what is wrong with women sleeping around during their 20's. (self.asktrp)

submitted by trpbabee

I got into a discussion with someone about why women are getting married later in life and this topic came up. is their anything inherently wrong about it when men essentially do the same thing?

Edit : adding some extra criteria. Is it bad for society if women sleep around during their 20's

[–]Thizzlebot 305 points306 points  (21 children)

Nothing is "wrong with it" but don't expect someone to pay full price for a car with 200k miles on it.

[–]RPTA3498 52 points53 points  (0 children)


[–]brinkleybuzz 17 points18 points  (0 children)

... don't expect someone to pay full price for a car with 200k miles on it.

That everyone else before you got to ride for free.

[–]throwitdown9201 16 points17 points  (17 children)

The problem is, how will you ever know?

[–]quicklogaccount 85 points86 points  (8 children)

The car will make strange noises and require constant maintenance. It'll suck.
The chick will whine a lot and demand a lot of attention. And she won't suck.

You only have to worry about it if she tells you she fucked X guys and that makes you feel bad. Other than that just don't worry about it and consider whether she's a decent partner or not. CC ridden chicks won't be good partners.

[–]brinkleybuzz 16 points17 points  (4 children)

CC ridden chicks won't be good partners.

Gotta be careful with this because CC riders can give academy award winning performances to lock down a provider.

Until Hoefax becomes reality, best thing to do is assume every woman is a rider unless proven otherwise.

Best way to figure this out? Thru friends and maybe family. Give yourself plenty of time to meet current and old friends. Go to reunions with her. Meet girls and guys she's known for a while. You'll get a sense of her past from this. If she hides her past, assume it's sketchy.

Also, never appear to be judgemental about her past. If she thinks you're open minded she'll let some things slip out.

[–]PM_Your_8008s 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Also, never appear to be judgemental about her past. If she thinks you're open minded she'll let some things slip out.

100% this, girl told me about how she fucked like 3 different guys one night cause I was just goin with it. This was within 2 days of meeting her.

[–]quicklogaccount 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Man, for starters you have ALL the right to dismiss a chick because she has freckles, because she smells funny, or because she fucked one too many guys. If you want to account for how many guys a chick fucked for whatever particular reason you might have, just do it and don't bother a lot.


Gotta be careful with this because CC riders can give academy award winning performances to lock down a provider.

You're not getting the point there.

She won't be a decent partner. Even is she puts on an act, it won't last long. She has too much abundance and too much confidence in achieving her goals to bother compromising some of them.
The only thing you need is keep your ability to leave a relationship that doesn't fulfill your expectations. And by the way, sexually prudish women can be shitty partners too. You need to keep your ability to leave at any time.

Now, some folks have "not having fucked a lot of guys" in high account. They have it in such high account they're willing to put up with some bad behaviors, such as too much whining, and bad traits, such as low sex drive, to keep a relationship with such women.
When it comes to these guys, this mindset makes men vulnerable to women lying about their past and managing to keep them in shitty relationships, so they're better off changing it. Usually fucking around solves it (meaning, end their willingness to put up with a subpar chick because she's supposedly not a rider).
Now, if they're firm in sticking to their mindset, it's as people said here. Be non judgemental about her past and she will brag about it. Remember, chicks have the natural understanding that being able to and acting on seducing and charming more people is good and makes valuable people, but are taught otherwise, either with the argument that men don't like it or that men don't like it because it makes them insecure. Give her the opportunity and she WILL brag about it to make herself seem more valuable though.

[–]Narcissist456 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Exactly. Plus I've read that women with a high body count have difficulty pair bonding.

[–]quicklogaccount 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure to what extent that goes.

Women with high counts have a knack for being delusional about their worth and expecting to commit men as high value as they can fuck, so they're somewhat cursed with being unfulfilled.
But apart from that people in abundance mindsets just don't bond easily. I'm experiencing that myself.

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You mean...they get cynical, and more experienced at lying.

This isn't some kind of leading-edge neuroscience handwavium.

The cynicism is real.

EDIT. as women age they get better at lying, as men age we get better at not giving a fuck.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Four Words: The Thousand Cock Stare.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How does this not have more upvotes...

[–]Hamster_S_Thompson 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It usually involves a lot of partying, drinking and often drugs. That lifestyle tends to leave a mark.

[–]NewThrowaway115 16 points17 points  (2 children)

you don't buy a car, you go rent one. Problem solved.

[–]sternje 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lease for 3 years. Upgreydd to the latest model. Rinse. Repeat.

[–]thefisherman1961 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Plenty of red flags. Pay attention and you'll notice them.

[–]Joey_Lopez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're damaged and entitled. That's how you'll know.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]loddfavne 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Number of sexual partners as young decides chance of having stable relationships later in life. I think this one is backed by science as well.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children)


[–]fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- 107 points108 points  (8 children)

Nothing. I have zero problems with women sleeping around. Now, let’s be clear about it. Once they’ve hit “some number” in my head, I don’t want them for a girlfriend, but nothing.

Here’s the other problem. Some girl fucks 100 dudes. With every one of them, she’s swallowed cum, taken it in the ass, has done gangbangs, etc.

Then she gets with you. She “doesn’t do anal.” “Blowjobs are disgusting.” In other words, you don’t even get to have her at her sexual best. You get the facade, either because she doesn’t want to “seem like a whore to you” or she doesn’t like you enough to give a crap. Either way, I don’t want the girl who sucked off 100 guys before me, but now thinks (read: pretends) oral is disgusting.

So, it’s a far more complex thing than just “sleeping around,” at least for me.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 45 points46 points  (2 children)

Then she gets with you. She “doesn’t do anal.” “Blowjobs are disgusting.” In other words, you don’t even get to have her at her sexual best.

Saving the Best

Hat Tip: Rollo

[–]Wissenschaft85 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In short, Saving the best translates into a HUGE red flag that she is not sexually attracted to you and is only using you for beta support.

[–]fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. That’s the article I remember.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)


[–]TheSilentOne13 1 point2 points  (1 child)

are you dating my ex? That fits that cunt to a T

[–]fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Luckily, I never ran into this behavior directly. I’ve had friends who girls wouldn’t blow them, but blew guys before them and even blew guys they were cheating on them with. Sucks, but it’s better to be aware of that shit than to stick your head in the sand.

[–]LiveAFTSOV -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the important question your little post brings up is what if the girl has done 99 gang bangs where she was the center piece of a bukkake and does anal, but gets with you, and you're the 100.

She still does gang bangs for you, still does anal and oral, but she just happens to want you to be her LTR.

That's the true question

[–]DeathToTheZog -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Because Chad pumped her throat.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 41 points42 points  (3 children)

While men and women are "equal" they are not "identical".

While women are free to bang, or not bang, whomever they please, the problem for them is that actions have consequences.

What consequence? Well, once a young woman gets out into the World of Men, what MEN want matters also. And men want young women. That's fine when a girl is in her 20s, but her 20s are also when she is at peak beauty and peak fertility and it is her best opportunity to lock down the best possible man for her, going forward.

But what if she want's to whore it up in her 20s? Well, again, actions have consequence. If she wants to spend her 20s entertaining a parade of Outlaw Bikers, Drug Dealers and Escaped Mental Patients between her thighs, that's her choice. But what about when she hits the Epiphany Phase and wants a husband?

At that moment she will discover that: Men age like wine. Women age like milk.

What high quality man wants to wife up some emotionally broken tatted up bar slut who with no ability to pair-bond and who is now a born again prude? And he's not even getting her most desirable years. High quality men have options. Say what you want about me, but, at 50, I'm tapping a harem of girls between 19-25 on the regular. I would never, ever consider a 30+ year old woman with a checkered sexual history. Why should I? Because once you hit your 30s, the script flips. Pussy is just a commodity.

Men: Never forget: You are the Prize.

Women: Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Even if the 30+ woman is an hb8, give her three hours of witty nags and she'll show her true colors. Women with high N counts are only ever faking feminine traits long enough to determine if you're either a useful beta or a bangable alpha.

One of my favorite shit tests is to feed her a few glasses of wine then reject her sexual advances. 9 times out of 10 she will lose her shit. How hard she flies off the handle is a direct correlation to her N count and post wall ascend/descend.

[–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of my favorite shit tests is to feed her a few glasses of wine then reject her sexual advances. 9 times out of 10 she will lose her shit. How hard she flies off the handle is a direct correlation to her N count and post wall ascend/descend.

God damn this is so true. I've had a lot of drunken nights where a middle aged women put on such a femine show that I was deeply impressed. But the minute the night goes on and I even subtly shift attention away from her she BLOWS UP. She then tries to find everything wrong with me and throw it all at once. You can't dance! I hate your cologne! When she was literally just complementing those things. So telling.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heh, heh...me too. Thumbs up brother.

[–]NewThrowaway115 38 points39 points  (1 child)

There is nothing wrong with women sleeping around in their 20s just like there is nothing wrong with pumping and dumping or going MGTOW. Do whatever the fuck you wanna do.

[–]AlphaGrad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everything has gotta go down eventually, why not enjoy the ride?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (18 children)

The red pill is amoral.

There's nothing morally wrong with girls riding the CC & settling down with beta bux when they feel the wall approaching. It's just the circumstances.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's just the circumstances.

What is this supposed to mean?

[–]batraz -2 points-1 points  (16 children)

It's not morality. The question was what does riding the CC do to the society. It clearly hurts it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (15 children)

The question was actually what is wrong with CC in 20's.

There's nothing morally wrong with it because it's just human nature.

[–]batraz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it depends on your moral but we're not moralizing here.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Social consequences don't count towards morality?

Riding the cock carousel throughout your 20s is human nature? Monogomy and pair-bonding closer to the time of maximum fertility is less natural?

[–]batraz 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Probably picking the best available male, pair-bonding to him and bearing a pack of children to him is the most natural. Using contraception and thus skipping the pregnancy, children and long term bonding and eventually fucking around is an artificial development.

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I would agree. Fucking countless randos while actively preventing pregnancy throughout your most fertile years is likely not a product of human evolution.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Morality isn't universal.

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (7 children)

That's a meaningless cop-out that you could claim in virtually every ethics discussion. Not particularly relevant.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I see. So arguments to your moral code are meaningful, but identifying your moral code is arbitrary and not applicable to everyone is a "cop out". Well, I stand corrected. Please, continue and regal us with what is moral, and we'll silently ignore that it's opinion and accept it as some universal truth.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (5 children)

No. You're just avoiding talking about the content of morality so you don't have to defend a specific position.

I can easily get out of ever talking about morality if I just say morality is relative in every discussion. If you want to go that route, fine, but there's nothing more we have to talk about. I'm not sure how we'd even continue the conversation.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Please explain this "content of morality". Also, can you explain how morality fits in with the red pill? I was under the impression the red pill was about opening your eyes to the reality of the world. But apparently it's subscribing to your personal moral code.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Please explain this "content of morality".

How many times do I have to rephrase the same point?

When I take a specific moral position on a behavior and you counter by saying "morality isn't universal," you are refusing to engage with the actual content of my argument. You are making a meta-argument about the nature of reality itself rather than with my specific argument. This is de-railing and not particularly relevant to my original point.

The irony here is that you seem to be rejecting the "authority" of one random commenter's (my) moral opinions, while lecturing me about the "official" moral position of this sub.

I don't really give a shit what is or isn't Red PillTM approved thought. I have views on various human behaviors and ideas and I enjoy sharing them on any sub.

If you have any disagreements with my original points (i.e. social consequences are moral issues, promiscuity and delayed monogamy are less "natural" than childbirth around peak fertility), then I am happy to hear your point of view.

Beyond that, I'm not interested.

[–]batraz -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The edited question was is it wrong for the society. It is.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It comes down to biology. First, women are predisposed to bearing and raising children. To do this successfully, they must naturally have higher levels of empathy, compassion and nurture than men. Inversely, men must go out into nature, employ logic and rationality in order to kill animals and other men (in our past, at least). To whichever degree they succeed at that, they will have less empathy and compassion.

So, why can men sleep around? Because men are better at forgoing an emotional connection in favor of logic. We can fuck without falling in love.

Why can't women sleep around? Because they're more emotionally in tuned. They're not as effective at employing logic and as a result, are more susceptible to forming an emotional connection.

Why is this bad? Because every time a person, man, woman or child forms an emotional connection and then loses the object of their attachment, they're scarred. It damages them. We all know how this feels.

Whether women realize it or not, every time they get their heart broken, however deep or shallow the emotional connection, it damages them. It makes it harder for them to form strong emotional bond in the future, with men or children.

This is why women with high N counts are terrible potential mates. They are so scarred from repeatedly forming emotional connections with men they assumed would stick around, but didn't, that they now lack the ability to form true, healthy connections.

Of course, the emotion v logic and male/female amounts of each are generalizations. Some men are more emotional then the average woman and some women are more logical than the average man, but they're the acception, not the rule.

[–]MuhTriggersGuise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they must naturally have higher levels of empathy, compassion


[–]jb_trp 17 points18 points  (5 children)

There's nothing wrong morally, but depending on what their ultimate goals are, it can be very unwise. Women are valued for their youth and beauty (because these are indications of fertility and health), which diminish over time. Typically, a woman has less options at 30s than they do in their 20s. The idea that they can fuck around for a whole decade, still retain value, and find a high value male who wants to commit and build a family is a sucker's bet for women the older they get.

Plus, why would a self-respecting man want to commit to an older woman who spent 10 years rejecting every guy she met up until then, or couldn't make a successful relationship? Or one who got a divorced? Or who had a kid or two? Each of these decisions lead women to a certain place, and if their goal is to have a family, it takes away from those goals.

The lowest value women are the ones who have had a couple children, divorced their husbands (2/3rd of all divorces are initiated by women), and then don't realize that the sort of men who showed interest in them a decade ago want nothing to do with them. Those men still are able to date much younger women, who don't have all the baggage these older women bring into a relationship. So almost all their options are to get pumped-and-dumped, or thirsty beta losers.

I've met and seen a lot of women in their 30s on Tinder. The stories they tell me are pathetic. And these women can't go back, be young again, have the value they possessed before... Their options are to settle or be alone, or hook up with men just looking to get off until the next best option comes around. It's a sucker's bet for women to get divorced and try to start over.

[–]RedSkeller 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Bunch of near 30s or over 30s who are divorced and are clearly looking for a trade up. I feel bad for them, they are competing against some serious competition - actual attractive young females. They cling to their careers and short sighted decision and try to justify it - no matter how glaring. They got divorced hoping to trade up, but they probably should’ve just stuck it out - I’m sure it wasn’t that bad if it lasted close to a decade.

[–]BestSC86 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You are overlooking that lots of the husbands fucking sucked...which is typical of much of TRP followers which assumes that men are blame-less in nearly every encounter and it is only vicious females.

But many times, the husband have become fat slobs who basically got so lazy that they don't want to socialize, travel, or anything outside of their small world of hunting, fishing, video games, smoking.

You can see it often in the comments here where some smuck starts bitching about why their girl drop them and didn't want to cook, clean, and watch them play video games every weekend any longer and the "bitch" left them for the dude spending all his time at the beach, hiking or exploring other places. And of course, all the TRPer instantly latch on to the branch swinging whore...like this person was supposed to live the rest of their life...taking care of the lazy SOB and do nothing interesting again.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One of my favorite RP stories is basically the opposite. Guy was sick of all the shit, started lifting, dressing better, bought a car without asking permission just to start turning wrenches....other women started to notice him, and his wife started to behave much better.

[–]RedSkeller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate it, I didn’t think of that perspective. I am spending too much time here.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A-Fucking Men. There’s a crazy level of confirmation bias and knee jerk instinct to say the woman sucks in all situations.

For every harpy bitch I’ve seen in a relationship, I’ve seen just as many dad bod having couch potato guys that do jack shit but watch porn and play fantasy football.

I’m guessing some of those guys end up on this sub pissed off about how the woman “branch swung”.

I’d fucking branch swing too.

[–]Original_Dankster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"...Although women and men are developing similar patterns of sexual behavior and substance use, particularly in this cohort, the effects were stronger for women..."


[–]JackGetsIt 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Due to brain chemistry, hormones and the fact that women can become pregnant when they have sex women experience sexual interaction differently then men. When a man has sex he is capable of not becoming emotionally attached. High partner count in men does not correlate to higher rates of infidelity in marriage.

When women have sex and orgasm they release a bonding chemical called oxytocin. This chemical connects a female partner to her sexual partner.

There are two things that make women good wives: father figures that instill morals and high oxyctocin levels linked to their partner.

Women that develop higher partner counts before marriage have lower oxytocin levels. Each male she partners with and does not bear children with lowers her oxytocin output and effects. Therefore sluts and whores have a higher likelihood to cheat and break the marriage up because they have less chemical and thus emotional bonds to their husband and children.

So there's nothing wrong with women having a high partner count but there's everything wrong with a man who marries one of these women. He's taking a higher risk his marriage will be torn apart. Doubly so if she had no strong father figure.

[–]BornToExpand 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Holy shit TIL

[–]mancozbi 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Who says that oxytocin goes down each time a woman has a partner?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I don't know if it does hormonal, but the psychological effects of repeated sexual partners for women destroys their ability to bond strongly to any one man. This is obvious.

[–]mancozbi -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Not convinced. Especially if the strangest argument is "it's obvious". A woman can ride the CC and then hit the wall when she gets to that age, fall in love and settle down quietly. Happens all the time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes on the surface it happens all the time. But it's only because her smv declined to the point where that was her only option. Ultimately, she is bitter that she had to settle on Billy beta as a last resort.

[–]mancozbi -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

And it could be that her love at 30+ is an amazing alpha man. Alphas marry too, usually to popular pretty women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Extremely rare exception to the rule. Read the sidebar.

[–]JackGetsIt -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Female hormones and psychology are much more closely related then mens. It's why they become different people once a month and after having children.

[–]sssimasnek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would very much disagree, our psychology is very much tied to testosterone

[–]BestSC86 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Have met both and there is a difference in in behavior between girls who jumped from one dick to another dick.

Many TRpers are certain that ALL women have fucked over 100 dudes by the time they are 30 but that simply highlights that they don't understand how the vast majority of women view sex...they transfer their obsession with being the dude in their group who has fucked 500 women onto thinking that women want to fuck every guy that looks at them in the grocery store...they don't.

While women do enjoy sex as much a guys, most women would rather fuck the same high value guy 1000 times rather than fuck the 1000 different guys.

Where the high N-count problem arises is that the girl has something about her where she was of such low SMV that she had to resort to jumping from dick after dick to get sex rather than tie one high value dick down. Over time this becomes her mode of sexual strategy which means that she doesn't even attempt to form any sort of emotional bond with the dicks she is riding. So in addition to already having some low SMV quirk which lead to this situation, you add the lack of the ability to bond with partners and it drives their SMV even lower and DESTROYS their viability as a LTR partner.

And there is a cheat to spotting a problem chick....which drives many of the TRPer posters a little haywire because of whom they are often dealing and often are lookingattracted.......and THAT CHEAT is that if the girl is more invested in or talks about dicksexfucking more than in commitment elationship he "one" then you have found yourself a high n-count slut.....and you should tread very fucking carefully.

[–]McVaghunter 10 points11 points  (1 child)

They almost have no choice; when they're young every one is hitting on them, when older everyone is avoiding them.
it's not that they have a lot of sex during their 20's, it's more like they get fucked a lot in their 20's.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They almost have no choice;

Yes they do, they can have romantical relationships, without being whores.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Sexual strategy is amoral. Nothing wrong with Women sleeping around in their 20's. People are free to do as they please. The same applies to Men who sleep around.

"Is it bad for society if women sleep around during their 20's". Actions have consequences. Whether these consequences are good or bad is under the control of the person taking action.

Only a fool will marry a women with a high number of partners. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, now if that gate lets nearly everyone through, it's pretty much pointless to have a gate in the first place.

[–]The__Tren__Train 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only a fool will marry


[–]FlyingSexistPig 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Women who have more than 1 sexual partner before marriage are much more likely to get divorced. The same is not true of men.

Children do a lot better when they have two parents. Single moms do a relatively crappy job of raising children (compared to intact households). So yes. It's bad for society.

[–]Kommanderdude 8 points9 points  (2 children)


Unless you’re an incel. In that case it’s destroying society and all women are whores.... whores! I tell ya.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You don't have to be a bitter incel to see that a lack of sexual boundaries for women destroys them as potential wives/successful bearers of children.

[–]Kommanderdude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who fucking cares. And I know plenty of women that were raised in church and married off to a beta cuck that they left once they met a few chads since they didn’t have their parents religious house rules to keep them away. Women will women.

[–]Fontess 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is nothing "wrong" with girls sleeping around. The problem is not in the sex itself. Its type of person they are. Sleeping around is not a cause and why they are bad relationship prospect. its a symptom. Symptom of a egoistic bitch with no self esteem who failed to develop as human being. Yea thought of your ltr being banged by who knows how many dudes is not really appealing but its not the real reason why these woman are not good for you. I have never met normal slut who can actually improve your life more than fucking her on your rotation. They always have something pathetic about themselves some stupid story and reason why they are actually so fucked up in life.

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its not like they find good marriage prospects easily either

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it bad for society if women sleep around during their 20's

I don't know what "society" is. I only see a bunch of people.

[–]omega_dawg93 1 point2 points  (4 children)

  1. they're gonna lie about their real cock count number regardless. part of it is done consciously to gauge your response... most of it is done to 'block' it out in their memory. remember, "it doesn't count" is real to them sexually. iow, if they don't talk about it or recall it in their memory, it didn't happen (for real).

  2. nothing is wrong with using the vagina muscle. but remember this... the vagina is self-cleaning. since it's NOT healthy for women to douche, they'll leave it to their vagina to fully cleanse all that DNA left behind. who's gonna state the cleaning efficiency for scientific purposes? my point: you're sleeping with EVERYONE she's ever had in there.

  3. women are valued for their feminity and sexuality. genetically (for evolution) they're valued for maintaining the QUALITY of genetic variation... that's why they screen so hard for psychological strength after a base physical requirement is met. just FYI, men are responsible for genetic variation, ie., spread the seed around. those two points illustrate why women should NOT sleep around and men should NOT develop one-itis.

  4. they have EVERY right to sleep around, but you have EVERY right to not accept their choice to do so. hopping around from cock to cock might be fun, but most times, they don't learn to establish or value the soft skills to maintain a relationship; they're short-sighted on the HARD skills (cock draining).

  5. don't ever judge a woman based on her choices. ever. let her be EXACTLY who she is... shows you who she is. do NOT fall for who you think she is or who you want her to be or become. iow, let a slut be a slut. DO NOT SAVE THEM OR TRY TO MAKE THEM A HOUSEWIFE. accept her as a slut, but more importantly, never treat her as one: wear a dickbag & have fun. puff-puff-pass her on to the next guy.

  6. females like to fuck as much or more then men... they love it too. thinking of them as little special snowflakes that would never fuck chad, tyrone, etc. is foolish. given the opportunity, they will, and you'll never know about it.

  7. what you want from a woman is her respect. it will give birth to love if she's interested in you, and you can move forward with her. if you're valuing her sex, trust me, if she's thrown it around, you are the ONLY one in the relationship that values it... she doesn't, and she'll give it up when you're not looking.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

[Women] have EVERY right to sleep around, but you have EVERY right to not accept their choice to do so.

That's the kicker - men rejecting promiscuous/high N-Count women.

A that point...men are "shallow" or "insecure." I hear it all the time. It's as if women are following the same hive-mind principles.

It's almost entertaining to watch the rationalization hamster as they work themselves into frustration with their attempts at explanation.

It's almost as if a man was trying to legitimately justify infidelity. Imagine the feminine backlash on that effort.

[–]omega_dawg93 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've faced this discussion and here's my question to them: how do you feel about a man that freely throws around his time, attention, & resources (TAR) and asks for nothing in return?

they typically laugh and call him a fool.

then the analogy slowly creeps into their logic and turns the smile upside down.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...a man that freely throws around his time, attention, & resources...

That's an excellent perspective - cleverly framed in a manner that reflects the absurdity of their rationalizations and forces women to realize their hypocrisy.

The reference to resources is another easily understood concept - almost ALL WOMEN understand an allusion to money/finances. That’s something I can use in future discussions (credit to you of course).

I know there a few women who can outsmart men in low to mid-level debate on relationships, dating, and marriage, but not many. Collectively, women have difficulty seeing past their own selfishness and base desires to provide rational explanations for degenerate behavior. At the very least many men will admit their failings, self-reflect, and self-correct. It’s because as early as boyhood to young men, males are collectively forced to accept responsibly and accountability for actions. If we fail to learn life-lessons that steer men away from trouble and stupid decisions, society will teach those life-lessons in the worst way.

I have a saying that I regularly posit to young men/men in general:

Failure to control your dick (biological imperative) will cause you many problems in life.

My adjusted message to women as well:

Failure to control sexual access to your vagina will cause you many problems in life.

I also like to use this example to further explain the point:

I give you this scenario: All qualities being equal (attractiveness, intelligence, responsibility, compatibility, femininity, personality, etc.) Who will LIKELY make a better wife/best fit for a serious relationship leading to marriage?

A. Woman w/50 to 80 sexual partners

B. Woman w/two kids and divorced

C. Woman w/two kids and never married

D. Woman w/one to two sexual partners based in a relationship/virgin

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3.....BAM, right on the nail head. Nice breakdown.

[–]DeepRedTomato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with that. Without whores I can't get laid but I am sure not buying a used car with lots of miles for a premium price tag, I'll tell you that much.

[–]APSTNDPhy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women get approached hundreds of times a year. A low n shows their ability to shut down temptation. That is a good quality in a partner. It is a double standard as a man can go about his business all his life without ever getting chatted up.

[–]mildlush 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cause women offer men youth and sex the smv decreases over time mens rise Its not "wrong" what is "wrong" with an animal subcoming to its urges Its just unwise for an alpha to want that for an ltr

[–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing is wrong with it. I don't think most people have an issue with it. I know I don't care.

It does become an issue when you are planning on marrying a chick (hopefully you're not). Its not so much the high body count. I mean sure that factors into it, but you have to look at why did this chick sleep around so much.

Was all these her boyfriends? If so, it shows that her relationships don't last long. You think your marriage will?

Was all these just ONS? If so, that means she's more into that type of lifestyle then settling down. You think a chick that goes from guy to guy in her prime years is going to be satisfied with only one guy for the rest of their life or even for a few years?

Was she the town bicycle? Congrats. When you're out in public or posting pics of you two together all smiley and beinh happy on facebook and IG, lots of guys are going to be chuckling to themselves how you put a ring on a chick who was once everyone else's. I admit, this is pretty funny when I see these dudes marrying chicks I knew from college that literally went through the whole starting lineup on the football team.

is their anything inherently wrong about it when men essentially do the same thing?

I didn't know men and women were the same thing. Maybe I missed a biology class or something but last I checked men and women are different.

adding some extra criteria. Is it bad for society if women sleep around during their 20's


[–]batraz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See the graph here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4085758/Experts-reveal-sexual-partners-ve-determine-likely-DIVORCE.html

Women with at 1-9 premarital sexual partner have at least 4-6x chance (20-30%) of divorce than virgin brides. Women with 10+ cocks history have 7.5x i.e. 37% chance.

In short, whores make terrible wifes, women fucking around create more broken marriages, thus more broken kids and more broken society.

[–]7Fig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A woman sleeping around isn't bad for society it is bad for her. Her commodity is sex, by giving it out often or freely she will be perceived as a low quality mate.

The wall is real; women continue to lose value as a potential mate at an increasing rate until the age of thirty. Thirty isn't some magic number, however around that age they find themselves competing with a whole new crop of young women. These young women have less sexual partners and come with a higher SMV. Younger women are more willing to date an older man, because of his increase SMV. With age men (usually) see higher SMV; a better job, house, social status, etc.

[–]RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing is "wrong with it" but she may find that men have inherent value systems programmed into their psyche that they cannot shake no matter how hard they try; that inherent voice that tugs at their hindbrain and tells them that they shouldn't marry a woman who was overly (by the guy's standards) promiscuous.

Look at DB, relationshits, and the like and you'll see all kinds of stories about guys who married the party girl and the "fun" girl and the girl who went to Cabo on spring break during their relationship "break" because it's okay to let her do whatever she wants. And you'll see how those stories end in her wanting "independence" or "space" or "to figure herself out" while she is married... and more times than not, you'll see that these stories have comments, from OP, about how she had this same behavior before they were married. (BTW, those euphemisms from her are code for "I want to fuck other guys."

The "problem" with it all is that people don't really change. Once they are comfortable, they will revert back to what they do when they are comfortable. So if she is prone to wanting to ride the CC all time and drop to her knees at the hint of a smile from Chad, then she will most likely carry this into her marriage, once she is comfortable and sees that nothing in her life is ever different, she may revert back to what she did when her life was comfortable: she finds change. Typical time frames for this used to be around 7 years (7 year itch) but I think it happens sooner, nowadays.

There is a stark difference between a woman who fucks different guys regularly and has few relationships and a woman who has many long term relationships. and just slightly more notches. The latter is a far better candidate for an LTR.

And don't be fooled by the girls who say, "I only have sex with my boyfriends" and then you find out that she is absolutely telling the truth but that she has had 26 boyfriends over the past year; this woman is a serial monogamist and has simply moved the bar on what a proper "long term relationship is." It shows immaturity and the behavior is reminiscent of high-school "relationships" where they last only a few weeks. This woman is stuck in perpetual adolescence.

It's not what she does in her 20's (or at all) that is bad but her quality of decisions.

So I'll leave you with this:

What is the difference between a woman who has had sex with 300 guys in her 20's and a woman who has sex with 300 guys in her 20's for money?

[–]DeathToTheZog 1 point2 points  (4 children)

No one wants to settle with 10 day old roast beef, with a side of herpes.

[–]F6SdVcSrK5jt -1 points0 points  (3 children)

r/incels is leaking.

[–]DeathToTheZog -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I smell a blue haired harpy.

[–]F6SdVcSrK5jt -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I am none of it. I am a fully functional adult male, unlike some damaged humans who think relationships are about pills.

[–]DeathToTheZog -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Way to generalize, just like a blue haired harpy.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Children will be better off in homes where the parents have the closet bond with each other. Women will be able to bond much more easily with their partner (and maybe their kids) when they are younger and have had fewer anonymous, varied, risky sexual encounters.

Besides the effect on kids, I think it's probably better for society in general if people are not primarily pursuing ephemeral, pleasure-based relationships, but establishing longer-lasting friendships and community ties.

Men have more ability to have children later in life, so their ideal period to be fathers is probably a bit longer. I don't think guys who fuck tons of chicks and never have serious relationships end up making great dads either. However, men seem to be more idealistic/romantic by nature anyway and a minimal amount of playing the field balances those impulses out by bringing them back down to earth.

I think women become much more cynical about men much quicker the more they sexually experiment. But yeah, I don't think limitless promiscuity is good for either sex.

[–]KettleLogic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's normally because typically, due to the female mating strategy vs male and social stigma, they come with more baggage.

[–]king_of_red_alphas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I definitely agree that a woman that is basically addicted to validation through sex is not a safe prospect for a relationship, the funny thing is that most of TRP would basically tell you to “next” any girl that didn’t put out so fast you’d call her a slut.

Basically if a girl falls for your bag of tricks and fucks you quickly, she’s not worth an LTR.

If she doesn’t and makes you wait, she’s not into you enough and is secretly banging chad anyway so you need to next.

[–]martinger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing wrong Normal

[–]batfish55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, do you have any exe's? How do you feel when you think about her banging someone else? Weeeeird, right? I feel weird.

Second, search for that CDC-funded study that linked divorce to women's N count. Women can't bond with a single man if they've fucked around a lot. At some point, I read a post about what happens to humans during orgasm.....

Men's brains get dumped with dopamine. We feel relaaaaxed.

Women's brains get dumped with oxytocin. AKA the bonding hormone. AKA the chemical that floods her brain during and after childbirth, that makes them bond like hell to their newborns. How many strong bonds like that do you think one woman can maintain? Not many. That's why she's thinking of Chad Thundercock when she's fucking you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Female here, 20. I can’t tell you for every other female, but I will tell you personally, it’s bad because when you have stuff going on elsewhere in your life: sex is NOT the way to go to block it out. Sadly, I didn’t realize until I’m now 23 guys in. Haven’t had sex in over 8 months because I do want a committed ltr. (I’ve always wanted that, but I went about it the completely wrong way.)

It was more or less like “if I have sex with him, he’ll stay. “ Girls get attached easier. I know I do, for sure. That’s why it’s bad. It kind of looks like “oh, you don’t care.” You seem easy. It’s definitely a question I avoid.

In other words: I have other shit going on. So, if you’re a young girl with childhood issues, deal with that shit before you go sleeping around.

I’m doing my best to put my past behind me, but it’s really fucking hard when your number exceeds your age. I regret every one of them. My goal: to raise a daughter with someone who will make a better father than mine, and teach her better values.

[–]Joey_Lopez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes a girl unsuitable for a LTR. The problem that society is having right now is that too many females now think that's it acceptable to slut it up and now there aren't many suitable women available. So now this generation of men can no longer have a good woman to start a family with like all the past generations did.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Nothing inherently wrong. Just that girls with high N count make terrible long-term prospects. So if you're beta or care for society, it's a bummer. If you're alpha, you don't care because you won't go LTR anyway.


[–]LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you use LTR as in, monogamous partnership, or LTR as in, one of a few plates who you keep around for a longer time (year +)

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

answer A. LTR as in monogamous partnership with exclusive sexual access. But I understand my answer might ruffle some feathers. See my other answer for an explanation as to why to me why you can't be alpha in a LTR

[–]Joey_Lopez 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can still be alpha and want a LTR to make an heir one day.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it depends on the definitions of alpha/beta. In my definition, if you provide in significant amount, you're beta. And there's no more providing that marrying a girl, giving her your exclusive time, attention, sex, always being the one she relies on when she's upset, and access to your finances. Beta isn't bad in my definition. it's just a different strategy than being the exciting jerk/asshole/pool-boy/adventurer/millionaire of that ONE night...

[–]Jailhouseredpilled93 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

If she fucks 100 men with various cock sizes 1 time each or one man with a huge cock 100 times. A woman is only as bad as her biggest cock.

[–]omega_dawg93 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i have 3 older sisters who have 100's of girlfriends btw them. as the young snotty-nosed brat hanging around, let me tell you what i heard first hand: they like playing around with big ones, but in the 'big' picture, they really don't care about cock size unless it's a micro-penis.

what really matters is how many guys went raw, how many abortions, and how many STDs. those 3 things you'll never know truthfully bc they block them out in their memory.

remember, if she doesn't talk about it, it never happened... bc without words, she won't feel it again.

[–]Jailhouseredpilled93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True dat.

[–]varrr -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes undersexed men get mad about it but it's basically a matter of envy. Are you familiar with the fable of the fox and the grapes by Aesop? A fox try to eat some grapes on a vine but cannot reach them, no matter how hard he tries. So he just give up and rationalize his faliure by saying that the grapes were probably not even ripe and sour, and nobody wants to eat those anyway.

So when people see a woman that litteraly fucked anybody but them they just belittle her by saying stuff like: "who want a slut anyway, chad pumped her throat, she probably has STDs, think about how many cock she swallowed." Obviously that is a valid argument for most women, except the ones that they can get laid with, those are not so bad, it seems.

[–]Joey_Lopez 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's not just the guys that can't get any that are disturbed by the whore culture. I would like to make an heir one day and it's depressing when you see that most girls 7+ are just not worthy of anymore then a pump and dump.

[–]varrr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah you know that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the clearly butthurt and offensive comments that you can usually read on this subreddit. There is a slight diffenrence between that sort of witch hunt that that we are used to see here in the comments and what you've just said.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I started to realize my value once I hit about 35. I have always gotten plenty of pussy, to put it crudely. Once I realized that I was a high value male I started to be much more picky.

Now I look around at the hookup culture and like most men, I imagine, I am simultaneously turned on and disgusted. I love fucking slutty girls but but I like bringing out their inner slut. I don't like to be the last cock in there after the train has left the station. As for LTRs or mating for family making...what a mess. I'm glad I'm not 25. Good luck out there guys. They're all showing their worst colors these days and unfortunately they're getting instant validation and reward from cunt hungry boys (and men). The wall is going to be brutal on this last decade of teens-20's as they age out of automatic acceptance and worship.

[–]quicklogaccount -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Absolutely nothing. What is inherently wrong is women trying to tell men which women they should or should not prefer. You can use absolutely ANY criteria to chose a partner.

There is a reason we vehemently say they're not relationship material though. They're more prone to be too demanding, less prone to offer anything to make up for that and more knowledgeable about how to shame men into staying in committed relationships. So basically if an experienced guy considers one as a LTR partner, he knows what he's getting into, but if an inexperienced guy considers one, there's a chance he's getting fooled and he shouldn't put himself in that position.

[–]bumbuff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nothing inherently wrong with it.

But habits are hard to break. Imagine marrying someone that's used to just going home with whomever because it's that easy for them?

[–]nastynickdr -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Wrong? No. Everyone is free to make their choices in life and suffer its consequences.

But they are very likely to be poor choices for a LTR. Not to mention STD risk and since they are getting married older it will be harder to have kids. Also women age faster than men, so they getting married in her 30s will leave hubby with very fewer "hot wife" years. She is also more likely to cheat, since she´s used to ride a variety of cocks, will be less likely to pair bond with hubby and doesnt need emotional attachment to sit on some strangers cock.

It´s each woman´s choice to whore it up or not. Their life, their rules, their choices. And its men´s choice to accept to commit to a slut/reformed slut or not. His life, his rules, his choices. Big problem here is to find out if she was a slut or not, since they all lie about n-count.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

...they all lie about n-count.

Of all the issues associated with highly promiscuous women...loss of pair bonding, possible STDs, possible infertility, emotional baggage, showing up with someone else’s child/children – the overt failure to openly and honestly disclose N-Count is duplicitous, dishonest, and super-hypocritical.

For all the caterwauling and strong cries of independence, empowerment, and "it doesn’t matter" the number of sexual partners…men have to assume that women are outright lying if she is late-20’s or early 30’s.

What this literally means is they are ASHAMED of their past and true number of sexual partners.

Women refuse to own their behavior and be honest, despite knowing it would give them more credibility to men. It’s laughable for anyone to believe a woman’s number is three sexual partners when she lost her virginity at age 15 and has been partying, drinking, and on the carousel through age 25 – now that she’s ready to "settle."

Among other things, women refuse to tell the truth on this one aspect that matters to many men, despite being "proud of their sexual past." It’s an insult as many women know their true number is a death-blow to obtaining a High Value Man. In fact – less than fifty years ago, anything over one to two sexual partners was a certified death-blow to High Tier Men.

Today, young girls are coming out of high school and college with N-Count at incredible numbers.

Welcome to modern-era dating. Cue the shaming articles on "male insecurity" of sexually active and promiscuous women while trying to get the Beta Male Chump to pay full price for something many others got for free.

One day, even Beta Males are going to figure this out and these women will have ZERO options for Good Men.

[–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All that was well said. Really nothing else to add.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wonderfully astute, my fellow old man. It's a joy reading your succinct responses.