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OFF TOPICI thought this was really well written, what do you think? The best of TRP. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by AnnaAerials

Attention all women - Don’t worry, the men of the Red Pill have your backs

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[–]RpwomN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I found my captain early on in my life, and everything in this post is true. Strong women need stronger men in their lives, not the opposite.

[–]KateCoger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I like this a lot. It is probably one of the best written posts I have encountered on TRP. Thank you for sharing!

[–]Luckylancer96 14 points15 points  (7 children)

I dissagree with op in one thing: Trp dont have women's back. I think manosphere is about fucking sluts and dreaming 'good wifes' as pastime from time to time. Roosh represents the community nicely.

A man that brags about cheating his wife with a married woman was clapped at comments by MRP community. 'Good for nothing fathers' that knocked up many women and dont help their family and kids were clapped at comments of trp. When women do these they are shamed. They should be shamed in my opinion too.

That post have similar with JPB's ideas and I like the post but it doesnt belong to TRP.

Disclaimer: I was going to post this there but mods ban because of slighest disagreements.

[–]RpwomN 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Men who cheat on their wives aren't Red Pill in my opinion. If you're so weak and you jump at the first slut to suck you off and abandon your wife for, you're a weak man who was just pretending to be Alpha. Men who abandon children to be taken care of some other man isn't an Alpha either. Alpha men want to raise their offspring to not get trapped in this chaotic world.

If you're hearing about men doing these things, just point out them not actually being Red Pill at all.

[–]Luckylancer96 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You are wrong. Staying for children is %100 beta trait. Pure alphas are bad at LTRs and families. The man you described have traits of boht combined. Dalrock have a good article about this in his blog. Search 'this is what beta looks' like in google

[–]RpwomN 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Why would an Alpha want some lame ass dud raising his offspring to be lame as well? Real men want their sons and daughters to be leaders of the world, not the followers. Beta's stay with silly women having children to trap them, of course an Alpha wouldn't stay in that environment. But a real Alpha would fight for their custody rights to take them away from their toxic and manipulative mothers, not leave them at their will.

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    [–]Luckylancer96 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    You are correct but the examples I give show that this post does not represent trp community's view. They enjoy it when man do totaly immoral acts, mods ban those who disagree.

    I got banned from mrp for disagreing with a man who having affair with another man's beatiful wife, pittying man and enjoying "I take mo ey from my husband but I enjoy fucking you" from that women. This dude have faithful wife. Read it all and look how mods ban some of people.

    Search at mrp: [FR] - One party, two women.

    [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (23 children)

    This post explains exactly why I never understood why RPWs claim they don’t want a TRP/MRP.

    If you don’t, I think that’s foolish and based only if feelz. No MRPer who has turned the corner is in a bad relationship.

    So you don’t think you like dread game? What’s the other option? A weak man unattractive to women? You have to trust that a captain who leads will lead for the benefit of the relationship. Not your benefit. The relationship’s benefit. If a man spends his time attending to his woman’s happiness, a woman will be unhappy with the result. (As she should be.)

    I maintain that if you truly want to be red, you have to at least read MRP. Learn what men want, you don’t have to like how we think but the red pill is truth above feelz.

    [–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 24 points25 points  (8 children)

    This post explains exactly why I never understood why RPWs claim they don’t want a TRP/MRP

    This post is one positive post among many complaining about women. TRP/MRP are gathering spots for men to learn from each other and to nurse their emotional wounds. Until they come out of the unplugging process on the other side, they are not fit to be anyone's partner. The idea "RPW are not necessarily looking for TRP men" is because most TRP men are not in a place to be dating and certainly not with the same goals that RPW typically have. A good number of them also want nothing more than to spin plates. I have no problem with that desire BUT I can't encourage women to go looking for men who are in that mindset.

    A TRP man who has accepted female nature and is back to liking women AND have their life squared away (driven, confident, fit) is going to make great partners for some woman if he chooses to settle down. It doesn't reflect the majority of the membership of TRP at this point in time.

    Now MRP may be different but these are men who are already in relationships. The ones in problem relationships have not shown their ability to lead and maintain an RP relationship or they wouldn't be looking for answers on MRP. Now once they have come out the other side then sure. But there is a higher bar of vetting for a man who already had one failed marriage.

    So you don’t think you like dread game? What’s the other option?

    Passive dread is necessary. He must continue to be awesome as a manner of keeping her interest and keeping hypergamy at bay.

    However, active dread for ones wife... I won't claim to know whether that works or not. I suspect that it depends a whole lot on the individual people in the relationships. In the last couple weeks a woman came on here to discuss her man being on MRP and the failing of the relationship. They both had a post history so you could get a good idea of the relationship. They both f-ed up. One of the more interesting comments was that while he thought he was dreading her and getting this porn star level sex, she was miserable and thinking about cheating. Active dread can certainly be implemented in terrible ways that are short sighted for the long term viability of the relationship. If it gets the man what he wants in the short term but destroys the woman's love for him, does that count as it working?

    It is possible to be a strong man without causing your woman anxiety. I know this because my husband does not engage in dread with me and I do not see him as weak. I see this with friends of ours. The stronger marriages have men who are dominant relative to their wives. I don't know of any who actively dread their women. The women still trust their husbands to lead. That is because over the years, these men have proven themselves over and over. When they fail, they get back up. When a situation calls for it, they rise to the occasion. They place their wives and families in an important place in their lives.

    The key is that these men (and women) chose correctly to begin with. The people in failing marriages seem to have not chosen correctly to begin with OR they have not maintained their masculinity within the marriage. That isn't a point in favor of MRP as a guide to a strong marriage. That's MRP as relationship therapy for a problem marriage which I am entirely in favor of but it is not necessary to have a man who knows anything about RP for him to be a "captain".

    I maintain that if you truly want to be red, you have to at least read MRP. Learn what men want, you don’t have to like how we think but the red pill is truth above feelz.

    I'm a fan of RPW reading the sidebars of TRP once they have a feel for theory from the women's side. However, there is still the "ask the fisherman not the fish" idea to contend with. Men (and women) are brainwashed against our own natures. Is it best to ask the men who are shaking off the brainwashing still what men want? There is an old post from RedPillSchool that talks about men thinking whatever they are able to get in a woman is what they want in a woman. His point is that men don't always know what men want. Men are thirsty and will claim to want whatever has gotten them laid in the past. So to "ask the fish" stand a chance of getting you flawed advice.

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 7 points8 points  (5 children)

    TRP man

    This begs the question - what is a TRP man? Does such a thing even exist?

    TRP is a set of ideas, a constant search for the truth. Therefore, a person cannot be TRP because a person cannot be a search for truth. A person can be searching but they cannot be the search itself. The only question that remains is - how much of TRP principles and ideas are incorporated into ones life?

    The answer will vary from man to man and TRP subreddit is only a small sample of such men. There are dozens of blogs, YouTube channels etc that discuss TRP and have nothing to do with the subreddit.

    Additionally, what general route a man will take once he reaches the acceptance stage will also vary from man to man. Will he be a MRP? A PUA? MGTOW? Or something else. There's no guarantee. Each man will reach his own conclusion. One thing is clear - RPW would very much like men who are men of value (however you measure that in the delicate balance of AF and SMV on one hand and BB and RMV on the other hand). Therefore, it stands to reason that RPW do want RP men even though they don't want the PUA or MGTOW version of RP men.

    active dread

    What you write about dread is very good and touches on an important issue.

    Dread is extremely harmful for a LTR. There's no two ways about it. Therefore, if you're married or in this relationship for the long haul, dread needs to be done away with. This requires a compromise from both the man and the woman but primarily from the woman.

    The woman must learn to constantly appreciate her husband within her internal dialog so she maintains the highest possible degree of sexual desire and attraction for her husband into eternity. This can sometimes be very difficult for many women but the alternatives are horrible.

    A man needs to compromise and hold back from using dread because - as in the example you brought - dread is harmful to the long term health of a marriage even though it may get him more sex in the short term.

    I don't know what passive dread is or how a man might engage in it.

    [–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    This begs the question - what is a TRP man? Does such a thing even exist?

    My answer to this is nearly always "no, such a thing does not exist" ... same with an RP woman. Tool box theory.

    In this particular case, I was trying to explain to LeftandRed why we don't recommend that women seek out men on TRP. It's one of those things that gets thrown around RPW all the time and occasionally people have the idea that RPW & TRP are supposed to pair up.

    From that perspective we just have to consider general trends and not individual people. Generally speaking, RPW and TRP want different things out of their relationships. Also generally speaking, a lot of men on TRP are still in the anger phase and not ready to date.

    None of that means that a man who spends time on TRP is automatically a poor choice and none of that means they are the be all end all of what it means to be an RP man. There are plenty of men on PPD who do not go to TRP/MRP but still consider themselves RP -- and that is without even leaving Reddit.

    I don't know what passive dread is or how a man might engage in it.

    This is a concept I learned about from MetalDevils (may her account RIP). Her interpretation is that passive dread is simply having boundaries, rules and not letting someone walk all over you. Being a desirable man, who doesn't take any crap is enough to keep a woman on her toes and honest.

    I tried to find the message where she articulated it but it's been a really long time now and I cannot.

    Short answer: passive dread = being awesome (or dominant). No flirting with other women necessary.

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    So passive dread is to trigger the already existing female insecurities without intending to trigger said insecurities?

    [–]Guywithgirlwithabike2 Stars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    "Passive dread" is consistently behaving in a manner that exudes competent Alpha (the specifics of which varying between women) to such a degree that the woman in question does not even need to see other women's attraction to think there is a constant risk of some other woman making a move on you. You don't have to visibly flirt with or even mention you encounter other women.

    [–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I think? Now that I'm trying to explain it I'm realizing there are holes in my memory/understanding. I really wish I could find the old convo I had about it. :-

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    😌

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Good counterpoints. I can’t deny them, but I will say that I was thinking about those who have already gotten past the anger phase.

    I think the best course for a young woman is to (1) find a younger man with ambition, drive, and potential and to NOT look for someone established; and (2) read MRP not so you ask the fish, but you see what bait the fish nibble. Don’t ask the guys for advice, but guide the young rising alpha to emulate the better qualities the woman desires.

    Of course it’s good to consider that even the strategies that seem offputting are tried and tested.

    PS could you link me that post regarding the dread that went horribly wrong? I would love to read it. Thanks.

    [–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    (1) find a younger man with ambition, drive, and potential and to NOT look for someone established; and

    Agree wholeheartedly. I know we like to advise that women should look to more established men but I strongly believe in growing together as a couple.

    (2) read MRP not so you ask the fish, but you see what bait the fish nibble.

    I agree here too. I used to be more a fan of MRP but lately I've been floating through TRP more. The dislike for random women is less distressing than the dislike for one's wife. But that's just me. As a married lady, I dont love seeing the institution denigrated by men or women. Either sub will give some insight. Askmen has its value too .

    Of course it’s good to consider that even the strategies that seem offputting are tried and tested.

    It all comes down to how good the man is at implementation. It's difficult to determine what is fact and what is chest thumping. Gaylubeoil had a post recently that came down to "don't larp masculinity". If that needs to be said by the men there then we women have to take what we see with a grain of salt.

    Men who are worth dating won't be discernible from naturals once they have their shit together IMO. It's just while they are there hanging out in the anger phase that we have to point out that these men aren't a good match.

    PS could you link me that post regarding the dread that went horribly wrong? I would love to read it. Thanks.

    It's been deleted (I looked) along with the OPs account. I guess she didn't like the advice she was getting.

    [–]Ihatemost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    To be fair there's also a lot of toxicity in TRP, that's mostly why TRP is not recommended in this sub.

    [–]Astroviridae 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    Men who frequent TRP spin plates, typically don't want LTRs, and are against marriage. To contrast, RPW are actively seeking LTRs with marriage as the goal. That (usually) means TRP men and RPW are incompatible for each other.

    [–]honorocagan 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    You don’t know that. The ones against marriage are a lot more vocal. Those who disagree are quiet because they are barraged with “never ever get married”, horror stories, etc.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It’s true. I’m moving towards marriage with my RPW, but don’t want the papers. She does, so we’re looking for a compromise. My Mission includes her at my side, but I am wary of getting the government involved in our spiritual matrimony.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    What about MRP?

    [–]Astroviridae 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Presumably, they're already married.

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    (As she should be.)

    This is the only part of your comment I'll take issue with. The rest is good.

    If her husband is trying to make her happy, she should appreciate that. If it's something she requested, than that should make her happier with him.

    It doesn't because female nature isn't particularly appreciative or grateful for what it receives from men. Appreciation and gratitude need to be consciously worked on. However, just because it isn't that way, doesn't mean it shouldn't be that way.

    She should be happy, even though she likely won't.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    I was speaking more to what that says to a man’s character.

    If he devotes his time to keeping his first mate happy, he’s not guiding the ship sufficiently. Sometimes the correct course requires someone to be unhappy. The relationship is greater than either persons individual happiness.

    A good captain knows this.

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I know. I understood what you meant and I agree with you.

    But this is a women's forum and therefore it needs to be pointed out that while it is this way naturally, this is harmful to the marriage and therefore shouldn't be this way even though it likely is.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Gotcha. I missed that point the first time around. You’re too subtle for your own good!

    [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    😀

    [–]AnnaAerials[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Well I think a lot of what TRP has is horrendous. Actually the men that appeal to their more worse dogma aren’t traditional or anything like what we’d like in a partner- but this post seemed to flow really well and align with RPW values.

    I maintain that if you truly want to be red, you have to at least read MRP. Learn what men want, you don’t have to like how we think but the red pill is truth above feelz.

    Very well said

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      [–]ErzBathory 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      This is the equivalent of TRPW & r/TheRedPill holding hands and singing Kumbaya

      [–]iliftandamfemale 2 points3 points  (10 children)

      Deleted.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Not for me.

      [–]SlyGradientTRP MOD 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Post was temporarily down due to some apparent brigading. Should be back up now.

      [–]AnnaAerials[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

      Pardon ?

      Edit: it’s not showing up for me either when I click on the link, I’ll try to find a copy

      2nd Edit: It has been removed sadly

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      [–]AnnaAerials[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      No :( it either shows no text or it says [removed]

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      It still works for me...

      [–]AnnaAerials[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I hope the issue is just on my end. If it’s not too much of an issue could you copy and paste it as a reply? Incase other people have the same problem

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I tried to archive it and it is down.

      I’ll try to get it back up here.

      [–]AnnaAerials[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thanks heaps!

      [–]firekitty29 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      same