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METAWho is Red Pill for, anyway? (self.RedPillWomen)

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This may have turned into a bit of a rant. I had an interesting interaction with a user today. He was upset because he felt that the direction of this sub has been lost and that we have essentially devolved into a sub that teaches old sluts how to reel in a BB. This lead me to ask the question, who is Red Pill for?

Red Pill is for women who have realized that the liberal, feminist agenda that we are indoctrinated with all of our lives is not making them happy. It is for the ladies who think, "there must be a better way to interact with my SO, there has to be another dynamic than this current one that isn't working."

It's for the 18 year old virgin who's never had a serious boyfriend. But, and this seems to be where this particular fellow had a problem, it's also for the 28 year old who realizes she wasted her youth on the wrong priorities and is looking for help to fix them. It's for the 35 year old divorced mother who is looking to fix the problems and ideologies she has been using and find a good man.

Sure, some men may think that some ladies are just trying to have their cake and eat it too, but to that I say, how can you tell the difference between one women who is genuinely trying to better herself and the one who is doing it to be manipulative? You can't, so err on the side of caution and help everyone.

Yes, some guys are going to be turned off by your age, your children, your divorce history, your party girl past. That's a natural consequence of life. Did you know a better way at the time? The answer doesn't matter because it doesn't effect the outcome. The point is, you're here now. You're looking to fix things now.

We all have a past and while some may condemn you for it, others won't. Those are the men you are bettering yourself for. Some men who are angry or bitter and come here may say they're all betas or they're low quality men but if you see quality in this man, who is some stranger on the Internet to tell you you're wrong?

Ladies, we are in a much better position than or feminist counterparts, no matter what age you swallow the pill. I'm not encouraging a "team woman" attitude and I'm certainly not encouraging the women looking to glean what they can from the sub for their own manipulative game.

When I look at posts for advice or field reports and see some posters condemning those of us who have the courage to open up about our past mistakes, it really irritates me. Red pill is about seeing reality for what it is and using it to live your life the best way you can. You can't un-ride the CC and you can't go back in time to hunt for a husband at 23. Start where you're at now. The journey is still worthwhile. Don't let the occasional bitter poster bring you down.

I truly believe in this journey, I know it has changed my life and marriage for the absolute better. I certainly wish I had found it earlier in my 20's than I did, but the point is, I did indeed find the Red Pill. This journey, this mind set, this lifestyle, this praxeology, is a truly indispensable thing to integrate into your life and a cause I very strongly believe in.


[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children)

I've always been atheist, but when I was young I was much more brash and disrespectful about it. "If religion is so great, why are there so many messed-up religious people?" was my snarky attitude.

I'm still atheist, but I once read a rebuttal to that common point of skepticism that helped me understand and respect people of faith better.

Churches are not just museums for saints, they are also hospitals for sinners.

The same applies to The Red Pill. People from all walks of life find and attempt to swallow the pill. People farther along the path to RP enlightenment help nobody by pointing up the faults of those with farther to go than them.

The Dr. Laura Schlessinger show started out on local radio; she was compassionate and helpful to all of her callers. At some point she became nationally syndicated (and slotted after the Limbaugh program in many markets), embraced religion and conservative politics, and her show devolved into her taking the most pathetic callers and browbeating and berating them on the air instead of being helpful. "Good" callers developed a cult-like following, prefacing their calls with Dr. Laura catchphrases. The show became unhelpful to callers and listeners alike; a cult of personality and empty virtue-signalling ensued.

Under the old Mod team, RPW became similarly cult-like for a time, and those not conforming to a narrow standard were berated and kicked off the sub as failures at womaning.

The current RPW management and Mod team wish to maintain a "bigger tent" atmosphere, welcoming those from all walks of life who are interested in the Red Pill Women lifestyle, practices, and beliefs. If someone is interested in working toward RP ideals, we're not going to judge (much less reject them) only by where they started from, but where they intend to work toward.

Sometimes this means advising CC-riders, divorcees, single mothers, unmarried older women, and others popularly stigmatized on the male redpill subs.

To our male lurkers critical of us helping folks like this: Are you aware that many women think the reforming Betas of TRP are disgusting fakers, and think that sub should be shut down and merged with various blue pill subs? Regardless of how you reconcile this double standard, we aren't about to stop advising women how to be better Red Pill Women, any more than we think that TRP should be shut down so the Betas of the world are stuck for life with their lot.

This sub helps WOMEN with WOMEN'S sexual strategies. TRP helps MEN with their strategies, which are different, even though drawn from the same body of RP theory and praxeology.

If you think you see a problem post, use the Report link under it instead of posting an unhelpful accusation or concern in the thread. You can also message the mod team with any concerns. That said, let's not crap up the threads with complaining about who you think is naturally RP enough to be able to post here without harassment or rejection. Edit:a word

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Not all of the readers are former sluts, anyway. Some of us did start looking for a husband at 23 and failed because of personal issues, difficulty to find the right captain or other feminist agenda minus the CC riding. Or some readers have already been RPW and looking to have a mutual group of women because we all know it's increasingly difficult to find more traditional women, especially if you are not religious.

Beautiful post as always!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A very good point! And thank you.

[–]FleetingWishEndorsed Contributor 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Beautiful post Sadie. It is not worthwhile to be overly critical about our past. We can not change our past, and we cannot become younger. We only can only fix our future. While it is true that certain baggage will exclude certain men from our reach, that doesn't mean that you should give up... because you only truly condemn yourself to a life a spinsterhood when you give up.

We are not here to be learn how to be virgin, 18 year-olds, with 10/10 looks, because none of those things are things you can learn. Instead we are here to learn try to keep our future partner count low, act youthful and full of energy, and do the best we can with our appearance.

You are only given one life, make the best that you can out of it. Worry about the things you can change, not the things you can't.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

you only truly condemn yourself to a life a spinsterhood when you give up.

So true! Plus, I'm not sure how many followers we'd have if we all sat around moaning and lamenting about how we are all old sluts! Lol

[–]Mentathiel 6 points7 points  (21 children)

I don't know what all the fuss about manipulation is about. Manipulation is handling, controlling or influencing someone in a skillful manner. Which pretty much makes it a part of every human interaction. When you smile when you meet someone, you're making them smile too by subconscious mimicry, which results in them feeling a bit happier which reinforces their association of you with happiness. Same as when you joke around with someone. When you shit test someone you're being manipulative without realizing it. When you ask people you've just met small favors (women often get treats on first dates or ask the guy to hold something) you're actually causing them to like you more through rationalizing the fact that they put effort in for you (therefore they must like you enough to put the effort in).

Our interactions are filled with manipulation. There's nothing wrong with being manipulative.

What's wrong is being manipulative in a selfish way, in a way that furthers your own goals at the expense of others with no gain for them. For instance, friendzoning someone and letting them orbit you, giving signs of interest, letting them pay for you, invest in you emotionally, spend time with you, but not showing/telling that you're actually not interested. Or lying about your sexual history in an attempt to lock down a better man, even although you have emotional baggage he didn't bargain for. RPW doesn't advocate anything of this sort.

So the fuss they're throwing is likely denial or fear. I saw some people at TRP say this is a reformation school after CC and all the accounts like mine, of young inexperienced women, are fake. They don't want us to exist. They're in the anger phase of swallowing TRP and they don't want to accept there are women who are trying. We're either fake, post CC or post-wall or here to further our manipulation techniques.

This is one of the reasons why one has to have a stomach for TRP. I go there occasionally to lurk, but you have to have understanding and empathy for those who're going through anger phase. TRP is trying to be welcoming towards all of them and let them express and deal with those emotions and, although it gives their sub a bad name, it's a very important part of the process for men swallowing the pill.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Absolutely true about the anger phase. Those are the baby trp-ers. We have baby rpws. And then we have seniors. It's all the same but some of the random posters that come here and then dump all over the women because of what they did pre-RPW upset me. I don't want anyone leaving our sub because they feel they're too far gone or can't be helped.

It was either SouthernAthena or RProller that posted a very honest FR and a guy who never posts here came over and said something about how if he was her boyfriend he would dump her for all the CC riding she had done or something like that. I hate those comments. How discouraging when you're trying to better yourself. And also, truly not this guy's business at all!

[–]Mentathiel 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Basically, you shouldn't focus on the things people can't change. Much like race might factor into your SMV depending on the society you live in and we'll all admit it and say it openly, but there's no point discouraging someone from pushing all the other aspects to maximize their SMV. CC riding is a bad move and you likely won't be able to get a mate of as high value after (luck factors in, tho), but there's still steps you should take to maximize the value of one you can ensure and then to keep him around and happy.

It's basically the same problem as it would be with us going to TRP and lecturing them. Our sexual strategies clash and therefore some men feel challenged and undermined, instead of compassionate, when they come here.

[–]En-Zu -1 points0 points  (9 children)

Always been curious about this. What is it exactly about CC riding that makes it so offensive. I know it leaves a bad taste in men's mouths and might reflect on your wisdom but does the CC actually have any negative effects to your person? Does it change a person in an actual & negative way?

[–]Mentathiel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't actually know. Never rode the CC and only vaguely know girls who are on it now, nobody who's actually post-CC, so I could only give you the default RP rhetoric.

From what I gather, women are generally unhappy on CC. They are hoping to be upgraded from being a plate to being exclusive. I know one girl who's been obsessing over a man who's plating her for years, hoping he'd develop feelings. If they're in STRs or monkey-branching, they tend to keep themselves busy, but at some point they realize they're empty.

According to TRP, women will be plated by Alpha men who have a much higher SMV than their own (a kind of man they won't be able to secure) and then once they get the taste of that they can't settle for a more beta choice. I think they call extreme cases of this Alpha Widows or something.

Also heard that emotional baggage from previous one night stands or relationships damages your ability to pair-bond. If you didn't secure commitment after giving up sex or if relationship fell apart, that hurts you emotionally and gradually makes you more and more afraid to bond with someone, to open yourself to them. You're more paranoid and harder to manage.

Frankly, I don't care. Never saw CC as something that attracted me, so I don't have to worry about its consequences on me. When giving advice here or to my friends I'll assume the position that it's bad simply because men (on large, maybe I'm generalizing) think it is, therefore it - at the very least - shrinks your pool of choices for a partner and/or lowers your SMV.

Oh, yeah, the reason why men generally dislike it is because it is AF/BB strategy. You go around fucking alphas while you can, while you're in your prime, hoping to get commitment from one of them or have their child and then you get off the CC and settle for the orbiter who's been your BFF showering you with attention for a decade. But you have already refused to give yourself to him when you were in your prime, when you had better options, you're just using him now that your options are drained.

There's also a simple evolutionary mechanism at play. If a woman fucks around, you're not sure her children are yours. This causes men to be more jealous about sex, because those who weren't got selected out of the gene pool by cheating women, by raising other men's children.

I don't know, I might be rambling and repeating myself by now. What's your take on all this? Do you agree with the above, or would you add/take something from it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

In addition to what /u/Mentathiel wrote, it also affects a woman's ability to pair bond. If she has bonded with too many men, the ability to feel passion and loyalty with a LT partner is significantly diminished and that doesn't bode well for a marriage.

There's also a significant chance that at some point she will be aloha widowed and in that case no man she dates will be as good as the one that got away. I wouldn't want to play second fiddle to someone who dumped my SO.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

aloha widowed

It's that thing of where a single gal is depressed looking out her frosty office window in January, thinking of the incredible times she had in Maui.

She has upcoming plans for Myrtle Beach on Memorial Day weekend, but, she knows it will never compare...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

😂😂😂 I love it

ALPHA

[–]En-Zu 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Well see that seems a bit like a kind of way to scientifically dress up the idea that women are "degraded" by having multiple partners.

I'm just not sure I buy the whole "Oxytocin" tolerance theory that we're kind of working with here.

Also I'd like to see a functional way for these ideas to come into effect because it sounds like your advice is just for women to not have any romantic/sexual encounters until she's of a marriageable age and I just feel like that's not very actionable. It assumes that a woman will have the relationship and self-knowledge necessary for a stable relationship with the lack of experience of a virgin and I just don't think that's something possible. At least not that I can see.

Though you could just be arguing against the CC extreme. In which case I'd like to see an actionable alternative put forth where a woman would be able to play the field responsibly.

I also find it insulting a little bit that my ego would be construed as so fragile that I could only be seen as worthwhile if a woman literally touched no other man before me. Basically that I could only win some woman's heart if she didn't know any better. There are other ways to stroke my ego for sure that don't require removing the field of competition. 1st place in a competition of one? Who can feel good about that even if that were possible?

Also do you apply this working theory of oxytocin tolerance to men as well? Like the more partners your "captain" has had the less able he is to consider you valuable? Not to sound like a textbook feminist overmuch but I'm curious about this because it's not like affection or that chemical is specific to one gender.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

These are accepted RP theories and I don't come here to debate with people.

[–]En-Zu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ha well let me give it a shot then. This is reddit, after all. What is it for if not for debating?

You have separate standard for men. In your sidebar you call them the "gatekeepers of commitment" like that's what they have to offer women and women "gatekeepers of sex."

So I would assume based on that that there is some kind of standard that you would hold men to where he gives away his commitment too easily to people that don't deserve it (on TRP they call this being BP) so you wouldn't concern yourself so much with a partner's sexual history but I am not sure that there's this kind of lingering archaic stigma attached to having a BP past for men.

Under the same standard a woman who suddenly decides to guard her sexual value (become RPW) would become valuable in the same way that a man would become more valuable when he chooses to guard his commitment potential (become RP). This would be the case regardless of their sexual past.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's nothing personal, I am just strictly on this sub to help women on the RPW journey. I leave the debating up to the other ladies or gents.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I always enjoy your points of view. Yes, you are right about manipulation, its a way of conducting yourself so you reap a desired result. We all do it, and there is a "good" version in which both parties benefit. I might even call that a form of instinct.

[–]Jigglyly 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I love how you relate it to instinct. My Captain often sees through some of my manipulative attempts and gets amusement out of it. In those cases, I explain my reasons and he understands... because it's always for a common goal (often aimed at general well-being within the household) - there is definitely a good way and that's why I dislike thinking about it as manipulation because it implies negativity. :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

True. I am also guilty of associating it with negativity, but it's not always. Unfortunately, we don't remember the good manipulations, only the bad. Why? Because the good manipulation is just regarded as being a 'nice' person, or a pleasant time, and that's why it's successful! The bad kind... ugh... that's what causes baggage, therapy, paranoia, and so many more undesirable BS that people have to deal with, for life!

For women, I believe it comes 100x easier to think in terms of manipulations. That's how girls are, do you see 3 year old boys telling each other:

"If you don't do X I'm not going to be your best friend"

No. It's always girls. And what's funny too, is the responses. The girl on the receiving end of the manipulation might go silent, be pouty, or even say

"Soooo... I won't be your best friend..." (albeit passively).

When a little boy is on the receiving end of the girl's ultimatum, he gets very upset and might cry or tattle on her for the injustice. It's like he's saying "WTF??" Eventually boys learn that line as well, and they all turn into little manipulators! This is why I believe women are good with kids, because they can outwit them without much thought- that is, if they aren't passive or helicopter moms.

In faact...I recently advised to use positive manipulation. The second example is kid friendly. Who says women can't treat men like children? heh

[–]Jigglyly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish I could upvote this more than once. :) That example just happens to fit my situation perfectly. My husband doesn't understand hunger signs quite well and tends to underfeed. Thinking about food for him is one of the ways I try to take care of him. Sadly, he's not one to be won over by good food...and I can't yield results by baking batches of cookies (for example) but he is won over by convenience (not having to think about food - and have it cooked and served in front of him). Children tend to be like that too...they will eat if it is in front of them, and will keep playing until they feel sick from lack of food. "Are you hungry?" "What do you want to eat?" Those questions I ask him everyday :)

[–]Mentathiel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly! It's simply the way we're wired to work with each other. We reinforce desired behaviors in each other so that we would both benefit from the interaction and reap according to our needs. Not only do we instinctively manipulate, we also instinctively respond well to some forms of manipulation. It's the basis of society.

[–]En-Zu 3 points4 points  (3 children)

M[23]. This.

I honestly prefer when my women are a little schemey and intelligent. It makes things more interesting. I laugh at the RP forum sometimes when they harp on female "deception" for things even as benign as make-up when the whole RP subreddit is essentially about modifying yourself.

I want my children to be cunning and artful. As ironic as it is, artifice is natural for humans and those who are better at it succeed. Have a gold. Apologize in advance for any hate-mail you might get for this.

[–]Mentathiel 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh wow, thanks so much for the gold! I'm really glad you've liked my post so much!

I absolutely agree! While keeping secrets from your SO and trying to trick them is unacceptable, being good at managing them, knowing what to say to make them feel better, knowing when they don't need to hear comforting things because they know the truth very well, being able to support them socially on a quick notice, be on good terms with their family, friends, coworkers, being able to get your children to act nicely with positive reinforcement etc. are all very valuable skills and just the other side of the same coin.

As ironic as it is, artifice is natural for humans and those who are better at it succeed.

Heh, never quite phrased it so nicely. I think accepting this should be a great part of TRP. We romanticize ourselves too much.

[–]En-Zu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The illustration I use when talking about this idea with people is that people build personalities and virtues like spiders build webs (especially true for relationships, heh. I wish I could remember this quote but it went something like this. "In love, we seek someone who will believe our lies.")

I liked your post so much because I often struggle with the idea of having "lost my inner self" or smothered it with all my knowledge about how I should act. I struggled with this for a long time but then I realized that you can learn more about a person sometimes from their lies than from their truths anyways. Looking at what people want to be and not just what they are is highly informative and real. And that crafting your personality and tailoring it is just a natural part of the human experience.

Good catch on the Romanticism bit, too. That's where the obsession with authenticity really got cranked up to 11.

[–]Mentathiel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

people build personalities and virtues like spiders build webs

More or less. Sometimes there's a evolutionary loophole that causes us to do things that appear completely altruistic, but are actually just an instinct that isn't useful in that particular situation, but is generally a useful evolutionary mechanism. So selfishness, in that scenario, is expressed in you quenching your own irrational need to do it, not in any more tangible benefit.

Also, sometimes we do things just to convince ourselves that we have the traits we show to other people or to get ourselves into the habit of practicing what we preach. A very important part of the entire process of building a character that earns you what you need is convincing yourself that you're consistent in your principles. Or rather, becoming consistent in your principles. "Holding frame," as guys at TRP would say.

But other than that, yes, we basically build personality-nets to catch people and resources we want.

Good catch on the Romanticism bit, too. That's where the obsession with authenticity really got cranked up to 11.

Yes, this is literally uncomfortable for me to write out. Just this entire discussion. I feel the hamster trying to tell me how I'm somehow special nonetheless. I feel like I can think about this logically, but I'll never be able to internalize it. And I'm probably not supposed to, I function better without it. But it's interesting to ponder.

[–]Fridaylife 5 points6 points  (6 children)

I try to relate the Captain/First Mate concept to people in terms of a teams of groups that people can relate to in their business or school settings. In a group, you all bring different strengths and ideas to the table, but without a clear leader or project manager, the team has no direction, and will have no productivity. The engineer's ideas and input is just as important as the accountant's but they bring different perspectives and priorities to the table with an overarching goal to make the whole project a success. This is the same with the Captain/First mate dynamic. Both have goals, strengths, ideas, and the combination of the two should be used for a successful life. Without leadership though, the goal of a successful life gets lost in the individuals priorities and the team ceases to work together. The liberal feminist tells women that we shouldn't be a part of a team, that we need to focus on our goals only which is absurd when you're looking to raise a family and have a successful life. They are all about "it takes a village" which implies the need for compromise and cooperation, but for some reason they can't see that you have to take that attitude of being a supportive part of a team to a relationship. So I guess I am encouraging a "team woman" attitude, because it's been the only way I can explain to people why I value this mindset. There have been some many women raised with a super selfish mentality that it's going to take some women a long time to get to the point where they see how riding the CC and being so selfish will ultimately leave them very unhappy. Some women don't ever make the connection and wonder why they're so unhappy and why all their relationships fail. Wherever women are when they figure out how to actually see value in themselves and value their relationships, they should be encouraged. Not brought down and condemned to a life of unhappiness and dysfunction.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

we need to focus on our goals only which is absurd when you're looking to raise a family and have a successful life.

Well said! When I said "team women" I more meant the way the feminists mean it, all the "you go girl! You don't need a man!" Type stuff. But as far as encouraging and building up women to their full potential here, I will absolutely say, "you go girl!" Lol.

Wherever women are when they figure out how to actually see value in themselves and value their relationships, they should be encouraged. Not brought down and condemned to a life of unhappiness and dysfunction.

Totally agree. If we were as stringent about accepting users as some of the posters would like us to be, I know many of us wouldn't be here. Probably all the mods and EC's wouldn't be here. I give great advice (not to toot my own horn) because of the faults I've had and the mistakes I've made. I wouldn't be very good at giving advice if I lived the picture perfect life no flaws! How can anyone relate to someone like that?

[–]Fridaylife 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"I wouldn't be very good at giving advice if I lived the picture perfect life no flaws! How can anyone relate to someone like that?"

People learn more from making mistakes and can identify where the mistakes were made to help other people from making them. It sucks to make the mistakes, but people can learn and grow from them. Reading TRP women, it seems that there is a lot of encouragement for bettering yourself to find a mate and to create and maintain a successful relationship. It's the same concept. We are one way, or we did things one way, and it didn't work, so we improve, we learn and we grow to make things work.

I've definitely made mistakes in my past, and I've learned from them, and try to share them with the younger women in my life to help them avoid my mistakes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! We all have something to share that others can learn.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I like this post, Sadie. Very heartfelt.

If we were as stringent about accepting users as some of the posters would like us to be, I know many of us wouldn't be here. Probably all the mods and EC's wouldn't be here.

I'd also like to add because this hasn't come up, that I really like that the new RPW Endorsed Contributors still post for help and ask questions. We are all a work in progress. Just because we have pretty flair doesn't mean we have all the answers! I know I sometimes stumble, and question (maybe too much lol).

[–]FriedHayek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never been there, but Anonymous Alchoholics say that those who succeed with quitting alcohol, they're the one's who try to help other with theirs.

Those who merely focus on their own, they fail much much more than those who help.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also true and I like that too! We are all at different points in our journey but we are all still making it and can run into problems.

[–]Equilibriun 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Regardless if you are an old slut trying to reel in a BB or not, two things.

  1. This sub isn't for the butthurt user who decided to tell you that. Really, this sub is just as much for him as TRP is for women. It's not.

  2. If some guy decides to continue dating the old slut, regardless of the past knowledge of said sluts sexcapades, that's his choice. We can't save them all. And I don't want to either. Let them take them off the market. It's none of your business, and helps you in the end.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both excellent points. I don't understand why some men feel the need to save all the men. Some of them would outright reject TRP if they'd heard of it.

[–]sharontravels 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is really well written and I am thankful that every woman is welcomed. A big part of why my life became a mess was because I didn't have any female role models. The great part of this community is the fact there are ROLE MODELS.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much! I love that there is a whole community of like minded women and we can come and bounce ideas and problems off of each other.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Women are women. Men are men. Men on Redpill talk about how to pick up girls for casual sex, so why wouldn't women on here talk about how to pick up a BB when you need one?

That's kinda how it works. Both sides should understand and respect the nature of the beast. Don't hate the player; hate the game. If an older woman picks up a BB and manipulates him, it is his own fault for letting her. He needs to wake up.

This sub is just as much for a woman on the carousel as it is for a woman looking for a nest, just as TRP is for guys who are looking to hook up with numerous women or establish a healthy relationship. Goose. Gander. Or whatever analogy is most appropriate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If RPW is a coin, the old sluts looking for BB is the ugly side of said coin, that's for sure. Do I want women coming here specifically to manipulate some poor sap? Of course not. I'm sure there's some lurkers who do but do I assume that all of the ladies over 25 here are doing that? Of course not! That's ludicrous.

Sexual strategy is definitely a game and unfortunately some women choose to play dirty, same as some men. But that doesn't mean all of us are. Very well said!

[–]swift_phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, it is a fault of the game. If you make the weapon of a post wall women strong the opposite effect over time will happen in society.

Let's play a thought experiment for fun!

TL:DR Women who look to use RPW to secure a BB, in the longer hurt RPW looking to find a men that can be a father and provider.

We have 100 women and me distributed normally by age. On both ends of the extreme and slight extremes we have people not participating in the SMP.

Now, the question become where is the "Average" age for men and women? That will determine the frequency/number/total in each standard deviation for the ages? Well, from quick google search I did not find a strong consensus. However, what is known that women have longer life spans than men. As a result, the average age of women will be higher than men.

So far in establishing our thought experiment that that -1.5 & 1.5 standard deviations from the average are participating in the SMP and that women are on average older than men due to increase life expectancy. We are dealing with 87% percent of population interacting in the SMP. But the issue is that within this 87% the ages are normal distributed around the average.

Why do these two factor truly matter when dealing with the post wall women learning the RPW to secure a BB for future security? The issue is in average between men and women, and women's biological clocks. On this forum and TRP the statistics are well known for divorce rates and monetary rap. Connecting to the values above, the number of suitable BB that have finances that are able to support a post wall women are less than 50%.

Next, we are pairing post wall women with BB that in number are less than 50%. If the market does not produce enough BB then post wall women will not be able to secure a BB. Given the rate of divorce rape and the rise of MGTOW, TRP, and MRAs suggests that BB are opting out of the SMP or to become Chads. Driving the number of available BB down. As discussed here, Chads make HORRIBLE fathers.

What we have arrived to the father sexual market (FSM). The FSM is vital to successful reproductive success of women. I would guess in the coming years the FSM will be around 10-18% of men in the SMP willing to go through with this lifestyle. My reason is that in Japan, men above 30 are not in the SMV or FSM. Last year Milo wrote about the same thing beginning to happen in the UK.

Now, we need to look at women. On average, the age is higher thus closer to the wall than compared to their male peers. Also, post wall women are looking for BB to secure their needs. Around the average, at least 25% are at the wall, and more are past. Now, we see a clear difference in percentages.

Now back the weaponizing the RPW for a cunning women to pick up a BB. If the divorce trend continues that half of these men will have their lives ruined. Half of those will awake and become Chad or promote a MGTOW lifestyle for the younger generation. Look at population Manosphere webpages, this has arrived ladies. The results are the number of available men within FSM is going down and BB in SMP is going down too. In this scenario, overall its not men that are hurt, but women. Men who want to be father and can afford the cost of surrogacy are starting to further decreasing the size of the FSM.

Ok, so why did you talk about normal distribution and relative percentages? Society as whole is pretty normal due to the large sample size, ~ 5 Billion people globally and ~ 300+ million for US. As an applications engineering, if I had sample sizes this big my job would be so easy. With, values this big what matters is relative percents to one another to determine overall trends. If you try to analyze on a micro perspective the conclusions will be useless because you cannot control every link. Thus on a macro scale NOT controlling for every link through relative percentages you can give meaningful trends.

[–]rprollerEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beautifully written :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I truly believe in this journey, I know it has changed my life and marriage for the absolute better. I certainly wish I had found it earlier in my 20's than I did, but the point is, I did indeed find the Red Pill. This journey, this mind set, this lifestyle, this praxeology, is a truly indispensable thing to integrate into your life and a cause I very strongly believe in.

Very well said!

[–]trapped_in_a_box 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It seems to me (and maybe I'm wrong) that his comment could be flipped to say that the men's RP subs should ONLY be for men who are alpha and want to pick up their game, not for beta boys who want to unlearn their current ways and pick up more alpha traits.

We all make mistakes in our lives - I'm definitely one of the sinners who is here to be saved - and I know I'll never catch one of the top-of-the-line alpha men that the younger girls who haven't had issues likely will. I'm okay with that. I just want to make my current relationship better and unlearn the negative habits I cultivated in my 20's.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The script could very easily be flipped to say the same thing about the men, I quite agree. This particular poster didn't want to see that, and some of the other posters who come here and have a negative vibe seem to miss out on that point as well.

[–]ayvyns 0 points1 point  (2 children)

old sluts how to reel in a BB

Well even if that were true, isn't that the whole point of red pill, that men and women have conflicting goals? Of course he's not going to agree with us here, the same way we're going to find their "pump and dump" rhetoric distasteful

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

A very good point. Just because a few of us may find the way someone uses our knowledge distasteful doesn't make the knowledge less valuable.

[–]ayvyns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it a weak and pathetic complaint personally. Oh no, rpw isn't doing what I want

[–]bro_before_ho 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My SO and I are both women and we both read the sub. I don't think I'd have much advice applicable to most readers but we both find a lot of useful stuff here. While obviously things like traditional gender roles have no place in our relationship, pretty much everything else does or can be tailored to fit our unique situation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lessons are still certainly applicable! I'm interested in the dynamic of your relationship actually.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I find the tone in your comment confusing. Half of it could be sarcastic but the other half doesn't seem like it. At any rate, RP is, at its core, about sexual strategy. So most of the posts and the theory is going to be about attracting the opposite sex.

This post in particular was in reaction to the negativity I have seen as of late on this sub towards women who are genuinely trying to better themselves and a few men who are not quite over their anger phase and taking it out on us. It was meant to shed light on this circumstance as well as to reassure all ladies regardless of partner count or age that if they want to be better and learn a better way, they belong here. My post was not meant to be a blanket statement for the entire ideology of RPW.

I hope that clears up some of your confusion. For the record, I am not looking to change your mind about RPW. I am only looking to respond to your question as others may also have it. So if you're looking for someone to verbally spar with your or debate about this subject, it will not be me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Can you be more specific about instances of "negativity towards women who are trying to better themselves?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Mm that's as specific as I care to be. There's no way for me to know if certain posters still come here or are banned and I don't want to deal with potential backlash. Safe to say, I think we all know what negativity looks like when we see it.

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    [–]LuckyLittleStarModerator | Lil'Star[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    if you really believe RPW is about showing unenlightened women the error of their ways and making them better women, will you attempt to address my questions and convince me of why I'm wrong? Will you do that? Or will you just remove my comment and ban me?

    I will not try to convince you are wrong, because RPW is not a debate sub. There are other subs for that. However, if you would like to see how RPW feels about topics regarding:

    how to be a better mother

    how to serve your community

    how to make the world a fairer and less hostile place for our sons and the men we love

    how to cook better

    You are more then welcome to make posts on these topics and see if they get removed. We would love to see more posts on these topics, so please feel welcome to fill our community with these great contribution ideas!

    [–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    As we say on TRP: Don't complain about what's being posted/not posted; write and post the content you want to see.

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    Picklesnsunshine2 submitted posts

    There doesn't seem to be anything here

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well Ok then. I will.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's hypocritical for the vanilla red pill to criticize for that purpose. They themselves hold multiple strategies for individuals. Whether for pickup artists, short term relationships, or marriage - it encompasses all. So then why wouldn't the WRP be any different?