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METAWho Are the Women of Red Pill? Vice wrote an article. (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by funny_lyfe

Man here, saw this on Vice today. Just thought you all should see it.

Edit: New archive link

http://archive.is/oybLW


[–]VigilantRedRoosterModerator[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (10 children)

This is EXACTLY why we warn our members to be cautious about accepting interviews from the media. They behave much like concern trolls, pretending to care, when it's only a pretext to gather information to complete what has already been decided to be a slam piece.

Here is what she wrote to me when I expressed our skepticism about her intentions.

Thank you for your response! I’m sorry it took me a little while to get back to you; I’m new to Reddit and am struggling with the entire format of it all. How is the Manosphere, as celebrated on Reddit, different to what it is the men that Jaye interviewed were protesting for?

I understand and respect your skepticism. I genuinely wish not to be disingenuous. Whilst my original piece was focused almost exclusively around interviewing a member of your community, I have spent the last few days doing a fairly extensive bit of research into your way of thinking and I’m genuinely curious as to whether or not it can comfortably apply to me.

So - with full disclosure - the premise of my article will now be something along the lines of: what it’s like living as a RPW for a week, and seeing how my happiness, and overall life changed as a result.

You will see with my portfolio that I am quite specifically a feminist writer (www.madisongriffiths.tumblr.com/articles). Whilst you might find that off-putting, I think it’s a perfect opportunity for me to compare both ways of life. I have spoken to my partner, and he is happy to partake as well. Therefore, I require little to no personal information off you or any of your members - just assistance, per se. I’m going to study your forums, and see how I can apply those rules into my everyday life.

Thank you for your time, and know that I’m going to approach this with sensitivity and curiousity.

[–]Gardrothard 42 points43 points  (10 children)

More angry feminist -> more good, kind, intelligent and high value guys for us. I love feminism.

[–]i_have_a_semicolon 22 points23 points  (9 children)

Unless they're so jaded they don't believe we exist.

[–]LifeHasLag 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I think I've been called a unicorn twice now, cautiously. I used to think a unicorn was a girl with everything; looks like Emma Watson, speaks like a princess, submissive, vulnerable but in control of herself with a squeaky clean past and good family.

We're not sparkling and jumping rainbows for all to see, but we're around. Legend has it that unicorns are near impossible to catch and are not easily spotted. I'm a fantasy nerd and sort of like the analogy.

[–]deathbypurple 3 points4 points  (4 children)

The Last Unicorn : is something between a goat and a deer, but more refined and prettier... ordinary people only see a white mare though.

just being utterly off topic

[–]LifeHasLag 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The analogy goes deep xD

To add: I truly think most of the RP guys are in such disbelief because we do not run in the same circles, they never notice. RPW steer clear of RP men and RP men steer clear of RPW. Encountering each other in the wild is like a deer hunter and a plain mare. Hunter barely notices her as prey, mare doesn't trust a random hunter and keeps her distance.

[–]Willow-girl 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It's funny that RP men refer to desirable women as "unicorns" when the mythical beasts are actually quite phallic, aren't they? :-D

[–]deathbypurple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please stop :D I now google various unicorn themed items and analyse them like freud's faithful disciple :D Unicorn tapestries for example :D noo

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. We refer to perfect women as unicorns, which means

  • 1) this is subjective to the man
  • 2) we know better than to give up everything to find it.

So I can only speak for me. The only women I ltr are RP. And blatantly so. It's a treat to meet you gals! Hell. I'd love to marry my unicorn. But it hasn't happened yet.

[–]MarquisDePaid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Statistically its more likely just to find a chick who's "good enough" personality wise and slowly lead her to the redpill.

But ya jaded men are def out there. They sometimes annoy me but I also get why they exist.

[–]IVIaskerade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Even the jaded ones can recognise a woman who has lots of desirable traits.

[–]i_have_a_semicolon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not always.

[–]radioactivities9 39 points40 points  (8 children)

Terribly misconstrued and biased as expected. Just some author virtue signalling how much she cares and knows about women's rights and responsibilities at heart.

[–]Landry86 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Bad article. I just wasted some time at work reading it too. Yuck.

[–]radioactivities9 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Least you got paid to read it.

Snarky me did enjoy sticking my thumb to my nose at reading it.

[–]Landry86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hahaha

[–]GayLubeOilTRP Senior Endorsed 4 points5 points  (3 children)

If Madison Griffiths is going to attack women for their appearance and use them as a slam piece, maybe she's not a Feminist maybe she is a Red Piller?

[–]radioactivities9 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Insults do often show what people most value.

It is a good 'any good publicity' stunt and her vegetarian philosophy sounds like a clever crypto-slander satire of feminism too! It's all richer than Sheryl Sandberg.

[–]GayLubeOilTRP Senior Endorsed 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I sometimes wonder if there are Feminist Hair salons that we don't know about. And if so did Madison Griffiths go into one of these salons sit down in a chair and say: Give me the I Hate Men please.

Also my Girlfriend is stronger than her Boyfriend

[–]radioactivities9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't have a scorched-earth policy partnership with a man she can't beat in an arm-wrestle. She probably has him do weekly weigh-ins to make sure he stays in her weight class.

[–]lolahaze11 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Vice is liberal media. I'm not surprised it came out this way...

[–]artsyluna 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't think an article about RPW really matters to us since we're anonymous anyway. The writer is free to make an interpretation however she sees fit, whether we see it as disingenuous or not. The proof is in the pudding; as long as these strategies work for us, they are worth sticking to. Her opinion on the matter is of little concern.

[–]testmypatience 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Woman I reached out was careful and reluctant to talk with me. "In general, the only interest we see from writers is in gathering material for a hit piece," one said.

The article says this early on which is hilarious because that is exactly what the author of the article did.

Perhaps there is some comfort in convincing oneself that you aren't an oppressed person. That, in order to avoid sexual assault, for example, you can just be more responsible.

Not sure why people say you are blaming a victim when they had things they could do to prevent their situation. You don't leave your car or home unlocked and just blame criminals for stealing your stuff. You don't walk in a bad part of town with fancy clothes on or flashing cash and then blame the criminals for mugging them. You don't go to a foreign place that is known to have tons of pick pockets and then get mad at the pick pockets because they stole your stuff.

You would instead lock your car and home, not walk around dressed fancy and flashing cash in a bad neighborhood, and would secure your pocket stuff in a pickpocket safe way using the appropriate under shirt wallet or whatever else you need to do to stay protected.

A person must minimize their danger on their own. You can't just assume bad people are going to be good people just because you bitch at them to be or threaten them with a prison sentence.

Speaking candidly with Lauren—a proud member of the Red Pill Woman community—only proved something I already knew: there is no right way to be a woman.

There is however best practices that are going to give you the best results on average compared to going the other routes.

[–]valleycupcake 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well... You do blame the criminal for his own actions, but you also acknowledge the role played by the victim's carelessness.

[–]Gardrothard 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Not sure why people say you are blaming a victim when they had things they could do to prevent their situation. You don't leave your car or home unlocked and just blame criminals for stealing your stuff. You don't walk in a bad part of town with fancy clothes on or flashing cash and then blame the criminals for mugging them. You don't go to a foreign place that is known to have tons of pick pockets and then get mad at the pick pockets because they stole your stuff.

You would instead lock your car and home, not walk around dressed fancy and flashing cash in a bad neighborhood, and would secure your pocket stuff in a pickpocket safe way using the appropriate under shirt wallet or whatever else you need to do to stay protected.

Common sense that somehow disappeared somewhere...

[–]akanachan 19 points20 points  (4 children)

What a hilarious myopic article!

RedPillWomen preaches an old-fashioned approach to relationships. Like, archaic. "RedPillWomen… advise that unless you want to have sex with a man, try to [engage only in] dates that are not conducive to sexual activities," Lauren explains.

The article's author says this, as if being old-fashioned is a bad thing lol

I have enough experience with LTRs (relationships ranging from 1 year to 6 years) and dating in general, to confidently say being firmly old-fashioned is how I have avoided the problems that are plaguing other women my age.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Doing things besides sex on dates is old-fashioned??? What about this is how couples get to know each other as people and not just walking genitalia? That was the dumbest line I've read in an article.

[–]akanachan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think it was a reference about holding off sex for an extended amount of time? I don't know, I can only guess lol

Old fashioned for me is holding off on sex much longer than "the social norm" (to the point where potential partners wander off, which is fine by me), and having expectations for the guy to be a gentleman (instead of a pushy posturing "stud"). I only pay for myself in dates when I want to end things, or when I have no intention to reciprocate anything.

I notice the trend now is to get freebies from guys you have no intention of having any relationship with. Seems too much effort to me -- I'd save a lot more time buying stuff I want myself, and a lot less drama in my life too.

[–]valleycupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, like if you don't want a haircut, don't go to a salon and sit in the chair.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Apparrently wanting to wait until you fully love someone and trust them is so old fashioned! Gee whiz!

Feminism is an actual joke. If they think that personal happiness and success means mindless sex, I feel bad for them.

[–]Banincoming 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Use archive.is. Don't give clicks to these scum who hate you.

[–]funny_lyfe[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You are right. Next time I will.

[–]scarletoarah 20 points21 points  (3 children)

"There is nothing edgy or revolutionary about the sentiments celebrated by Red Pill Women. They are, largely, a group of women who only superficially understand the intentions of the gender equality movement. That's it." - She sounds so young and completely ignorant that equality does not mean sameness. It means to have respect for the person in front of you no matter who they are or how they live because their experience is equal to yours, despite not being the same. The author has a lot to learn about life.

[–]okaygirl123 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She probably is only in her 20s or so, the right age for all this stuff.

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    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's what I was saying yesterday--idc how hot she is, she's a snake at the core lol.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    I remember this tool contacting me awhile back for her article. I'm glad I declined to be interviewed. You should read some of her other stuff. It's equally cringe-inducing.

    [–]funny_lyfe[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    I am a silent lurker. The article was pretty bad, get prepared to get a bunch of feminist infiltration to change the narrative. Especially if the article can get any traction.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I don't think they'll bother. TRP is well-known on Reddit.

    [–]imanewwoman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    nd, because those contributing to the hateful discussion on RedPillWomen are indeed women, their input gives men permission to continue to abuse, mock and humiliate women who speak out against it.

    curiously she never mentions one of the most frequent advice in here: learn your value and never put up with men who abuse, mock, or humilliate you 😅...............

    [–]NikoMyshkin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wonder why she seems to have forgotten to mention that.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–]RedPillJohnny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    goyimettes

    lol. don't you mean "shiksas"? I like your version better!

    [–]prettylittledictator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Heh.

    [–]ElfFey 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    This article made me so angry! A couple of years ago I felt very depressed and confused; several things converged in my life around the same time to lead me out of it, and one of those was RPW. RP gave me the most valuable tool which was to understand that I am in control of my life.

    I know what it is like not to feel welcome in a feminist space and rpw functions as a place for female empowerment.

    This idea that RPW is "a online home for thousands of defeated women jealous of that girl at their high school with impeccably long legs" is demonstrably false, and unfortunately for you Ms. Griffiths I have extremely nice legs.

    [–]Willow-girl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I don't have great gams -- I'm only 5'2" -- but I had no trouble getting male attention in high school! :-D

    [–]amethyst92 9 points10 points  (7 children)

    This comment about her ( http://imgur.com/a/BMWva ) on another 'article' of hers pretty much sums her up. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3770177/Melbourne-feminist-vegan-Madison-Griffiths-refuses-eat-meat.html)

    This, ladies, is what happens when you sincerely have nothing of value to contribute to society besides 'think pieces' that take zero thought and don't help anyone think. I'm considering writing her a message letting her know that her work has zero integrity...

    [–]akanachan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Fed-up with being treated like a piece of meat, a Melbourne artist has gone vegetarian in the name of feminism.

    Madison Griffiths, 22, refuses to eat meat as a way to protest male attitudes towards the 'consumption of women'.

    She says she has become a vegetarian in a stance of solidarity between women and animals – both of which are seen by men as 'appetising conquests'.

    What kind of cannibals have she been dating?

    Also, why is she equating women to animals?

    That's beyond hilarious.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

    That's what bothered me the most, I think. The complete lack of "journalistic" integrity.

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      [–]Willow-girl 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I used to be an editor and I agree -- it's pretty weak, the kind of stuff I'd expect from an intern.

      Oh, the days of editing interns' copy, lol. There are some things I don't miss about my former life ...

      [–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I was going to say, if she's 22 and publishing this, she's probably an intern.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's interesting to hear your perspective of someone that works in media. It's exactly like an essay from a high school student lol.

      [–]HelloNeo 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      Honestly, who cares? Just seek your own happiness. Those who truly understand and follow RP principles needn't worry about what others say. If you're happy, or happier than before RP, why would you allow someone's ignorant opinion on TRP get to you? This post and article are unnecessary. Creates unnecessary stress, friction, and drama.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Exactly. This article changes nothing. It's hard to believe anyone is out there actively promoting themselves as a RPW or RPM for a stranger to get self-righteous about anyway. Just be the change, don't discuss it (cheesy cliche but true).

      [–]glitterchild 8 points9 points  (10 children)

      I just don't get why people are so hateful toward people they don't even know. This article blows me away. :(

      [–]NikoMyshkin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Feminism: fighting for women's right to choose for themselves (except when choosing something other than feminism).

      [–]throwmeawaiiii 0 points1 point  (8 children)

      how do you feel about nazis (including ones you don't even know)?

      [–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      They're sooooooo old fashioned. It's 2017 for Petes sake. Nazi rights need to be modernized.

      [–]throwmeawaiiii 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      obviously you aren't paying attention to the updated fashy haircuts

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      are you saying there are politically correct haircuts?

      [–]throwmeawaiiii 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      not what i was saying, but yes, of course there are

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Okay... your mention of Nazi's in one comment then fashion haircuts in another comment reminded me of the Jezebell article condemning men for getting what they outrageously claim are Nazi inspired haircuts.

      [–]throwmeawaiiii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "fashy" as in fascist -- i didn't see the jezebel article, but they are probably referencing the same phenomenon (google "richard spencer haircut"). jezebel isn't inventing this link; the haircut, like the term "fashy," is an alt right meme. shouldn't be taken too literally, but the connection is real enough to joke about.

      [–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      There's only two types of haircuts. Get with the program!

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I need to read the sidebar more often...

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I do think that the tides are slowly turning, I'm in a large local group on facebook and regularly see people with their real names and faces making fun of feminists. I used to be afraid of speaking out against these thousands of idiots because they have went out of their way to destroy people's lives. Now I regularly reference the White Feather Campaign and the story of Erin Pizzey.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

      Because those contributing to the hateful discussion on RedPillWomen are indeed women, their input gives men permission to continue to abuse, mock and humiliate women who speak out against it.

      If a woman wants to participate in some good old fashioned misogyny, she has every right.

      Even the best of intentions get screwed up "Lauren". You tried, but you would have been doing the community a bigger favor by not talking to her at all.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      hateful discussion

      literally all our posts are about love

      Well, this boils my kettle. It's one thing to say our method isn't for them, it's quite another to imply that we're hateful people who praise some omnipotent patriarchal boogeyman because we don't buy into their shitty explanation of gender 'equality'. Annoying. This is annoying.

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      We're all brain washed, didn't you know?!

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      It's really been a while since I've seen a hateful discussion here. On RP yes, but on RPW?

      [–]teaandtalk4 Stars 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Someone else would have done it, people love to feel important.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's true.

      [–]radioactivities9 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Wouldnt be surprised if the author made Lauren up. Hence lack of quotes.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Good point

      [–]radioactivities9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Chad will be so upset when he finds out he didn't get mentioned at all. Chad lost out to LMR. That's a first. Chad always beats LMR.

      [–]crownoffeathers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I am very new to this sub but I do frequently see anti-woman comments (usually insisting RPW be a certain way, and if they're not, they're not red pill and should be dismissed). They are usually deleted or downvoted quite promptly, but they still dilute the core message which seems to be of self-awareness and self-improvement.

      [–]bowie747 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Is this kind of like how "The Red Pill" movie was all about men's right activists?

      I used to like Vice when they were independent. They've completely cucked out now.

      [–]NikoMyshkin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      At least link to an archived copy so as to not give them revenue.

      [–]deathbypurple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That article on women being the same as animals or something is so disgusting. Animals are animals, people are people... and the reasoning, Freud must be spinning in his grave... she must be very damaged in the head...

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      [–]teaandtalk4 Stars 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Way to devalue your opinion by attacking the author's looks.

      [–]AlphaWeaboo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Well she is quite the hypocrite, she is the first one to use looks to critcize people.

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                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

                    Are you suggesting there are no human beings on this planet more attractive than her? Forgive me if I misunderstood your question.

                    And no that's not what RPW is about. Maybe you should stick around and find out what this subreddit actually is.

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                      [–]theScarlettWomanModerator | Scarlett[M] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      We do NOT allow the sharing of personal information of this sub. This is your only warning. Do not solicit personal info about people!

                      [–]Boobear3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      I thought it was ok because people post about their weight and stuff on here. My bad

                      [–]theScarlettWomanModerator | Scarlett[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      It is not, we have a pretty strict anonymity rule here due to the sensitive nature of our sub.

                      [–]funny_lyfe[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                      Bahahahha.

                      [–]Princessmarijayne -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                      Why do u all just want to be a trophy for fucking. I don't understand. You are all capable of being strong, independent women who can do things themselves. I don't get it. How are you bettering yourselves by becoming submissive to your mans needs.

                      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                      We are strong, independent women who choose to put our trust in our significant others. It's not as complicated as you think.

                      [–]Princessmarijayne 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      I mean I trust my SO, but I would never let me talk to me the way TRP mean speak about their girlfriends or wives. What is TRPW doing for you that makes it so wonderful?

                      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      We discourage members from dating TRP men. Check out the side-bar.