47
48

So "The Red Pill" movie is debuting soon. Was there any input from TRP mods or endorsed members? (self.asktrp)

submitted by kevin32

http://www.theredpillmovie.com/see.html

I'm looking at the credits of those being interviewed, and it's mostly comprised of MRAs, but not sure in what context will the info be presented.

I think the documentary is a good start for generating awareness of men's challenges in a feminist culture, but I don't think it would be complete without a discussion about dating, hypergamy, and female sexual behavior.


[–]Modbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

This isn't about our TRP, it's more about MRAs.

Paul Elam of A Voice For Men used to talk about taking the red pill in his videos and spoke of men waking up to the risks marriage and kids pose to men in our current legal climate. That, the hyperbole and strong language used by MRAs to get the media's attention about men's issues, and some flavor of MGTOW is what this documentary is about.

My guess as to the flow of the film will be how she was a staunch feminist and thought these guys were man-children whiners, but then as she begins to listen to them it turns out they make sense wrt double standards and such. In the end she'll probably present herself as having become a much more moderate feminist, or perhaps scraps that identity entirely switching over to being egalitarian.

She may even capstone the video with how radical and vitriolic the left has become after her experiencing severe backlash and yellow journalism by leftist media when she did her Kickstarter campaign a while back.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 96 points97 points  (14 children)

I contacted her about contributing on behalf of TRP. Last October. She got all the footage she wanted of fat fuck MRAs crying to her, and her being a sympathetic mommy. That's the angle she wanted to go with.

She didn't want hardliners dropping truth bombs and flexing biceps.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 48 points49 points  (8 children)

A woman thinking she can speak on behalf of TRP, typical. All these people trying to ride the red pill bandwagon for a piece of the popularity pie. She just wanted to attention whore and develop good image validation as you said in more eloquent terms.

It is astonishing what lengths women go through to attentionwhore. The most common form is the moralsignaling/plausible deniable combo.

ex: Girl stands in front of horse with booty shorts on. Caption: "I love animals. Animal cruety makes me so mad!" I gurantee you'll see that in this movie.

I cant believe people gave a woman money to speak on behalf of men -- a ridiculous concept. Society has sunk so low in loser that only women are allowed to be our talk piece.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 26 points27 points  (6 children)

Women have a biological need to status signal which is beyond a doubt what she did. I can't really fault her for that it's just what women do. Kind of how cats scratch up furniture.

The real Cucks in this cuckpile is Paul Elam and Dean Esmay. They reek of desperation for female attention and approval. They were looking for a mommy to pat them on the head and tell them that they are good little boys.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 16 points17 points  (3 children)

We're not expecting these guys to be muscular alpha chads, just dont be a pussy. Is that so hard?

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 34 points35 points  (2 children)

If you spent enough time on askTRP you would know that for most men not being a pussy is very hard.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right in the fucking post history feels, this is so true it hurts.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did Elam ever take your cooking advice?

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Kind of how cats scratch up furniture.

Excellent comparison.

[–]pat_fenis_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i dont think you get it. they played it smart. a bunch of dues doing this looks like cry babies and manchildren. if a woman shows public support it will be looked at as more credible.thats the truth of the matter.you can hit her with all the "truth bombs" you want but you will just be considered another neckbeard and your opinions and fact be looked at as nothing.and to be honest you are a complainer.women dont take your claims seriously=problem and they are man haters, woman takes your problems serious?=attention whore.you are like sjws in reverse.no pleasing you lol.fuckin hell dude

[–]redpill_odyssey 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The reason a feminist "woman" is doing the film is because every man knows that MRA/TRP is drowned out and marked as a hate group. Anything that does not conform the current society will be muted by feminists.

You can even see it at work in the sneak peak of this "documentary". Even while interviewing neckbeards/beta's, the creator of the documentary still denied that men have it worse in society.

because the US government does not want to send you to die, they would rather send me to die

93% of work place fatalities are men, 4/5 suicides are men

all these discriminations are happening in a society that doesn't even allow us to talk about them

How does she react?

"I think I agree with everything you said, but there's still this unsettling doubt. You know sometimes I think the MRA's are duping me, and giving such a strong pitch about what they believe in to convince me of something that is just some out there theory that men are discriminated against, and women have the advantage."

She was presented with facts, and she still denies it. This just shows that women are not arguing with logic, and that they are solipsistic. Don't talk about fight club, and reap the benefits of playing the system.

[–]1grubek 5 points6 points  (3 children)

The movie uses the Matrix theme of TRP as a way to describe that there is a different reality to feminism and that is Mensrights.

The movie has nothing to do with our TRP. That will confuse a lot of people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The promo video narrator specifically calls out "Reddit's TRP message board" as a distilled and remote safe haven for internet hatred and vitriol.

[–]redditatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see the confusion as beneficial. I say let the world think TRP is Beta MRA, it only serves to keep us underground. If true TRP goes mainstream too fast, I don't think the fallout would be good for anyone.

[–]abcd_z 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. Before TRP was a thing, PUA used the same terminology.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

flexing biceps.

On camera

[–]Sementeries 17 points18 points  (7 children)

If I'm not mistaken, it's made by a feminist, so there's that.

[–]Swelfie 2 points3 points  (6 children)

watch the trailer. its a hit piece.

[–]The__Tren__Train 6 points7 points  (5 children)

I'm not sure id agree.. It showed the obvious media bias... Being obvious media bias.. Anti-MRA folks just shouting buzzwords, the MRAs using reasonably well-supported arguments

And it even went on to show (rather hefty) women citing instances of the truly bizarre societal bias in favor of women (the San Luis Obispo case where the woman raped the little boy, then successfully collected child support from him).

[–]Swelfie 12 points13 points  (4 children)

It does, but I think the trailer is showing a bit of a skewed view to attract a wider audience. The very opening is making fun of the MRA movement "There has never been a larger gatherings, blah blah" and then a zoom out to show only a handful of people. They then present some arguments that sound interesting (but include a few pretty ludicrous ones that are inaccurate or hyperbole). Then they conflate MRA with Red Pill to confuse the issue, and then the "rational feminists" come on to "balance the argument" and show that yes, there may be a few minor concerns, but the vast majority of the arguments presented by the MRA's are patriarchial bias. They rationally deal with these emotionally disturbed men, soothe them, show them the error of their ways, and show how what really needs to happen is to let go of our culturally ingrained bigotry and instead of getting upset that your women aren't barefoot and pregnant and making you sammiches, you realize how much better we all are when we are equals. Silly Red Pillers. They don't really hate women, they are just emotional betas who can't deal with the loss of the patriarchy. They need to be educated on how not to rape culture it up because they aren't really horrible people, they are just misinformed and insecure. Take pity on them. By pitying them we shame them. By successfully shame them we show them as betas who weren't men worth listening to in the first place. Real men don't get pity.

Total hit piece. But very well crafted. It's a common political script and it works well. Take the group you dislike. Find a pitiful group of losers with a bit of overlap. Call those losers the group you dislike to conflate identity. Work to understand the losers and why they are upset with being losers. Show them how life could be better if they weren't such losers. Group hug, now we can all get along. You take the moral high ground, you went out of your way to listen to your strawman opponents view, you destroyed the strawman. Enemy is now always the strawman in your viewer's eyes. Your enemy has lost their voice.

[–]Thewelshpill 0 points1 point  (3 children)

we should have done this with al qaeda

[–]Swelfie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Naw. We didn't want to silence al queda. In that case they wanted a manufactured enemy to justify increase regulation and control the political agenda. It's because al queda is a minor threat to the establishment. You only silence major threats, not minor ones. Notice how this video gives voice to MRA while silencing TRP. It's because MRA will never gain widespread traction, so they are useful to keep around to show how persecuted you are. A group of people who disagree with you rationally while espousing a path of personal betterment is a much more formidable foe. You use your weak enemies to silence your stronger ones who might actually be able to outmaneuver you.

In the case of al queda, who really couldn't hurt much once they pulled their trump card, and even if they could, they would never garner public sympathy or political support, they could be used to restrict rights of people who otherwise would have won legitimate court cases or down-voted legislation. With al qaeda we can set up secret courts where the rulings are unknown, disappear people in the name of public security and pass laws where just political opposition will lable you a terrorist sympathizer. Same reason they keep marijuana illegal (although the usefulness of that is fading as it becomes more accepted and harder to demonize), and we kept gay marriage illegal for so long even though it hurt absolutely no one. Just watch, every time there is a major political move (whenever people start losing interest in the reality TV series like the Trump/Hillary show) and they need a huge new unpopular law passed or some major group is caught taking bribes... Someone will threaten to make abortion illegal and the whole nation will rise to it's feet in a Jerry Springer like brawl. They've got ruling thing down pretty well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spot on strategic analysis.

Bread & Circus of the modern times.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

al qaeda

They were never a true threat to anyone really. The idea that you can bring back a caliphate from the 700s and unite the Arab world behind it is ridiculous in the modern political climate. ISIS learned this the hard way like Al Qaeda did.

[–]Sepean 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's about MRA, not TRP.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they did have that MRA-type meeting thing in the trailer that got overrun by leftoid protesters right about the time you thought a drum circle might break out.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You know how sometimes a woman shows up at The Red Pill and a bunch of loser guys start spewing out long-winded comments explaining everything to her and rationalizing and justifying and trying to make her understand? And she just says the occasional one-line response that's not entirely negative, so the guys go on with even longer diatribes? That's, essentially, failing an internet shit test.

Well, this movie is like that. Some woman showed up and told some fatass loser MRA wackos, "I want to make a sympathetic movie about your cause", and they nearly fell over themselves to be first in line to whine the loudest and cry on camera to please this girl.

It's a hit-piece disguised as an even-handed documentary. The MRAs do a good enough job of debasing themselves. All you have to do to discredit the manosphere is show crazy-eyed, bearded, fatass losers whining and ranting about shit and crying on camera, then say, "This is the Men's Rights Movement." and you don't even need to debate or combat the issue. The MRAs debased themselves for you.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I could guess that it's going to be a total piece of garbage based on the fact that she's interviewing MRA's. Maybe I'm defeatist, but I'm of the belief that the world just is the way it is, and you're better off figuring out how to make that work for you than trying to change it. Accept that things are as they are, and make yourself great according to the cards that you're dealt.

[–]Oftowerbroleaning 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I heard Milo Yiannopoulos actually approves of it. That's at least uplifting.

[–]Modbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He single-handedly saved the film's kickstarter. If it weren't for his Breitbart article she'd have never gotten the funding needed to finish it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Here is the thing... I garuntee you the whole movie about MRA's will be discussed by feminists, and will be turned into a feminism issue.

These guys failed a giant shit test. Any hope they had of being taken seriously is now done.

[–][deleted]  (6 children)

[deleted]

[–]Oftowerbroleaning 14 points15 points  (2 children)

They didn't need MRA in your grandfathers day. There has to be SOME sort of counter to the feminism destroying western culture.

[–]wanderer779 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fuck your grandfather, maybe instead of siting around getting drunk he should have been doing something to oppose the people whose decisions led to the shitshow our civilization has become.

Seriously though, i mean no offense and I'm sure you're grandfather was a bad mfer. But the game has so totally changed that his strategies don't work anymore. It's kind of like saying "what's with this sissy forward pass? In my day you just handed off to the fullback and earned your yards like a man.". Being tough and silent isn't working anymore. My dad was tough and silent and did his job as a man. No one in my family respects him for it except his only son (me). Wife controls everything and he could do nothing about it because of our fucked up laws. Squandered all his money, talks bad about him, disrespects him, etc.

Edit: Looks like I replied to the wrong comment. I can't get copy to work on my phone so I'm leaving it

[–]Squeezymypenisy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

How did we let the world to come to this. Men's rights activists? My grandfather would choke on his whiskey if he heard this.

Women got the right to vote in the 20s. Your grandfather or his father went along with that/didn't do much to oppose it.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truly the second biggest mistake the west ever made.

[–]WeedDaddy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because your grandfather and the male majority of his generation didn't care about politics.

[–]ventuspilot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the trailer it seems to be a good documentation.

The title seems to be misleading, though: The Red Pill for me means unlearning indoctrination and self improvement, the movie is about how society throws men under the bus and no one cares.

Generating awareness of men's challenges in a feminist culture is a noble goal, even without a discussion about dating, hypergamy, and female sexual behavior.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

I look at it as a step (albeit a small one) in the right direction.

The truth is difficult to accept - that there is inherent differences between men and women.

You have to remember, if you have been following Wikileaks at all - you'll notice that there exists a vast amount of financial resources out there pushing concepts of androgyny, trying to supplant traditional male-female gender roles/identities with alternative ones. To us the reason seems obvious - to destroy family support systems and replace them with dysfunction, weakening the general population.

On one hand the movie is progress because it dares to defy the concept that all women are victims of this phantom entity called The Patriarchy.

On the other hand, as GLO points out elsewhere in the thread, it's pretty misandrist in that it continues to show men as weak - like we need to hide behind the director's skirt while she fights for us because we can't do it ourselves.

Sympathy can be an effective societal device - it's worked very well for feminists, but remember at the top of the caustic shitpile of corruption driving society are men picking and choosing what gets play on their platforms. So the power of the woman in society is an illusion. Without men operating from the shadows pulling their marionette strings (via financing their advocacy movements) feminism would have been laughed out of the room long ago. Instead, now we have women going to HR claiming they are afraid because a man in their office dared to show wrongthink on social media.

We live an age were if someone (read:a woman) doesn't particularly care for you for whatever reason, they can stalk your social media accounts looking to dig up whatever dirt they can - and get you fired even if they've never had any personal interaction with you. They can harass you without consequence and you are considered the oppressor.

Many companies have adopted the dystopian standard of declaring any wrongthink at all - in any forum online anywhere - is grounds for firing. If any of us were to work for a company that has adopted this "code of conduct" our participation in this sub would be grounds for firing. Its Orwellian. Lets not forget though - if not for extremely powerful men these harpies would have no leverage whatsoever.

Think about it - colleges have a 39% male population rate. Now granted, colleges have become a sewer of Marxism and female enrollment growth is buoyed by the proliferation of nonsense degree offerings, but just who serves to benefit from preventing men from getting educated? From having strong families or a rich job market? Feminists are their pawns in this hegemonic game.

Me personally, I'm cautiously optimistic, but I think the jury's still out on where this movie will slide into the lexicon of propaganda out there that shits up society.

[–]kevin32[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

at the top of the caustic shitpile of corruption driving society are men picking and choosing what gets play on their platforms. So the power of the woman in society is an illusion.

Maybe I'm taking things too much at face value, but the "power of the woman" appears to have a strong foothold in American society, with women being put in strategic decision-making positions (i.e. HR, news media) that would generally be more supportive of the woman in cases where opposing parties are man vs woman.

I would ask for evidence of these men at the top, but then I would also ask if they are married or otherwise have women whispering in their ears to push some feminist agenda.

I'm sure you've read The Manipulate Man. And if what it said is true, then the manipulation likely goes all the way to the top of the social class.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Sure there are women all over the landscape playing their roles just like there are men doing the same - at best all effecting the world in small ways, but I'm talking about what's at the top of the pyramid - even CEOs have bosses. Those that control capital control everything else.

The things uttered by politicians, the shit you see on the TV and read on the major news sites - what gets presented and what get censored - all happens at the discretion of the very few that control wealth. They are men.

[–]kevin32[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm talking about the top of the pyramid as well, the people behind the public faces, the billionaires. But if these billionaires are men who are making the decisions driving society, it begs the question:

Why are these men allowing the feminist agenda to steamroll though the culture with little regard for men?

My suspicion being, sure the billionaires are men, but it appears they are blue pills being manipulated by women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My suspicion being, sure the billionaires are men, but it appears they are blue pills being manipulated by women.

That's not suspicion. At that level pussy is completely ubiquitous.

Being able to navigate your way through romantic relationships is game 101. Its entry level shit. You're supposed to learn and become proficient by the time you reach 30 or 35 at the latest. Many guys figure it out way earlier than that.

Now its a sad commentary that there are men in their 40s and beyond being blue pill fools - and that's become more proliferated in the current times - but make no mistake - men that control banking and media aren't being led around by their noses hard up for a piece of ass.

Billionaire divorce rape stories are rare and when you do find one you get a little glimpse into what the ultra wealthy do to conceal their wealth. These people are adept keeping their fortunes outside the reach of governments - the same governments they control. If these men wield great political power, how are women going to use governmental authority against them? Think about it. What real power do women have that isn't directly enforced by state authority? The power to use sexuality to entice and manipulate? When you are that fucking rich, everything is in abundance - especially pussy. When you live above the law - you are free from codified consequence written to grant angry females their vehicles of harm.

Wealth is not abundant. In this world, people commonly sell out for it. They beg, clamor and scheme to sell out for it. There are no small supply of people short on integrity and character willing to do whatever is required in order to gain a certain standard of living. Billionaires control these people like puppets. For example, look at what happened to Julian Assange. Wikileaks is a Transparent window into the world of corruption. That guy lives locked in an Ecuadorian Embassy in London because right away women accused him of rape when he became an actual threat. Getting those charges against him was easy. On average women are infinitely more malleable as pawns as men are. Social justice and political correctness are methods the wealthy and powerful employ to suppress unwanted ideas and dogmas in society.

Now definitely there are pretenders that seem rich to the common cattle (such as you or I) - and they get often get worked by scheming females - but that's not representative of what's happening at the very top of the pyramid.

[–]kevin32[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Billionaire divorce rape stories are rare and when you do find one you get a little glimpse into what the ultra wealthy do to conceal their wealth. These people are adept keeping their fortunes outside the reach of governments - the same governments they control. If these men wield great political power, how are women going to use governmental authority against them?

If these men wield great political power, we should never hear a bitter billionaire divorce rape case. Why would they allow themselves be exposed if they're in control? And they wouldn't even have to shelter their wealth to the extent they appear to. They would simply be exempt from anything that would touch their money for the simple reason that they are in control. Though to your credit I suppose we could say that you got to throw in a few scapegoats in the public eye to give the appearance that not even the rich are immune to being targeted and made an example, which reminds me a little of Animal Farm.

Overall I see your point to an extent, though I want to be clear that when I said these billionaires were likely "blue pills being manipulated by women," I didn't mean that they were doing it for pussy. I'm sure most of them have mistresses or pay high class prostitutes for sex.

I only meant that when they give the green light to push a feminist agenda, being men who grew up in a male-dominated society, I suspected they didn't know to what extent that agenda would adversely affect men, hence why this documentary is being made.

Your argument is "men have the money, they make the decisions, they're in control." And all I'm saying is there's a lot of feminized shit happening in society to the detriment of man, to say that it's a small group of rich men doing it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If these men wield great political power, we should never hear a bitter billionaire divorce rape case. Why would they allow themselves be exposed if they're in control?

There is always a bigger fish. Don't think for a moment that the wife actually got the whole 4.5B settlement. The case was settled and the numbers not disclosed.

Though to your credit I suppose we could say that you got to throw in a few scapegoats in the public eye to give the appearance that not even the rich are immune to being targeted and made an example, which reminds me a little of Animal Farm.

Could be it - could also be that they had enemies. PC smear campaigns and pro-women litigation as we well know are convenient and effective ways of fucking with someone. When a bigger fish wants to muddy your waters its certainly an option. Rybolovlev was banging chicks left and right so you know the wife got super pissed. It doesn't take much imagination to see the possibility of her getting supplied with evidence of his shady art dealings to use as leverage. He had a weakness - it was exploited. Also, look at the press coverage his divorce got. How does that find its way into the news? Dude had enemies.

I only meant that when they give the green light to push a feminist agenda, being men who grew up in a male-dominated society, I suspected they didn't know to what extent that agenda would adversely affect men, hence why this documentary is being made. Your argument is "men have the money, they make the decisions, they're in control." And all I'm saying is there's a lot of feminized shit happening in society to the detriment of man, to say that it's a small group of rich men doing it.

They don't give a fuck about the lives of men - how this shit stew fucks up society and all that jazz - all they care about is how it benefits them personally. The scale they live on, they are dealing in aggregates. Weaker masses are easier to manipulate and control. Also, in a politically correct society, any man can be easily ruined with slander. Being labeled a racist, sexist or worse will fuck you up - especially as the stakes get higher. The more you have to lose, the more you need to stay in line and not be outspoken.

Oligarchs don't live with the same rules that govern you or I - or even the people we consider rich. They are immune to the effects of slander and they are beyond the prosecution of law. This is the world we live in.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They appropriated the TRP label without being in any way RedPill. It's more MRA/beta-whining than anything else.

That said, it's going to shine a light on the manosphere at the very least.

[–]rangamatchstick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I dont even know if its really TRP, as in its about the Mens rights movement which is talked about under the TRP banner but its not the main focus or goal of TRP, still will be a good documentary to see and seems to be made well.

[–]Diarrhea_Van_Frank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks like steamy dog shit. She interviewed the loserest neckbeards she could find. There was no way this was ever going to be good.

[–]rayboomboom 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is this a good idea, I'm thinking that if this movie is released it may inspire a bunch of hamsters to learn this golden knowledge; build resistance towards game etc?

[–]Vrixithalis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then we'll probably see a lot more MGTOW's.

[–]2comment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never heard of it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no, I was hoping this wouldn't actually get the funding needed.

But at the same time, it will turn off even more men to TRP and that means more for us.

Fuck it.

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True feminists would stop using the tools and inventions of their patriarchal oppressors (: