94
95

DISCUSSIONBeing redpill and being black (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by Jikira

I grew up as a young african american women. I had a dad and mom who were both heavily involved in my life. My mom made sure I only went to private school and my dad made sure I could cook and clean. However, my parents did not have a good marriage. Like most black women, my mom was taught to disrespectful towards men. They were taught that men were useless and dumb. My mom would yell, beat, and put my dad down at any opportunity that she had. My Dad side of the family wasn't better, he was raised in a women dominated family. The women brought home most of the money and put down the men constantly. The only thing men are good for is reproduction was my grandmother favorite thing to say. That was how I saw marriage, but even when I was young I thought this isn't right. I saw how sad my mom made my dad. By the time I got into middle school my mom started to change she started encourage my dad and as a result he slowly went from being a beta to being more alpha. However, she was never able to let go of the idea that is instilled in so many women of the black community. At that time, I decided that I would not treat the men in my family like the women did.

Then I came across an article Five reason to not date a black girl. As I read through this list I was not offending at all because this wasn't me. I was never loud, or rude, or a man hater, and I was definitely not sleeping around. For once in my life the traits I held so deeply ingrained in myself was actually praised. In high school, everyone made fun of me for having a soft disposition. I never tried to be one of the guys I could sew, cook, and dress myself up. though I was never the super girly type I valued my feminine traits. Something that is really frowned upon in the black community. My own father told me he hated how submissive I was to my boyfriend.

I just wanted to share this because, I have grown so much since discovering Redpill in high school. I am in a committed relationship and wouldn't have been if I had held on to the ideas of my community. In addition if it wasn't for Redpill reaffirming my thoughts I might have become just another stereotype.

tldr: Thank you! For reaffirming my ideas about male and female dynamics. Especially since I was raised in a community that look down on women who are submissive.


[–]disgruntledearthling 29 points30 points  (8 children)

You sound like a great person, regardless of your color.

My current gf is just like you in this regard. It may be a consequence of a traditional African upbringing or not - her older sister is just like the others you describe.

I'm white and much older than she is but we get along great and even discuss RP subjects from time-to-time. In her opinion, finding a suitable mate in her age group and ethnic background is a challenge.

[–][deleted]  (6 children)

[deleted]

    [–]NeoWhimsical 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Do you get a commission for being offened? OP was the one who brought up her race.

    [–]apollosapien 16 points17 points  (4 children)

    Her post explicitly mentions the stigma her relationship dynamic receives from the black community, which planted some doubt in her mind. No need to be offended.

    [–]juneburger 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    You're so articulate for a black guy!

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

    [deleted]

      [–]apollosapien 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      lol okay

      [–]md8716 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      I know exactly what you mean (black male here), and there are countless others that feel the same way as you. Unfortunately, it's not popular to talk about in our community, unless it's in a religious context.

      But, you don't need to talk about it (most people would just criticize your beliefs and argue), you just need to be about it. Lead by example, and let your happiness and success in life and relationships speak for itself.

      And, finally, I challenge you to reach out and be a mentor to young women like yourself who are growing up without a good informal role model to emulate.

      [–]Jikira[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      I totally agree with you and I don't talk about this especially to other black females because they honestly jumped down my throat. I used to actually be a debutante and go around teaching girls how to embrace their femininity(mostly those in the black community). Now that I am a senior in college I lead by example. Every time someone ask me what it is that I do. I tell them. :)

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's unfortunate women can't collectively come together and discuss issues intelligently and with thoughtful discussion. When men talk about issues, we are generally receptive or AT LEAST open to differing viewpoints. Men usually go in hardcore on each other. It's how we improve ourselves and each other. Every now and then we have to write someone off because they just can't be helped. It's unfortunate, but necessary. Some people have a hard time with the truth and must suffer through an experience to get the lesson. Wise people learn from others' mistakes.

      As you grow in life-experience, you will know when to pick your battles. Notably, the same women who give you grief will be the same women lamenting the dearth of good men later in life. High Value Men neither have the time nor patience for nonsense with women. They get grief and problems from everywhere else. They will not tolerate nonsense at home.

      At one point in time (a long time ago) it was WOMEN who kept other women in check, but sadly we have lost that control metric in the modern era. I felt compelled to call out a commenter who dismissed your experiences.

      Discuss and inform for those who are receptive. Keep leading by example.

      [–]clemangerine 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      I work with young African-American girls from inner cities. Various personalities but the more soft spoken ones, the ones whose default disposition isn't to be on defense and act like boys, get drowned out by the girls who are their opposites. To each her own but I wish there was more diversity in rolemodels for these girls. Music/hiphop culture is a huge influence. Remember Corinne Bailey Raye? If more musicians like her could breakout than which ever sexed up diva is mainstream right now.

      You are a very strong individual to not give in to peer pressure from your culture, to be in some ways, an outlier.

      [–]Lucretia99 14 points15 points  (4 children)

      I'm a white girl that likes "black girl movies." I recently watched the movie Soul Food, have you seen it? Kinda old, from 1997. I watched it for the first time after becoming "red pilled" and noticed a few RP values in it. Mainly the one where the youngest sister goes behind her new husband's back to pull strings and get him a job by her ex-bf, and he finds out and loses his shit. Then her sister tells her, "You gotta let your man be a man! A man has nothing without his dignity!" I don't know the whole quote, but basically she was schooling her younger sister because she knew how to be with her man, and this was coming from the one sister who's marriage was in a good place. She was a SAHM and her man ran the ship, she was happy.

      I just thought based on some of the "black" movies I've seen, the culture would be a little more RP than others, but maybe I'm wrong? I'm sorry to hear of your experience, but good on you to recognize that it doesn't help at all and you're making the strides to improvement :)

      [–]Jikira[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      No, I haven't I will check it out . But I agree a lot of the movies are Redpill because they are written by men. Just food for thought, but I would even say a majority of the movie are this way because it is such a bad problem in the black community. The only way a man could possibly voice this issue is through a movie.

      [–]Lucretia99 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      The only way a man could possibly voice this issue is through a movie.

      I find that very interesting.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      As an artist/musician I gotta say art has always been the medium for expressing no no thought crimes

      [–]Breatheinprawna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Soul food is so good! They have books too, and other movies. Super neat.

      [–]Breatheinprawna 14 points15 points  (10 children)

      Yes! Being black and believing in these values is crucial! I was not taught to hate men, but definitely heard an undertone to alot of conversations. Especially growing up. And people assume since you're black we all have to be stereotypical and loud. Which is not true. Some black people want to victimize themselves in any situation. Throw that in with feminism, it's a freaking sad show! I have never dated a black man, so I never got to "act" out internalized subconscious bad behavior. But I'm a waitress, the restaurants customer demographic is mainly married older couples. Anyways, I literally get complimented on my mannerisms and how I speak to people. I have random people appreciate the way I am. And that was an eye opener. Just keep doing you, and keeping being feminine sacred (:

      [–]Jikira[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children)

      Yeah, my dad's family were pretty extreme about it, but the undertone is all too real. From church to school to home, i would hear women talking down or just being disrespectful to their husbands.

      [–]the_fat_whisperer 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      Out of genuine interest in your post, why do you think this is prevalent or more prevalent in the black community?

      [–]Jikira[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

      I believe that at the core all communities have issues no matter the race, gender, religion, or socioeconomic standing. This issues I believe can be changed if we talked about it and lead others to understand. Hence, why I love redpillwomen, because we understand that women have issues that need to be addressed and fix. Similarly, I believe that every race has their own particular issues. As a result, of me being african american I can only comment of what I seen within my own community. I don't necessarily believe that these issues are more prevalent in the black community. However, I do believe that they are prevalent because we deny any issue that are about us. We will complain about the whites, complain about racism, and complain about how everything is against us. Yet, the moment somebody says something bad about us, there racist, or they can't really be black. We need to stop playing the victim card and realize we have issues just as much as the next person.

      [–]the_fat_whisperer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      This does hit home with me. My dad was grew up in a very poor Native American family and experienced a lot of the racism the American Bible belt is known for during the 50's and 60's. He rose above it and became a surgeon while serving in the military and doesn't hold grievances against white people in the same way as his family had (and even married a white person to his family's dismay). He sort of has a "knowledge is power" mantra and is particularly critical of the Native American culture because he feels they have historically discouraged higher education and as a result are some of the poorest people in America with some reservation resembling third world poverty. He was the first person in his family lineage to graduate high school.

      [–]Jikira[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      This is a great story! My dad is from the caribbean and my mom is from good ole' texas. They both grew up poor, but they also were both outliers. My mom and dad valued education even though nobody in our family had any. Some of my parents issues stemmed from them not being able to completely break free of the ideology that they grew up in. Yet, if it wasn't for there mistakes I would not be graduating college with a degree in chinese and computer science. To think how different our lives would be if our parents didn't decide to break the pattern that was set generations before them.

      [–]the_fat_whisperer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      no kidding, and thats great! I am also in school for a CS degree and everyone else in my family (all older) have a bachelor's degree or higher. My dad is an interesting person because he sort of went from rags to richest as surgeon back to rags due to a failed business, got his law degree, and is now doing ok. He is still married to my mom who has her Master's but he isn't practicing law or anything. One thing he did always say was that no one can take a degree from you. Even if society doesn't value you, they will value your knowledge (part of his "knowledge is power" mantra).

      [–]Jikira[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yes! CS is literally the best. Your dad sounds really cool.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The only difference between black and any other communities when it comes to this is the "flavor" it's expressed in.

      White girls wont be as bold but they're just as bad with the emasculation thing

      [–]juneburger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      All black women must be this way too.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      I enjoyed reading your story. I want to offer a few comments that you might find helpful about one particular aspect of it.

      Then I came across an article Five reason to not date a black girl. As I read through this list I was not offending at all because this wasn't me.

      The article I assume you're referring to is from Return to Kings that was something along the lines of "five reasons I no longer date black women." This is important because Return of Kings is essentially a clickbait site designed to make ad money and sell whatever books and other products they can shill there. Very few, if any, people who really understand TRP from the male side give any value to virtually anything found there because of what it is.

      I thought I'd share that. I'm glad that you're finding happiness through the RP.

      [–]honeyfern 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      I'm glad you wrote more in-dept about your challenges as a RPW. This will be very beneficial for new-comers :)

      [–]Jikira[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Well thank-you so much your post made me realize I should post about it. I hadn't really thought about it until today, but it was kinda of fun to think about how I got to this point.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I am so so very sorry that you have to deal with racists. I'm glad you're happy with who you are and how you've chosen to live your life.

      [–]LawyerInTheMaking 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      I'm not black (I'm brown) but I appreciate you saying this on behalf of my black guy friends who are moving the right way. The stay out of trouble, they are getting in shape, and chasing that paper. But they don't want to date black women because of certain issues and these issues are common to them when they tried to date black women. The two biggest issues are the attitude and single motherhood. If they are good brothers then why should they deal with the negative attitude. Single motherhood has its own issues in itself. My guy friends don't want to deal with the drama that comes with dating a single mother nor do they want to raise "Rodney's baby" as they like to say (my friends don't have any kids out of wedlock). Just like good black men, good black women who are moving right and doing things the right way are not a dime a dozen. It is y'all who should be the ones getting together and building strong relationships and families. In a bigger context I think that it would also go a long way to address some of the issues that the black community faces.

      [–]Abelstark2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Nice

      [–]pinkdrawings 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I'm very glad you found your way through this tough situation! I'm happy to see another WOC around here!

      [–]SouthernAthenaEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Good for you! Glad you found us.

      [–]jameshergott 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I created a video response for you! https://youtu.be/AWBxkjftsmg let me know what you think and if any of you have any questions where you want a man's perspective..

      [–]throwawayklutch 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I'm mixed race with a black mother and I identify as black. I didn't always see the "strong black woman" dynamic, but it was definitely there. I was always told to stop being shy, quiet, and sensitive. I tried really hard to not be, but my true self always came through. It's always tough to read articles that put black women down because of the stereotype, and I always have to realize that stereotypes are just that. And of course, some of us are the stereotype, but not all. I love being a woman of color and being feminine, and no one can take that from me.

      [–]Jikira[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Truuu.

      [–]throwawayklutch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      if your tag is accurate, I just turned 19, so we are close in age. I'm also in a committed relationship, and I agree that I wouldn't be if I acted like some of my family members or other black women that I know

      [–]CallMeObadiah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It would be very curious if you grew up as an old African American woman

      [–]juneburger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      It would be more curious if OP was an actual black woman.

      [–]juneburger 6 points7 points  (35 children)

      Black woman here.

      I really don't like the fact that you actually think that most black women have been taught to hate and disrespect men. This is NOT true and not the case for me or my black female friends. I suppose we were raised differently as is the case for each person on this website.

      I'm saying this to say--your own stereotype of yourself and how you are perceived is how you will likely behave. Stop spreading this misinformation. Stop making it true for yourself and other black people.

      To go on, you're far too worried about what people think of you. What do you think about yourself? Do you like how you view your partner and how you treat them? What do you think you can do to vet better? Are your friends likeminded and supportive?

      Start there. Stay general and stop bringing what others think you should be to the table. If this is what you've been taught, then change your attitude and change your environment.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 11 points12 points  (22 children)

      Without getting into too much detail and citing facts - the OP has a point regarding the ongoing narrative relating and describing Black Male-Female interpersonal relationships. I get that you don't want others (and by others I mean non-Blacks) to have a negative perception of Blacks in general, but the state of the Black Community has been noted by many people with examples including the current President of the United States (POTUS) to open discussions at the local laundromat and everywhere/everyone in between. It was actually embarrassing the way POTUS described Blacks during the election campaign as if there is no existence of middle class, professional, and upwardly mobile Blacks. As if he even cares....but he was primarily referring to the smaller percentage who perpetuate the negativity and buffoonery.

      Social Media, the internet, television, movies, magazines, and newspapers have done an OUTSTANDING job of focusing and highlighting negatives among Blacks and diminishing the positives. Intelligent folks know there are good and bad in EVERY racial/ethnic group. For evidence of what OP is describing, most people would refer you to almost any nearest predominantly Black urban area and note the associated problems.

      To state there is no basis for OP's statement is disingenuous and disregarding the bigger and glaring issues clearly visible to intelligent Blacks and everyone else. You, your family, and your social circle may be the exception to the rule, but the exception doesn't disprove the rule.

      I really don't like the fact that you actually think that most black women have been taught to hate and disrespect men. What you like/don't like versus what is true/based in truth are entirely different matters. To ignore an issue does not mean it doesn't exist. OP clearly describes her life experience and noted she is different from the normally negatively perceived stereotypes.

      For better perspective you might want to engage serious conversation with upwardly mobile, professional, and hardworking Black men. It is these men who have the most trouble with the women available to them from their own group.

      [–]juneburger 5 points6 points  (21 children)

      Wow. Tell me more about my experiences as a black woman.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 8 points9 points  (11 children)

      Madam/Miss - I CANNOT tell you about YOUR Black Woman experiences as I was NOT present while you were "experiencing them." However, I see your tone and recognize the VERY point OP is referencing as you criticized her from the start...and in a manner similar/consistent to other women who fit her description. As a result she barely discusses these issues, when in fact it is THESE issues we should be discussing and working toward resolution. You are terse, short, and dismissive of those with differing opinions and count them as trolls. Notably, the OP has a three-year Reddit History discussing different and/or related topics. Even worse you have a "co-signer" who supports you and offered some, but little useful information (HeyDontAskMe2). She offered her experience (which no demeaned by the way) and then added "...slavery, but anyway." This says nothing, EXPLAINS nothing, helps no one, and fails to address problems.

      Red Pill Women branched from The Red Pill Subreddit as an alternative that "ALL Women are Like That" (AWALT) with the intent there are some good women who TRULY want to be great compliments (exceptional wives, mothers, and positive examples) to a great, loyal, loving, supportive, and honorable High Value Man. On TRP (Men) there is an overwhelming belief there is no such thing as a "Red Pill Woman." They posit the vast majority of women are offering cheap, easy, and available sex to the "Bad Boys" and look for good men to accept them AND their emotional problems and baggage (kids, financial debt, obesity, negative attitude) when Bad Boys/Pretty Boys are no longer interested. They use current conditions to get sex from women by exerting the LEAST effort possible. In short, these guys take advantage of Sexual Market Conditions to get easy sex from highly promiscuous women, while many other good men are refusing to engage women on ANY basis. It is women, children, and the elderly who suffer when a country's best men REFUSE to engage in building a family, home, community, cities, and the nation.

      We could all likely agree stereotypes are bad and in many cases mostly exaggerated. However, some of the worst numbers/statistics relating the Black Community are as follows:

      73% Out of Wedlock (OOW) births 13% of the U.S. population, committing the vast majority of crimes (males mostly at 52% rate) Almost 50% of Black Women carry Herpes Virus HIV Infection Rate - Highest of ALL other groups 30%+ of Black males in prison/processed in the penal system Highest unemployment rate of ALL other groups 70% obesity rate in Black Men 80% obesity rate in Black Women California...just ONE state - 3 of 4 Black Boys below reading level Lowest high school graduation-rate out of ALL other ethnic groups Lowest social-economic wealth of ALL other groups

      Most of these stats are confirmed via the Center for Disease Control (CDC), the Pew Research Center, Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and website: Black Demographics. There's more and it just doesn't get better. It's sad and embarrassing, but mostly ruining our group.

      We ALL see the narratives regarding Black Men. That narrative is true for SOME, but not the majority Black Men. Even hardworking, productive, and decent Black Men have difficulty overcoming the stereotype...and that's JUST the males.

      The bad news is Blacks are "the Canary in the Coal Mine." "When Black America has the flu, White America has a cold." Whites, Latinos, and other groups have same/similar problems, but the numbers are not as bad. The Opioid Epidemic mostly affects whites with the federal government spending almost 80 BILLION dollars toward stopping this problem. There was MUCH less effort toward the 80's/90's Era Crack Epidemic in Black America. Urban areas are virtually de facto "war zones." (Chicago, Detroit, parts of New York, New Orleans, and various cities in California and other states). White people don't want this problem in the suburbs.

      There's even a Latina (on this thread) stating a corrective action: Just like good black men, good black women who are moving right and doing things the right way are not a dime a dozen. It is y'all who should be the ones getting together and building strong relationships and families. She acknowledges and offers SOLUTIONS. Another male commenter (on this thread) reinforces there is indeed a problem. Blacks SHOULD be and are capable of solving our issues...but do we WANT to...?

      It doesn't matter the OP's experiences are not yours/similar. The statistics, stereotypes affect you just the same. Ask any Black Man or Woman who has ever been stopped because they "fit the stereotype."

      So yes...there's a problem - lots of them. NOT discussing and dismissing these issues won't solve the problem. Your actions are predictable. Ridicule, smarmy responses, and deflection are NOT a solution.

      [–]juneburger 4 points5 points  (9 children)

      You've defined me. Thank you for your insight, albeit absurdly incorrect and uninformed.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 4 points5 points  (8 children)

      I gave you facts. You're missing the point....again.

      [–]juneburger 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      Facts? Ok. This would be an excellent time to quote some statistics on black illiteracy!

      [–]apollosapien 6 points7 points  (6 children)

      He isn't looking to demean you, he's literally chiming in with his own opinion. Ease up.

      [–]juneburger 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Opinion? No. Those are facts according to him. So I won't be able to ease up. But thanks for trying to manage my behavior! I appreciate it.

      [–]apollosapien 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      He cited statistics to support what he's talking about, so you're right. I don't know why you're so taken aback by the fact our people are in dire straits when it's true.

      [–]Abelstark2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is golden 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

      [–]NeoWhimsical 2 points3 points  (8 children)

      The irony

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Curious...The irony Please explain...

      [–]juneburger -1 points0 points  (6 children)

      So ironic.

      [–]CleburnCO 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      When 6.5% of the population is responsible for 52% of the murders and almost 70% of the violent crimes against people...as well as a massive % of the rapes...people are going to notice and talk.

      The OP is correct. That's a culture problem, not a race problem. You can argue that the two are linked but that's a whole other topic.

      Until we all address that reality...that there is some full on broken culture there...nothing will improve.

      [–]juneburger 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Did the culture come about organically. Out of nothing. For no reason?

      [–]CleburnCO 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Does refusing to accept personal responsibility for behavior solve the issue?

      [–]juneburger 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      How do you learn how to accept personal responsibility and present it in a manner that pleases the majority?

      [–]CleburnCO 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      From your dad.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (11 children)

      I was not taught to hate men (I'm black from a two parent, still married household) but a lot of men I come across assume that I was and that I don't need them etc. It's draining and frustrating. I appreciate your post because the main post did come off like you said. We are not all like that and I don't know anyone like that. (Reddit is too full of racists for posts like that imo ijs. Their minds are already made up, let's not help.)

      Every married woman I know is the opposite, they let their husbands be men and respect them at least in front of others. None of my peers are described in the articles you'll read about not why not to date black women either. The black boyfriends of my friends of other races look at me in awe as if they expected me to be belligerent etc. Too many stereotypes taken as truth. It's a lot deeper than all of this but I digress. The short answer is slavery, but anyway. This is the most racist soc med platform I've ever been on so I thought I'd say my piece. Peace.

      [–]juneburger 10 points11 points  (10 children)

      Thanks for adding this. I don't believe OP is an actual black woman tbh. I've been to enough racist subs to see when the trolls are out. I'm not going to waste any additional time feeding them.

      [–]zimtkuss 4 points5 points  (9 children)

      I didn't respond to this thread for that exact reason. I was NOT taught to hate men, am black, am from a married two-parent household, and quite frankly only grew up around the same and I encounter people from similar homes regularly.

      I have to say I think there are more class issues involved in marital dynamics than anything else, and class across cuts all races. And I always give a post the side eye if they can confidently say "Everyone of my race does XYZ."

      [–]juneburger 1 point2 points  (8 children)

      Some poster here really went in on me quoting "facts" and statistics apparently to show me the plight of the black race.

      I too saw the 13 documentary.

      When you look at someone (or yourself) as a statistic, you don't even give them a chance.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 4 points5 points  (7 children)

      Ma'am - Black people are not statistics. I cite facts as most intellectual and intelligent folks do...because FACTS. DON'T. LIE. It's the ONLY way to prove a point/engage debate/discussion without conjecture, speculation, and/or express information based in "feelings" or experiences.

      We are people first and foremost, but have been treated as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Class citizens in our OWN country - a country OUR ancestors helped build (so much so) in that the United States of America is recognized as one of the BEST, if not best countries in the world and considered a "Shining Beacon on the Hill" and positive example to the rest of the world.

      Blacks in the U.S. have been treated disparately unequal since the early 17th Century. DESPITE ending slavery, DESPITE ending legalized racism and segregation, we as a group are still treated unequally. If you have a great life and racism doesn't affect you - wonderful. I submit, however, the signs of inequality among the races are all around us. Example - Black Man/White Man get arrested for essentially committing the SAME crime...statistics and empirical evidence reflect the Black Man will receive more severe and harsh punishment. I won't bore you with more statistics as you and others are capable of your own research.

      Despite having done well in areas of education, the sciences, politics, finance, entertainment, sports, and culture (to name a few), Black people are almost always viewed AND portrayed as the worst group in the U.S. and regarded as contributing very little to the nation's development. The current state of the Black Community [if you can call it "a community] is such that virtually NO ONE takes us seriously and pushes our issues further down the list to prioritize OTHER groups who have in no way contributed more to this country.

      You are as predictable as the OP says. You deny, respond emotionally, and refuse to see the evidence in front of you. It's OK. Many people behave this way and unfortunately those trying to educate and inform are ridiculed, ignored, or disparaged. It's frustrating and exhausting. Some have given up and have stopped trying to help. Even worse...they are minimized, the worst of our group is highlighted and even elevated over our best producers.

      It's nice you viewed one or two documentaries. You may have even read a book, but INACTION SOLVES NOTHING and CHANGES NOTHING. Black folks steady "taking L's." A lot of "woke" folks out here tweeting and posting, but not translating words into action. That...that right there...doesn't make them bad people, but just slightly better than the folks/groups/organizations against Blacks since "our arrival" centuries ago.

      The Blacks who acknowledge our situation are fighting a long, slow, and losing battle. Solutions and recommendations are simple...really: Acknowledge [Issues], Educate, Inform, Take Corrective Action, Improve, Sustain Improvement, and Inform/Educate Others and Subsequent Generations. Repeat the cycle...and that's just off the top of my head. That's how we get better. That's how we go from laughingstock to RESPECT and admiration. A lot of "woke people" still asleep. YOU are not helping. I challenge you to do better/BE better informed. The Red Pill...really? You're not ready... -End Rant

      [–]juneburger 2 points3 points  (6 children)

      I really wasn't talking to you. I'm sure what you have to say is important to you. I'm sure you have a great perspective with no bias. When I said move along earlier, I meant that. Move along to someone who is not living in the skin you study.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      ...doesn't matter. You're on the internet and commenting on an open thread. Lest you forget...you ATTACKED the Original Poster, wrote others off as trolls, and added ZERO to LITTLE VALUE to the discussion. I get it…you’re accustomed to conversation/validation from supplicating and agreeable men.

      See your following statements:

      I really don't like the fact that you actually think that most black women have been taught to hate and disrespect men. This is NOT true and not the case for me or my black female friends. I suppose we were raised differently as is the case for each person on this website. The insinuation is that your upbringing is superior and she had inferior parental development.

      If this is what you've been taught, then change your attitude and change your environment.

      Do you even implement/listen to your OWN advice?

      Bottom line - you have no rebuttal. That's the real issue. I am looking for a counterpoint to ANYTHING that addresses previous postings. Do your best. This is an excellent conversation and learning opportunity/teachable moment. Have you LEARNED anything or are you just here to "insult and run?"

      What I write IS important. It's recognizing a problem/problems, offering solutions, working toward resolution, and learning from others. Or is YOUR opinion or experience the only one that matters?

      You and women like you are an excellent Case Study. You walk in, make a pithy or "seemingly witty" statement, stir up a Hornet's Nest, and fail to take responsibility for statements or the resulting fallout. VERY Predictable. You are no better than the women who are messing up the dating/mating paradigm for OTHER, respectful, cooperative, and understanding women. Men do this also, but many get called on it right away and learn something valuable as a takeaway. They USUALLY become better people. Mostly everyone here is TRYING to learn something, share an experience that may be helpful to others, analyze a varying or different perspective, adding value to the forum, or satisfying curiosity. Ask yourself..."am I adding VALUE to the discussion?" When you come back with an honest answer we'll see what happens...or not.

      [–]juneburger 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      I apologize that you're having a one-sided dialogue. I feel as if you're really wanting to have a productive conversation. Please move along to someone more receptive.

      By the by. Note that I've been saying this yet you won't move along. Just. Move. On.

      [–]BewareTheOldMan 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Contrary - your responses are a form of dialogue. This is not one-sided as my words clearly state my position. Your words leave you open to discussion as you STILL have not said anything of true substance. You seem to think you have control of others and their response on an open forum. You have no authority on the internet. That's not how this works. You have been condescending and obtuse with me and others in your responses. It's difficult to take seriously anyone with your demeanor.

      Virtually every response to me or your comments to others has contributed nothing useful. It has to be difficult getting called out, only to realize your limited capacity in debate and your inability to control others. Your frustration is evident.

      Your words demonstrate why a collection of men believe "There is NO SUCH THING as a Red Pill Woman." You're the textbook example of a woman pretending to be Red Pill Aware, yet demonstrate otherwise via your actions and tone.

      More importantly, others view/continue to view this thread and will surely note you STILL have not addressed the argument.

      The basis of my initial post was to stimulate intelligent and informative dialogue based on the following:

      For better perspective you might want to engage serious conversation with upwardly mobile, professional, and hardworking Black men. It is these men who have the most trouble with the women available to them from their own group.

      You should attempt to understand why many good men feel disconnected and disinterested from today's modern woman. They have good reasons. You should take a few days, talk to a few more people and return to this forum with more substantial content.

      [–]Tense_Supervillain -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      So your saying black men are whipped and black woman encourage it?