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For those who have around TRP a decade or more, how did the recession in 2008 effect female mindsets? (self.asktrp)

submitted by 1alpha-zach

Did they tend more toward providers? Did they get more LTR/marriage focused vs today? Did more branch swinging occur?


[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 49 points50 points  (7 children)

I think the larger causative effect was the switch from flip phones to smart phones and the subsequent introduction of online dating. Instagram and Facebook inflated women's precieved value and narcasism.

[–]no_condoments 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yes, this. Smartphones really changed the world in a number of ways both good and bad, especially social interaction. People are connected to each other more, but also always on their phone and disconnected from the real world. Good or bad, the smartphone is easily the biggest social and economic change in our lifetimes.

2008 was the most important year of the millennium so far. It had the release of the iPhone 3G (smartphones suck without 3g or higher) and the release of the first Android phone. It almost sounds strange to say, but I think those two events definitely impact my daily life far more than the 2008 recession or the election of Obama.

[–]RedSkeller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reminds me of rolling around campus with my first smartphone - the Blackberry Pearl. Thing was amazing for me at the time, even though by most standards today it's garbage - it had a special place in my heart. Getting a phone number was more than half the battle, going to the bars pulling ass with some bullshit 1 am text. I graduated shortly after and went from a man with options and tons of social proof to another kid with a college degree. I tried the same routine of going out every weekend to realize I wasn't in college any more, but those times really sucked I felt but it also could've been because I was young and had nothing built up.

[–]Ditario 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I believe, more specifically, not the introduction of online dating but the normalization of it. Online dating has been around since the MySpace era but was something you never mentioned; maybe even made up a fake "how we met story".

[–]mrrooftops 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They went from playing Snake to playing 'snake'.

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    [–]Ninety-Nine-Ninety-N[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The boob-tube was nothing compared to this. However communities like this weren't remotely a thing 20 years ago. Not sure what the final result will be.

    [–]redpilledcuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    From watching Sex and the City, hypergamy seemed to be in action since at least the 90s. Actually, from reading Feynman's memoirs, the 40s or 50s in America (he mentions having casual sex with a few women), if not for all time.

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    [–]SuperCrazy07 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Given that it was mostly a "man-cession," oddly.

    Yeah. My wife worked at a law firm in 2008. They let three people in her specialty go (think litigation, real estate, contracts...). All three were straight, white men.

    She knew she was safe - she was the only female in her group. In fact, she'd be put on WalMart projects (even when she didn't actually work on them) because they required at least one female lawyer on everything.

    [–]bcdude2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Construction related jobs recovered pretty quick in California. After a year or so, forclosed homes hit the market creating a giant need for construction workers. Also smart phones started the coding revolution which is mostly a male dominated field. The main thing that hit was that this caused the techies types to gain both monetary and social power and status. I would say overall, men find it easier to couple up now and the more old school masculinity types lost out.

    [–]holbrook2 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

    Source?

    [–]HyperSpaceKush 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It's just basic business. When the economy is shit you cut your 100 man production staff to meet reduced demand. You don't cut your three woman hr team, you need them to prevent lawsuits. Likewise, nurses aren't hit because people are still getting hurt and sick. Teachers aren't hit hard because they're paid through taxes by the government.

    [–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I do remember that happening. It was called the "Man-cession".

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    http://www.macrotrends.net/2511/unemployment-rate-men-women

    By an awesome coincidence, I was actually looking at some macro-economic charts three days ago and came across that one without knowing about that strong gender disparity on the latest recession. I was not aware of it.

    If you look closely, you'll see that men's unemployment shoot up more than women's at every recession. But the effect in 2008 was much stronger than ever before.

    [–]holbrook2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thank you!

    Interesting the disparity increases noticably after the 1960's

    [–]abdada 45 points46 points  (1 child)

    This is a really great question and this is the kind of stuff I love seeing here.

    I can't say much about 2008 because I was so transitionary that year that I really missed out on the SMP moreso than other years. Recessions are a great time to acquire more assets, so I was busy doing that, lol.

    [–]1DonaldBaelish 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Happy cakeday, yo.

    [–]perplexedm 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    It brought in more radical feminutism. When life goes shits, shitiest wins the race.

    [–]1alpha-zach[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That makes a lot of sense. More demands on men to be better and stop fucking up the lives of women with the recession that “obviously” men created.

    [–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Actual Joke from 2008: "The recession is so bad that women in NYC and LA are marrying for LOVE."

    It was a good time to be a more manly dude. Every time the world goes to shit, girls start looking around for someone who can protect them, and it ain't gonna be some hipster faggot.

    [–]bcdude2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Too bad it started hipster fad just afterwards and all the geeks became cool and started getting the chicks huh lol

    [–]cbogart2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Nothing happens unless it happens on real housewives. When the real housewives started getting divorced because their husbands went bankrupt during or shortly after the recession suddenly I didn't look like such a dud.

    [–]Ricardo2991 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I wasn't around TRP in this form a decade ago, but I have been an active dater for the last 14 years, and being in the military, I was around a lot of chads and alphas. Hypergamy is stronger than ever, mainly because the access is at your finger tips with Instagram, Snapchat, and Facebook. We can see what everyone else has, and people who don't have strong morals and values will get caught up in the Joneses.

    What's this mean for dating? It's more difficult than before to find woman who appear to be quality. A quick look at a girls IG will give you an idea of how hard she will be to date. Before, all you had was what someone presented you, and their top 8 on Myspace. I've been lucky that IN PERSON, I'm a top 10% guy based on looks and personality. In online/text, I'm average at best. So while online is merely a game to me, in person, I'm doing better than ever at meeting and gaming girls. It's easier than it was 10 years ago. So many guys don't have any social skills or personality that even a little bit of confidence and word play makes the girls go wild.

    [–]Zanford 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I felt like I saw some of that, yeah. Chicks having trouble getting a job: the job market for just-graduating college students was TERRIBLE in that recession, including for a lot of over-credentialed chick with useless majors. I felt like there was an uptick in interest in angling for cohabitation (aka chicks feeling out if I'd let them live with me in exchange for being live-in maid/cook/sex-kitten etc.) And-or adult chicks moving back in with parents.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This was before having a Facebook / Instagram following was a thing, before having 100s of matches on Tinder was a thing, etc. Overall I think women didn’t have as much excessive validation as they do now.

    [–]epushepepu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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