[Personal Advice.] [M28.] I've seen SO MUCH LIFE-DESTROYING INFIDELITY in my life. I now look at all women now feeling great reactivity unconscious anger. What else can I do here, and not MGTOW after ALL THIS STRAIGHT TRUTH? (self.asktrp)

submitted by A1d4n_18

Okay, you're a random on the internet, please be totally honest. Please, if you are in a happy healthy relationship: I've seen A LOT of married men and women sleeping on their partner "it just happened" "I was drunk" blah blah. They never tell him, or her. So many horror stories. Anyways, I'm scarred now, traumatized, seriously, it's so bad.

So, like, get this. You see "the man or woman of your dreams" out there and decide to marry: the chance of this person over SOOOOOOO many years... in a marriage it's like what, 25+ YEARS together or more, them NOT cheating on you is so low, or having and accidentally being turned on by SOMEONE at some point and then unconsciously acting on those feelings in a moment of temptation and weakness or being drunk or being in the devil's den or whatever, with another attractive human being the chance is SO HIGH that they will like most definitely cheat on you at some point in the future.

So, before I see any woman now, I just think, "What's the point, they're just going to cheat anyways. Why even bother?" I am leaning towards MGTOW, what other reason do I have? Put yourself in my shoes, what would you think?

I even get angry now, and feel super bad for these "moms" pushing around baby strollers and stuff and feel bad for the poor deluded sap sitting back home aka "the husband". I've seen too much. Married men cheating. Housewives cheating. I even see and read so many articles like this on a daily basis from men with LOADS of experience with SOOOOOOOOO many women across multiple cultures:

"Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn’t change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I fuck her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won’t feel guilty when I fuck her because now it’s “my fault.” Sometimes she hides it from me until after I’ve fucked her, then she admits it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she’s on the phone with her man, giving him some bullshit story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes on, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most – loyalty – is just not there with women. Women don’t think in terms of honor, women don’t say “word is bond;” women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her own inner self and having emotional realizations. That’s why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc."

So, if in your honest experience, and mine is vast and wide, I've just seen a pattern with most women:

They A) Marry the boring nice stable guy, and B) Fuck the fun guy behind his back, unconsciously intentionally or otherwise. She's going to get hit up by some dude, at some point. And there's always another more attractive mate around the corner, life fact.

In ALLLLLL Those years you're together, how can there not be a moment where she slips up? She's human. So is the guy. There's not NOT going to be a fight, a time you were tired after work and cranky, neglected your partner, or said something mean for a split second, maybe was too tired to have sex and fell asleep when she was horny and you weren't or vice versa etc, and new facebook message comes in from that cute guy at work. They can rationalize it and go get it in a second. "Picking up something at the store, be home in 20min." Create fake fights to feel good about herself and her actions "because you weren't there for her" or whatever other excuse literally anyone can use. And then "rightfully" they go cheat, because X Y Z. It's just bound to happen at some point, there are SO MANY attractive people out there. A "deal under the table" during a boring obligatory marriage contract that after so many years things will probably get stale and boring and monotonous and she will want something different, like that guy at work with the cute butt. (Same goes for guys..... that cute chick at work who smells a little differently, has that adorable laugh, etc.)

So, many dudes who have experienced many women say similar things like: Nice guys are like salads, everyone knows they're good for them, but they don't like them. Bad boys are like pizza, they know it's bad for them, but they want it and often "behind his back" eat it and go get it. I've been literally both guys, I've had multiple women across multiple times in my life, with their husband (an honest working, awesome guy, sacrificing his health and wealth to put a roof over her head) literally try to put her hand down my pants as her husband and child are in the next freaking room.

I've had women pushing strollers give me the "I want you now" eyes on the street when I'm out jogging in my neighborhood. Feel bad for the poor husband sitting back home trusting her? Giving up his life and time for her, essentially?

I've seen other men commit suicide to their cheating wives, for years behind their backs when they finally found out, she was using Tinder inviting over guys while he was out working all day. It's just so easy. What security do any of us have, there's ALWAYS another fresh attractive mate out there. I've seen other men run SCREAMING out of their houses, shit thrown all over the lawn, hysterical, looking like they're about to throw up. The woman crying trying to hold on to him saying sorry.

I could go on and on. My whole life. Overwhelming evidence. You get it. I have so many things like this showing me the nature of the chaos of human sexuality that have happened to me in my lifetime up to this point. I'm over "the game" this sh!t seems rigged. Why date? Why approach? They're just MOST LIKELY going to cheat, so why bother?

The final kicker, sharing more of my life experience here, and THANK YOU FOR THE HELP IF YOU'VE EXPERIENCED SOMETHING DIFFERENT: My ex-gf I lived with for 2 years, sweet girl, turns out she was cheating on me behind my back with two dudes. TWO. And get this. I found out because a guy told me, his friend, his friends brother, AND her family member called me up heartbroken and felt bad for me and told me. I came home and asked her about it. SHOCKED. She pretended to not know. Not one iota of her revealed the slightest twitch in revealing she did this at all. Like, I knew for an absolute fact she did, and it was like her DNA, her instinct, I couldn't detect the slightest trace of it in her bodylanguage, vocal tonality, eye contact, all of it, her for sure lies. Three sources all confirmed, different times. What is up with this infidelity thing, right?

THAT WAS SO SHOCKING, I literally do not trust women now. Can you blame me? It's like they're wired to cheat or something: to get the best hottest alpha sperm cells for their babies, and then make the betas unknowingly raise the kid or provide for them when they get depserate in old ahe and settle for the peasants, while ALWAYS secretly wanting to fuck the King. Hypergamy 101. That was so spooky seeing it real time happen. I couldn't detect the slightest trace that she cheated. It was like she was evolutionarily literally wired to do it. Later, like WAY later, she finally admitted she did in a drunken fight. So 100% she did. I could not detect it, at all. KAY.I've had precisely 4 women do the following, their boyfriends were away in college, one tugged me up into her bed and we played and sh!t when I was crashing in her room on her floor, another came over "for homework" and tried seducing me and gave me a BJ on my bed, I could go on and on. This just seems, in my mind, to be natural male-female behavior. Cheating. Frequently.

But I'll never forget my-ex that showed me how evolutionarily skilled women seem to be at lying. Again, you feel me? I COULD NOT DETECT it in her bodylanguage, tone of voice, anything. It was so scary. I don't know if men posses this same ability, so it's each sex, I'm NOT sexist, they both cheat, I am just sharing my experiences. My point is:

So, rightfully so, NOW, I am no longer naive boy with a Disneyland wish in his heart, I see a woman, I immediately think "She's just going to cheat, anyway, why even bother?" I then get all MGTOW. I guess girls look at me like a jerk or something and give me this vibe like I don't want to nor am willing to give them the time of day, but seriously, what do you expect me to think, feel or act, after all I've experienced in my life? I mean after ALL THAT, what else am I supposed to think? If this is an unhealthy mindset, it's based in reality, so what's a healthy one, also based in reality? Why wouldn't I be the tiniest bit suspicious of any woman now? Feeling sorry for guys out on dates opening car doors and sh!t? There's always another attractive partner around the corner, how could either sex NOT face extreme temptation, break down willpower, and cheat at some point? Is this jealousy? Am I too jealous or possessive? What else am I supposed to do, act, think, or behave like? Just let her go and fuck who she wants and whatever whenever, because that's life? Move on and be happy? Single, forever now, probably, because I feel like what dumbass (evidence apparent and obvious) dates long term and marries, am I right?

Like throwing a steak in a dog pen expecting the dog not to salivate for 30 years+. Uhuh. See my point? "Trust" and expecting her to not cheat: It feels like stupidity, ignorance, naivety and blindness, honestly.

THANK YOU! I hope I could open my heart again. But the odds and chances of infidelity are ridiculously heart-pounding fucking high. This world....... I've seen too much.

TL;DR: I am scarred. I've seen SO MUCH cheating happen, on both sides: married women throwing themselves at me, friends lives destroyed, suicidal husbands finding out, etc. I literally react in my body and get angry now before I see any woman, anywhere, at any time. I can't trust them (evidence above) I literally do not want to approach and think the words "She's just going to cheat on you anyways, so why bother?" On a long enough timeline, this is probably definitely going to happen at some point with a more attractive mate with any relationship, right? You don't possess anyone, so is this jealousy? How else can I think about this? Or what do I do? There are ALWAYS healthier, smarter, younger, faster, sexier, stronger mates out there - that your partner WILL be sexually attracted to, and you as well, so WTF? Why does anyone even approach and how can any dude marry a woman? Are they just clueless? I see guys out on dates and almost want to laugh, it's so sad, again, are they just clueless? I don't get what other life options I have, be single "informed" and alone forever, strictly friends with people, not get involved because of the overwhelming odds of them just cheating on you at some point over a long enough timeline?

[–]Borsao66 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Anger phase is angry.

[–]muddynips 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yea you can tell it's fresh, the anger is hot off the press.

[–]A1d4n_18[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

LOL, yeah, I am totally angry. Like. How can I not be? Am I just supposed to expect positive things? "Nah, she won't probably cheat, I'll approach." ? Dude I've seen too much.

[–]Borsao66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm probably 30+ years older than the average trp poster. When you think you've seen it all, women will still come up with stupid shit.

[–]talexanderc 58 points59 points  (4 children)

Good, but can you make a tl;dr for the tl;dr

[–]TipsyLeo 9 points10 points  (3 children)

And then maybe add another tl;dr for the tl;dr of the tl:dr

[–]MarvelousWhale 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Here I'll tl;dr for you

"I just entered the anger phase, what do?"

[–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"I just entered the anger phase, what do?"

Hahaha, is there a shortcut post for this? I guess I am angry about it. It sucks. How does anyone approach with thinking this truth?

[–]MarvelousWhale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no shortcuts, learn to love the struggle we're all going through

[–]Retstortion 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Brother, do not expect them to commit to you. Establish boundaries and if they cross them, NEXT.

Do not expect them to be loyal. Ever.

[–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Then how will I ever raise a family? Talk about generations of fucked up kids, without a stable home, if mommy and daddy are promiscuous whores.

[–]TheReformist94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's so fucked up. I think I'm gonna MGTOW. Or just cheat yourself. I don't know how people on here aren't angry. It's not anger phase. It's women cucking the shit out of men on a massive scale, and they can do it at a drop of a hat

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[–]A1d4n_18[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you give up on trying to find "the one" then you won't care so much. You have a good relationship with a girl for a while then she cheats on you? Whatever the goal was just to enjoy it for a while anyway, no need to get butthurt at normal human behavior. On to the next

Nice, right? I guess that's the most anyone could hope for, beyond that is perfectionism.

Thx for the input man.

[–]francie-brady 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah! That's the spirit!

[–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then how will I ever raise a family, a beautiful home with beautiful kids and a really close life partner to share travel and stuff with? If AWALT, and you swallow trp: Talk about generations of fucked up kids, without a stable home, if mommy and daddy are promiscuous whores.

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[–]Retstortion 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Quality post. Depressing but true

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    [–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This. She's human. So am I. I've cheated, too. Perfectionism?

    [–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Thanks so much for your perspective.

    It points out that there are tons of options, but first you have to learn the hard truths because the only real options are the ones based on reality.

    This. This is why I posted. I can't walk forward blindly thinking she is just gonna be faithful 100% forever, so I'm struggling to deal with these emotions and still open my heart and home to her.

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      [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I would like to have beautiful kids and a nice home and life with a great woman, dude, so swallowing trp just sees that as impossible because AWALT? How does anyone create a stable home? What kind of life are the kids going to ever have, multi-generationally, if the women are whores and the men, too?

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        [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        But here's my thing with it: That's unrealistic. There's ALWAYS a younger, healthier, smarter, sexier, stronger mate around every corner, everywhere. It's not realistic ANY of us can "be her best mate" for long, ESPECIALLY marriage. So how do we deal?

        [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Then how will I ever raise a family? Talk about generations of fucked up kids, without a stable home, if mommy and daddy are promiscuous whores.

        [–][deleted]  (1 child)


          [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You're wrong. I've worked with many LMFT and they all say THE MOST fucked up families are the kids from homes with swingers. Thanks for the advice though.

          [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Then women shouldn't demand monogamy and commitment. Spin it how you want married women take the fucking piss

          [–]boy_named_su 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          Adderall is a helluva drug

          [–]upvotelogic 15 points16 points  (11 children)

          You can lower the risk of infidelity by being part of a religious community, finding a submissive foreign woman, and remaining aware of female nature.

          If you've considered every possibility and prepare yourself for the worst, you'll be able to weather the storm if and when it hits. Focus on what you can control and forget the rest.

          [–]BurningOrangeHeaven 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          In my opinion - the foreign women well is soon to dry up since they are now exposed to hoeing via the internet.


          [–]upvotelogic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I agree. I still believe in the potential of patriarchal societies, but that grip seems to be loosening. The internet has corrupted many of us.

          [–]BloodSurgery 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          You can lower the risk of infidelity by being part of a religious community,

          How does it work? I mean, I dont get why being part of a religion would help.

          [–]rpkarma 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          It doesn’t.

          [–]anonimac42 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          sure it does, traditional Islam gives the husband the right to have the woman publicly stoned if she is unfaithful

          That is an evolutionary motivation not to do it, survival.

          [–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Which doesn’t help you in the western world.

          [–]anonimac42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          but it can, research, convert and spread the word of the prophet

          [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          sure it does, traditional Islam gives the husband the right to have the woman publicly stoned if she is unfaithful

          That is an evolutionary motivation not to do it, survival.

          Which is why I think they're wired to show 0.00% trace of infidelity. Many women were literally killed in the past for it by their tribe and need the deception to survive. I've witnessed this spooky sh!t.

          [–]upvotelogic 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          Women are generally less intelligent and trustworthy than men. A high maintenance religion gives them structure and incentive to remain faithful (family focused traditional roles, fear of public shame or divine punishment, rewards for obedience, etc.)

          The book of god says adultery is one of the worst sins. A church-going, stay-at-home mother of three, held accountable by a community of believers, is far less likely to risk an affair than a career-driven, wine-drinking, yoga mom.

          [–]throwaway642455 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Women are generally less intelligent and trustworthy than men

          Source? Let’s not make the TRP community look bad by making statements that are purely misogynistic

          [–]seedster5 8 points9 points  (13 children)

          Dude I'm not even gonna bother reading half of your stuff becayae it's just rambling. Let me let you in on something.


          However, there are women out there who know better. They want that family because they know the end result of being a hoe is instant gratification. The red pill teaches you how to weed them out and stop bitching because most of the ones you will run into will be closet sluts.

          Figure it out, do your due diligence. Are you gonna follow MGTOW and bang 9s and 10s or follow the red pill and learn how to be a man in the modern day and age. You're almost there.

          TLDR. It's your job as a man to fine a unicorn to settle down with. They won't come to you. You can't game unicorns.

          [–][deleted]  (10 children)


            [–]seedster5 3 points4 points  (8 children)

            Excellent question. It's amount money, it's media and they want women to spend money on make up, dresses, and just being better than someone else. We live in a super capitalistic society. Think about movies tv etc. It's all about buying stuff.

            [–]rigbed 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            That’s right. If men always paid for sex it would actually be good.

            [–]seedster5 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            Another misguided soul.

            "The more you cheat on a woman the less of a chance she’ll cheat on you. Well she’ll cheat if it’s a beta cheat. Then she’ll start being very accepting."

            Lol whut. Like really.

            [–]rigbed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Seen it happen so many times. There’ll be a revenge cheat and then it’ll become not worth it.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            Intersting post. I also wonder. Can I ask you to comment on my post since you seem to actually be capable of reading the details versus posting generic unrelated points!


            [–]seedster5 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Sure let me read it fully

            [–]pridebrah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Don't read nor reply to this dudes post. Guy is insane and will stalk you endlessly.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Thanks, I gave you the link right? I look forward to your reply and thanks!

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            I'd appreciate your thoughts soon man! Thanks

            [–]lord-denning 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No society that plans to survive long term.

            [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I don't want to game or do tricks, I want to BE a Great Man. I just honestly want to find a good woman and be in a healthy loving relationship. Like best friends first, truly caring for eachother having eachother back, having lots of fun positivty romance, something deeper than skin and momentary fleeting lust.

            [–]seedster5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I understand where you're coming from. Im here to tell you they exist and it's not easy.

            First thing you have to do understand that 95% of the women you meet are like this and 90% of them are open about it.

            Let me tell you how I succeeded. 4 years ago I was obsessed with finding a girlfriend after my LTR before I found trp. I kept dating hoes and sluts and having one night stands. I'm not about that life.

            So I changed. Did not date for 2 years but I made it a fact to be friends with women but never escalate. I didn't turn anyone into plates I had a clear understanding of what I wanted. I only dated one women in the two years and although she wasn't your stereotypical girl, she was a psycho none the less. I held my frame, plenty of women told me to hop on tinder and date around. Still said no and held my frame.

            I'll cut to the chase. One of the women if friended paid attention to what I was doing and she was attracted to me. I had no idea. She was a sorority girl who was a virgin but understood she didn't want a fuckboy. I beat out army of chads and douchecocks with money because it's who you are that gives you value. I was broke back then didn't have a good job and still struggling to finish school. She saw my potential before I saw it. I'm not graduated in a prestigious trainee program about to make 6 figures within the next 5 years.

            It's who are you as a person, maintain frame, and always know what you want. Because when you find what you want and you get it, nothing else matters. Sluts will be sluts and they always trying to game me. They know they can't so they respect me.

            In summary. Know what you want and earn respect.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 7 points8 points  (5 children)

            There's too many words here in your post. And that's the tell for your issue, rather than the content ironically. When people write a lot about girls, it means they're very invested. But probably that diagnosis won't make sense to you now. You're convinced that you're in a real crisis. When in reality, you're in a ditch and you're yelling that the world ends with the walls. Try to imagine looking down at yourself from up above.

            If its hard to see the source of your limited view, then I will describe the problem in plain words: You've intensely invested your identity (your worth, your self-image) and made it dependent on whether a woman stays with you or what she really thinks of you ("oh, she must be thinking badly of me under the surface"). The ego is in a state of addiction to her. She solves all your emotional problems and feelings of incompleteness. This manifests as deep feelings of euphoria and intense aliveness when when she's there and validates you. It also means that when or if she moves onto other men, or plays you or rejects you or otherwise humiliates you... it subconsciously reflects on your worth. And that hurts. No, that tears you apart. It breaks you.

            The advice in the top replies is not wrong, but it is also not going to help you. Women do have a nature, yes. One cannot guarrantee that things will not go wrong. Blah blah blah. Its all true. But its also not a problem. It is not a life threatening issue nor is it what is driving a stake through your heart right now. That pain is caused by your ego, and that is your core problem. Your ego is taking a minor issue, which everyone (you included) logically know you can easily move on from... and it is obsessed by it. Mired you in pain from it.

            Honestly, the cure for it is to let go of ego.

            How to let go of ego:

            • Sometimes that letting go can come from heartbreak itself, and the cure is exposure therapy. You let relationships happen and fail so you'll face your fear. When you encounter the pain, realize that it isn't that bad, realize that you can survive it, or that at the very least, realize that in this second, in the PRESENT, you're still alive and kicking and that the past doesn't define you. Eventually, the feeling that you're OK in this second extends to the next second, and then a minute has passed and then an hour. With more breakups, you've trained yourself to readily let go of past and live in the present, and you learn that you can easily survive the pain, which eases your anxiety of it happening again in the future. Eventually, you live in the present, at least around this one issue, for the rest of your life. This approach backfires and fails when the pain seems to be too much and instead of accepting it, you try to run from or control it or deny it or do anything other than accept it and smile at it.

            • Sometimes letting go comes from alcohol, drugs and other distractions (including endless eating, porn, TV, games, whatever). This approach always backfires as escapism becomes addictive. And you have only distracted yourself from pain, not gotten rid of ego.

            • Sometimes letting go comes from encountering your mission in life. Becoming obsessed over building your company or perfecting your art has a great side effect of taking your mind away from your pain. This approach backfires if it becomes a means of escapism from pain.

            • Sometimes letting go can come from nihilism and the realization that nothing matters. Positive nihilism, negative nihilism, etc. Take your pick. The red pill forum is full of these types. This approach does not always backfire as long as the nihilism is positive. However, it also doesn't work. Your brain wasn't evolved to not care. Your brain was evolved to care. It will punish you hard for the things you should care about no matter how many books you read on why it shouldn't. Nihilism is a party trick of the rational mind. It may well be true, but the truth only works because it distracts your mind in the hope it doesn't punish you.

            • Sometimes you delay letting go by getting some new ass to assuage your needy ego again. This is highly enjoyable, highly recommended. But it isn't letting go of ego exactly. Often, your ego just trashtalks the last girl ("your loss, baby!) and attaches to the new one. The disease is still there.

            • Sometimes letting go can come from Inner Game/Enlightenment. Like meditation or reading the insights of wise men who teach you how to let go of ego and with it, judgement, reactivity, and the disease of incessant thinking. You stop being so invested in the outcome and you stop confusing the outcome with Who You Are. Surprisingly, the red pill forum is also full of these types. There is no backfiring to this as far as I know. And it is the cure for fear and suffering far beyond just women.

              (If you're looking for resources on the sixth path, recommend "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, or "The Book of Pook" by Pook or "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover or "The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem" by Nathaniel Branden or "The Way of The Superior Man" by David Deida who also authored "Instant Enlightenment", "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch and many others I don't remember off the top of my head. Follow your interest, listen to the teacher who speaks to you. ).

            I personally took all 6 paths. There may be more, but I only took these. The one that finally freed me was spiritual enlightenment.

            I wish you well on your path. It is my belief that they all eventually force you onto the sixth.

            [–]moltenw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            There's too many words here in your post

            Proceeds to write a long ass comment.

            Just messing with you, mate. Thanks for the comment.

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              [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Listen to me very carefully. By absolute coincidence I mentioned a resource very popular on TRP, but that is designed with your problem in mind.

              Read the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.

              It addresses your pain and your delusions. You must read this book. Be humble to this new way of looking at your problem. You MUST read that book.

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                [–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                When you are done (and not before), I urge you to revisit your comment, and smile at it.

                [–]jshtx2117 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Truthfulness, honesty and loyalty are not feminine qualities.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                What is this statement based on? Surely there are SOME virtuous females?

                [–]2comment 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                Welcome to humanity. If you want loyalty and gratitude, get a dog.

                I suggest having a higher purpose at all times beyond a relationship. It's a lot less likely to come crashing down and disappoint.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Welcome to humanity. If you want loyalty and gratitude, get a dog.

                I suggest having a higher purpose at all times beyond a relationship. It's a lot less likely to come crashing down and disappoint.

                Yes. Okay. So, being enlightened now to female behavior, what are healthy mindsets going into relationships now knowing this nature about women? Not too serious? No marriage, EVER, lol?

                [–]CaptainBW 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                Didn’t even bother to read this word puke. Chicks are sluts. Enjoy them for what they are. The only thing you should feel anger towards is yourself - the blue pill, fantasy land ideals of a «perfect» relationship you hold. Free yourself. She’s not yours, it’s just your turn.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Nailed it dude. Thank you. Empowering words.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Right, but how can anyone have beautiful children in a beautiful home? All this talk of "Sharing" women, that's disgusting, I Don't want some dudes sloppy seconds, best friend or not.

                [–]omega_dawg93 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                the only way to win is to not play the game.

                if you want female companionship and sexual companionship, jump in. if not, just live your life as you choose.

                don't worry, life will pass-by really fucking fast; so don't think about it all too much. just know that women are humans; they walk among us. they are affected by gravity and need oxygen just like men. NONE of them belong on a pedestal.

                but it's MEN who don't see them for who they truly are... or want to MAKE them into something they are not. they will lie (a LOT), they will cheat, take your money, manipulate you (long term & short term) with incredible planning. be ready for it.

                so, learn how to game them... have fun... FUCK THEM RELENTLESSLY when you do fuck them, and don't pay too much attention to what they say. ALWAYS watch what they do and learn their body language and subtle ways of communicating. physically, learn to recognize how she feels when YOU fuck her and pay attention if she feels and/or smells differently (when she's acting differently) AS MOST girls are very poor at hiding their lies & deceit.

                don't take too much of this hardcore advice to heart because some of these guys here talk a LOT of game and some are full of shit. all you need is one good-looking blond with blue eyes, big tits & tanned skin, and half of these guys forget everything they've learned and open their checkbooks (and hearts). they'll scream, "fuck rollo, roisy, and roosh," to just get a sniff of her ass crack. "she's perfect!!!" is what they say...

                she's human. there's more than a few dudes out there that are tired of fucking her, and even more than that who are tired of hearing all of her drama, whining, and complaining.

                i've typed all this because pussy is good. proceed with caution. do as you please... just my opinion.

                [–]look_good 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                don't waste your feelings on people you don't know

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                don't waste your feelings on people you don't know

                Can I hand you a medal? Hahaha. This is golden.

                [–]salinorum 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                At my friend's wedding a couple weeks ago, the bride was staring me down with a thristy look in her eye. I was pretty bummed out to say the least. Your just angry because you're waking up to a truth you've ignored your whole life. It will pass.

                I was angry for three months straight! Then I just realized to let it be as it is, realize women are like children, realize that you life is the most important thing to build, not a relationship. Relationships will come and go, they will be both fun and sad. Just gotta enjoy the ride. At least now you know what women are really like..

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Exactly. I posted this in /Relationships and people are calling me insane. I don't think they want to face the ugly truths, because it possibly removes their blinders. I've seen this scenario again and again, I'm praying it's 5% of the female population, not 95%.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                women are like children,

                THIS. Right. How many stupid magazines did I look at as a boy, how many times did I resolve not to look at porn and did anyway? We all make mistakes, if she runs into a cute / hot guy, she's gonna have issues, right? BUT SO WILL YOU (the cute hot woman,assuming you're straight lol.)

                [–]Lambdal7 5 points6 points  (6 children)

                You need to be much much more selective.

                You pick up a stray dog and expect it to be obedient, clean, stable, drama free and are surprised if it behaves erratic, bites, shits in your house.

                Don't pick up a stray dog. Pick up a dog that has good manners, doesn't attack other dogs on the street, is potty trained, has had his vaccine shots and is trained to follow commands

                There a many, many more stray dogs than well trained dogs and many stray dogs that pose as trained dogs, only 1% of all dogs are actual well trained dogs with a frame, values, some control of their emotions.

                You need to get much better at vetting.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Dude you're so right. Avoid the THOTS amiright?

                [–]allo_pyaaz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                This is wow.

                [–]helloseven -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

                This was pretty dark and hateful. Chill dude.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                His post, or mine?

                If mine, I want to love women more, but, wow, like I get angry because of the betrayal and their hyper promiscuous alpha male goal tendencies. Maybe seeing her like a child who is human and make mistakes and has flaws, just like me and everyone else, is helpful to be more loving and positive about it?

                [–]helloseven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                His. I get where you’re coming from.

                [–]helloseven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Life is short. It’s going to end soon anyway. Don’t dwell.

                [–][deleted]  (2 children)


                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Dude, no, I've been told I'm the most attractive guy in the room, I am very attractive. THIS is why this fucks with me. Women eye-fuck me plenty everywhere I go, MANY married and in relationships women, THIS is why I am like okay fuck that, I don't want to be the guy on the other side of the coin, because I AM an attractive guy and have gotten female attention I didn't want.

                [–]BecomingChad2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                well thats why you never invest into one particular woman. invest in yourself instead

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                well thats why you never invest into one particular woman. invest in yourself instead

                BecomingChad LOL your username is precious.

                [–]ectoplasmic1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Sorry you had a negative experience.

                It seems like you built a powerful story in your head along the lines of "women will always cheat" - and whether by chance, or the natural attraction of our belief systems for self-confirming evidence - you have gathered together a lot of evidence that supports your story.

                You are also using a lot of dramatic wording. Like your brain is panicking and you allow yourself to be very emotional about things.

                Bring in the self-awareness to know that you have seen only one side of reality, not the whole thing. Reality indeed includes the existence of faithful women, you just don't have experience with that aspect of reality yet. Discipline your fearful mind to focus on stories that call your generalizations into question and quit telling yourself how much you know. If you never met a faithful woman, your experience is obviously limited.

                And search for that missing piece - the piece you are not seeing. The 20% of people who treat each other consistently well and keep faith with each other at all times. The 40% of people who mostly do this, with a few slip-ups. Look at how men are also capable of bad behavior - yet in seeing this, you don't consider they are incapable of being faithful. Why?

                Those are some helpful hints to get to a more balanced state of mind on this matter. Good luck.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You are genius.

                RIGHT? I haven't experienced enough light, love, faithfulness, care, loyalty, healthy companionship, so how could I believe it exists if I've never seen enough of it?

                Thanks for trying to help me.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Ok, I'm ignoring this wall of fucking text, but to answer the question:


                The narrative is a lie, but you get to choose what to do with it. You don't get the girl of your dreams to grow old with, you get to fuck hotties for life. Boohoo.

                There are ALWAYS healthier, smarter, younger, faster, sexier, stronger mates out there - that your partner WILL be sexually attracted to, and you as well, so WTF?

                What's the problem?

                Stop being dependent on other people for your happiness. Be happy, accept they're sluts, no problems.

                [–]Black_m0ngoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                The fear of an outcome invariably leads to the fulfilment of that outcome.

                This is why outcome independence is talked about often here.

                Everytime I did something out of fear, to avoid an outcome, I'd be sitting with my dick in my hands not too long after, dealing with the outcome I thought I had done everything in my power to avoid.

                "If I just talk to her and tell her how I feel!"

                "If I just look up her Instagram/Facebook/Snapchat one more time, I'll learn something that will save our relationship."

                The truth is, life is going to happen regardless of your participation.

                Your insecure behavior will sabotage your efforts.

                You have to be brave, and let things work out naturally.

                So you can either stay on the field and learn to play the game, or sit on the side lines and watch everyone else play.

                Think about it, time has passed and it's been years since your first oneitis.

                Remember when you couldn't get her off your mind?

                And fast forward to today, where you struggle to remember what she even looks like, way back when?

                The ugly truth is that woman simply aren't that important in a man's life.

                Building something up, or tearing something down, is all that matters in a man's life.

                You sit around, looking at all the propaganda saying how your life is miserable because you're alone.

                And you buy into it, like a fish on a hook.

                The true MGTOW way is when you retire from the market because your continued success with woman no longer satisfies you, hey it happens to the best of us.

                The current MGTOWs, the "thirdwave" MGTOWs, are simply incels in denial. They were forced off of the market, they didn't retire.

                Because although it's never been easier to get a girl if you're high value, it's basically impossible to get a girl if you're even medium value in the current market, not to even mention low value men.

                So find a place where you're a big fish in a small pond, and scoop up the girls there. Stay out of the way hunting grounds of movie stars and MMA fighters, and you should get pussy EZPZ.

                But if you're looking for a woman to fill that hole in your heart?

                Let me tell you something, your heart has no hole to fill.

                Because you have yourself, and that's all you need to make your dreams come true.

                Also, stop writing up so much nonsense, I couldn't be bothered to read more than the first paragraph and the TLDR. Be concise.

                [–]rigbed 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                The more you cheat on a woman the less of a chance she’ll cheat on you. Well she’ll cheat if it’s a beta cheat. Then she’ll start being very accepting.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Exactly, like more trp stuff. This is my point. If AWALT, (WhoreS) and men are alpha promiscuous mansluts, how can any of us have children? Generaitons of fucked up kids. No stable home. WTF?

                [–]AManIsBusy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Bro, consolidate your points. Ain't nobody got time for that.

                That being said, I like arguing when numbers are used poorly. Do you think the chance of a failed marriage is random, or do you think you can control it? And do you think your knowledge as maybe slightly more enlightened than average might put you in a different category as well?

                I think marriage is definitely the most masculine path, although I know it's not for everyone.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Right, but the odds of her cheating on you at some point down the timeline are so high, so it's like, if I accept AWALT (whores) and men are too (promiscuous alpha males) how can anyone raise beautiful kids and have a nice home? Society would be fucked up for generations.

                [–]AManIsBusy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                I don't accept that everyone is the same or that they always act on base instincts. That's dumb. How would you ever be intimate with anyone if you believed that? Your relationship would mean nothing because you'd be merely playing out instincts.

                I accept that women have certain prototypical behaviors, but that's not literally AWALT.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Thanks brother. You sound pretty smart. I wish the best to you and your family and community and what have you.

                [–]justicecantakeanap 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                It's a strange game, the only winning move is not to play

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                It's a strange game, the only winning move is not to play


                [–]imtheoneimmortal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                that's how things works, you can change them or not.
                don't judge too much

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Because I think about my kids. Generations of pains if mommy and daddy are whores. I want beautiful children, in a nice home somewhere. But accepting AWALT just makes me think, fuck it, why would I ever put a roof over a woman's head if she's just going to cheat at some point because AWALT?

                [–]redHussar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Treat it as a business relation. Make relationship if is beneficial for you, limit risk, protect your asset. Dont attach your self-worth to it like in business. You have to take risk and own it. Life is all about it. Welcome to RedPill

                [–]gains_o_clock 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                alright guys I still consider myself a noob but has this guy taken the pill and gotten stuck in the anger phase? He hasn't learned to accept the fact that that's how things are and that he's gonna have to deal with it to be happy. Veterans confirm/correct my statement if it's off

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Because I think about my kids. Generations of pains if mommy and daddy are whores. I want beautiful children, in a nice home somewhere. But accepting AWALT just makes me think, fuck it, why would I ever put a roof over a woman's head if she's just going to cheat at some point because AWALT?

                [–]BusterVadge 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Instead of being angry why not just spin plates and not do LTR? LTR is not for everyone.

                [–]A1d4n_18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Because I think about my kids. I want beautiful children, in a nice home somewhere. But accepting AWALT just makes me think, fuck it, why would I ever put a roof over a woman's head if she's just going to cheat at some point because AWALT?

                [–]Kommanderdude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Not reading all that shit. Stop being a fucking pussy. Dip shits like you always end up on an incel forums. Women aren’t the devil they are wonderful creations that have the perfect receptacle for me to place my cock in. This anger you have isn’t a woman’s fault it’s caused by your own stupidity because you lived life in a fairytale world. It’s your fault you chose to live in your own made up fairytale world instead of reality. Don’t hate women because you chose not to understand the truth or relationship dynamics. Stop hating women and start hating yourself for being the dip shit you were and maybe just maybe you’ll have a shot at being a high value successful male and not a fat basement dwelling incel.

                [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I don't get how your response is anger. Let it go, start to laugh at it...

                And if you can't beat em, join em. Whatever nonsense Jesus, Dad, or Peterson put into your head, let it go.

                Law of power had a point here, isolation isn't the cure to this.

                [–]jeromeantoinecarter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Acceptance of AWALT is a beautiful thing.

                [–]bobaisdope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The answer is Buddhism, learn to let things go, enjoy your turn. Seriously, if now I get cheated on by a girlfriend (notice when I say "a girlfriend", someone who I invest my emotional energy and time and resources and etc.), I just simply find another one or I wouldn't give fuck at all. And that's it.

                [–]BrutalMan420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                what is this vomit

                [–]pridebrah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Just date chicks and have fun banging them and doing fun shit knowing that it probably won't last (pessimism aside, statistically it just probably won't last anyway). Why do you need a 'til death do us part' ending anyway? That's the thing to come to terms with.

                Enjoy the variety and what each person has to offer. Give marriage a shot at 40 if its interesting to you, and even then don't put these retarded expectations on your little angel to be perfect. Stop living in the fantasy and realize you're fine no matter what happens.

                [–]ValorElite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Honestly, you sound like you need some growing up to do. Hang around toxic people and you get toxic experiences.