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DISCUSSIONIt's Time To Push Back Against Feminist Bullies (thefederalist.com)

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[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 23 points24 points  (31 children)

The attacks on Matt Taylor should make every feminist hang their head in shame

http://imgur.com/LOwd6mp

How can you see this pic and be ok with that?

[–]Bbyybbbaby 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Surely I can't be the only one that thought that Matt's shirt is awesome. I loved the design.

[–]Luke666808g 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read tons of comics full of scantily clad women when I was in high school, and as you can imagine, I am now a raging misogynist because of it! Oh the psychological damage that has been wrought upon me! Don't be like me Internets, reject scantily clad women! Except real ones, real women wearing little more than duct tape and a belt are to be respected and applauded for their respectableness (regardless of any complete lack of accomplishments)

[–]frozen_strawberryEndorsed Woman 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I dont really get that sweater. isnt 'male tears' a euphemism for semen? and wouldnt bathing in semen mean she's being used by a whole bunch of guys and lets them?

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Lol bless you. No I think it means she enjoys mens pain.

[–]frozen_strawberryEndorsed Woman 3 points4 points  (4 children)

lol ok

not being a native english speaker i looked it up on urban dictionary after i posted (probably should start doing that before i post though) and they agree with me :D

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Well you may well be right and I may well have missed it because I'm old and not down with the kids :-)

Your English is great!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, you're right. The definition of it being semen was posted after the male tears meme was all over tumblr (thus turning the "joke" on the women that have male tears mugs. Clever.

[–]frozen_strawberryEndorsed Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you :)

and she probably missed it, too. or maybe it's just part of being strong and independent.

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea it was a humorous redefine, similar to what they did to santorum.

Was actually a euphemism for semen though in some country; wanna say it was sweden or polland. That's where the idea of doing that specific definition in english originally came from.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes

[–]StingrayVC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Mind if I steal that photo?

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nooo steal away lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (18 children)

Well, for one thing, Taylor was representing the ESA on television, whereas Valenti was on holiday representing nobody but herself. Nobody Some people still would have cared if he'd been wearing it out and about on in Cancun, but come on. The shirt is tacky as hell and not appropriate for the office.

[–]vintagegirlgame 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I think it's great that a guy like him can be covered in tattoos and wear whatever the heck he wants to work (at least according to his colleagues). Seems like a fun place to work for a scientist. Rock stars wear all sorts of ridiculousness. This guy is a rock star, albeit a nerdy one.

[–]missfidget 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This was my reaction as well. I have been alternately horrified, disgusted and furious over the backlash over his shirt. Unbelievable. His accomplishments are so unfathomable and inspirational that it pains me the focus is on anything but that. Leave it to that infallible feminist logic to find literally any agenda to appropriate at their whim!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

And when he's not acting as a public advocate for his organisation, you know what? Almost nobody that he's working with is going to give a fuck, and that's perfectly fine. However, when you are acting in a public facing role for your organisation, you are what the public sees. What you are wearing, what is shown to the camera, can reasonably be thought to represent the organisation.

Was the blame misplaced? Yes. The guy didn't mean to piss anyone off, and it wasn't even his fuck-up. I have no trouble believing that Taylor didn't think there'd be any problem with the shirt, but how did literally nobody else around him think to mention "Hey, that shirt isn't going to play well to a large part of the public"? Do they not employ a single PR person?

[–]AndrewAtrus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

PR doesn't help people land on comets.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Proper PR gets you the funding to get the guys who help people land on comets.

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

However, when you are acting in a public facing role for your organisation, you are what the public sees.

Yes just like Jessica Valenti the feminist you seem to want to defend who was "on vacation getting some pro mo shots"

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Valenti posted the picture on her personal twitter, if I recall correctly.

[–]TheTerrorSquadEndorsed Contributor 5 points6 points  (9 children)

No

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

The red pill is about dealing with the world as it is, rather than as you want it to be. Getting annoyed at feminists shaming a guy for representing his organisation in a way that they perceive to be misogynistic (which is entirely predictable, incidentally) is pretty much the same damn thing as beta men getting mad at female hypergamy.

[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor 4 points5 points  (7 children)

the world as it is.

Uhhhh the world doesn't consist of whiny, white feminists. His shirt was made by a female friend as a gift and he wanted to show it off and give his friend some exposure.

Besides, how can a fucking t-shirt be misogynistic? I mean, just last week people were celebrating Kim Kardashian's ass, saying it was liberating for women and shit, but now a shirt, made by a woman, with scantily-clad women, is suddenly misogynistic?????? Half-naked cartoon women are suddenly degrading to women?????

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Uhhhh the world doesn't consist of whiny, white feminists.

Not entirely, no, but they exist. This thread is about them, for instance. They're a known quantity that reacts to things in known ways.

I don't walk down dark alleyways at four AM counting fifties because I'm not an idiot. I wouldn't wear that shirt while doing customer facing PR work either.

Besides, how can a fucking t-shirt be misogynistic? I mean, just last week people were celebrating Kim Kardashian's ass, saying it was liberating for women and shit

Okay, two things.

a) I'm not saying that the shirt is misogynistic, I'm saying that the shirt is (predictably) perceived to be misogynistic by many feminists because of the context that it was worn in. I really only think it's incredibly ugly.

b) People who were celebrating Kim Kardashian's ass weren't celebrating the ass itself(though I certainly will if you know whatImean), they were celebrating Kim being able to make choices about her herself, about her body, and to be able to put that out there in the public sphere. A shirt, art, is not a person; art is a representation of what someone thinks about something, and thoughts can certainly be misogynistic. Literally nobody Matt Taylor met that morning thought to tell him that some people would find his shirt offensive: does that tell us anything about the culture of the ESA?

For contrast, imagine that in a waiting room for a lawyers office there was a lesbian porn calender. Would that tell you anything about how the people working there think of women?

Please note that this is not my thinking on the subject; I'm only giving you a more accurate idea of what the other side of the conversation is actually thinking.

[–]IncipioMutatio 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Literally nobody Matt Taylor met that morning thought to tell him that some people would find his shirt offensive: does that tell us anything about the culture of the ESA?

Yes, it tells us that they're adults with a meritocracy mindset and that their parents raised them properly ... i.e. taught them what matters and what fucking doesn't, to not let what other people do bother you if it's not hurting you (that shirt literally hurt no one and people can shove their feelz up their collective asses because everyone everywhere will get upset by something out of their control. Adults shrug it off and get on with their day to day, femi.. children on the other hand, well, you know...) and to accept people for who they are. FFS.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes, it tells us...

That's what it tells you, yes. Different people interpret a situation in different ways.

[–]IncipioMutatio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, those people whose parents did a shit job. If this shirt bothers someone they're a weak little ponce that I wouldn't trust to water my grass. The world is full of offense and disappointment. If someone can't handle a shirt with scantily clad women on the day of one of mankinds greatest achievements , dare I say do us all a favor and just curl up, go to sleep and don't wake up because you are in effect, useless and in fact detrimental & burdensome.

edit: When I say you I don't mean YOU personally; You don't seem to have a problem with this whole thing, but rather I mean the professional & otherwise chronic victims out there with 0 perspective and 100% self absorbtion.

[–]TheToastTotEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So... You're saying that Matt Taylor deserved what he got because of what he wore? Like, if a woman gets raped because she was wearing skimpy clothes, it's HER fault because she chose to wear those clothes?

Also, THE FUCKING T SHIRT ITSELF ISN'T EVEN OFFENSIVE. NO ONE TOLD HIM TO CHANGE BECAUSE NO ONE OVER THERE, A PLACE FULL OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON EARTH, THOUGHT IT WAS OFFENSIVE.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So... You're saying that Matt Taylor deserved what he got because of what he wore? Like, if a woman gets raped because she was wearing skimpy clothes, it's HER fault because she chose to wear those clothes?

I have no information to suggest that women are more likely to be raped based upon their outfit.

On the other hand, if a woman was beaten because she walked through a black neighborhood in a KKK getup while chanting "DEATH TO NIGGERS", I absolutely would think that she was asking for it.

Also, THE FUCKING T SHIRT ITSELF ISN'T EVEN OFFENSIVE.

To you.

NO ONE TOLD HIM TO CHANGE BECAUSE NO ONE OVER THERE, A PLACE FULL OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON EARTH, THOUGHT IT WAS OFFENSIVE.

We've all known men and women who are very intelligent, yet socially retarded. Being able to land a probe on a comet doesn't mean that you're capable of getting a date, for instance.

[–]aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep defending their right to be offended. I agree that they have the right to be offended, just like everyone else has the right to not give a fuck that they are offended.

[–]trphardmode 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The shirt is tacky as hell and not appropriate for the office.

You obviously don't work in engineering if you think there are any shirts too tacky for the office.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I'm tired of these armchair, clickbait "feminists" promoting the fantasy that there is a "war on women" unless a woman can get blackout, puke-spraying drunk and lie on the ground naked with her legs spread and get 100% respect, 0% sexual assault

[–]noPTSDformePlease 11 points12 points  (3 children)

oh man this article is FULL of gold!

It’s not just women who are hurt by feminist bullies. Everyone is. That’s because human relationships are harmed in the toxic outrage culture. The very perpetuation of humanity relies on men and women getting along well. People who stoke resentment and anger between the sexes, or create false claims about women’s oppression, are making it more difficult for happy, healthy, human relationships to flourish.

its almost like the author read all the redpill threads, then turned it into an article.

No offense (or be offended, I don’t care) but people with gender studies degrees don’t land spacecraft on flying comets.

ha ha

It honestly may have always been this way, but there’s no disputing that right now American feminism is a tangled mess of double standards, Puritanical policing of men’s behavior, fascist speech codes, and petty grievances. It’s in a state of constant outrage.

well, thefederalist.com is sort of a .... biased... source, but its crucial to note that they are right: feminism has finally crossed the line. Most people are willing to put up with their shit, but not when it smells THIS bad.

they dun fukked up.

But the one thing most of us should be able to agree on is that feminist bullies are damaging civil society. We must stand up to them if we don’t want them to harm it any further. We shouldn’t be bossed around by people who constantly whine, manufacture outrage and offense, and cull the internet for things to be upset about.

interesting frame she is using here: she isn't attacking feminism in general, the author is attacking feminist bullies. This makes the anti-feminist argument more palatable to the general public. This is a good tactic, actually, and we should learn from it.

lesson learned: don't target feminism: target feminist bullies. everyone hates bullies.

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[–]Luke666808g 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Feminism sucks, sure, but the point wasn't that feminism is okay except for the bullies, the point was to use tactics for getting people on your side.

If people are ego invested in feminism, and you're trying to convince them it's a load of bullshit, you won't have much luck, but if you target the bullies they might just trace the bread crumbs back to their misandric origin, and THEN reject feminism outright, after all, 3rd law of power: "hide your intentions".

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[–]StingrayVC 18 points19 points  (2 children)

The first comment on the article:

“This is the sort of casual misogyny that stops women from entering certain scientific fields. They see a guy like that on TV and they don’t feel welcome.”

Yes, and this is the sort of casual stupidity that stops women from entering certain journalistic fields. They see ridiculous article on Verge and they don't feel welcome, as they are not incoherent dimwits.

Feminists really do believe that women are weak and cannot function without their help. Yet, continue to spew Strong! Independent! It's absurd.

And they think we are the misogynists.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I think it's hilarious that there is this entire generation of single moms talking about how "strong" and "independent" they are, all while if they weren't collecting welfare, WIC, and food stamps, they'd be starving in the street.

The liberals really have fucked everything up with this well-meaning "tolerance". The words brave, strong, independent. . they mean nothing anymore. Brave used to mean you took a bullet in the war defending your country. Now it means you flash your baboon ass on the cover of a magazine or prancing around in a dress when you have a dick between your legs. Strong used to mean that you kept your legs together until marriage and sacrificed for your children. Now it means you have 4 kids from 3 different guys but managed to stay off drugs for awhile. The most baffling is that independent used to mean not depending on someone. Now it means completely depending on the government.

[–]aguy01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ever read the book 1984? It's about an oppressive government that redefines language so that flattering words are used to describe things that are terrible in reality. The author calls it 'doublespeak' and it is the sword of politicians. Lots of people benefit from the path the world has been set on.

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[–]Bbyybbbaby 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My husband has a very smart way of dealing with them. He tends to troll them to a point where they end up making a scene and thus making themselves seem stupid.

We encountered one whilst out one night and he did that and she ended up being kicked out whilst everyone was saying what a crazy bitch she was. Everyone cheered after she left too. She was trying to start something with my husband but then he flipped it on her. May be childish but was awesome to see.

Honestly the louder they scream the more people are going to start ignoring them and realise the craziness

[–]Dehns 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My husband has a very smart way of dealing with them. He tends to troll them to a point where they end up making a scene and thus making themselves seem stupid.

Best thing you can give an ignorant nut job is a soap box and a megaphone so everyone can see and hear how stupid they are. This is a key part of free speech.

[–]Dehns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My husband has a very smart way of dealing with them. He tends to troll them to a point where they end up making a scene and thus making themselves seem stupid.

Best thing you can give an ignorant nut job is a soap box and a megaphone so everyone can see and hear how stupid they are. This is a key part of free speech.

[–]IncipioMutatio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

@article

Hear, fucking, hear.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women and girls are able to navigate life quite well, thank you very much, and it’s actually easier when women aren’t constantly talking about how supposedly oppressed we are. We’re not. I mean, sure, everyone in life has troubles. None of those troubles, for the vast majority of women, include “seeing a dude wear a shirt while discussing how he just landed a spaceship on a literal freaking comet.”

yup