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FIELD REPORTRP conversation with my boyfriend (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor

Last night my boyfriend and I had a wonderful dinner together (we were going to go to a party but then he had an awful stomachache, so we stayed in and I cooked for us) and we had a three hour long conversation (usually we can go for more, and I'm proud to say we have very good communication with each other).

My boyfriend is Eastern European, and contrary to popular TRP belief about EE women being the perfect alternative to the typical Western feminist, a lot of their women have become entitled feminists now. He said so many things that rang true with TRP that I just wanted to share with everyone. It's always good to have reminders of how to improve ourselves as women.

Note: This is not a criticism on EE women, but simply an eye opener and reminder of what feminism has done to all modern women around the world.

We live in a major international city where most nationalities will stick together. Nearly all of the EE girls are flight attendants (so they are obviously young and attractive as it's not an American airline) and my boyfriend is friends with many since they are all EE. Apparently even these young and attractive EE girls are getting pumped and dumped - mostly because they feel so much entitlement. They claim since they are beautiful then they can get any man they want, but they get pumped and dumped because they have absolutely nothing to offer back. Conversations basically circle around a few topics - buying extremely expensive clothes, how bitchy other girls are, and trying to get laid by rich men.

He also talked about how these EE girls think they can have everything they want - they think that they can get married EXACTLY when they want to. Basically your typical "I want to travel and work on my career and then I'll get married" like she thinks she has the luxury to choose exactly when she wants events to happen in her life.

He also commented on the importance of contributing to the relationship as a woman:

"If I wanted someone to agree with me all the time, I'd get a dog instead of a wife."

My boyfriend directly tells me he's looking for someone to complement him, someone who has something that he doesn't have. He even claims he doesn't like younger women (he's 32) because even if they're "young and hot" they are vapid and uninteresting. So when we were vetting each other, he was extremely intrigued when I first and foremost said I was looking for a traditional relationship where the man leads but there are gender roles. I distinctly remember he said "I have never heard an educated woman who grew up in the West say this before...tell me more." I began explaining the importance of having a masculine role and feminine role and my (essentially RP) thoughts, observations about feminism and how it's ruined marriages and relationships, and he was so surprised and impressed at my level of awareness.

RP truths are all around us, ladies. Even the men who don't read TRP observe what's happening to modern women and relationships. Keep improving your feminine skills, always work to contribute to your relationship, keep yourself attractive and in shape. Don't expect or assume you will earn his love (and vice versa). Be committed to being the best woman you can be.


[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 17 points18 points  (5 children)

Even the men who don't read TRP observe what's happening to modern women and relationships.

This is so important! Sometimes there is resentment around here about types of men over at TRP (mostly because of the anger stage & plate spinning) and we act as though they are the only men that feel any sort of way about what has happened to modern society. Your field report is a good illustration that plenty of men are ... let's say RP friendly ... even if they've never heard of it before. I think a lot of men probably crave a traditional relationship but have resigned themselves to never having it.

Great FR!

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, even my boyfriend well aware of the divorce laws in his country and he is actively buying property now as a bachelor because the law for him is everything he owns before marriage will stay his, everything that is owned during marriage is split in the case of divorce. He's very aware. He even cites examples of women leaving their husbands, when they've had two children and the husband has done nothing but provide for her. Basically TRP in a nutshell but he's never heard of the specific term.

[–]gELSK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

// , My brothers fit this mold.

[–]pinkdrawings 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I feel like men also just have extreme views on what a traditional relationship is.

What a lot of people think a good "traditional marriage" is: Man controls everything, doesn't listen to his girl at all, is rude, woman spends every second cooking/cleaning/taking care of children, has no voice,

What a good "traditional marriage" is like: Man is head of household, listens to what his girl has to say, both are respected, but have different responsibilities that they both view as important

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Maybe some men do, but some women have their own extreme views. Every relationship has to be vetted and negotiated. And what looks "traditional" is going to vary from couple to couple.

I actually think it's more accurate to say that feminism has made people scared that a good traditional marriage is one in which the man controls everything and the woman has no voice.

[–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually think it's more accurate to say that feminism has made people scared that a good traditional marriage is one in which the man controls everything and the woman has no voice.

Bingo!!!

[–]ReddJive 14 points15 points  (3 children)

My girlfriend is 4 years older then me (I'm 40)

She's DTF. Demures to me and no one else. Submissive to me, but aggressive with others. Great cook...like restaurant quality here high class. She can carry a conversation. And I mean on a wide range of topics, science, art, literature, politics, nothing is beyond her reach.

I find older women or at least my age more worth my time because I don't have to restart teaching. Some guys like that. I don't. I don't like having go backwards that far.

You all know how to have sex. What a guy wants there. I would suggest start being interesting.

[–]Waldorfmutti 0 points1 point  (2 children)

on a wide range of topics, science, art, literature, politics, nothing is beyond her reach.

That is exactly why I made sure to use two evenings in the week to attend public lectures, talks or podium discussions on topics that interest me. I am currently hoping to do a "Town Guide Certificate". It will bring in a extra Euro or two and give me bait more flexibility should my husband not find a new job after 2019 when he will be unemployed.

[–]ReddJive 1 point2 points  (1 child)

education is free.

you just have to have the drive to find it and educate yourself on anything.

[–]Waldorfmutti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the beauty of it.

[–]that_other_person1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The self deception of these EE women is strong. I think they know deep down they have little to offer or are afraid to work on themselves. They don’t want to question what is the truth because that’s hard and scary. I think they’ve been taught to bury what makes them them, which includes being a woman, with all the positives and negatives that come with being a woman, which they’ve suppressed since that’s what feminism tells them to do.

I think assuming someone young is vapid is insulting. Maybe the most beautiful of women are, but certainly all aren’t. My husband is 34 and we consider each other to be on the same intellectual level. He knows more than I do because he’s older, but we both have interesting points and perspectives to bring to the table.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think assuming someone young is vapid is insulting.

Absolutely true! Although many are, there are still a few out there who have a good head on their shoulders. But it definitely goes to show the level of entitlement is strong all over the whole world nowadays, it's not just US/Western/Central Europe.

[–]Rivkariver2 Star 2 points3 points  (2 children)

So sad about the EE changes. I was raised with the old school EE influence and I'm so glad. Hate to see another beautiful culture go that way. Hopefully it's mostly just the big cities.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Which part of the Eastern bloc are you from? I've met a few EE men in their 30's and I find them extremely masculine - they dealt with hardships growing up and most have an athletic prowess that they aren't afraid of cultivating. They still have chivalry towards women - carrying heavy things, driving, opening doors. They worked for what they have now, they weren't spoiled by rich parents because of communism/war in the 90's. They have survival skills and still have a bit of a primitive mindset, and are a bit raw in their speech.

American and British men are the most femininized IMHO, no offense to anyone, but it's not their fault - feminized and politically correct environment, materialism/consumerism, obesity/lack of discipline runs high in both these cultures.

[–]Rivkariver2 Star 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not from there but it was the grandparents' influence. Their generational view helped. I prefer not to share the country as I don't reveal a lot of personal info online. But one of the more old-fashioned ones.

I had trouble fitting in with many US women with that old world influence; I guess compared with many of them I was FOB. I mean some families got here before it was America. I used to think I was weird but now I'm glad. I didn't get as uppity about men.

I agree with all you said about the men. That's why I was single for so long until I found a more dominant guy who was actually stronger than me.

IMHO the loss of religion in the U.K. has messed up the country very badly.

Edit: so possible because of old world influence and stories, part of me is very practically minded. I used to think too much so especially in love, but I don't mind anymore, it's just me. Some women will dump a stable reliable guy with a good job who loves them and they have chemistry, just because of one argument or...I knew this girl who told me she had found another guy super hot so now she had to dump her bf. Are you kidding me? But whatever, I'll just be me.

[–]LateralThinker133 Stars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

even if they're "young and hot" they are vapid and uninteresting

I laughed out loud. So true. There are exceptions (I married one) but they prove the rule.

EDIT: The one plus of dating younger women is, if they are amenable, they can be properly trained before they ride the carousel too hard and get jaded, or get old and bitter post-wall.

[–]Ezaar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great message.