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INSIGHTFULGo figure... traditional roles leads to less divorce. (self.RedPillWomen)

submitted by iwishiwasamermaid

http://www.medicaldaily.com/more-chores-husband-does-more-likely-marriage-will-end-divorce-242815

Excuse the hamstering in there about it being because career women are independent enough to leave.


[–]always-be-closing 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Female virginity and marital stability:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089?seq=1#fndtn-page_scan_tab_contents

http://www.jstor.org/stable/352992?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17307304


Male vs Female mate preference around fertility and money:

http://www.psy.cmu.edu/~rakison/BussSexDifferencesinHuman.pdf

http://home.uchicago.edu/~ghitsch/Hitsch-Research/Guenter_Hitsch_files/Mate-Preferences.pdf


You can keep going: it's not accidental or coincidental that almost all men prefer young girlish females over older more masculine women, it's not accidental or coincidental that almost all women prefer aggressive, taller men over softer, lowly stature men - - nor that their ovulation cycle (or chemical copy of it based on birth control use) alters that, it's not accidental or coincidental that women's fertility is a monthly affair, and men's potency is a matter of hours (and the presence of new females cuts that down further), it's not accidental or coincidental that women have more orgasms with wealthier men, and that orgasm aids pregnancy.

ETC

As it turns out, almost every single "traditional" culture didn't accidentally and coincidentally converge on the same kind of ideas about women and men.

Civilization; our religions, our cultural norms, our social rituals, is an exercise to promote cooperative peace and abundance where there would otherwise be brutal competition and scarcity.

Degeneracy - even if it is aided by the further passage of time or technology - is that which leads us from this.

Agriculture is a civilized act: we are no longer bound by the earth when it comes to feeding people.

The first caveman to grow food instead of scavenging or relying on berry picking, drove civilization further. Taming the beasts to be domesticated tools of labor and companions to guard our food, drove civilization further. Roman horrea, the refrigerator, the ard plough, the combine harvester - - these are marks of civilization.

The fast food lane and seamless delivery? The corn subsidy and the obesity epidemic?

Degeneracy

There's a reason grandma thinks less of you if you cannot cook for a man and keep a home, there's a reason grandpa thinks less of us if we cannot work hard and earn money - - we either ascend in our roles as female and male, or we promote degeneracy.

It's not coincidental or accidental that the Sexual Revolution (for women) and Work Revolution (for women) haven't made the majority happier, and have benefited only those men who put in the work to compete.


It's not just a division of labor - - - women and men support each other in different ways; were there only labor to be divided, high earning women, busting their asses in careers would love to marry soft, gentle, kind men who want to stay at home with the kids and who don't speak so loudly.

It is confusion and degeneracy to make women into men and men into women, and for neither to perform their role.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I think a clear division of roles is important. In my house, we pretty much divide responsibilities along gender lines -- and it works beautifully, because we each respect what the is doing and take an interest in it. But I also know plenty of women who work full time outside the home -- not because they are necessarily career driven and ambitious, but because they and their husbands have decided that they need the money. These women still end up doing the housework, the shopping, the doctor's appointments, and often the bulk of the childcare. They're exhausted. And their husbands aren't happy either!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

For those cases where a dual income is necessary, some of the day to day pressure should be taken off the woman's plate. When I worked, I worked 30-35 hours but my husband did the dishes. It was just one thing but it helped me immensely and was team work. However I think many husbands have the will to want to help beat out of them by nit picking wives who nag because the chore wasn't done exactly the way they would have done it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I've seen that nitpicking dynamic!

[–]lady_bakerEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is nearly our exact division of labor!

I work 35 hours a week, he works 45-50 with a longer commute. His chores are outsourced home/car maintenance and dishes. Mine is all other housework. Kid care is about 60/40 with me taking more.

This works well. Choreplay has very limited utility.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Car maintenance for us too! And the trash. That's men's work. :-D kids same thing. We homeschool so that's obviously more me.

[–]PinkFloweryBranches 5 points6 points  (11 children)

I've always strongly believed that when gender roles are reversed, one person usually ends up feeling resentful which leads to fights, problems, and eventually divorce.

ETA: I am talking about the majority of women. RPW are aware of their words, actions, and attitude; whereas, the majority usually don't give a damn.

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    [–]fhigurethisout 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    You aren't resentful, but you're RPW. the women in this sub are a very, very small minority. Don't take what she said personally.

    u/PinkFloweryBranches is talking about the majority of women who become resentful and naggy, even if their husbands are helpful.

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      [–]fhigurethisout 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yes, but since role reversal goes against some biological instinct,most women whine about it. That's why a lot of these single high-income earning women are unhappy. Dish-dads and low income fathers just don't satisfy their hypergamy

      Even if you define the roles for these relationships, the women will still nitpick their husbands for not doing housework right etc while flirting with the CEO of their company

      Rpw,on the other hand, are grateful for their husbands regardless of roles and what his earning power is or how he stacks the dishes lol.

      [–]PinkFloweryBranches 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yes, you're right. I was talking about the majority of women and I should've mentioned that.

      [–]little_red_ 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      For example, of course I would feel resentful if I worked 8 hours a day and had to come home and do all the chores, while my husband played video games all day

      Would you not do these things if you worked 8 hours a day and lived alone by yourself?

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        [–]little_red_ -1 points0 points  (3 children)

        Then we just have different concerns when it comes to what we need in relationships, mine does not care about an equal division of labor.

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          [–]little_red_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You said that you would resent your husband if you were working 8 hours a day and he wasn't doing chores but instead playing video games. The division of labor being you work at the office so he needs to be doing chores at home, not just playing video games.

          I get to enjoy his company, yes.

          [–]youreallmeatanyway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Anecdotal evidence, but my exwife did almost no chores at all. It took about a year of her being a completely lazy layabout but I eventually filed for divorce for that reason among others.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          We actually talked about this extensively in my psych of family class in college. The conclusion we made as a class and professor was that the reason there might be contradicting statistics is because in either case, responsibilities may be different but the mindset of helping each other is still there and I believe that's true with any living situation. I had different roommates all throughout college and some of them drove me crazy and others who would work with me to workout responsibilities that fit each other's schedules which worked out perfectly. For the ones that worked out perfectly, it wasn't so much that we would split it evenly and those were our boundaries. It was more like we made sure we had time for our responsibilities and if we had extra time we would help each other out and do some extra stuff around the apartment. It was never expected but was always welcome and appreciated which I think is the important part missed in split down the middle responsibility couples.

          [–]FRedington 1 point2 points  (1 child)

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          [–]iwishiwasamermaid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It is. But it's still relevant.