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METACommitment or GTFO! Guide for men considering posting in Red Pill Women. (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M]

Recently, the Red Pill Women forum relaxed the standards which evolved toward a de-facto ban on male participation in this sub. Many useful perspectives have been added to the conversation, but notice we said relaxed standards, NOT lax standards. Of the posts coming to the attention of the moderators, a few are truely awful, while many are quite well intentioned, but miss the mark badly. Posting on RPW when you're a man isn't something you can treat line a one-night stand; we ask that you participate with the seriousness of a competent Captain.

Commitment or GTFO! Men: invest time learning about this community of women before posting.

We don't recommend most men casually post on RedPillWomen, because a lot of them aren't very good at it. You're always welcome to lurk and read, but if you're going to participate, your familiarity with the norms and values of this sub should be apparent when you post. The best way to avoid a difficult entry to this space is to STFU, lurk, and read until you feel you're able to engage this community smoothly.

Our mod policy no longer automatically removes male posters and aims to provide better feedback when mod actions are needed on their repairable posts. However, it's not the job of RPW to train and groom new male posters to our sub on an individual basis; moderating already takes away time for our own original content writing. This post is intended to help you broadly understand what to do and not do here. We are willing to provide useful feedback to well-formulated questions for those obviously making the effort on their end; if this is you feel free to contact the moderators.


Common problems you can avoid

  • RPW is a female space; we don't seek a Fight Club environment when we share ideas and advice. While Red Pill Truths are often tough to hear, our delivery methods emphasize compassion and empathy, without becoming overly harsh, stern, or scolding.

  • Posts must include actionable advice. Low-effort, drive-by remarks don't add to the discussion no matter who posts them. A really short remark that is totally on-point is fine; the bar is a little higher for male posters. If a post is near the borderline for any other rules, lack of useful advice will seal its fate.

  • Check your anger at the door. Whether anger is a phase, or yours is justified, is moot here. It's pretty shallow and obvious when you project your personal frustrations on the RPW community, and not at all helpful when you do things like hector a poster as if she personally destroyed Marriage 2.0.

  • No male-centric advice or discussion. Your comments and advice must be useful and relevant to women, as determined by women. Avoid becoming an example of male human solipsism by giving advice that's an obvious disadvantage to the female, or how she can change to better meet your personal standards.

  • Your gender is almost always irrelevant. Using the phrase "As a man..." is considered a faux pas. You can now make your own custom flair that will indicate your gender, but don't write about it in your post.

  • We don't care about your plates! Red Pill Women are almost all interested in a relationship with one man that they look up to. Women don't need advice or strategy to obtain sex without commitment. That's why discussion of plate strategy is off topic and against posting rules here. Mentioning your plates even in passing is rude, and takes away from the gravitas of whatever your message was.

  • Don't come here to spit mad Red Pill Truths. We know TRP theory from the female perspective already. Writing out a poster's predicted future history in the second person is creepy, and it derails the discussion for OP to have to respond how wildly wrong you got it. Swallowing the pill and unplugging is life changing, we understand. That said, don't make this sub an early stop on your journey to spread your newfound Red Pill Wings. We appreciate men who are Captain material, not Captain Obvious.

  • Mind your language. While we are not prudes, women using swear words or crude phrases is vanishingly rare here. 90% of the time, they are posted by men, which shows a bad lack of situational awareness. There have been some rather unpleasant examples recently; would you choose this language if you were discussing your sister/niece/cousin's first boyfriend over Thanksgiving dinner? Captain of a pirate ship isn't hitting the mark, either.

  • RPW is NOT your flirting ground! Nothing creeps out and drives away our users like unsolicited flirting PMs from impossibly mismatched guys. This will not only get you banned from this sub, you'll come to the attention of the head of the entire Red Pill Network. This isn't a lounge; Captain Morgan, GTFO.

  • Don't pet the unicorns. Some of the most cringe-worthy posts include fawning admiration of "the lovely ladies" here. Comments like these also do not help to build our environment of humility and self improvement. (AWALT!) Beware, we can do something much worse than remove such posts: we might leave them posted!

  • Don't bother trying to AMOG the mod team or invoke freedom of speech. This is an internet forum- OUR internet forum; as such it is governed more like a benevolent dictatorship than a Democracy. This should be well known to internet posters, but it comes up all the time when mods have to take action. Red Pill Women are not TRP fangirls; the mods won't stand by submissively if someone breaks the rules or insults our members.

  • RPW isn't for men to ask advice of women. In most cases, your question belongs in AskTRP and will get you better answers. Don't ask a fish how to catch fish; ask a fisherman. Questions of general interest to men and women may fit here, message the mods if you're not sure. PurplePillDebate is where you should go to poll for opinions from men and women, or pick brains about how RP theory applies to one gender or the other.


    The Positives: toward better male involvement.

  • The BEST male posts on RPW almost always come from older, more mature posters and derive from their actual life experience, as opposed to repeating ideas they've only read about on the internet. If you're not seasoned at dating and living with women, you're flat-out not ready to be offering them advice. Those who are, thank you for sharing with us your relevant experience.

  • Small adjustments can often make a big difference. For example, using SO in place of GF or wife when gender is irrelevent, or remembering to keep a gentler tone like you're addressing your own sister, daughter, or niece.

  • Use your own best judgement: Is your post helpful for this community? Before you hit the post button, look it over and make sure it includes useful, actionable advice for women written in a way that is appealing to the established readership here.

  • Our mod policy strives to be inclusive and just; we're working for the good of the forum and want to work with you. If we give you a warning or temporary ban, that's actually good news because it means we see potential in your writing, and are automatically giving you another chance. Keep this in mind when processing and responding to the mod action. Our Moderator door is always open, feel free to message us if you honestly don't fully understand why your post was moderated or have any questions.

  • Post in AskTRP and TRP or the associated men's subs. Lots of women lurk and read there. To be the most interesting man on RedPillWomen, don't post often, but when you do, make it very on-point and helpful as a competent Captain would.

  • All users: Use the REPORT link if you see a problem post. This will bring it to the attention of the moderators quickly, and keep our discussions productive and on track.

Bottom line: It takes commitment to become a good male Red Pill Women poster.

Men are able to participate, just don't forget that this is ultimately a women's sub, so if you're going to engage it, do so appropriately.


[–]JackGetsItEndorsed Contributor 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I'm glad RPW has taken this position. It shows that the sub values outside input and logic. Something many other female moderated subs do not.

[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Username checks out. Props for being one of the quality occasional male posters.

[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Reposting 11/27 due to a rise in low quality and off-topic material being posted lately by men, resulting in complaints from our members. Please continue to use the report button if you see a post that you don't think is appropriate for our sub. We may not respond to every report with immediate action, but we do monitor patterns of complaints and problems.

For the time being, the Mod Team will be removing more borderline posts, so male posters: bring only your best or nothing at all.

[–][deleted]  (5 children)

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[–]LuckyLittleStarModerator | Lil'Star 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No problem. =)

I'm glad you came back, and that you feel welcome here.

[–]WhisperTRP Founder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Go to this sub.. read and figure out where to find these women in the wild.

While this is good advice for any man who's not totally uninterested in the possibility of any sort of LTR, I think we can agree that the societal problems with marriage are deeper than "picked the wrong woman", and that "picking the right woman" is not a total solution.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its definetly not a total solution, but not one solution is absolute. And finding the right partner is a major part of lasting relationship. Especially, sadly, these days. Maybe Im getting old, but I never thought I would actually envy a pakistani tribesman on his society, and I do, some days.

[–]Holographic8Universe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm only a few months into the Red Pill but I think I can address your point...

If TRP is any indication, most men's alpha tendencies point in the Bull direction and that how the majority of the advice there is structured. They consider Bull alpha to be the most desirable male archetype.

This sub, in contrast, has the Wolf alpha as the most desirable male archetype because it is focused on securing commitment/marriage. There is fundamental difference of opinion on what kind of man is the best man between the two subs.

Even when we are limited to guys talking to other guys, Wolf alpha types will never see eye to eye with Bull types because we honestly want different things from life.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It always does come down to commitment, fellas! :P

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad for this repost. I've seen several "as a man" posts that are clearly coming from men who are still interested in spinning plates, which is of little to no use to anyone here.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (2 children)

plate strategy

May I ask for a bit of explanation? Not a native english speaker here, and im not familiar with the term ;

[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No problem, there's quite a learning curve even for an English major.

Here's an article about plates that explains the concept in detail, it refers to the circus act of spinning plates on sticks and is a metaphor RP men use for dating multiple women nonexclusively.

In the sidebar you can find a link to the list of Red Pill acronyms. and on the main TRP page the full glossary of Manosphere terms.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks :)

[–]ElfFey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love it. Needed to be said. Thank you.

[–]aanarchist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

are poop jokes out of the question? ...please???

i don't think telling people not to amog will do anything cuz trp has already told them that if they so much as show a single ounce of beta at any instance in their life, they're going to be cuckolded by his wife, and it's going to be an unemployed black guy with a 2 foot cock that she does it with. not amoging is taboo in 2016, hell i can't post an opinion or share a thought without some sadcunt trying to tell me my mom is fat or some other nonsense.

that being said, lets make america great again :D

by the way when you say male centric advice, does that include how to make a man happy? it's like ok fine sexual strategy and all that, but i figure things like here is what warms a man's heart, do this, is centered around the male, but is ultimately in the female's best interest is it not?

also, how do you feel about like, the alternative medicine version of trp? there's a lot of women who don't seem like they can really deal with the raw math of trp, they don't want to quantify a human life and treat it like a game, same deal with men and that's why they go mgtow or buy into that purple stuff. some of the shit i say to people isn't red pill, and i frankly believe it's better than red pill. religion existed because nihilism is too depressing and people need something intangible to hold on to, like faith, people like believing in something greater, and the cold nature of the red pill isn't for everyone. it's not blue pill because it doesn't just feed you bullshit, maybe an equivalent way to describe it would be a white pill. there's stories in the bible that are very relevant and can be used to ones benefit, you just have to apply them properly. people tend to learn better with stories, analogies and metaphors than with raw mathematical breakdowns of a situation, which is basically the red pill. math is only fun when you're doing more with it than writing equations, like building tables, architecture.

[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

(Sigh...) Enable contest mode... "Which bullet points were written with 'I'm looking at YOU, /u/aanarchist!' in mind?"