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Tinder Game with Amateur Photography (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Quaternionz

You've historically had trouble on Tinder. You only get likes from fatties and weirdos. Good quality matches come once or twice per month, and often don't even respond.

You lift, have some game, and are competent at dating. When you pick up a girl through non-app avenues you can take her out on a solid date or two and get laid. People casually complement you on your muscularity and your attractiveness. You know that your failures on Tinder don't reflect your SMV in reality.

You're failing on Tinder because your photos suck. You can try to fix this in one of two ways:

  1. Hire a professional photographer
  2. Become an amateur photographer yourself

Don't do option #1. It costs hundreds of dollars per shoot, and if the photos don't come out right you're screwed. Also, most good photographers will have their own artistic vision in mind when shooting you. Their vision probably won't be in line with the badass masculine vibe that you're going for (unless they're an equally badass photographer, in which case you probably can't afford them).

Go with option #2. Become an amateur photographer yourself.

This is just like lifting. You can pay $1000 for some shitty trainer to teach you a weak workout with light weights and cardio, or you can go online and find an intro guide to powerlifting and just do it yourself. Likewise, you can pay $600 to some girl or blue pilled photographer dude to take blue pilled photos for you. It'll work to some degree. You'll get photos showing off what a nice guy you are, and you'll get matches from passible 28 year old 7's who want you to settle down right away. But you want to bang the hot 20 year old 9's, so learn some basic photography skills and do it yourself.

Just like with lifting this takes research, real equipment, and more than a casual amount of effort. It pays off in proportion to the effort you put in.

Start by buying some gear:

The remote is key. Set up your camera on your tripod, walk over to where you're going to pose, and use the remote to trigger the shutter. Spend a few hours shooting and take literally 400 shots. You'll get maybe 1 or 2 good ones. When you're shooting yourself with a remote you can't know if your facial expression is retarded or if your pose looks goofy. Take a lot of scattershot photos and sift through them later.

You need the telephoto lens to get portrait photos with bokeh:

Portrait with Bokeh

Bokeh is where the background in a portrait is blurred. This helps highlight the subject. You can't help but focus your attention on the subject because the background is blurred to shit. Good self portraits often have some degree of bokeh.

On the flip side, you'll need a wide angle lens to get photos where the background is actually a feature. Here's a photo where the background was left relatively sharp because the scenery adds to the vibe:

Portrait with No Bokeh

You need a book on photography to learn about the basic camera settings on a DSLR, and how they effect the quality of your photos. There are three fundamental settings. Don't skip learning about these or your photos will come out looking like shit:

  • ISO (sensor sensitivity)
  • Aperture (how open the lens is)
  • Shutter speed (how long the photo is exposed for)

Shoot in RAW mode on your camera and post-process your photos in Photoshop. Read your photography book and learn how to adjust the following things in Photoshop. Don't skip learning about these or your photos will come out looking like shit:

  • Exposure correction
  • White point correction
  • Contrast correction
  • Color correction with curves
  • Sharpness correction with the "unsharp mask" tool
  • Blemish removal with the "spot healing" tool

Every photo is an art piece and should take you an entire day to shoot. It will take you five or six weeks to get enough photos for a full online dating profile. Like lifting, this takes effort and consistency.

Think of the photo of the dude on the bike. If you want to shoot this photo yourself you have to:

  • Shop for an outfit that matches that vibe you're going for.
  • Find a location.
  • Show up when the light is good.
  • Set up your tripod, camera, and bike.
  • Mess with the settings and lens choices.
  • Take a few hundred photos, move shit around, take a few hundred more.
  • Eat something, you're hungry.
  • Go home and upload your RAW shots to a computer.
  • Sift through 400 photos to find 1 good one.
  • Adjust the exposure, color, etc... Remove blemishes.
  • Start over and adjust everything again from scratch, because you don't really know what you're doing and you fucked up the first time.
  • Crop and post to Tinder.

It's an all-day project.

Women do so well on Tinder partly because they're doing this shit passively 24/7. Everywhere they go they're constantly taking selfies or having their friends shoot photos of them. They're addicted to it for the social media validation. They don't get stellar shots every time, but over the course of a few years they accrue a few exceptionally good shots for an attractive Tinder profile.

Men aren't as narcissistic. We're not constantly photographing ourselves and showing off online. If you want to do this right and have girl levels of attention on Tinder then you have to either start taking selfies 24/7 and bugging your dude friends to photograph you when you're out, or alternatively put in a condensed effort over a few weekends and just be done with it (I'd recommend the latter, since you're trying to be a Red Pill man and not a narcissistic 20 year old girl).

Remember to take photos that are congruent with who you are. Don't rent a bike just to take photos looking like a biker. If you're not a biker don't take photos with a bike. If you don't actually have a dog don't take photos with a dog. You might get some attention faking it, but when your date asks to see your bike or your dog and you can't produce the goods your chances of getting her into bed will go down to negative thirty thousand. Unless you can lie like a motherfucker, be congruent.

It doesn't matter what your hobbies are so long as you can show them off in an attractive way. If you’re wearing a muscle shirt and flexing then pretty much anything will come out looking OK (I take that back, no photos at a bronie convention).

At all costs, make sure your photos look bassass and masculine. Put some effort into planning them. Google around for inspiration, or look for inspiration as you go about your day. Don't take nice guy photos, they won't work.

The Tinder trifecta is Looks, Money, Status. Take artful high quality photos that convey one of each and you’re good to go.

Don't cheap out and try to take photos with your phone. You can't swap lenses on a phone for different effects like bokeh (actually, the new iPhone does have two lenses, but they’re not as flexible). Your phone also won't shoot in RAW mode, you'll only get JPEGs. You can't post-processes JPEGs effectively because they're already compressed to shit and don't have enough data left in them to properly correct exposure, color, white balance, and blemishes after the fact.

If you're on the broke side buy an old used camera, and old used lenses. A six year old DSLR camera you get for $120 is fine. You don't have to spend $800 on a new model with $1000 lenses. You're not shooting for Playboy, and you're not going to be able to tell the difference when viewing your photos from a phone anyway. Even a shitty old DSLR camera will give you infinitely more creative freedom than an iPhone.

Right swipes await.


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[–]AlphaALT001 68 points69 points  (9 children)

Okay im just going to go ahead and say as an actual photographer this is not at all smart. Photography takes a shit ton of time to learn and even more time to get good at.

Especially if you are not relying on expensive gear. If you want to get good pictures, find an amature with good pics on instagram and ask him to do it for you. Amateurs need experience and more pictures on their portfolio, they most likely won't turn you down.

A lot of this info is down right bullshit too, Phones in modern times take great pictures, much better then what a DSLR with a kit lens for 120 dollars would get you. JPG can still be edited, no idea where you got the idea that they are compressed as shit. You don't have to shoot raw to be a good photographer, hell I have a friend who uses a shitty soviet era film camera and he is a hell of a ton better then even me.

This reads like something someone who is completely new to photography would write after watching a few Peter Mckinnon (why do so many amatures watch him?) and now thinks he knows everything.

Anyhow, If any one you actually want to learn photography the photography subreddit on reddit is pretty dam good, as well as a shit load of other subreddits who are dedicated to teaching photography.

[–]ElegantCyclist 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Okay im just going to go ahead and say as an actual photographer this is not at all smart. Photography takes a shit ton of time to learn and even more time to get good at.

Thing is, you don't have to be professional-quality. You just have to be better than the other guy. And learning to take "better" photos is not that hard.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I spent a single weekend taking photos of random stuff around the house to get competent enough to learn what all the terms meant, and what all the settings do to the final result. I'm sure I'm still a laughable novice compared to a professional, but the photos I have now are orders of magnitude better than anything I could have taken before that one weekend of studying. It's not that hard. Going from zero knowledge to hobby-level knowledge in any field is pretty easy.

[–]AlphaALT001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just wait till you get into learning posing, lighting, locations, the physics and maths behind it. I have been doing this for 2 years now and I still feel like I know jackshit.

Still im glad I got into it, its fun as hell.

[–]AlphaALT001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From that link:

Photography is the manipulation of three basic settings (aperture, ISO, and shutter speed) and the knowledge of a handful of other factors (light quality, lens length, sensor size, and framing). That’s it.

I hate whoever wrote this already, Anything can be summed up like this, Rocket engineering is "just" a bunch of physics and math but that doesn't make it easy. (Yea I know bad example)

If you just need tinder pictures, get someone else who is already experianced to do it for you. It will cost a hell of a lot less then a Camera with kit lens. Or your can use your phone, that thing takes good pictures, trust me. Get a friend to hold it, google some poses and get to work.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Unsharp mask and finer spot corrections don’t like JPEG compression artifacts. RAW stores more than just 8 bits per pixel per color channel, so exposure and color correction tools have real continuous luminance data to work with.

[–]AlphaALT001 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The sooner you realise you cannot simply rely on photoshop and lightroom for your own photography the sooner you will become better.

Just look at daddy terry, the guy literally uses a point and shoot and he is one of the best photographers in the world. Used to be the best payed too but apparently trying to fuck every model you take a picture of doesn't sit right with most companies.

Anyway just because you are not shooting raw doesn't make a picture bad, sure using raw and editing can make it better, but don't rely on post-production. Everything you can do in post you can do in real life. Instead of using sharpening try a different lens, instead of finer spot corrections get yourself a makeup artist.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you should forever abandon editing you pictures, but don't over rely on it And don't tell others that JPEG is shit, its not and you are misinforming people.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyway just because you are not shooting raw doesn't make a picture bad, sure using raw and editing can make it better, but don't rely on post-production.

And don't tell others that JPEG is shit, its not and you are misinforming people.

I know my target audience here. As a complete novice it helped me that I could heavily edit the RAWs after the fact to make up for shitty decisions while shooting. It's advice I got from novice photography articles.

I know how much better 12 or 14 bits per channel is compared to 8 when doing image processing, from other run-is I've had with the image processing world. Once you select a gamma curve and bake your luminance data down to 8 bits this can't be undone. It's way easier to salvage shitty pictures in RAW. On the other hand, if you're a novice you're wondering why your iPhone shots taken in shitty lighting conditions are coming out unsalvageable you'll just be a loss and might give up. If the JPEG encoder on your phone decided to focus on the wrong thing when choosing the gamma correction then you're done.

iPhone photos might be fine if you're just taking pictures at random while out and about, on a weekly basis. "Oh, that one looks like shit. Whatever, toss it." If you're going to put a concentrated effort into spending a day taking a good photo then loosing one is less fun.

[–]Ffsgoddammit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You sound like a guy who spends more time on gear testing than photo taking

[–]oytrp 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Look at how much work you're putting into Tinder.

It's not worth it. Wasting hours of time on fakes, flakes, and validation seekers. Yes you can get laid, but if you actually approach in real life, you'll find it's much more efficient.

Stop being a bitch and drop the buffers.

[–]neoda1 9 points10 points  (1 child)

i knew i wasn't the only 1 who thought this when i read past the first paragraph, so much work for a app. Sounds like a job.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Same could be said about lifting.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I haven't found the dates to be fakes, flakes, or validation seekers. I'm not looking for LTR material here, I'm looking for plates for casual fun. This is supplemental to going out and approaching in person.

[–]oytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you actually break it down it isn't a benefit, especially for you considering how much effort you put into tinder.

You aren't getting equal return for your time and effort. Put in the same effort with real life game and the returns are much greater.

Think about the hours swiping... how many are matches

Think about the hours messaging... how many lead to dates

Think about the hours dating... how many are much fatter? How many flake? How many lead no where?

and ontop of all of that, tinder does absolutely NOTHING for your game. No practice or self improvement at all.

[–]Tek_Analyst 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Wtf is this? Learning photography and getting good at taking pictures to impress women on Tinder? FFS

You don’t need professional photography to get laid on tinder. I had a pic of me and my fucking dog, with a cell phone in the dark and was turning down women I didn’t want.

Just post shit that’s cool about yourself. Your dog, going to the beach, going hiking, family. Shit that makes you seem like a normal fucking person. While you’re at it, make sure you actually are normal, and it’s not just a facade.

Spend less time worrying about Tinder and hooking up, and more time worrying about bettering yourself, for yourself. Once you care less about pussy and more about yourself women will fall on your lap. But that can’t be faked.

[–]kamatres 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Or you can learn day game and save yourself fuckloads of money trying to impress some 9 on Tinder.

Don’t get me wrong, photography is an amazing hobby but you should be doing it for yourself and not to impress girls on dating apps.

[–]oytrp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yup. All those hours of swiping, texting, going on dates.

That all could have been spent bettering yourself.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yup. All those hours of swiping

Get good photos and get on the paid versions of the dating apps. Girls will swipe on you instead and you'll have a passive stream of easy dates and easy sex.

[–]circlingldn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah trolling girls on the street is the reason why all these pua types have to go to eastern europe

Being non autistic and learning to represent youself on tinder in the best light will bring you far more value

Do you take shitty photos for your linkedin or have a shitty instagram

Or are you one of the delete facebook types

[–]yesbuthereswhy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is gay as hell. Instead of spending $120 on a camera you could just go out and meet women for fucking free.

[–]ToryTosh1922 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I love how we're expected to do all this whereas almost every woman I see on Tinder has bathroom selfies and maybe one pic outside if I'm lucky. 😂

Tinder really is a zero-sum game for men, in that 90% of the time all you'll be doing is stroking the egos of subpar women by joining the flock of Billy Betas going wild over them.

Don't get me wrong, use it, but it's pointless putting effort into it. Cold approaching and having a quality social network will get you far more results. Have six decent photos and swipe whenever you're taking a shit and you'll be fine.

For the love of God don't buy Tinder Gold and don't go out of your way to use it. Think of it as the biggest sausage-fest party you can imagine. The moment any woman shows up (even if she's a six), guys will be throwing themselves at her.

It's basic supply and demand, so you want to make sure you target environments where men are the ones in demand.

[–]eyewant 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This cannot be overstated. Tinder's supply demand curve fucks men over.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This is exactly why you have to take outrageous measures like described here to make yourself stand out.

I had literally zero matches with average random photos taken by friends and during social occasions, despite being in shape. With these stylized high-effort artistic ones I have more conversation threads going than I can even respond to.

[–]troutmask96 1 point2 points  (1 child)

OP gets it right here. Studies show that women swipe right at approximately one-fifth the rate that men do, so we have to take extra measures to stand out. You have less than three seconds to persuade that hottie to swipe you right: why wouldn't you take reasonable measures to increase your chances?

And for those pounding their tribal skins about how online dating is a waste of time and that RL gaming is the way to go: there's no more efficient way to meet women than dating apps. But wait, there's more: you can actually do both.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was surprised by how many people responded by complaining that you should be out gaming in person instead, and that this advice is all useless. You obviously do both, and apps are indeed way more efficient.

I decided to get on the apps after months of doing night game. I'd pick up girls at bars and noticed that I could get the lay on either the first or second date. I figured that the limiting factor in my sex life was just the number of girls I could meet in a given week. Apps seemed good like a way to fix that, but I had never had luck on apps in the past. I decided to approach apps the same way I approach lifting. Seriously, that is. It worked like a charm.

[–]Warped_Mindless 7 points8 points  (4 children)

My only suggestion: Unless someone wants to actually learn photography they save a lot of time learning about their DSLR by just using Apature Priority mode instead of manual. As long as your pose, outfit, look, vibe etc are good then your pic will be 95% as good with much less effort.

And to anyone wondering... Yes you must take LOTS of photos and then sort through them to find the few that really stand out.

[–]gaspaonrocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This.

Some 'pros' I know don't event know what Aperture Priority mode is, when I tell them or talk about on-the-field reporters using it they have that blank void stare like I just spoke in cryptic numbers...

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Indeed, yeah. I think even professional photographers don’t necessarily shy away from Av and Tv mode. Paparazzi use straight up Auto.

You can definitely get good results without going manual.

[–]Ffsgoddammit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What's Tv? I don't shoot canon

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shutter Priority. It's probably "S" for you.

[–]troutmask96 3 points4 points  (3 children)

You might be surprised how inexpensively you can find a good, starving professional photographer for on Craigslist. I had shitty photos and was getting low quality matches, and found a guy on Craigslist that met me at a local park for a two-hour photo session. Less than a week later, I had 187 high-quality photos shot in a variety of poses and settings conveniently stored in a Dropbox folder at my disposal. Total cost? One hundred bucks.

And yeah, out of those 187 photos, I found only four that were sufficiently badass for my dating app profiles. Be sure to take a lot of pictures.

Within a week, I was up to 104 matches on Tinder and had to resort to creating a spreadsheet to keep track of all the girls' numbers and was having to calendar out all my dates. Good photos are the ultimate maxim of success on dating apps, and worth every penny you pay.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a reasonable strategy.

I like taking them myself because I'm always having ideas for new ones and I don't like coordinating with a photographer every time. Once you invest a tiny bit of money in the equipment, and time learning, it's free and low-effort for the rest of your life. Plus, your friends will benefit from your new hobby as well.

[–]snowdenlaydying 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"had to resort to creating a spreadsheet"... I don't know why I laughed so hard at that. More power to you sir!

[–]troutmask96 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have three dates tomorrow alone: noon, 2:00, 6:30. Spreadsheet.

[–]HumptyDumptyFellHard 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, I think this is simply doing too much just for tinder. Plus chicks want to see you in your natural state, out with guys at a bar, playing a sport, etc. Displaying your SMV. If you simply become a amateur photographer, you’ll only be taking staged photos of yourself. Fuck that, why not just go out with your friends to a bar and ask one of your buds to take a photo of you all holding a drink or something around those lines. Taking photos of yourself should come nature and shouldn’t be something you plan out.

[–]QE-Infinity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol wtf, just get the fuck off tinder and improve your game.

[–]panzaghor 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How i went from none to 12ish matches daily:

  • Went out

  • Asked some friends to take pics of me

  • Did some basic edits

Profit

[–]Quaternionz[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You’d get more if you put effort it to. Attractive girls with good quality photos get literally 1,000 matches per week, or more. Men can achieve the same.

[–]panzaghor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know but you can get far if with iPhone pics, you gotta know what to take pics of

[–]eyewant 2 points3 points  (1 child)

As someone who is interested in photography, I appreciate this post. However I see why some people don't resonate with this advice. Putting in thismuch effort requires a love for the art.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly. I thought it would come across that a lot of the motivation here comes from just wanting to find a new legit hobby (that would also happen to help you in your dating life).

This is exactly the same thing as lifting. Some red pulled guy friend hears that you’re having girl troubles. He suggests you lift. You get into it for the dating reasons but then it takes on a life of its own. If it fails to take on a life of its own then you’ll never have the motivation to do it seriously enough to really see results anyway.

Somehow a lot of people interpreted this post as “Put in exorbitant amounts of effort just to be a poser and impress women.”

Obviously extrinsic and intrinsic motivations are mutually reinforcing, and the intrinsic motivation for art and photography has to be there also. I just focused the post’s content on the extrinsic motivations because this is a forum about sexual strategy and not art.

[–]Viramont 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Imagine doing all of this for some matches on Tinder lmao

What happened to this sub

[–]davvya 1 point2 points  (1 child)

sounds like what all women do...

[–]Quaternionz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep, exactly. Online dating is primarily a game of constructing an attractive image of yourself through your photos. Women do this already by default, it’s a compulsion for them. Men don’t, and that’s why the complain that they get zero matches. Men have to be told to do it.

It’s the opposite of lifting. Men naturally enjoy lifting because it’s an extreme physical struggle. Women don’t enjoy it as much by default, and have to be told to do it.

[–]JustLurkingIgnore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TL; DR: daygame instead

I used to spend a lot of time online dating and put an extraordinary amount of time into it. Got a few plates and an LTR that didn’t suck. (All gone now, years ago...)

I did photo and profile A/B testing with actual women. I learned photography out of it, have all the equipment and know how to use it. Lighting, composition, you name it. It’s a great skill and hobby now.

Yes you can get better/more matches with photos and profiles that women like, but in the end it’s all a waste of time.

Even if you are swole, lift, earn and have social status, there’s always someone better than you within reach on Tinder and women will gravitate toward those guys if they even take it seriously at all.

There is no room for mistakes. It’s hard mode all the time, one picture slightly off, the wrong word in your profile, game over. If you win, your prize is a single mother land whale.

[–]Psychological_Radish 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is all solid advice, but the order of priority for Tinder pics is 1) underlying SMV, 2) pose/location, 3) the actual quality of the picture.

A high-definition picture of a turd is still a picture of a turd.

I mean, think about it: most girls that you match with don't use professional cameras. They use iPhones. I look for decent facial aesthetics and a fit body, which are pretty evident even from phone quality pics.

First, get your body/style on point. Then find a cool location and strike an attractive pose (Google "confident body language"). For most guys, their problems boil down to low SMV and poor location/pose. Picture quality comes in third.

OP himself alludes to this when he says that it's hard to mess up a pic if you have bulging biceps. A guy with a hard body is going to look hawt in a $5 tee shirt off the bargain rack at TJ Maxx. He doesn't need to look like he's about to walk the red carpet.

Photo diversity is also underrated. A portfolio of Calvin Klein underwear model shots won't garner as many matches as a guy that shows that he is attractive, fit, active, social, intelligent, and generally well-rounded. You don’t need to fit some hyper-masculine stereotype; that's just retarded. Have both smiling and unsmiling pics, looking at the camera and not looking at the camera. Most girls on Tinder aren't going to feel comfortable meeting up with a guy who looks like a brooding maniac.

Don't do option #1. It costs hundreds of dollars per shoot, and if the photos don't come out right you're screwed. Also, most good photographers will have their own artistic vision in mind when shooting you. Their vision probably won't be in line with the badass masculine vibe that you're going for (unless they're an equally badass photographer, in which case you probably can't afford them).

I largely agree with this assessment, although I don't think that hiring a pro should be ruled out entirely if one has the means. What guys should do first is look through the photographer's portfolio (usually available online) and decide if that is a good representation of what they want to achieve.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, agreed on a lot of points. You have to have the underlying SMV or it won’t work. Taking good photos is a matter of conveying your actual SMV through photography.

If you’re ripped and have a cool hobby then posing doing your hobby says “I’m ripped and I’m good at things.”

If you have money then taking a picture in a nice suit at a fancy bar will convey that subconsciously to the viewer. It works orders of magnitude better than trying to verbally humblebrag about your job status in your profile alongside a photo of you dressed in random summer clothes.

All of your good qualities would be evident to the girl on your date if she hung out with your for an hour. You’d pay and not care because you have so much money. You’d talk about your hobbies and she’d see your a cool motivated dude. She’d see your biceps because you’re right there in ultra-HD live reality. It’s just that you can’t get the date in the first place without conveying all that through your photos first. A lot of guys fail on dating apps just due to this simple Catch-22.

[–]BobbyMckee 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I have no doubt this will help.

However, isn't this somewhere against the idea of least effort.

Take 6 weeks and full days to take pictures of yourself just to get more women.

I'm not doubting you'll have more success. But this seems ridiculous to me and it seems like you are putting women and sex on a pedestal.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah, don’t bother spending hundreds of hours in the gym to improve your SMV either. What a waste of time.

[–]QuirkyDoctor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey man, your analogy doesn't really work well here. Both of you guys have valid points. Getting the best results in the minimal amount of time is:

1) Not lazy, in fact, it's called working smart (think Pareto Principle). I understand some people use this as an excuse to be lazy, but us guys here at TRP will most probably apply it properly.

2) This type of mindset/plan can be applied to anything. Your job, school, exercise, and even photography.

We need to remember that time is EVERYTHING; it's something we cannot ever get back. So we should do our best to utilize it to the best of our ability.

Although there are some disagreements on your post, it's still has some valuable advice. In fact, it's made me think about the type of pictures I want to display on my dating profile. My friend, thanks for a great post, as well as a great discussion!

[–]BobbyMckee -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you're lifting just to improve your SMV then I would say the same thing.

Doing things just to look better to women is ridiculous. I.e. if you suddenly lost your penis and then could not make any sense of what you're doing, then you're obviously just doing it to get a woman - i.e. putting them on a pedestal.

You know it's true.

Basically, there is a big difference between taking an hour or two to get some pictures and taking 5-6 weeks and learning a craft just to put pictures on a retarded dating app.

Again, I'm not against lifting or photography. Just, hey - if you like those things and they make you better then do them. A guy who hates lifting and wouldn't power lift if women were out of the picture - is trying to manipulate to get women. This isn't to say that you can't do things to increase your SMV - but if your #1 goal is that then you're in for an empty set of years pursuing that. Tell us how it goes.

[–]redditaccountiuse 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Lifting >>>>>>>> photography. I’m a professional photographer but being attractive in the first place will go way further for girls than photography.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yeah, of course. This is for once you’ve gotten your lifting down and already have enough game to escalate successfully on dates. If you already have those then this post will help you get a steady stream of dates every weekend. Supplement with day/night game regularly.

[–]redditaccountiuse 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I love photography but imo it’s pretty irrelevant to the subject of this forum. Learning photography to get better tinder pics makes no sense to me. All for promoting the hobby though.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

You get more dates and more matches than if you don't put the effort in. This is not debatable.

This is a forum for male sexual strategy. We share stories about text message back-and-forths on Tinder all the time. This is just as relevant.

[–]redditaccountiuse 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Eh I don’t even agree with the photography advice. You don’t need to spend a whole day to get one tinder photo. A good photographer doesn’t take that much work unless you’re actually shooting model shots for a magazine. I also wouldn’t recommend buying cheap cameras. Spend like 5-6 full working days over the course of weeks to get enough pics for a tinder profile? Unless you’re a male model that’s crazy try hard, and I think the try-hardness of it would ooze out of your profile.

I guess I’d say for dating profile pics, your attractiveness is 99.99999% of it. The quality of the photo might be the other .00001%.

Again tho, photography is cool and I’m down with promoting it.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

A good photographer doesn’t take that much work

This is true. This is advice is targeted at novices, who can expect to take longer to get a decent result. Don't you remember how long your gym sessions took when you were first starting and barely knew how to squat or deadlift?

[–]redditaccountiuse 1 point2 points  (3 children)

If we’re talking straight up photography as a hobby, I’m with you. Takes long to learn like any skill (but I spend longer in the gym now than when I started).

[–]Quaternionz[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Lol, fine. You know what I meant to say though. Your time was spent less efficiently when you first started, even if you now technically stay for longer. If you had tried to do your current long routine when you first started you probably would have been there for 10 full hours.

[–]redditaccountiuse 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well I know what you mean for sure but the time analogy just isn’t the right one lol - I wouldn’t be able to lift what I do now no matter how long I spent. Anyway, learning photography is cool and we agree on that.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, high five bro. Photography.

[–]Ffsgoddammit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's some gear and why to get it:

  1. Sony Alpha 7 $300-400 - because it has alpha in the name, so it will make look alpha. Plus, it's full frame, giving you extremely good low light performance andreally cool out of focus areas, looking pro. It can mount old lenses from any camera with the right adapter. If you go for the Alpha 7 ii you get image stabilization, which is great: you get free image stabilisation for old lenses. Worth $200 at least in any old lenses

  2. any old 50mm f1.8 lens $30-50. Creamy out of focus areas, nice to shoot in low light. Great for portraits and street photography. Russian models are cheaper. Some are good.

  3. any old 135mm f2.8 lens for $10. Literally the best buy you can make. Great for photos from afar, fast. This focal length is not fashionable anymore, so lenses are dirt cheap.

  4. an adapter to fit these old manual lenses onto the camera $5 because the alpha Mount is new.

Have fun!

Old lenses have their own colour profiles, which are very cool to play with, giving images their own character.

I have to agree with the actual photographer. Being half good takes time. A long time. And you'll still be shit. Plus, learning photography to go on tinder? Weak. It's a great hobby. Go out there, take pictures, have fun. Be passionate about something. I've been successful at dates by being passionate about motorcycles, including the mechanics. Passion sells. Even wine. I can talk you through a wine I enjoy and you'll want to try it out. Become an interesting person is guaranteed too get you laid more often than good pictures on tinder. I took some of my pictures on tinder, another one was an ex who was a photographer. Still not as successful as going into a bar and playing my cards right.

[–]circlingldn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Learn to photoshop your pics

Increase your shoulder width and make yourself taller compared to your friends

[–]acithetic 0 points1 point  (3 children)

As a photographer I can confidently say that the only way a camera will help you get pussy is if you pose with one in your hands.

A half-decent phone picture (assuming the person taking it knows what they're doing) will suffice.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

I haven’t found this to be true. If extra time and energy invested in a given photo doesn’t correlate to more attention on dating apps then you’re doing it wrong.

[–]acithetic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The secret is in:

A) The composition of the photo

B) How you present yourself / How you dress.

The camera itself doesn't matter as long as you have a decent phone camera (i.e. iPhone 6s - present) and experience (the most important part).

A really good photo executed with a quality camera and a nice lens w/ a shallow depth of field (i.e. f2, f1.8, f1.4, f1.2) can certainly help but its not a paramount to your tinder success. As someone who has been shooting for around 3 years, that is next to impossible for a beginner to take successfully lol.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did fine with shallow depth of field after a weekend spent photographing random shit around the house for practice.

[–]SalesOverEverything 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good value add post, haven’t seen this topic been covered yet.

[–]dontbethatguynow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When using remote, be sure to set a 2-3 sec delay. You don't want a picture of you holding the remote

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure. The auto focus usually takes a moment to adjust too, so that gives you a tiny bit more extra time.

It’s also not hard to hide the remote in your palm, they’re usually tiny.

[–]XT3M3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

while without a doubt helpful. this is way too much work for tinder.

if you look good enough your front facing cam is all you need. worse case senario , i just call up my friends with iphone to take snaps.

if you want to look better in your pictures on tinder, why not just go up the next level and just skip the middle man. game in person. go to a bar. if you fail in real game you only have you to blame.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an artistic pursuit in its own right. Taking cool photos is a fun project even just for its own sake. It’s a bonus that having ones that are creative, high quality, and unique will show off the artistic side of your personality, and will make attractive and interesting.

You’ll get a lot of “OMG, did you do take those yourself?”

But, sure, yeah, you can do OK half assing it to. Feel free to keep your deadlifts at just 225 too. Why bother putting in the effort if doing less will give you passible results anyway, right?

[–]redvelvet_oreo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

short solution just pay a photographer to take pictures of you. Why waste this much time and effort.

[–]Final_Pantasy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Lol jesus. Just ask your friends for an hour of their time to take some cool pictures. Buy them a fucking beer. No need to spend 6 months learning how to use a dslr just to take Tinder thot quality pictures.

Its not worth the time or effort, especially since Tinder compresses the fuck out of every image you upload anyways

The only good thing about this is that learning photography gets girls and is a decent date idea thats cheap once you have the gear.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

One weekend, not six months.

You sound like that blue bill guy yelling at me for spending 2 hours at the gym every other day. “Jesus fucking Christ, just be confident and be yourself. It’s not that hard. Who cares about looks, don’t be vain.”

[–]Final_Pantasy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No - I just think its stupid you would do all this for a Tinder picture when it's overkill. I set up a tripod in my room, took my shirt off, picked up my housemate's cat and have crushed it since. Take your friend to the beach, hiking, a dog park, a nice looking bar and you wont have to know anything about photography other than some simple macro settings on your phone.

Photography is a great skill to have and will get you laid if you're good at it (as a skill/hobby/freelance job they fuck so many chicks), but all that money for a better Tinder picture when your phone will be 90% as good (Especially if you can get your hands on/borrow a friends iPhone X/XS) is enough.

I'm in the gym 2 hours a day, as well, pal. But I don't do it for the tindies - I do it for me.

The premise of this post is learn photography for Tinder pics to get subpar cock carousel women.

If the premise was learn photography because models always bang their photogs, it might be a better post.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously there should be intrinsic motivation just like with lifting. I wrote the post to focus on the extrinsic motivations because this is a sexual strategy forum, and not an art forum.

Personally I had my interest in photography piqued I’ve done 3D modeling artwork, which follows a lot of the same principles. Tinder photos were just the first practical thing that made sense to tackle after I picked up a camera for the first time.

As with lifting, it’s fine to suggest getting into it for girl reasons. The intrinsic motivation will probably develop simultaneously, it’s a worthwhile hobby.

[–]Walker501_S 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Dude how much of a simp and an actual CUCK are you? Spending thousands of dollars on gear and shit ton of your time to what? Impress some fucking hoes on tinder? Really? This ain't redpill. This is advanced bluepill.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I suggested a $120 used one. I got mine for free when someone was tossing an old one. Where did you see me suggesting spending thousands? Feel free to quote the line.

[–]Walker501_S -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Dude i don't care. What i meant was that buying proffesional gear to take photos to impress thots is a fucking cuckery and that's undebatable no matter the exact cost. Further, if the best ROI you can get from your time is when you use it to learn photography just to attract thots, you're a goddamn simp and that's again, undebatable. Have a good one.

[–]snowdenlaydying 0 points1 point  (3 children)

A quick cost benefit analysis highlights that it's more economical, both financially and timewise (which as the saying goes, is money) to hire an up and coming photographer than to spend all day taking photographs, sorting through them afterwards and investing in equipment.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

A quick cost benefit analysis highlights that it's more economical, both financially and timewise (which as the saying goes, is money) to hire an up and coming photographer than to spend all day taking photographs, sorting through them afterwards and investing in equipment.

That's great, so never do anything interesting or creative. Just pay people do it for you for the end result. A quick cost benefit analysis also highlight's that's it cheaper and faster to stay home and jerk to porn than it is to go on actual dates.

[–]snowdenlaydying 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If you're investing in photography as a creative pursuit then yes of course it's worth while. This is not what your post is suggesting. A cost benefit analysis would highlight that the costs of staying at home and jerking off to porn far outweigh the benefits.. "cheaper and faster" is where the benefits begin and end. You know this.

[–]Quaternionz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, real sex is more satisfying. So is taking good quality creative photos and learning a new skill.

My post was written with a focus on the dating benefits because this is a sexual strategy forum and not an art forum. I thought that would be uncontroversial, but apparently not.

[–]Seaay00 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Solid post. There is no excuse to have crappy photos. The effort is ridiculously tiny compared to what cold approach (the alternative) is, and they go a long way.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I think the main reason, if not excuse, is that people just don’t know how.

You don’t want to ask a friend to spend hours with you taking photos because that’s weird. You don’t know about the tripod+remote trick so you don’t do it yourself. You can’t afford a photographer. You end up taking some shitty mirror selfies or using a grainy photo a friend took when you were out wasted at 3am.

It’s just like trying to go to the gym but not knowing what a squat or deadlift is. You might have the motivation, but if someone doesn’t teach you the mechanics of it you’re going to fail.

[–]coldcanyon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, once you learn photography, you can list it as one of your hobbies. Women love having their picture taken. The possibilities are endless...

[–]ArdAtak -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Excellent advice. True. Practical. Uncommon. Right on the money. Thanks.

[–]wubbzywylin -1 points0 points  (2 children)

While I think learning photography is a great hobby and valuable skill, if you're putting this much time, effort, and money into it for the purpose of getting Tinder hoes, you're much better off just buying a hooker or two.

[–]Quaternionz[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Same could be said of lifting.

[–]wubbzywylin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a sense, but lifting has waaay more practicality in the real world than photography.

Lifting also has a more guaranteed result than just being able to take a good photo because a poorly taken picture of a guy with a nice physique will still beat a professionally taken photo of a fat, out of shape dude.