HB10 extremely cold (self.asktrp)

submitted by ievoronov

Guys I need your advice in this one particular case. I’m currently studying with this one girls who’s like a solid 10 in all categories. Looks and brains. Ever since she came to my class we have been talking but I can’t move up to the next level with her. She’s super friendly for the most part but the problem is she’s extremely friendly with everyone, me, all her girlfriends, some extremely awkward dude who everyone thinks is a weirdo. We are all equal in her eyes. Plus all of her conversations that she starts with me are about school and work, never anything personal. This is the first time I’ve seen a girl who’s so cold and “uninterested”. I’m a great looking guy as far as I’ve been told and definitely am sure I’m enough to pull her off.

Have you ever had “Don’t care about relationships or anything personal” type of girl and how did you deal with her?

Also I should mention that’s it’s very hard to read her emotions, so I’m really not able to tell if she’s shy or just doesn’t give a fuck when we interact.

[–]1alpha-zach 120 points121 points  (35 children)

You’re in her frame heavy. She perceives you as a beta orbiter.

Ignore her. She’ll have to come to you if you have any chance.

[–]shubhidoobi 75 points76 points  (6 children)

This. Every guy who says a given girl is a 10 is in her frame and has oneities for her because 10's don't exists like unicorn.

[–]1alpha-zach 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Exactly. You’ll enjoy my elaboration on my theory posted above.

[–]ChicksLoveAJ1s 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Just curious, why the fuck do people say 10s don't exist? I define a 10 just as a top 10% girl. Now I understand why people say perfect 10s don't exist because no one is really perfect yada yada, but even then I feel they are taking the statement too literally: I consider perfect 10 as someone I couldn't even point out what could be better.

[–]shubhidoobi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

10's don't exists for the same reason as Chad thundercock don't exists.

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    [–]ChicksLoveAJ1s 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What? No it wouldn't. Hb10s accounts for 10% of the population. Hb9 accounts for 10%. Hb8 for 10%.... HB1s account for 10%.

    HB10s happen to be the top 10%. Not 1%, where did that even come from?

    [–]ievoronov[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I fully agree with you.

    [–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Anytime you see a beta with a hot girl out of his league, it’s because she targeted him. It was predatory.

    [–]Redpillreader22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Seen this shit time and time again.

    [–]Wrath_of_Trump 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    True. Walk away and play a game you might actually win at. If you're a great looking guy then the last thing you want to do is be her fucking friend.

    [–]flashcash12 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    Terrible advice. There's nothing bad about having hot friends that are girls as long as you aren't an orbiter. If you are a great looking guy then she can be a resource. Not every relationship is plate or orbit.

    [–]Ko0lGuY 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Not sure about this guy's ratings but if she was an actual 10 then it'd be very tough to have her "as a friend". More than likely he would slip into being her provider as he is already doing with schoolwork.

    [–]Wrath_of_Trump 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    If he is steaming this chick hard and not getting the job done, he's launching himself into orbit. She's not giving him any feedback despite his investment in interacting with her, he needs to fall back.

    [–]xxLMxx 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Fuck her sister / best friend

    [–]ievoronov[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children)

    The thing is that, I’ve been playing her extremely hard since she came. Never been her bitch and was quite good in terms of keeping my own frame. She does come to me, and pretty often, but it’s usually all about school and work. Never anything like “Hey, how are you doing” it’s always “Hey, did you do this essay?”. I’ve been thinking about dropping all contact with her but that’s a bit too hard considering we see each other mandatory many times a day.

    [–]1alpha-zach 3 points4 points  (16 children)

    Have you ask her to meet you x at y?

    [–]ievoronov[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children)

    Yep and she agreed, but the day before I text her to check if “we’re up for tomorrow” she had something else come up. Doctors appointment so she rescheduled it to this Saturday. Didn’t mention anything about going out in 4 days now tho. I haven’t either because I’d seen a bit needy.

    [–]1alpha-zach 43 points44 points  (4 children)

    Irrelevant. If she likes you, she feels awkward about showing any excitement. Just keep distance until Saturday. Check day of. If she shows up, you’re golden. If not, you know where you stand and should soft next.

    [–]kylerosa21 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Follow this man’s advice.

    [–]swishandswallow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You texted her and then she told you something came up? Drop her like a bad habit.

    [–]StinkyDiaper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    She ain't interested. Move on.

    [–]Zahlix 24 points25 points  (4 children)

    She treats you all the same (professionally, distant, surface friendly) because, to her, you are all the same. She is most likely highly aware of her looks. Just being a good looking guy from class might not be enough to satisfy her hypergamic needs.

    If she really is a 10 (model face, fit body, young, feminine, perfect dimensions and everything being "perky") she will be drowning in offers from guys.

    Focus on yourself, treat her like all the other girls and if she really is interested in you she will give you IOIs.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    You described it perfectly, she is exactly like you said it. And she really is, in fact I’m pretty sure she’s signed to IMG models and travels to different countries for shoots.

    [–]StinkyDiaper 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    Then she is obviously used to lots of attention from very high value and alpha men. She likely has multiple dudes on tap, all day every day.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yeah she does, oh man I saw her Snapchat inbox, you probably would be able to scroll fast for a minute before reaching the bottom of all her pending images and messages. Yet when I send her something. She opens it within a minute. The feeling a got is that I am in her frame but have every chance to get out if I play my cards right, that’s why I am here.

    [–]BobMargarita 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I think what everyone is saying here is that the way you're going about getting her is fear-based. You are afraid to escalate, you're afraid of what she will think of you and the possible rejection. You need to treat her like you would any regular girl. You need to step back, realize that it doesn't matter if you fuck her or not, and just let everything flow. Don't think about playing your cards right or wrong; if you actually have a chance with her, you should feel like it, and not feel like you're playing a hand of cards and any bad word or move could ruin it. That's a beta way of thinking.

    [–]Nergaal 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    Oneitis unicorning

    [–]Casd12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    already here.

    [–]DillonDockery 31 points32 points  (1 child)

    "Guys, there is this one special girl I have class with. She is not like any other girl and my situation is totally unique. Tell me the magic trick I need to attract this special girl and make her my girlfriend."

    Read. The. Sidebar.

    [–]ReefaShark 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    This entire sub

    [–]room_303 21 points22 points  (8 children)

    There are no 10's, if you think she is then you are putting her on a pedestal, if she's uninterested then that's all she will ever be, she'd be sucking your dick if you were of high enough smv.
    Game other girls, ghost her and close her file.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    I usually do this. Guess this could be a start up of oneitis. But the problem is I’m about to see her for almost everyday of he working week the next 1.5 years. Ghosting would be hard. And of course she’s not my only plate.

    [–]TheRedPillMonkey 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    This follows shitting where you eat rules. You fuck her, you can cause problems for yourself.

    But if you wanted to get her attention, then don't treat her special. Treat her like every other girl, or maybe even a little less. That will get her hamster spinning. Tease heavily. Act like she doesn't mean anything to you but sex, get distant if you're not getting it.

    You're the prize, not her. Make her realize you don't find her that special and let her try and change your mind.

    [–]ievoronov[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

    Right, thanks for your advice. About the “Don’t shit where you eat.” This is the first time in my life that I’m willing to break that, and by breaking it I mean try to get her. If somehow all works out and we date for a bit, I’d want it to be all civil that if we break up we can still function around each other.

    [–]room_303 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    I think you've already married her in your head.

    [–]wheresMYsteakAt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    He's even got the"if we break up scenario" played out in his head where they are both civil but mess around a little bit whenerer he is horny.

    [–]moltenw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    speaking from experience, very much likely this guy is already done. Hasn't even gotten on a date with her and thinking about scenarios where he dates her and what would happen if they break up...bad sign.

    [–]TheRedPillMonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Right, thanks for your advice. About the “Don’t shit where you eat.” This is the first time in my life that I’m willing to break that, and by breaking it I mean try to get her. If somehow all works out and we date for a bit, I’d want it to be all civil that if we break up we can still function around each other.

    Want it to be civil? Sure. We all would. You don't get to decide that. Chances are she'd get pissed at you, have you kicked out, and tell people you harrassed her.

    Don't play the future with a woman out in your head ever. It never goes the way you want. Hope for the best, assume the worst.

    [–]room_303 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ask her out and burn the bridge i guess.

    [–]mrpoopistan 8 points9 points  (5 children)

    A 10 is just an 8 who happens to tick off all the right boxes for you in terms of type.

    Also, there's the ironclad rule of internet self-reporting. Take the report and subtract two automatically. So, again, she's an 8.

    First, let's be clear, you're being a fuckin pussy. Even by the most blue pill standards, you're being a pussy.

    You've literally done nothing to warm her up. You're just hoping that she magically drifts toward you by virtue of how your useless fucking mass bends spacetime to cause her to slope down into the gravity well you've created by barely existing.

    Yeah, she's uninterested. Guess what? Even if she were interested, you might not know it because she might be waiting for you to unfuck yourself and show some interest.

    This is why women place such a high premium on social savvy: it weeds you the fuck out of the potential breeding pool, reducing the chances her kids will end up with low-function autism.

    Find a way to shape the conversation. By hook or by crook. Bad boys win because they don't fuck around waiting for the conversation to come to them.

    [–]omega_dawg93 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    EGG-zactly!!! listen to this man.

    when asked why she prefers to date bad boys, my sister responded:

    "i don't like to date bad boys, but when all the other boys sit there with their dix tucked btw their legs, the bad boys approach... they ASK... and i'd rather be doing something than doing nothing."

    so, grow some testicleeees and tell her you find her attractive, you're not interested in friendship, and tactfully suggest that you'd like to bend her over.

    [–]mrpoopistan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is one of those things that kills me about game, so-called.

    Most people are praying that someone -- anyone -- will break the conversational ice. People are thankful for someone to step up.

    "Hello" is powerful simply because being confident enough to do it has huge benefits. Clearly stating your intentions is powerful because people rarely do it.

    One of the reasons women select for such a small sample of the male population is that 80% of men are too chickenshit to engage in the basic act of seeking what they want.

    People, in general, amble through life hoping for something to happen. This is why stories like Harry Potter and Star Wars are popular. They're always about some boring fuck who finds out that -- GASP! -- they're the fulcrum of fucking history. It just falls out the sky and lands on them. No need to set out on an adventure . . . adventure comes to you.

    Except that's not how it works. It's just a fucking wish fulfillment fantasy for the timid.

    [–]Peach1632 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm a woman who occasionally contributes here. I agree so hard with this. My husband was a bad boy. I had a bf when we met, but one day he leaned in, looked in my eyes, and said "you know I'm going to fuck you one day, right"? SO HOT. I saw him again later when I was single and jumped his bones.

    [–]erthian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    While she's right its also true that she has no idea what she actually wants. It's equally appealing to women to reject a guy for social tingles.

    [–]mchilds83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This was hilarious.

    [–]1HS-Thompson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This is literally the first entry in the FAQ.

    [–]turtlings 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    One day you’re gonna look back at this post and see the obvious answer that you can’t now. You’re in her giant planet of beta orbitary.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I know I will. Have many times already thinking about my past situations, even with my very little knowledge and experience I now am able to see what I did wrong and where I could have done something much better that I have. It’s just a bummer that it will happen in the future where’s I might have been able to do something right now if I started earlier.

    [–]turtlings 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    In all honesty, I hope I’m wrong. I’ve been in your spot too. What’s your plan tho?

    [–]ievoronov[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I feel like ignoring her or treating her like she ain’t shit but not being flat out rude is a good way to go for now. I’ll see how and what goes on in the future. But I’ll definitely try to up my frame in the next days. Will Listen to the Audio version of No More Mr Nice Guy.

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    [–]PhaedrusHunt 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    She's holding her cards close. That type has her pick of men and is probably fucking at least one or two guys.

    Remember, she's a slut for the right guy.

    Now. YOU have put her in a pedestal already. Being all chivalrous and shit.

    Bro. Listen. Women need to be challenged.

    You sound SO underconfident. You need to bang a 10 and then you'll realize that all women are the same. There's no such thing as a 10. Get it?

    Start treating her like she's a 4, and see where that goes.

    That's my advice. Treat EVERY woman like a 4.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Oh my. I’ve thought about doing this. And the thing about there being no 10 is so true to me now. This is probably one of the most helpful posts I’ve ever done on reddit.

    [–]stylesm11 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Is anyone truly a 10?? If you think of her so highly it'd probably be healthiest to focus on other women

    [–]justicecantakeanap 2 points3 points  (0 children)


    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    you've already lost

    [–]Cmdrj-nice 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    After reading the first sentence I feel like you are developing oneitis for her

    [–]ievoronov[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I feel like that too.

    [–]purplefidgetmidget 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Mythical HB10 will only be attracted to someone with higher SMV than herself, so that she can submit to him. Imagine what kind of guy that would have to be. It isn't anyone in your class.

    To even have a chance of it being someone in your class, that person would likely need to have the highest SMV out of everyone there, and the respect and admiration of their peers.

    If she's HB10, you'd need to be an 11. Which is one more.

    [–]wheresMYsteakAt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Eve, who by definition of being the only woman alive would have been a Ten. She was offered eternal life in Paradise and still tried to Branch swing....on God. True or not it's still the first story about human interaction written by men thousands of years ago so yes hypergamy is a thing.

    [–]ievoronov[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Agree with you. Our class isn’t big, and I’d probably say I have everyone’s respect apart from hers. It bothers me since this is the first “code” i don’t have a single clue at cracking. Wish I really did though...

    [–]ReefaShark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Wtf is this? I just read 20 comments of good advice, plus a link to a FAQ page to perfectly answer this, and you’re still saying you don’t know how to break the code? There are no 10s, and only excessive ignorance of the pill could make you believe she can only be “won” by an 11.

    [–]mrpthrowa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Turn it around. Act towards her as if she is the one that needs to win you over.

    [–]FemtoG 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    you are just an interesting creature to her. she sees the pupil dilation.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Read the fucking sidebar, pay particular attention to "there's this one girl" and all other oneitis comments.


    Game this girl, but game all the other girls too. Stop trying to make it work with this ONE SPECIAL GIRL.

    [–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    while you're praising her as a 10 on the pedestal you built with home depot's HOPE wood, there's a guy near her... near you... somewhere close that's fucking her relentlessly when you're not around.

    and more than likely, he's tired of fucking her... thinks she's a 7, and treats her like option #3.

    and because of how he treats her, she's not going ANYWHERE.

    move on, dude.

    [–]clammastak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    i'm assuming you're not in orbitor stage yet...if that's the case, then you should ask her out just you and her, grab drinks. If being too direct will scare her off, then make it very casual. sounds like you already have the odds in your favor if she is willing to spend extra time with you over others. Maybe she's out of your league but you can easily win her over through maintaining frame, being the cool alpha, and being dgaf

    [–]Pork_Sword3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    this one girl

    Ahh it never gets old. Sidebar my dude.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    These comments just show lack of empathy and general misunderstanding of female psychology. Find a girl who's decent looking and parade her own n front of this one, test her resolve and watch her fold like a cheap Walmart suit. Test the 10s and 9s, do what every women does to men its that easy. If I where are you? You I would just keep her as a wing woman if she's that hot

    [–]Yngwie_is_god -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    Yeah Jew girl isn’t a 10, you’ve put her on a pedestal.... go read Mein Kampf should cure you of that. (Second Part is joke....)

    [–]mrrooftops 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Oder ist es...

    [–]Yngwie_is_god 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Ich werde dich raten lassen

    [–]mrrooftops 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Dein geheimnis ist bei mir sicher

    [–]waynebradysworld -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    A hole is a hole

    [–]mrHappyPotatoe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    For attraction to work man must be a bit cooler than girl.

    [–]Morphs_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    She has her bitch shield up. It's to filter out guys who are after her pussy because of her looks. And if she's a 10, she'll be getting a lot of unwanted attention so she needs the bitch shield.

    You can break the bitch shield by negging her hard. Demonstrate that you are, unlike the other guys, not impressed by her looks (even though you are). Make remarks about her averageness to kick her off her pedestal.

    Once she lowers her bitch shield and warms up you can run normal game, but be aware that you don't ever put her back on the pedestal.