTR want to keep your man, do every sexual act you can dream of. Be stereotypically feminine. Supportive and submissive.

    If he doesn’t live up to your idiot expectations, dump him as fast as you can. There will always be another dick to fall on. That’s your experience of life. You can’t really fail. Be kind and rip the fucking band aid.

    [–]Kommanderdude 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Telling women not to employ their natural instincts is wrong. That’s nature’s way for them to determine whether or not your seed is full of superior genetics so their off spring have the highest chance of survival.

    What needs to happen. As you put it, men need to stop acting like pussy ass faggots.

    Women get away with this because we allow it.

    Our society is like an episode of Jerry Springer where the parents let the 5 y/o kid run the house and boss them around.

    [–]Terdmuffin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I think trp is really about how to use being a man as an advantage in life. Trp doesn't want anything from women. It's about how to get the most out of your life. It's helping men utilize masculinity to improve their sex life, work life, social life and personal life.

    For women I'm sure there's aspect of social dynamics discussed here that not all women are aware of so they could probably benefit from that. Also maybe they could become more aware of their own thoughts and actions but I don't think many women would react positively to the content here. I think a woman could also use the info here to learn how to manipulate a large majority of men at a very high rate and also be able to quickly discern which men she won't be able to manipulate. QBut it's intended to benefit men, not women so any benefit to women is purely coincidental.

    There's a few cons for men. One is you might have trouble with friends and family due to the crab bucket mentality. They want to see you succeed but not more than them. They will consciously and subconsciously try to bring you down to their level. Another problem I never see discussed here is that due to a lot of members disdain for commitment, a lot of guys here lose women because they won't commit. For example. I just lost a fwb of a year because I wouldn't commit. I knew it wouldn't last forever but to be frank it sucks. I know a lot of guys here wanna be tough guys and say oh that's a scarcity mentality and get over your oneitis you Pussy. But having a girl, especially one you've been seeing for a while, dump you just isn't fun. But it's part of the game. It'd like getting a dog. You know in about 10 years it's gonna die and it'll break your heart but you get one anyway because the good times are worth it.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You see guys posting "nothing" because the idea is to try to work with the environment rather than to try to change it, which would be Quixotic.

    But of course, the rants you see are behaviors that they don't like and that would ideally be different (the good stuff don't need rants so it can seem overly negative but they wouldn't post it if they didn't about some type of relationship with women). Stuff like false accusations, riding the CC while stringing along orbiters, divorce rape, etc. It'd be nice, though completely unrealistic, for communication to be straightforward. Guys do the same thing, though, even in non-romantic contexts, when they have choice. IE guys also multi-commit to activities and flake on the less desirable ones.

    The benefit for both sides of TRP is to be educated and to shed the BP upbringing with so many falsehoods. Benefit would be to waste less time/energy on social goals and to have a better shot of attaining what they want, for both sides. IE no orbiting for years on a dead end. And not being a plate/groupie for a girl when she wants something different. The posters on redpillwomen seem to do a good job of straightening each other out.

    [–]mummersfarce_is_done 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    TRP reddit is like a hospital (GayLube's words, not mine). There are cripples, sickly, psychologically unbalanced everywhere. Take that into account when browsing through it.

    [–]Jsieijejeieokkd 13 points14 points  (5 children)

    A blowjob and a sandwich

    [–]tonguexp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    From my readings this is most definitely not the case.

    Steak and intercourse is preached, but essentially respect in the relationship that yields high quality meals and loyal companionship.

    [–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    loyal companionship.

    Have you learned nothing here? She isn't yours. It is your turn. Respect is such a bullshit word. Briffault's Law is what matters.

    [–]tonguexp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Does not mean it is still not a more desired trait to the avg TRP man. It may be wrong to want it, the easy path, but still gravy if sexual tension is not needed.

    [–]tonguexp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Great read on the guts of hypergamy.

    [–]tonguexp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Great sub answer thou

    [–]SocietalEngineering 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Women get the benefit of a larger pool of strong men to choose from. The more redpilled men there are, the more likely a less desirable female will get a chance to be with one.

    Women should be championing redpilled ideas just as much as men - it helps both genders.

    [–]TaiserLaser 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    The bottom line core, undeniable goals of trp are:

    1. sex with attractive young "pre-wall" (under 30) girls who have had a minimal amount of sexual partners. And multiple so you don't get attached and get oneitis for one

    2.agency and self respect if you are in a ltr. being willing to draw lines and leave if they are crossed.

    Spend time here and it's clear as hell from the trends of posting.

    [–]brinkleybuzz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I see all these posts against LTRs and marriage

    Regarding marriage. Imagine you're taking a leisurely walk and see a sign in a field in front of you: "Beware of the mine field. You have at least a 50% chance of being blown up." Would you walk into that field? Probably not.

    This is the state of marriage today. A man has at least a 50 percent chance of having his life blown up if he gets married. Is that a risk the average man should take?

    ,>What does TRP actually want from women?

    Fairness. Relationships fail. We get that. It's not fair that a man should go broke, have his reputation tarnished or lose his freedom because of a failed relationship.

    The best thing YOU and others like you can do is talk some sense into your man-hating sisters. They are the reason TRP is a thing. Plus, there's nothing sexier than women who actually support their men.

    [–]tonguexp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Is this mgtow thinking and not rp?

    [–]zboo1h 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Trp doesn't have shit to do with women. It has to do with men improving themselves and not being little SoyBoys. Women are just an accessory to that improvement.

    But of course, like most women, you think it revolves around you.

    [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Umm, unrestrained SEX, hello...that's what TRP wants. Marriage is no longer seen as a means to that and it's questionable if it ever was. LTRs are a bit more effective at providing a man with that because it doesn't carry the same legal downsides as marriage. You should just follow what your own desires...GL.

    [–]Kommanderdude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Marriage was definitely a means to it. Go back a few hundred years and women didn’t date their husbands for 7 years before marrying. Often times they met the day of the wedding. It was a given the husband would get sex whenever he wanted regardless of her thoughts.

    Imagine the adrenaline rush for a woman’s hamster to get married to a guy she doesn’t know and then have him take her clothes off and fuck the shit out of her.

    [–]WolfenSatyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I don't want anything from women. There are things I'd like to see like accountability, but I've accepted that I won't see any changes while I walk the earth.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yet I see all these posts against LTRs and marriage and what not.

    Yes. Marriage is a fucking shitfest for men these days. It was never good. Now it's dire.

    LTR's: women change as you date them. After a few years, the relationship is worthless.

    What does TRP actually want from women?

    Not relevant because women don't care what we want from them, and can't change anyway.

    Is there a benefit for women?

    Of TRP? The benefit of being with a man who understands her.

    cons for men

    Of TRP? Yes. Short term pain.

    [–]ChadThundersmash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    ABSOLUTE EQUALITY in a 'merit only' based 'gender blind' system. I am a feminist's worst nightmare....
    While the law does not specifically indicate that custody must be awarded to women, the defacto result of caregiver custody law is that women have a legal right to be assumed caregivers for children. Men do not. Women cannot be forced or coerced into parenthood, but they are legally allowed to force men into financing their reproductive choices. In many states, men can be forced into financial responsibility for children whom they did not biologically father. As long as a particular man is identified as the father, he will be held accountable. Paternity fraud is defacto legal. Women achieve the right to VOTE by the simple act of surviving 18 years. Men may not actualize their basic rights as a citizen without first signing a Selective Service card, in which they agree that at the discretion of the democratically elected government, they will take up arms and risk death! Regardless of how you personally feel about the practice of circumcision, the legal fact is that infant girls are protected against any genital cutting of any kind and infant boys are not. The original FBI definition of rape specifically identified women as the victims, excluding the possibility of male rape victims. These are just the tip of a very large iceburg that ALL needs to change.

    [–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Cupcakes and pussy. I can take care of everything else for myself.

    Oh and if you get knocked up, take care of the kids. Properly... no Oprah and bonbons.

    Yet I see all these posts against LTRs and marriage and what not.

    Arguing about marriage is pointless. The problem isn't women. It's society.

    [–]Ou-tis 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    we want bobs and vagene because we are indian and cant get laid

    [–]mangoat12 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    That's funny considering India is overpopulated

    [–]zboo1h 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Mostly though it's just funny.

    [–]Soderbergh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Disagree with most of my brethren on this.

    TRP is strategic. It says do this or that and you will have success with women.

    But you cannot have a strategy about something, like literally to an obsessive level, as evidenced by how popular TRP is, and not have a relationship with that thing.

    Half this world is women and we love the heck out of women.

    With that said, in my opinion, TRP wants women to simply understand that men need to be men in a way that’s largely forgotten. That’s basically it.

    A lot of TRP men would have an easier time if women got that concept. However, that does not mean we stop being Red Pill if you don’t understand or get it.

    So call it a nice to have, not a must have.

    [–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    The Red Pill wants women to create it's future.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The future gets shoved out of their hole while they are sweating, panting and grunting. Then again, if done right, that's how it's put in the hole too.

      [–]Senior Endorsedmax_peenor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The future gets shoved out of their hole while they are sweating, panting and grunting. Then again, if done right, that's how it's put in the hole too.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I would say that is for the individual to decide. There is a whole married/LTR TRP subreddit after all.

      [–]kittenkinesis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Could you please link that subreddit? I tried looking it up on trp side bar and with google, but I can't find it.

      [–]LavaPipe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Be faithful and don’t try to tear men down from me personally

      [–]tonguexp 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Is there not a ying-yang thing with women tearing men down(hypergamy)?

      Does it not make men stronger alpha-betas?

      Hate, but enbrace the game not the player.

      [–]LavaPipe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That is a good point. With lots of men lacking strong male role models, sometimes women tearing down a man can be the catalyst he needs to become a man.

      [–]tonguexp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Op, think we could change your ask to, What do TRP men look for in women?

      As others said, we need/expect/want nothing. Somethings that we find attractive about women differ wildly man to man. And differ just as much in various stages of the relationship cycle.

      However there are some common traits TRP men are attracted to that if women naturally possess would match up well. - Calm, careful, compassionate, passionate, responsible, social, independent, loyal, reasonable, powerful, resourceful, willing, open, experienced ...

      Some less desirable traits: -Wild, unpredictable, instigating, negativity, isolated, misaligned loyalty, abusive, icy, lazy, wasteful, trampy, naive, uneducateable, inexperienced,

      The pros and cons columns could be endlessly tossed. And to be honest, RPW does a great job at preping 'rules girls' into RPW. Their list will likely more intuitively complete.

      [–]Ninokun -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

      Some Dudes here are Assholes.

      But generally most just want to be respected as a Man, and here they learn how to be respected by Women, mostly by not acting like a little Bitch.

      Even though many here seem to despise LTRs thats not really the Case. General Advice is dont invest in Broken Currency. Reward Good Behaviour.

      Also Every Woman is basically the Same, Act accordignly and the Rest will follow. there are only truths here, no romantic Wishes or Ideals.

      as to ur Question? Probably no even though we dont advice doing any Harm to Women its mostly about how to Overcome Male Hardships and how to make the best out of the Situation for urself as a Man.

      [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

      Some dudes here are assholes

      The rightous Cap'n save a hoe to the rescue

      [–]Ninokun -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

      fucking hell eat your Milk Nigger, i dont give a shit about the OP, she can go to fuck herself 10 Times over, doesnt mean this Subreddit isnt infested with Assholes, in any Context u may see it.

      [–]That_Deaf_Guy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Some Dudes here are assholes

      fucking hell eat your Milk Nigger

      Didn't have to look very far.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      The rightous Cap'n save a nigger to the rescue

      [–]thisguyPlaysPoE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      shut up, blooper.