DISCUSSIONI came here to poke fun, found myself agreeing, and now it's a serious source of stress for me. How do I deal with this? (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by HavingTrouble892016

The first time I visited this sub was when a friend showed it to me. It was partly her poking fun, and partly out of bafflement that there are women who could think the way you do, and who could be so opposed to feminism. At the time I agreed with her, but I was baffled and confused by the beliefs espoused here, and that got me curious. I started reading, and was angry and confused to find myself agreeing with a lot of what RedPillWomen has to say.

I’ve delved deeper and deeper, and it just gets worse and worse. I’m kind of at this place where I feel lost, and don’t know how to handle it. I’m 18, and starting college soon, so this is not really happening at a great time for me either. I also feel a bit isolated because I feel like my friends would crucify me if I even hinted I was struggling with this, so I thought maybe I would turn to you all because this where it started and at some point many of you have probably gone through the same thing.

I realize the rules said to try and avoid posting a wall of text, so I’ll try to limit the background information I give. My parents are divorced, and my mom has always urged me to excel and prove that I can do anything boys can do, and I really took that to heart. Feminism was a big part of my identity and worldview, and I had always felt obligated to shirk gender roles and femininity (though never really managed that last part).

I feel like a big part of why I’ve started paying attention to what’s said here, is that just paying attention to the message has caused me to examine the two examples of people in relationships I’ve had in my life, my mother and father. When my dad divorced my mom I was mad at him, he was the bad guy. Looking back now though, of course he did. She was, as you might say, a shrew. She was and still is constantly bitter about everything and extremely negative, and he always seemed tired. Even now, she’s still alone and bitter. Trying to conform to her expectations sucks my energy too. I don’t want to end up like her.

My dad on the other hand, has remarried. My stepmother is such a nice person, and in a lot of ways I can be myself more with her than with my mom. Her and my dad’s relationship is very happy, and she’s constantly supportive and he’s way more assertive. It was actually source of conflict in my relationship with them with him taking charge and her supporting, because I was critical of it for years. His parenting became more hands on and I resented him imposing structure that my mom did and also judged my step mom for being a housewife even though she’s been nothing but kind to me. It’s only since reading this sub that I’ve realized how awful I’ve been to them at times, and how I’ve been angry at my dad for doing his job and being the only one of my two parents to actually teach me any responsibility or structure. I am grateful for how my relationship with both of them has improved for the better as I’ve tried to be more positive and respectful, deferring to their judgement more, but even that’s hard sometimes.

I guess what I want to do is ask how some of you have coped with, “taking the pill.” I still feel like I’m some sort of traitor for the way my thinking of changes, for realizing that a career and proving myself equal isn’t the thing I want most in life. How do I go from where I was to this? How do I stop myself from lashing out at others unfairly when I get confused? Also, how do I find friends that I can talk about this with? Lastly, and this it the weirdest one, how do I stop feeling guilty for actually wanting and being okay with the pill? I feel like, while there’s a lot of hard truth, I do want to accept those truths. They say the truth will set you free, but it’s like my subconscious is viscerally opposed to letting that happen.

(Also, I apologize if this seems directionless at times. I was a bit emotional when I wrote it. If this doesn’t belong here, I also apologize for that.)

Edit: Thank you all for taking the time to read this and respond. You've all been very helpful. Seriously, it's amazing.

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[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Welcome to RPW.

still feel like I’m some sort of traitor for the way my thinking of changes

This is just part of growing up. I'm 27, and I do not have the same opinions or world views that I did at 16, 18, or my early 20's.

how do I stop feeling guilty for actually wanting and being okay with the pill?

This is so common! Many, many women feel this guilt because of what we've been taught growing up. You almost feel like you're a traitor to your gender, don't you? Feminism has taught us all to go against the grain of our most basic instincts, being deferent, being feminine, being vulnerable. But denying these parts of us has not made us any happier. When you embrace what comes naturally to you instead of denying it, you will be much happier.

As for speaking with friends about it, unfortunately we are a bit of a secret society. I would advise you to be careful whom you share these ideas with. This subject is so touchy right now, especially in my country (US), people can/will ostracize you for it. However it sounds as though you may have a role model/kindred spirit in your stepmom! That's great.

As for how I coped with it, I was older than you and married when I found the red pill. It immediately clicked for me. All the stories and the RP theory, it was as if someone had written a story about my early 20's and pointed out all the mistakes I had made along the way. Why all the men I dated were spineless and directionless. Why I was always so upset and stressed, why I felt helpless trying to do it all, why my boyfriend was so stupid and helpless without me. Making the changes have transformed my life and marriage. I am so much happier with my life now than I was preRP. It is a cause with investigating. If you have questions, please post. Lurk, read the sidebar, there are books we advocate reading, if you're interested. It's a whole new way to approach the world!

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Swallowing the pill before college is probably the perfect time - you can watch all the truths unravel around you, at a young age you can experiment with RPW tenets with the men around you.

[–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is so common!

I kind of figured that this had to be the case, and even reading through past posts and some of the material it's stated as something that happens, but it's really nice to just hear. Thank you.

As for speaking with friends about it, unfortunately we are a bit of a secret society.

This was one of the things I picked up on while reading, and it's pretty disappointing because I don't do well handling problems on my own. Honestly though, I don't know that I need to discuss all the specifics by name, I'd just like to be able to tell someone that I was a feminist and now I'm not and that's hard, or that it's confusing to realize I don't want the things I've been told to want and spent my young life working toward. I think /u/HearTheRaven had a good point about talking with my stepmom. Would you recommend refraining from too many specifics if I did that?

I am so much happier with my life now than I was preRP.

I read this so much while lurking, from so many people, and it's a really reassuring thing ultimately. I'm glad it worked out for you.

If you have questions, please post. Lurk, read the sidebar, there are books we advocate reading, if you're interested. It's a whole new way to approach the world!

I'm definitely going to take this advice, because it seems like the best way to move forward. With regards to books, is there a specific one I should start with? I'm considering The Surrendered Single...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You should definitely use your step mom for her advise and wisdom a as much as you can. I use my MIL all the time, her and I have similar lifestyles and goals. As far as showing her RP I haven't done that because I am concerned she'll take some of it offensively plus she's doing just fine on her own after 5 kids and 31 years of marriage. :-)

Surrendered Single is good, Surrendered Wife (for when you are in a relarionship), I liked Fascinating Womanhood, it helped me recognize my vulnerable side because I had trouble expressing that. I also really liked The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. I read that just a few months ago and it really just reiterates what the other books said.

[–]trekkielady72 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I know this is sort of off topic but I didn't want to make an entire post, is there any way to overcome feeling alpha widowed?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is a very good question that I think probably deserves its own post.

[–]ThorsdaySaturnday 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A lot of us are feminists, or started out as feminist. I still consider myself somewhat feminist, not the man-hating type, or the kind who subscribes to the philosophy that women should be men, or "anything that a man can do, I woman can do better," but equal opportunities. A lot of us have careers, we're not all stay at home moms, not that there is anything wrong with that, and some of us earn more than our partners.

The thing to remember is that God created men and women differently for a reason. Each sex has something unique to contribute, and part of understanding RPW is acknowledging that we we're different and awesome in different ways.

[–]asteadyheart 13 points14 points  (18 children)

I'm sorry it's been tough! I have some friends who think I'm crazy for doing so much around the house; they constantly harp on things being "equal" between me and my SO.

But it is equal. I think one of the biggest misconceptions, at least from my view of RPW, is that we ARE equals. I always explain it as that men and women stand on separate pillars. They are the same in height, strength, and both are equally necessary. But they are not identical. In fact, there are big differences. But these differences do not make one less equal than the other. I think the problem tends to be that most women want to be on the SAME pillar and do the SAME things as men. You know, that's fine, but they will have a hard time of it and begin to blame many other things before stopping and asking, "Is the problem with me?"

My mother wanted me to be capable as well. I can do everything from fix a hole in the wall, landscaping, to car maintenance. I have a professional graduate degree. There is nothing wrong with being capable. When a woman does not have a man, does it mean she should just sit around and be helpless? I don't think so.

It's about changing your behavior from masculine/aggressive to feminine/patient. I'm not a delicate flower and I'm not passive-aggressive. To me, the biggest issue the modern woman has is approaching problems/situations in an aggressive way. It's draining for us, it also just does not work. Being a RPW is about playing to our strengths, including being feminine to being capable.

I don't, for one second, ever think that my SO is my superior. He is my leader, he is my Captain, but he is not a better person than me. Due to the way we are, he is better suited to lead and I am better suited to help him/us get to where he wants us to go. Because I got to know him and trust him, I know where he wants us to go is where I also want to be.

I hope that helps!

[–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 8 points9 points  (12 children)

It does help, thank you. I mean it's really hard not to think of them as unequal roles, especially since I was definitely somebody who what "be on the same pillar and do the same things as men," and tried "approaching problems/situations in an aggressive way." When I do act more feminine and patient, and in the moments where I don't make myself feel guilty over it, it does feel easier and I am happier. I just want that to last. Setting aside the mindset that if men and women's roles are different then they are unequal is hard, and then makes it harder to accept the idea of different roles. I have a hard time acknowledging the importance of a supporting role is weirdly hard for me, which is especially silly because descriptions of the relationships of women in this sub they sound really nice and like what I want. But yeah, the different but equal phrasing helps.

[–]asteadyheart 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I absolutely get that. My sister is the epitome of someone who is overly aggressive and she has a TERRIBLE time with it. She got married but he is very passive and they apparently have big fights.

To her, and so many others, to be in a supporting role just seems beneath the leader. But the reality is that a leader is only as good as those who help them. If they have no one to aid them in their dreams, then nothing will get done.

In my opinion, a good RPW relationship is when we help our SO's go further in life than they would without us. Absolutely, the type of men RPW have are already going to succeed. But we are the ones who help them go as far as they can dream.

A lot of this is about finding the right guy. Where I live, a graduate degree is appealing and a BA/BS is basic. They actively avoid women who had lite humanity majors. They want thinkers, they want someone who can challenge them. Here, men are thick on the ground, but they are wary to commit because they want someone who can go as far as they can. RPW often says that graduate degrees are unappealing to men, but for me that's just not the case. The moral of this is that not all of RPW theory is true to you, but the general applies to us all.

[–]Gardrothard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my opinion, a good RPW relationship is when we help our SO's go further in life than they would without us. Absolutely, the type of men RPW have are already going to succeed. But we are the ones who help them go as far as they can dream.

I've always had these dreams, about being there and supporting my partner but I could never actually share them with anyone. I love this place. Thank you, the women here are amazing.

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    [–]asteadyheart 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Well, I think that is why RPW and TRP aren't always exactly on the same page. I don't think any of us are willing to listen to a guy spew hate towards us about how our gender is the reason their lives are miserable. My SO is what the RPW considers to be RP, but he finds TRP as a group to be horrifying. Definitely separating RPW and TRP is key to understanding where we're coming from, I think.

    Also, I don't think we're expected to be more yielding than our mother's generation. At least, when talking to my mother and her experiences, she went through far more. Now, women are offered basic and polite decency, but when she was growing up it was assumed that she wasn't smart enough to become a doctor so maybe a nurse (or just marrying a doctor, her parents said). She ended up being an electrical engineer and worked on radar control panels for the US Navy.

    I don't think ANYONE should listen to an irrational man. I have no idea who Tom Leykis is, but judging by his picture for his show, he looks like someone I don't want to waste my time on. My sister listened to... Adam Corolla? I feel like that's a car, but she listened to him and found him to be hilarious. I was just horrified. He was unlike any good man I ever knew.

    From my view, we don't listen to men because they are men. All men do not automatically have my respect and attention. No, far from it. I treat everyone with respect and kindness, but when they want my loyalty, they need to give me a reason to be loyal. Men who are rude, distrustful, and petty to you, have given you no reason to listen to or obey them.

    [–]bowie747 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    Imagine you met a man who was very feminine; he never really leads, he's a great cook and a great dancer, he loves The Kardashians, he reads women's magazines, he walks and talks and acts feminine, in fact, he's also really great at most of the things you are good at.

    Do you think this man complements you and is suitable for a long-term relationship? Surely if his skills and interests are the same as yours then they must provide equal value to the relationship right?

    Thought not. That's how men feel about high-powered career women.

    Don't get me wrong, it's truly great if they're happy and emotionally/spiritually satisfied doing so. But it doesn't provide any extra value to a sexual partnership. Being equal doesn't necessitate being the same.

    [–]Highly_Tingled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is well stated . Good one . So true .

    [–]questioningwoman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    But what if you don't care about "most men" and want to repel anyone who wants to control you?

    [–]Starswarm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's more valuable to define who/what you do care about rather than who/what you don't care about.

    How do you define control?

    [–]bowie747 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Who said anything about control? Indifference is the word you're looking for.

    [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    This is one of the harder parts for me to accept, and is also confusing because there seems to be a wide range of opinions on the matter of careers in this sub. The idea that my career doesn't necessarily increase my value in a relationship feels unfair sometimes. I am trying focus on the fact that I can still go to college and start a career, but that it makes sense that if getting married and having a family are my top priority (which I'm realizing more and more is the case) that I should then be willing to sacrifice in lower priorities to achieve that.

    What you say makes sense, I really do not want to be with the type of man you described in your hypothetical. At all. It adds nothing for me and does not sound appealing. It's just hard to let go of old ideas, and honestly it's bit frightening because my life up to this point has been preparing to be that high-powered career woman.

    I've not been over to TRP pill so much, because when I've been there it was a lot more blunt and sometimes angry, which made this harder. Is a career just that off-putting to RP guys? I would assume opinions vary...

    [–]bowie747 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    It's not necessarily off-putting, it won't be a negative in most men's eyes. We just don't care. And it's annoying that women think we should, but we don't.

    What one sex finds attractive is not necessarily what the other finds attractive. Like I said before I honestly want my woman to be as happy and fulfilled as possible in her life, and if that requires a powerful career then great. But if she chooses to give it up then I don't care about that either. Her own satisfaction is the only reason I'd care about her career choices.

    I dated a girl recently for about 4 months who WOULD.NOT.STOP.TALKING about her career. Now that was off-putting.

    [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    See, I actually really like that mindset because in a way there's less pressure involved, you care about her happiness, and it makes sense. It's also consistent with some of the sidebar reading I've been doing where it says to be careful not to talk too much about your job or education on dates, and that those things aren't a major part of what men are attracted to. Now to just work on accepting and adapting to that last part...

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      [–]asteadyheart 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      My attitude towards anger, directed at anyone, is the same.

      What is the point of being furious and rage at someone? Did they learn anything, except that you have a temper? Did it solve the problem, or did you just get to vent? What it did is most likely shut that person off from ever communicating with you in a clear and calm manner. So the chance of you getting mad at this person again? High. People don't like to be treated angrily or roughly, in general, so when they are approached with aggression they put their walls up and only half listen to protect themselves. Everyone does this.

      For women, it's even more difficult because we come off as hissy instead of assertive. We come off as bitchy instead of confrontational. The deck is stacked against us and we keep insisting on playing with it, because one day the deck will be fair. Maybe one day, it will be. But what happens in the mean time? You get madder, you feel more disillusioned, you become a "mega bitch".

      I used to deal with anger issues, amongst many issues due to a rough period in my life. I was reading a book and they described anger or acting on anger as like you're digging a hole. You're digging a hole as deep as you can go, until you feel better. You get out, hopefully you can get out, and then what do you do? Well, you have to fill it back up. Now what is more pointless than digging a hole and filling it back up?

      So one day, when I was furious, I dug a hole and filled it back up. I was breathing hard, feeling my anger ebb, and I looked at this mound of fresh dirt I just put back into the hole. I laughed and shook my head. I got it. It was a waste of my energy and time. I dug a hole maybe twice after that, but soon, I lost my interest in being angry.

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        [–]asteadyheart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If you tell this person to leave you alone and they refuse, then you need to look into talking to your local authority and tell them how much this person is affecting your everyday life.

        I'm sure you already know this, but because they make you so furious, they are always with you. I don't know what they did, and if it was very bad then talk to the police or someone you trust. But if you cling onto something they did years ago that hurt you, in the end they're winning and that hurt will keep going until you are able to let go.

        Sorry if this sounds too hokey. This is not RPW, this is just me. Zen philosophy helped me recover and heal from a lot of painful events in my life. Without it, I would have never recovered.

        [–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "Nice to my SO, b##ch to everyone else" is not RPW behavior at all. It amounts to passive and not-so-passive aggression.


        [–]pinkdrawings 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Welcome to RPW.

        I was where you're at very recently. I found TRP/RPW, and thought it was insane. I thought everyone here were complete lunatics, traitors, and "misogynists".

        I also feel a bit isolated because I feel like my friends would crucify me if I even hinted I was struggling with this.

        You can definitely PM me at any time if you'd like to chat.

        I guess what I want to do is ask how some of you have coped with, “taking the pill.” I still feel like I’m some sort of traitor for the way my thinking of changes, for realizing that a career and proving myself equal isn’t the thing I want most in life. This is my main issue with feminism right now. If feminism is all about women having choices - why do you feel awful about your choice to take the red pill? Chew on that for a moment. That's how I got past it at first. I told myself that if feminism is all about women being able to make my own choices - then why cannot I make this choice? After a while - the 'feminism' part slowly starts to melt away.

        Good luck, and I hope to see you around some more.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Hi, I know this isn't directly relevant to your post but I figured I'd throw it out there - you can PM me if you'd like someone around your age to talk to about this.

        I took the pill when I was about 16/17 and dealt with a lot of resentment and trust issues with the folks around me for a long time after that and it caused me to reexamine and reevaluate my relationships with people. I've moved past that at this stage, but I think I get where you're coming from and if you want someone to talk to about it, heya! :)

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Oh no, it's definitely related to my post. One of the hardest parts about this is not having anybody to talk to without being judged, so it would actually be really helpful to just talk with somebody who's been through this.

        [–]HearTheRaven 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        Also, how do I find friends that I can talk about this with?

        Your stepmom seems like a good place to start

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        You're right, she really does. I actually had that realization just writing this out, and it kind of hit me that it was right in front of me. I still don't really know how I'd go about broaching the topic, but I think that even if she doesn't get I can still tell her without fearing the result. I'll probably not use phrasing and terminology from here, but I'm definitely going to give it a try now.

        [–]HearTheRaven 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        I honestly can't imagine her fundamentally disagreeing with anything here...judging from your description, she's already living the RPW life.

        As for how to broach, to me it seems simple...she's happy. She managed to attract your dad. Your dad is obviously happy with her. You'd like to have what she has, in good time. How does she do it?

        Worst case scenario, you bring up RPW and she thinks you're just going through a phase

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        That seems easy enough. The idea still makes me nervous, but I suppose I'll just have to give it a shot anyway.

        [–]HearTheRaven 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Do the two of you hang out at all? Do coffee? Skype?

        Don't know what your relationship is like, but you don't have to bring up RPW straight away. Get to know her first, find out how and why she married your dad and go from there

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yes, I used to hang out with her just when things were tough with my mom, but lately I've been hanging out with her more. Sometimes it's just fun stuff like shopping, but I've also started helping her with things around their house. She's teaching me to cook too. So, there's definitely the opportunity to bring it up before I go off to college, though that's pretty soon.

        [–]timeforstretchpants 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        You're in a really great place! Even if you don't go 'whole hog' into RPW, you're setting a good foundation. You're so young and can avoid the mistakes that so many of us have made.

        You didn't mention what kind of situation you'll be in at university (how far from home, living situation, type of institution, etc) but I'm sure you'll have opportunities to make the type of friends you'd like. Now is your chance to break away from the bad influences and find ladies who will be worthwhile, lifelong friends

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I'm going to school across the country, and I'm pretty excited about it but also a little worried. I'm going to be living in a dorm setting, and after reading a post earlier from a girl asking how to not feel pressured to "ride the cc," I'm a little worried I'm entering a situation where I'll be tempted to do things that are detrimental long-term without having fully accepted the reasons they're detrimental.

        [–]timeforstretchpants 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This sub is a lot of people saying "Hey, here's what's working for me". Nobody will agree with everything that gets posted.

        Freshman year has a lot of questioning and growing. And you've already started questioning the way you were raised and trying to figure out what kind of woman you want to become. Keep at it.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm in the same position as you, for the most part - I'm currently in my third year of college, have also came here to laugh only to agree with it, and I feel the people in my life wouldn't understand.

        It's only natural that your brain resists these changes. We're humans and we're biased and we have difficulty changing our worldviews. It's part of the "deprogramming", as TRP puts it. Not only that, but you'll probably change a lot of your worldviews in your first year of college. You'll meet people who might share them and people who are widely opposed to them. And if you're lucky, you'll meet people who are open-minded enough to listen to you about these things.

        How do I stop myself from lashing out at others unfairly when I get confused?

        Practice. I had/have problems of lashing out at people and I would literally practice looking at things that made me irrationally angry and keeping a calm demeanour. I had to make it a habit to pause and think about what I say when I'm angry. I focused on controlling my reaction and tone of voice. I used "I" statements, rather than "you" statements (the latter of which are more accusatory). I'm still working on it, but I'm better.

        Feel free to PM me if you need to talk.

        [–]Submissively_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        The best way that I have found to cope with feelings of apprehension is to just ignore them and do what it is you are wanting to do, and be the way that you want to be. You will restructure your life as necessary to continue it, and eventually nothing will be left to be apprehensive about - either obstacles are removed or attitudes are adjusted.

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This makes a lot of sense, but I don't think I have any idea how to actually do it. I mean it's simple in principle, but I tend to let anxiety kind of consume me and get in the way. I know that's me letting it do that, but I really can't seem to figure out how to not let it... Typing that out makes me feel a bit ridiculous actually, but I'm not sure how else I can put it.

        [–]Mentathiel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        First of all, people I'd suggest you talk to this about are your father and his new wife. It would be a brilliant excuse to apologize for your past behavior if you already haven't and you could see if they're open to talking about it a bit more until you find adequate friends to share this with. (I'm also 18 and don't have anyone I'd dare say anything from here openly to.)

        As for the guilt and doubt you fear, give it time. I still haven't swallowed the pill and I'm not sure will I ever. And I'm fine with that. I'm just working on myself and taking what I deem useful from here. If it sits well with you, you'll gradually become more accepting of these concepts. If it doesn't, so what? As long as you're not rationalizing things, as long as you're sure you're thinking critically of everything (be it RP or feminist concepts), you should be fine. You may not be right, but when confronted with reasons you're wrong, you'll likely change your mind.

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, I have apologized to them, twice actually. The first time I spent most of the conversation qualifying my apology with excuses, which I didn't even catch until after the conversation and felt really bad about that so I ended up apologizing again and having to consciously focus on being genuinely apologetic. My relationship with them really has improved a lot lately, and it is looking like they're the two to talk to.

        [–]neverbesmall 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        TRP flies in the face of the establishment that doesn't recognize itself as the establishment. This establishment has built up a caricature of what people believed in the 50s, or whenever-yesteryear, and told us that anyone that doesn't believe in progressive feminism must believe women need to be x y z.

        Listen, don't do anything you read from TRP if you personally don't think it's what you want for yourself, but if you read a lot on here that you realize is more in tune with how you think you really want to be then try it out.

        [–]noodleworld 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This might sound harsh, but you need to start cutting loose the friends who will give you a hard time about red pill stuff, and making new ones who respect and/or agree with your views. Don't try to stay friends with people who are going to call you a bad person because you like traditionalism.

        [–]HavingTrouble892016[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I was thinking I would just kind of let them drift away since I'm leaving them behind for college. I definitely want to find more traditional friends in college, because I think it's dangerous to surround myself with people who have bad habits.

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        [–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This is not Red Pill, why are you here?

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        [–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Other than being NOT RP, what does TBP bring to the table?