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Why do most people find the Red Pill misogynistic or "morally reprehensible" ? (self.asktrp)

submitted by thesquarerootof1

It seems like every Red Pill outsider (meaning not a part of this community) thinks the Red Pill is "morally reprehensible", saying it is highly misogynistic and a really bad way to think of women like this.

I think this community is fair, we notice our observations, and then record and share them here. When non-Red Pillers say that this is a really toxic place, I refute by saying that this sub helps out men who have been done wrong by women, incels, or someone who simply wants to be more successful in dating or relationships.

I truly don't understand the hate for this sub. The people who criticize it usually are not able to show good examples on why this sub is misogynistic/hateful. I really don't get it, why do most people hate this sub and the people who use it ? Why hate an incel (or any man) who is trying to better his life by coming here ? It is frustrating because this sub has really helped me out in my life and I don't consider myself misogynistic at all, I just want to play the "game" better.

On another note, why don't they hate the "two x chromosomes" subreddit but they hate us ? I see hateful posts and comments all the time over there.

EDIT: If you are a lurker on this sub and have opposing views, this post is for you. Share what this community needs to work on or why you hate this community. As long as you are not a radical and not being a dick of course. My question is genuine, I'm not picking a fight, but a fair and healthy debate.


[–]frequentlywrong 170 points171 points  (9 children)

Women hate it because TRP is about taking back power in relationships from women.

Betas hate it because women hate it and they think they will get respect from women for it and because TRP tells them they must grow some balls and stop blaming others.

Idiots hate it because they listen to what others have to say (I've seen people saying so many times they are afraid to look in trp) or because they don't get it.

[–]1ANGRY_ATHEIST 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Women hate it because TRP is about taking back power in relationships from women.

This is not completely accurate. Women want men to have the power in the relationship. Women want to be dominated. They want you to pass their shit tests. What they don't want is for some beta to know the "cheat codes" to their system. They want a real alpha, not some beta who studied some RP book and has learned how to act like one.

[–]1morescoobysnacks 4 points5 points  (1 child)

They want a real alpha, not some beta who studied some RP book and has learned how to act like one.

I can guarantee all of you that women have never thought about this at all. They just like what they like.

Fatties on reddit that have an opinion are barely women.

[–]1ANGRY_ATHEIST 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can guarantee all of you that women have never thought about this at all. They just like what they like.

I don't disagree. They will, subconsciously, shit-test you until they find a chink in your armor. When they find it they will become disgusted. You can be 2 years into an LTR and suddenly finding your woman treating you like shit, and this is why. They don't plan this out, they are just operating based on their feeeeelings. "Natural" alphas genuinely don't give a shit. Us TRP-reading normies have to practice this until we get it right.

Fatties on reddit that have an opinion are barely women.

Don't ever take advice on how to deal with women from a woman, regardless of her SMV.

[–]boy_named_su 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their vaginas and hind-brains want it. But their logical brain has been brainwashed into wanting what feminism says

[–]philltered 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Quite succinctly put, well done!

[–]streetlecture 20 points21 points  (0 children)

He's frequentlywrong, but this time he's right.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All of this being subconscious thought processes, of course, which is why they vehemently deny it.

[–]GGrub8 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In addition to this: feminists hate it because men who are aware of red pill concepts can understand women more than women understand themselves.

TRP is kryptonite to Feminism.

[–]marky_markyy_mark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add on, Trad Cons do not like it because of TRP's views on marriage.

[–]1RPLawyer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Because anything or anyone that doesn't put women on a pedestal these days is misogynistic. Ironic how TRP actually treats women as human beings. Ironic how people who come to TRP do it initially to improve their relationship with women. That's a funny way of being misogynistic we have going on here.

[–]ThatKidinAfrica 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is a reply given to a similar question by the user Torquatus:

"Because it presents a harsher reality than people are accustomed to or are willing to even consider being possibly accurate. It is essentially a framework for assimilating all information on its own merits rather than automatically accepting precepts and practices from institutions or people that appear to be legitimate.

It forces you to be critical of your every move as well as those of every single person you interact with (whether its their words you're hearing or reading, the actions you see them make, or the relationships they try to build with you).In short, it forces accountability. People aren't comfortable with that. At this point, the current generations that are the majority of our population (Boomers, Gen-X, and Millennials) are so accustomed to sucking on the teat of big government and operating under the shadow of its all-seeing eye as a supposedly benevolent father-figure. Women obviously reject it because it exposes all the flaws of their ideology and behavior: solipsism, favored legal status, favored employment policies, and a guaranteed floor put in place by the government and funded by the garnished wages, alimony, and child support payments taken from the pockets of men. It's to their disadvantage to acknowledge it, so they fight it tooth and nail and do their best to associate it with terminology or imagery that both men and women view as unfavorable ("creepy," "rapey," misogynistic, abusive, and the like).In short, it encourages men to be independent individuals. The interests at large have learned from history that such a culture is dangerous for those at the top, so today you see the judicial branch, mass media system, legislative branch, and major multinational corporations whose very livelihood depends on you remaining an ignorant participant in their system collude to push things farther in this direction.The worst is being en route to or a new member of that not-so-informal oligarchy thanks to a healthy dose of good fortune and your own hard work and being torn between raising a loud voice on behalf of the truth (and risking your position) or passively unplugging and operating (largely) behind the scenes á la the Koch brothers, Karl Rove, etc.When it comes to the general populace, people don't like having their reality jostled. It's uncomfortable and frightening, really. Given the option, people opt to literally pull the hood further over their own eyes because it's more comfortable.

That's why the pill analogy from the Matrix films is so perfectly fitting."

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[–]Tuplad 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I'm not gona lie part of me fucking hates women.

This is why people hate TRP. A lot of men got hurt and found TRP and found a way to channel their anger. But the TRP people are just normal men that know how the world and society works, they're past the anger or never had it in the first place. The Red Pill is a pill you swallow to see the world for what it is, hate and misogyny has no place in it.

Then you have the other dudes: the good guys, nerds, losers, PUAs, fake alpha's etc. The ones that don't have it naturally, but think they do now because they've read reddit advice and bought a leather jacket. The ones that start being SUPER AUTISTIC about being manly and applying all theories. I saw a dude actually defend an abusive thing in BJJ because "it's a badge of honor, something our forefathers did".

This is just a toolbox, people take this shit way too serious. It's just women, it's just pussy, it's just life.

[–]someonesopinion6969 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this is the problem, you give those kids the toolkit and next thing you know they think they are 'alpha'

and no, it takes years to actually get to a place of acceptance and seeing what the fuck life is about.

[–]BigDickEnergy123 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Some of this shit kinda is super misogynistic, like you said the userbase. I like coming here because the self improvement points are valid and not being clingy, but a bunch of people here are bitter and seem to be super controlling/insecure/derogatory towards women.

[–]thesquarerootof1[S] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

I agree with this, some shit on here can be too misogynistic, but those are usually those extreme posts where you can really feel the hatred.

[–]DBOLinouttacontrol 6 points7 points  (1 child)

And they get called out for being incels. Being angry and misogynistic isn't red pill, it's black pill.

[–]someonesopinion6969 3 points4 points  (0 children)

anger phase more like.

acceptance is the last stage

[–]Aarxnw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its like if you were to run a foster home for children who have been abused, I know that’s an extreme example but despite the fact they’re there to be in a safe place and get better, they will always be bitter.

I think a lot of the men that come here are damaged and want to get better, but the bitterness stays and it can end up creating a really toxic community that perpetuates itself by focusing more on their anger towards women than getting better and improving themselves.

It’s sad and unhealthy but it’s natural and should be expected. Outsiders will not sympathise, another extreme example here but: its like sympathising with a school shooter or a murderer, it’s not always their fault that they’re at that point, yet nobody feels sorry for them (not saying they should, though I partially do).

[–]CaptDeadlift 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those that post usually are in the anger phase some of them can never really get out of it. The ones that are over most probably internalized the theory and they don't need to ask questions related to this and that.

I would say a small percentage of subs are actually red pilled and on their way to be alpha.

And then we have the you don't question the redpill guys which I highly don't agree with since not everything in the sidebar are words of wisdom that should be held above your head.

The sidebar should be a guide to becoming the man you should be not a step by step.

[–]SexySmexxy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the most down-to-earth 'real' thing I've ever seen someone post on reddit.

never let the name of redpill leave your lips outside of reddit.

Best advice anybody in this thread can take

[–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You pretty much described internet culture. Some things are misogynistic, but for the people that are quite familiar with internet culture will know how to filter through that stuff and look at the meaning behind those words.

The same can be said about online gaming. When I used to play halo online I would trash talk with other players. But we (myself and other players) would trash talk in the most harshest way possible.

Like you would hear racist, sexist, and all kinds of talk and honestly none of it never ever offended me. Because in a weird way both sides knew it was just fun shit talk. Now if an outsider listened to it? Oh yea we would be branded everything under the sun.

It's the same with the redpill. Alot of posters post shit here in a very harsh way.

Examples: women are children, men are cucks for marrying, a woman who has a high n count is a whore, men are beta faggots for wifing up a single mother, ect...

None of that offends me or the average user base here because we're used to how people talk online and plus we understand what those harsh terms are actually saying.

"Women are children" means "in general, westernized women don't want responsibilities for their actions. So we have to treat them as such."

But outsiders won't see it that way. They only see the surface level of the message and stop there.

Now the hypocrisy behind those who bash the redpill is that nearly every sub on reddit has those people who do the same thing.

It is what it is. This place definitely has its fair share of assholes but that can be said about literally any online forum.

Also guys who go too far are valued out for being in the anger phase or incels.

[–]christophertracy92 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Red Pill questions everything a man is conditioned to hold dear.
It questions his emotional investments and his life choices.
Why would anyone make a U-turn in his beliefs unless he is not traumatized or completely frustrated?

I understand why they won't listen to it.

The criticism though comes from denial.
If a guy sees nothing wrong with his life, you can't point out why everything is wrong.
He will go in denial mode and call you misogynistic. These are basic reflexes.

You need a traumatic experience , to get zeroed out in order to decide to update your belief system.

Red Pill is a tough one to swallow.

- Why do my eyes hurt?
- Cause you've never used them before.

For some guys it's much easier to dwell in the dark than be exposed to the painful truth.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Leftists took over the schools decades ago, and the curriculum has been rewritten to push a cultural Marxist narrative.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 22 points23 points  (6 children)

If the Red Pill is moraly reprehensible then by extension so is every non Western country and every human being before 1950s. Our non deluded view of women is no different than theirs.

The real issue here is that modern society manufacturers obedient conformists. That's the job of school, the media and HR. These conformists are very insecure and deal with their insecurity by repeating the culture industries message. That's why if you point out a contradiction as in my first paragraph u'll crash their programming.

To prove how unbiased I am on the issue here's a video from Hard Leftists who hate the Red Pill but agree with us on the NPC thesis.

[–]babybopp 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Back with your political TRP views. I have called you out in this before. I have no idea why you do this.. you have posted how you "owned" a feminist liberal anchor during your one time panel trump supporting cnn cameo. You openly preach being conservative as being synonymous with TRP. A good percent of your words are okay but the reality is that you think TRP is being a republican. This shows an ignorance that makes me wonder how you remain endorsed here. You even peddle your wares here. How you assume that everyone here firstly is from USA and secondly gives a shit about your politically loaded commentary that you seem to like stuffing down our throats is beyond me.

When you sit and use words like hard leftists and liberal cucks, and you are an endorsed contributor what type of place do you think people assume this to be? No one ever calls you out on this or when you decide to sell your tshirts here. People like you are the answer to OP's question on why people see this as a bitter and toxic environment. You dabble in putrid rhetoric to elicit reactions from "leftists" and worst part, you think we all agree with u.

Lol edit am banned

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Back with your political TRP views.

Having a strong set of values will inevitably place you somewhere on a political spectrum. The ability of that spectrum to represent your real values in aggregate will vary based on the society you live in, but it will label you nonetheless.

You're oblivious if you can't see the inevitable intersection between TRP and a certain kind of politics.

People like you are the answer to OP's question on why people see this as a bitter and toxic environment.

And now you are concern trolling.

We want people to see this as a bitter and toxic environment.

I will see to it that you are silenced so that you have some time to learn, because right now your mouth is robbing your ears.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm not a conservative you fucking retard. In fact I wrote a post called dont get Cucked by CuckCervatives.

There's nothing conservative about the comment you responded to. Next I wasn't born in the US so to accuse me of anglocentrism is retarded.

Honestly before you say something as retarded as Gaylubeoil is a conservative beat yourself in the face.

[–]awakenedspirit1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really enjoy the way you phrase things. +1

[–]someonesopinion6969 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I'd go as far as saying someone is truly redpill doesn't give a shit about politics. and gaylubeoil has stated this before, clearly americans here wanted to paint you as a conservative.

I'd say the reply you got was a triggered dude expecting every post of yours to be some liberal bashing which clearly by his response, is completely worthy of that response

[–]Kpwn88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'd go as far as saying someone is truly redpill doesn't give a shit about politics.

So you'd be ok with open borders, flooding your country with third worlders, and giving women in corporations a pussy pass? Because that's what the DNC wants to do.

[–]SharpestMarbel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

XX sub is for misandrist bitching about there inability to optimize hypergamy. Bitching to other crabs in the bucket gets them no-where. Other women don't want to help the competition. I always tell my girls to encourage their competition to be feminist for the same reason, because no-one likes them.

The reason you believe RP is misogynistic is because you have internalized misandry.

[–]someonesopinion6969 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because feminism is about controlling the sexual market place to create men who will be beta.

They don't want men to improve because it means that we now know how men are being fucked over by the female brain, it's nothing negative towards women but they don't want us to improve or i should say, they would rather a beta be beta than him take the power and change his existence.

crabs in a bucket mentality

[–]Nergaal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Society expects males to be disposable. Traditionally, men were expected to go to war and sometimes die. Those societies would have thought as "morally reprehensible" if you taught young men that going to war and fight for some entity is a non-rational stance.

Teaching men why it is sub-optimal to accept blue pill/beta male opinions is similar.

[–]Metalageddon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"most people" don't. They don't find our praxeology abysmal, they hate the tag.

If you tell people the same content using non rp lingo, I've found most actually agree, mostly because it's an experiential bias, but it's also just evident.

Use the label "redpill" and you all of a sudden aren't fighting our praxeology, you're fighting stigma. Humans love simplicity in patterns and tribes, it's easy to classify a term and form an emotional response to it.

It's also easy to avoid the term and it's lingo, then people find themselves writing stupid shit about how they were "tricked" by this glorious guy who a year in, they found out was redpill.

The single term made all the difference.

This isn't only for redpill, it's true of many labels that come with stigma. For example, I can say straight to a feminist, "I feel like what you produce should have the largest weight on what you earn." And they'll agree almost every time. What I really said is, "if you work more hours and take less time off, getting more product, you get paid more."

It's funny to watch the heads roll as they realize this. Especially if you front them some citation. (Women take more time off, work less total hours, are drastically more likely to take hiatus, more likely to work part time, etc.)

Dad and grandad always said, learn to tell someone to go to hell in such a way they enjoy the trip.

That's not always possible but you can shut up a surprising amount of people by making them admit they agree with what they 'hate'.

[–]magx01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Talking about women like they are just people sounds to most people like hatred of women.

[–]DirtyBastard13 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Because most people are sheep or slaves in mind at least. It's hard to explain to people who've never been outside the cave of thier own worldview. Most people are small minded, anything that is different or challenges thier worldview is evil.

And the elites (and women) don't like it when the secrets are laid bare and puppets see and understand thier strings. If more men understood how women manipulate men, then women would lose thier power.

[–]demalteb 8 points9 points  (16 children)

As long as you blame women for your issues, you can never find peace of mind, or indeed ever hope to become a decent human being.

If your instinctive gut reaction to this is to blurt out, "but... women have... and men are...!!!!111", then you are steeped in toxicity, filled to the core with a mindset of rejecting responsibility, which is born of the exact mirror philosophy to a certain toxic kind of feminism.

I'm not blaming you for it. I am saying that you have a ways to go... and so have I.

I do not hate you. As someone who was into redpill stuff, back before it bore the name, I know how painful it is. I do not hate you. I pity you.

But I do hate, or let us say reject and possibly resent, the "philosophy", because it is really just groupthink dressed up with some pseudoscience and adolescent emotionally appealing musings, and it cannot lead you anywhere except self-destruction.

As long as you see relationships as a power struggle, you set yourself up for absolute relationship failure. Life as a redpiller simply cannot work. You will always be full of resentment and anger, and you will keep blaming women, or possibly "bluepillers". As long as you do that, you will not see your own responsibility, and this will in turn keep you from improving even the tiniest bit.

You won't believe me. You will likely read this as yet another expression of hatred for your group. So it goes. You will learn. It's a phase, for many, a large dose of anger that helps you in your necessary rejection of the aforementioned toxic feminism. If you work hard enough, and if you are intelligent and educated enough, you will eventually grow out of it.

[–]thesquarerootof1[S] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Very insightful, maybe I'll grow out of the redpill when I'm older and more successful. But if there is one thing that I really despise, the one thing I'll never be, is to be a blue pilled "nice guy" that lets women walk on me. I'd rather die than to be that. I'd rather have a girl think I'm an asshole than for a girl to like me "as a friend" and to use me as an emotional tampon. I refuse to live my life like that and frankly, you probably understand that sentiment, no guy in this sub wants to be like that. This is the only sub that makes sense to me at the moment, people I can relate to.

What you said was insightful, but I don't ever want to be a beta male. Sure, maybe 5-10 years from now I'll be less "red-pilled", but I would still want to be a male that has strong frame and to be dominant in all my relationships, the "traditional" way, and this might sound surprising, but a lot of women prefer "traditional" gender roles and relationships. Everyone has the power to choose what they want to be, but you're right, I wouldn't want to be a bitter asshole all my life.

[–]demalteb -3 points-2 points  (8 children)

Well, let me challenge you a bit, if I may!

Here's the thing: You despise "beng a blue pilled nice guy". The mere thought makes you shiver, right. Never be there. Probably, you have some experience with it, I guess. And you want nothing to do with it.

Perfectly understandable.

Here's the thing: As long as you despise it, you are afraid that you might actually be just that. As long as you are afraid of it, you are actually bound by it.

So, as weird as it sounds, the thing that keeps you back is NOT being beta - but being afraid of being beta. When you realize that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with your inner beta - that it cannot drive you, that it has no power that you don't give it by way of your fear of it - boom, things become way easier.

The catch is that you cannot precisely do that. There is no recipe. Meditation helps, and stoicism might help, but the only thing one can really do is be open to the thought.

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 0 points1 point  (7 children)

So you're saying that only a person who knows all the rules can know when to bend or break them?

[–]demalteb 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I.... guess I'm gonna go with no. However, I have no idea what you mean, so I don't really know.

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Basically when you reach a high enough level you don't worry about what's alpha or beta, you do whatever the hell you want.

[–]demalteb 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Well, yes, except that you also realize that there is no level to reach. :-)

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Well then you have given up sir. I wish you luck with your stuff, but there are levels. There are heights to attain and when you reach them it's time to reach for the next one.

[–]demalteb 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes, I am constantly giving up. I find that the more I give up, the better things get and the happier I become.

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Then why are you here?

[–]theherosmyth 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Hmm? Is that really what the red pill is about? This community doesn’t represent blaming women IMO, but operating from a place of understanding of their sexual and reproductive strategy, so one can act and strategize accordingly.

Being mr Nice guy clearly is not the way to be successful with women. So this sub teaches to break away from that lie, and to focus on one’s own purpose. Your SMV raises as a byproduct. And then you are free to play the game on your own terms.

I love women. I just won’t set myself up to be used by them. I fail to see what’s toxic about that. But I do agree that there are some toxic individuals in this community

[–]demalteb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Let me explain what issues I see, and you decide to what degree you think they apply here.

If you start out with the assumption that you, the guy, want something from others - girls - i.e., sex or validation, then you set yourself up as deficient. You do not get your validation from yourself, but from others. This creates insecurity in yourself. You make yourself depend on them, and they will not give it to you, because obviously they have not changed.

If you go on to think that those others don't give you what you think you deserve, for whatever reasons - but especially irrational ones - because they're naturally wired that way, or because society is slanted against you - then you will, almost by necessity, react with anger and resentment: this is, after all, deeply unfair, and it cuts you off from something you desperately need, and what you think you rightfully deserve.

If you then go on to devise clever strategies to overcome all these hurdles, be it via "outer game" tactics, lying and cheating your way into their beds, or "inner game" affirmations, then you are fighting an uphill battle, because you are forever reaffirming your own neediness and deficiency.

You are successfully molding yourself into the beta niceguy male, only with a slim layer of fake "alpha" behaviour on top. By thinking that the goal is to be successful with women, you have already bought into the rules of a game that you cannot control.

Essentially, you are protecting your ego while re-creating exactly the circumstance that hurts it, over and over again.

So what is one to do, right? You do have those urges, you can't stop from having them, they are only natural, and still you don't get laid.

I don't even claim that I have a good answer. I'm afraid at least some part of it is a process that you simply have to endure, as painful and stupid as it is.

What I think I know is that you cannot overcome the feelings of missing validation and inferiority, by trying to get that very validation. That simply cannot work. You cannot "be alpha", by, well, trying to be alpha. As long as your motivation comes from outside, it will always be fake. You have to find it inside - e.g., through a sport you actually enjoy (and not just do for "becoming buff" or "alpha"), through education or getting better at your job or whatever - but you have to do it because you really enjoy it, not "to be better with girls", and not even "for yourself first", if you know what I mean.

You cannot learn to "play the game at your own terms", as long as you think you have to play a game at all. The best that can happen, if you think like that, is that you hurt other people to inflate your fragile ego.

I was in the PUA community for far too long (8 years or so), and I can't say that I got out of it on my own and found something better. Instead, I stumbled into a wonderful relationship (incidentally, I didn't use ANY techniques on her), I became the dreaded dispised oneitis-afflicted betamale (boo! boo!), and found that I'm now living a life of happiness like I never thought possible, and that I do not need the deficiency and the anger and the guilt and blame-shifting and the antifeminism anymore.

In short, the view of men wanting something from women is inherently toxic, and the only way out is to stop seeing things that way.

I can say, though, that meditation helped, and stoicism (as in, the actual ancient philosophy) helped me an awful lot too. It made me realize that I cannot control others, I can't even control my own emotions, not even the thoughts that arise - and nor do I have to - the only thing I can really control is my reaction to all that.

(copied to answer several comments because I think it applies to every one of them)

[–]theherosmyth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmm I do get what you’re saying, and I tend to think along those lines. I want to make a lot of money, but I always remind myself not to think it will bring me happiness. I am improving my body, but not in the spirit of “gain muscles so I can get girls”. The same goes for success with women. A lot of your reply is predicated on the assumption that I (or people in general) want success with women to get validation. I know that to be a stupid pursuit. It’s like trying to fill a bucket with water, but it has a hole in the bottom.

You say that feeling of fulfillment must come from within. I agree. For me that comes from a general feeling of contentment, fueled by gratitude for the fact that I get to experience life. I come to that mindset while smoking weed one day, funnily enough. I was in a park at night, and as I was high as a kite I was looking at the stars and the trees and the great infrastructure and houses etc around me, and it just hit me how much I take everything for granted. How petty, unproductive and ungrateful most of my thinking was. In the days following I realized what a blessing it is to even be alive, and not to be discontent about my circumstances, to then acquire more in the pursuit of contentment. It isn’t to be found there. It can be had right in this moment. And playing the game of life, so to speak, is just an adventure to see what you can make of it, instead of going from place to place with an empty cup, looking for others to fill it. Even if you live in a shitty place. Even if you’re fat. Instead of being discontent, you can have gratitude for your circumstances, but still be aware that it can be improved from a place of self love and adventure. Just playing that game, or what Jordan Peterson calls turning chaos into habitable order, is what’s fun.

I second your recommendation for meditation. It helps me reconnect with that mindset. So thanks, AMG haze, you made me really see different. The way I came to realize it might be cringe worthy but hey... what can you do.

You say wanting things from others is inherently toxic. I disagree, if you can approach it from a healthy mindset. Again, I’m nog going up to girls with an empty cup, hoping for them to fill it. “Success with women” to me is not having a higher notch count than most guys I meet, or being validated because a girl wants to sleep with me. In the most abstract sense, it’s creating a space in my life that facilitates the opportunity for mutual enjoyment of both parties. I don’t see it as women giving me something, but rather creating a situation where we both offer value to each other.

You might say that still sounds like needing someone for something, but I think pushing that thinking past a certain point becomes unhealthy. We are social creatures after all. It’s not so much filling a void, as it is engaging in experiences that add up to more than the sum of its parts, if that makes sense. You say you have your girlfriend, you’re in a loving relationship, and you’re happier than you thought was possible. I could make the same case that she has the power to take that away, but I don’t think that’s right. It’s when you get to the “you complete me” type thinking that it starts becoming bad. The same goes for dating and sex IMO. There’s nothing wrong with “playing that game” if you like playing it, but it has to be because you enjoy playing it. If you start identifying with it, thinking you’re Mr Pimp Daddy, wanting to impress others, tying your sense of self worth to how much you “score” etc is where it becomes bad.

The red pill to be is the true nature of the game. It’s pulling back the curtains on the mechanics of how women actually operate, so you can operate from a position of clarity. Or as it’s been said, navigating New York with a map of New York, rather than a map of New Dehli (“Oh I don’t know where I’m going. So mysterious!”). And having a realistic view of the dangers that come with the territory, instead of being blind to them, because it’s socially reprehensible to even begin to entertain the thought that there might be any dangers to begin with.

[–]Skuggasveinn -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I find your thinking interesting. Do you think most/some of TRP philosophy is based on blaming someone else? That is, the starting point of the conversation is always/sometimes a response to some outside "threat" instead of an inner "threat" or limiting belief?

[–]demalteb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Let me explain what issues I see, and you decide to what degree you think they apply here.

If you start out with the assumption that you, the guy, want something from others - girls - i.e., sex or validation, then you set yourself up as deficient. You do not get your validation from yourself, but from others. This creates insecurity in yourself. You make yourself depend on them, and they will not give it to you, because obviously they have not changed.

If you go on to think that those others don't give you what you think you deserve, for whatever reasons - but especially irrational ones - because they're naturally wired that way, or because society is slanted against you - then you will, almost by necessity, react with anger and resentment: this is, after all, deeply unfair, and it cuts you off from something you desperately need, and what you think you rightfully deserve.

If you then go on to devise clever strategies to overcome all these hurdles, be it via "outer game" tactics, lying and cheating your way into their beds, or "inner game" affirmations, then you are fighting an uphill battle, because you are forever reaffirming your own neediness and deficiency.

You are successfully molding yourself into the beta niceguy male, only with a slim layer of fake "alpha" behaviour on top. By thinking that the goal is to be successful with women, you have already bought into the rules of a game that you cannot control.

Essentially, you are protecting your ego while re-creating exactly the circumstance that hurts it, over and over again.

So what is one to do, right? You do have those urges, you can't stop from having them, they are only natural, and still you don't get laid.

I don't even claim that I have a good answer. I'm afraid at least some part of it is a process that you simply have to endure, as painful and stupid as it is.

What I think I know is that you cannot overcome the feelings of missing validation and inferiority, by trying to get that very validation. That simply cannot work. You cannot "be alpha", by, well, trying to be alpha. As long as your motivation comes from outside, it will always be fake. You have to find it inside - e.g., through a sport you actually enjoy (and not just do for "becoming buff" or "alpha"), through education or getting better at your job or whatever - but you have to do it because you really enjoy it, not "to be better with girls", and not even "for yourself first", if you know what I mean.

You cannot learn to "play the game at your own terms", as long as you think you have to play a game at all. The best that can happen, if you think like that, is that you hurt other people to inflate your fragile ego.

I was in the PUA community for far too long (8 years or so), and I can't say that I got out of it on my own and found something better. Instead, I stumbled into a wonderful relationship (incidentally, I didn't use ANY techniques on her), I became the dreaded dispised oneitis-afflicted betamale (boo! boo!), and found that I'm now living a life of happiness like I never thought possible, and that I do not need the deficiency and the anger and the guilt and blame-shifting and the antifeminism anymore.

In short, the view of men wanting something from women is inherently toxic, and the only way out is to stop seeing things that way.

I can say, though, that meditation helped, and stoicism (as in, the actual ancient philosophy) helped me an awful lot too. It made me realize that I cannot control others, I can't even control my own emotions, not even the thoughts that arise - and nor do I have to - the only thing I can really control is my reaction to all that.

(copied to answer several comments because I think it applies to every one of them)

[–]trucknutz36582 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you not see any of the tenets of stoicism in TRP space?

[–]look_good 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You must be new here. I went through this phase as well. You’ll learn soon enough the selfish nature of people. Fuck them, take care of yourself.

[–]menbiteback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP, as far as dating goes, is about ignoring what women say they want and going off of what they do. Women are quite used to hamstering their way out of everything and most blue pilled men will accept whatever BS excuses they give. To actively challenge that idea is scares them.

E.G.

A woman claims she likes needs, she really just doesn't care if a guy has nerdy interests as long as he's attractive. She'll try to claim that she likes him for his personality or something but plaster that same personality on a short guy with a weak jaw and let panties dry up

[–]1byronshadow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why hate an incel (or any man) who is trying to better his life by coming here?

Most people don't want you improve your life. Men don't want the competition. With women they're affronted by the idea of a man learning to be more charismatic because they want a natural alpha.

I don't consider myself misogynistic at all

When a red-pilled man loves a woman he loves her, not some idealized image of a woman based on media as blue-pilled men do. TRP has made me a better husband to my wife and father to my daughter because I'm not under the delusion that they're perfect angels or guys in female bodies.

[–]NeedingAdvice86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a difference between the info and the posts on the forum....

And yes, there is a shit load ton of bitterness and hate which unleashes itself in the forum posts....

Most people discover TRP because they go looking for why their behavior of being considerate, kind and thoughtful toward women isn't working when she runs off to fuck the local drug dealer or douche just getting out from juvey for beating up his baby mama. Most normal people find the sub, read the sidebar, make slight modifications to their behavior, go find a woman or several women to fuck and disappear to lead happy, fulfilling times.

The forums are populated by tons who can't fucking let it go...and wallow in their bitternesshate toward females...and yes that includes some of the endorsed contributors who have spent just a little too much time engrossed for years in the melee of the bitterness and have to come up with fan-fiction to satisfy the resident incelsitters who don't just get on with living fucking life after learning how attraction really does work.

[–]Thizzlebot 2 points3 points  (3 children)

There's a lot of good information here but armchair experts and RP LARPs take it too far and it's off putting which is fair.

[–]Whodatunkit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

lolz, yeah. lots of LARPs in here. To be fair, asktrp is the new hangout for wayward teen angst. The posts here are often riddled with gross misunderstandings and outright lies. Then, they are perpetuated throughout the sub in other posts. There really hasn't been any good content on here in years. TRP has some really awesome sidebar reading even if you just use it for general knowledge. OP has posted about redpill on nonredpill sites. In the past, this has been a bannable offense. I don't see this post staying up much longer, but then again, who knows.

[–]thesquarerootof1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see this post staying up much longer, but then again, who knows.

I see my post as a very much needed discussion on here because there are some things in this community that are indeed extreme and we need some "checks and balances". I have been getting great replies here and the best ones are from those who don't like the Red Pill or use to be active in this sub. I want their opinions so I can get an understanding on what makes this sub hated to most people. I think it is a very valid discussion point. It's good to hear opposing views every now and again so we can build and learn about our shortcomings.

[–]deimos31415 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I mean I read men offending women here all the time. Calling them Sluts and worse. The thing is why would men be heros when they sleep around and get their chests up with every lay and then get absolutely digustet about a woman's past. That doesn't make any sense to me. I myself use some advice for dating that is on here and leave others. I have read many posts where men admit to be lonely and how people tell them they are like brick walls. Is that a life I want to live?

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The reason you have two responses to males and females having sex with lots of people is simple and rooted in biology.

Let's strand 99 guys and one girl on an island. Fast forward 9 months and you have one baby and a bunch of dudes trying to kill each other to reproduce.

Now let's do the opposite and have 99 girls and one guy on the island. About 9 months later you could have 99 babies.

The conclusion is that it's a man's job to spread his seed because he can. The man can make unlimited offspring. Its actually better biologically for the race for a man with superior gene's to reproduce with as many females as possible.

It's a woman's job to protect her womb because it is valuable, she can only have a few offspring in her life time. It's up to her to be as discerning as possible to produce the best offspring with the best genes because she only gets a few tries at it.

So that's why there is the double standard. Also, for a girl to fuck a bunch of guys, she only has to open her legs. For a guy to fuck a bunch of girls he has to be on top of everything in his life. Being a player takes a shit ton of effort, being a slut does not.

[–]RaccoonJanitor 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is well said. I agree. there is some good advice and strategies on here, especially about bettering yourself and psychology of women. But it is surrounded by a toxic culture where men often bash women unnecessarily. Sometimes i just can't stand the shit talk. It really distracts from those who have actually good advice.

[–]Whodatunkit 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Shit helps the rose to grow.

[–]RaccoonJanitor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We are not growing roses. Analogies i think distract from the real issue here. I'm just saying we need a less toxic hostile environment in TRP. I don't have a clever analogy it just seems like a good idea to me. I don't think the unnecessary women bashing helps our cause. We should be focusing on the positive sides of masculinity. And how it can create a good enviroment for both men AND women. a healthy relationship that is mutually good for women and men. One that could eventually lead to a family if that is your goal. Or maybe you stay single, which is fine too. But still a positive good relationship. One where you are the man of the relationship. You are confident. She lets you take the lead because she knows you have her interest in mind. and you love each other. You stay healthy. You lift. You have options if things go wrong. Your not some docile cheeto eating fool who gets lazy. You know that if you want a relationship to stay strong then you must keep your worth as is only natural. And same for her. but this doesn't mean you treat her like a whore or some mindless animal. she is still a complex person that mix with her basic women instincts. and you should treat her with respect. because you should try to treat everyone with respect. I hope our community can grow some in this way.

[–]bakamoney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because every sub has its extremes.

Also a lot of trp or atleast its followers are fucking hypocrites and are following it wrong.

Or - every guy has his own version of trp and some of it can be bad.

Second is the fringe-outrage.

Many reposts here and like x woman said/did/behaved like this so and an "outrage" follows even though the sample is fucking negligible.

Then there's the fan following stuff over x guy's videos or works which is held as gospel. Etc etc.

[–]ac714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This thread is giving lots of people a chance to vent. Happy to see it.

I love RP stuff because so much of it is unique, counter culture, and effective when integrated to one’s natural frame.

I feel that people misinterpret the real benefit of it all though and so it becomes justification to say and do things that are not right. The majority of advice I stumble into is stuff about if one girl says no then you move on. It’s a numbers game. Adjust your strategy as you go. Don’t invest a ton early on and be different.

Fix yourself in what you have to talk about, how you present yourself, and how you think so simple rejection is just the start of another attempt. Look for opportunity everyone but don’t go falling in love over someone just because they are kind. Maybe it doesn’t work out between you guys but her friends may be a better match.

It’s all about how reflect on your goals, how to get them, and dealing with the reality of the situation like caring for the emotions of all parties. Some people are too damn shy and anxious while others are egotistical and only care about getting theirs. TRP for me is about helping those who need a booster shot and those who need to round themselves out. Those who tend to charge forward without seeing the bigger picture are who give credence to the label of ‘morally reprehensible’.

[–]Whodatunkit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No starting debates as to whether TRP is moral or useful. Those go in PurplePillDebate.

[–]TRP_mask 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't hate this sub. I learned a lot from it, more recently that it's not all black and white and life is not just explainable by means of the red pill. After a year of red pill and putting it to good use my views shifted a lot, as I'm still 18 years old. To me, red pill is and will always be a good standard to work your way to the top. It's definitely not the best way in all circumstances or the only right way.

The core of this sub is amazing. Some things might be a little too harsh (but the truth is harsh sometimes) but it's true and it carries a great message. It motivates people to improve, understand life and could potentially save you in social disasters. But the sub changed, so so much. Or more accurately, the people on this sub did.

My main problem lately isn't the sub, but the people that are on it. I see that many people here are a special kind of arrogant. They have a flair and think they know anything. And I'm not judging them for having it because I'm very sure they deserved it, at least at that time, but just be a little kind to people. A more specific example, I recently got attacked on something I clearly called out not to know a lot about, also linking me to a post that he made to shittalk on people that asked questions that were stupid in his mind. I had this guy basically shittalking me for how retarded I was and he told me to read the sidebar. The sidebar. That thing I read 3 times over. And all that because he was superior to me since he had a flair. I don't accept that.

TLDR we're all here to ask for help, learn, improve or help others. Just be a little more kind to people. We're on the same side here. If we all treat each other with respect, the sub might be a little more inviting to newcomers.

[–]AnDuToit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no denying that red pill attracts a lot of misogynists. Is it based upon misogyny? As a woman who has lurked this sub and the main sub before it was suspended, I don't think so.

It's obvious from reading the actual material that TRP is about self improvement, gaining focus, becoming healthier and more successful. It's a male oriented philosophy that was missing in recent years. The ideas here aren't new, they're being repackaged for a new generation.

But who does TRP attract? From looking at posts from people new to TRP, you can see that most of them found this philosophy or decided to start following it because they have been hurt by women or because they didn't know how to act around women in the first place. TRP helps men gain confidence. Maybe it's easier to be confident around women if you're angry at them?

Now this is the internet and the most extreme posts get the most attention, and that's what people see and where they form their ideas about TRP. Extremes don't reflect the whole picture.

Personally, I don't think that TRP itself is misogynist. I do think that it attracts misogynists. It would be interesting to conduct a few surveys on this sub. There was a post asking about conservatism and TRP a few days ago that was interesting.

[–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all you need to say is the following: TRP tells men to get themselves together... to get in shape, set goals, pursue a purpose, and set his boundaries to live by. then after that, it tells them to truly understand the nature of women... the TRUE nature where they are considered and viewed as humans who lie, cheat, and manipulate... not the Disney fairy tale princess view.

the women are mad that they're being viewed as humans... and know themselves that women can be very evil to each other. they're being treated as equals... but don't want to have flaws and feminine instincts that are based on evolutionary progress (to survive).

the beta males are just cheerleaders that believe that agreeing with women all the time and ignoring their flaws and tendencies will get them laid.

the sad part is that the women will settle for these beta males (later) after having their fun with alphas as the wall approaches.

bottom line: women know about hypergamy... but are mad that you're learning & understanding it.

[–]smarthmouth123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesnt help that there is a bunch of insecure losers on this sub preaching that women are parasites grrrr lots of angry faces. Women are humans, noticing and making use of natural thought patterns and emotions is a totally natural thing to do, I understand that women do the things some people on this sub keep crying about. Read the sidebar if you are angry at women because trp is about improving yourself! Becoming a man women want to be around and generally taking charge and making the most out of your life. If you are still an insecure twat, wich if you stopped to think about it you are, read the side bar and grow up.

[–]SniXSniPe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Longterm TRP lurker here. Here are my thoughts:

  1. I think any longterm TRP poster/lurker can recognize that there are a lot of salty dudes who post on TRP. I'm talking, the kind of guys who hate on women any chance they can get--- whether it was because they were cheated on or because they fail with women and blame them for their own problems. The problem is, there attitude spills out to other communities. TRP is a public place to view discussion and spill out your own thoughts after all. Christ, some of the field reports I read on occasion felt heavily exaggerated and biased in order to make their view point seem more understable and agreeable.
  2. I don't agree with everything I read on TRP. You're not suppose to agree with everything spouted on here. If you can't think for yourself, you really miss the point. Some of the stuff I/we read does sound textbook misogynistic, I think anyone here can realize that. The problem is, these are the posts that many draw conclusions from on the outside public.

With that said, there is indeed some good advice despite the apparent sea of salt. You just have to do some digging and be mindful.

[–]Herebeorht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dislike the self-imposed absolutes people seem to ascribe to oneself or another. I dislike the single-mindedness, the belief that there is only 1 proper/ rational way to perceive and to act. I dislike the lack of depth that seems to be celebrated in regards to relationships. The lack of searching for any deeper meaning to life, no scouring of history or religions only delving deeper into this singularly shallow philosophy. I guess all I'm saying is a puddles a puddle, nothing less nothing more. Lol I dunno, Ive never heard anyone talking about trp outside of this subredditt and I have no great feelings of hate or love. Initially a little intrigued and from time to to time it leaves a sour taste within. Lol. i dunno i wouldnt worry about it. I think everyone does their best with what they got and I commend all humanity for that.

[–]cji25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude. Don’t talk about TRP with non-RPs. It will only bring hate.

On the other side, as other isers have pointed out, it makes people be insecure of their beliefs and the protection society brings them. This brings to fear, which in turn becomes hate.

Many women think TRP is anti-feminist, which I think is wrong. I believe many points from TRP and theorical feminism concurr. These are complementary theories, not oposing. We all look for equality and functionality in relationships. But many feminists are fanatics, not real thinkers. Which brings me to the same point on TRP. There are many angry red-pillers, which give the kind of controversial opinions that outsiders believe TRP is about.

It's just fear and lack of Information.

[–]N-methylamph 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It kinda does the tendency to generalize all woman in one category

[–]openvacant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lurker here. The reason people find it misogynistic is because the worldview behind it is that women are essentially manipulative emotional children who all want the same things, and who need to be manipulated instead into giving men what they want. It's a really limiting view that paints a massive group of people as all the same, and the generalizations are very insulting and diminishing of women's agency, ability to articulate their own desires, and deservingness of respect.

Some red pill principles come from psychology and are useful. Not having covert contracts is a great way to reduce resentment and clarify one's own needs. Having an abundance mentality is a good way to approach relationships with self-respect. But seeing women as plates to spin? Cutting women down to feed their need for an emotional push and pull? That is insulting sociopath shit.

[–]beefthathasredmiddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The worst aspect is often the loudest, and for TRP that worst aspect is all the anger phase guys who feel betrayed and blame women for it.

Another aspect could be that TRP condones sexual strategy which some aspects of it can be seen as manipulative and misogynistic.

TRP has a deep message and isn’t seen at the first level. It’s meant to attract sexually frustrated men. Which involves playing to the wants of sexually frustrated men and using sexual strategy as carrot on a stick for personal development. At least that’s how TRP has been for me. Others may have different experiences.

All in all, TRP only serves as a valuable too to those who are willing to change themselves and accept how sexual hierarchies work. A lot of people who come here aren’t willing to change themselves, and would rather become resentful than to actually put any real work into their lives.

[–]BluesyShoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm more of a lurker, but I visit this sub because there are a lot of interesting perspectives that I find constructive for what I am going through in my life. It has also helped me better understand the dating and flirting stage of meeting women. Lots of good ideas on here about lifestyle and discilipline, ect, and lots of new perspectives to entertain.

That said, there are often ideas that I just simply don't agree with. Many of my really good friends are women, and I simply love getting to know women. There's a lot of sentiment on here that women are only valuable sexually and socially, and it's a shame to think that. I just read (in another TRP thread) something along the lines of "get it out of your head that you will find a woman who can be your companion in life." That's just nonsense, there are several women in my life, some that I have known sexually in the past, that will most likely be lifelong friends of mine that I trust and who offer support. They are usually more spiritually and emotionally sorted out than any of the men I know (including myself) and I find their perspective enriching for my own life. And I simply enjoy spending time with them.

I guess a simple way to put it would be the idea of getting "friendzoned" by a girl you are interested in sexually/romantically. I may be wrong, but the sentiment on here is to deny them any more of your time, which is entirely insecure, misogynistic, and greedy. It takes courage and confidence to be emotionally vulnerable and to let compassion lead the way. It's fucking scary and often painful. Life, relationships, and companionship (in my eyes at least) can be a lot bigger than just a solo mission as an alpha male with a smattering of sexual encounters along the way--not that that's what this sub is in its entirety, but its hard to deny it doesn't lean in that direction a bit. Also, in my experience, women (and humanity in general) love guys who are equally confident and compassionate. It's a rare mix.

[–]tunit50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because most people in society nowadays are soft. They can’t accept that other people have different view points.

[–]st-johnson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only women and sjw

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cuz their just used to women being able to say things. men are only allowed to just "exist" and not say anything lol

[–]Platinirism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because to someone who’s just glancing at the subreddit... it is.

You regularly see men in there calling women children and to treat them like children.
They talk about how all women will cheat on someone better than you.
How simple honest women (aka unicorns) don’t exist.
How men should ignore women who say no.
How their problems aren’t as bad as men’s.
Etc. At the very base level TRP and the users in there are “misogynistic”. They aren’t going to trust or study anything TRP has to offer if one of the first highly upvoted comments they read in there is “Women are children and you should treat them like one”.

It has very little to do with making men better or changing relationship dynamics (like people are trying to claim here) and everything to do with the general content. Look at the seduction subreddit, it teaches most of the stuff TRP talks about without everything I mentioned above, it gets no where near the amount of hate TRP does. But has similar goals in mind.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because we, the founders, planned it that way.

[–]suprlotto -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Former red piller here 2 years ago back when I was in my lowest, if you asked me then, I would have said “Oh they are just betas”, but then I read models and realized how stupid I looked. I’m on mobile now, so I can’t type much, but TL;DR, a lot of the tips are considered “Rapey”. One of the most disgusting video I’ve seen was when one of the RSD guys pressured a married girl to kiss him while telling his audience oh yeh bro, she totally liked me. Only reason she did that was because she was obviously nervous. There are definitely legitimate dating coaches are there. There are also lots of bull shits. Look up “let’s get girls” on YouTube. It’s some Indian guy and some american guy who are obviously very insecure. There’s a clear difference between a dating coach and a PUA. Every once in a while, I like to watch his videos cuz i think he’s entertaining lol as in, he looks like a complete fool, all while his ego is very high. It’s just entertaining to see somebody like that. If you disagree, change my mind.

[–]Whodatunkit 6 points7 points  (5 children)

No idea what you are talking about. But a few bad apples should not spoil the bunch. You cherry-picked information to prove your point. As a former red-piller, which I seriously doubt you are, you would have read the sidebar and understood the value it has. Even if you chose not to use it, there are some pretty solid concepts which have passed peer review around the world and accepted practices. Your comment is a good representation of your life; it's garbage in a dumpster that is on fire. Red Pill isn't only about women. It is about being a better man. However, like all haters of this sub, this point is lost to you. That's the truth. That's why people hate on this sub. They don't understand it and are too lazy and unwilling to read the information. Then, like you, bandwagon on the hate train. I would try to help you out, but as you are aware, betas can't be reasoned with--read the sidebar, like we all know you didn't-- they just have to be tossed out like bad apples before they spoil the bunch.

[–]suprlotto 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Man, I completely agreed with your comment until the very end when you said beta. The very second I see somebody call somebody else a beta, you lose credibility real quick. Clarifying yourself as this superior being, whilst others are ‘beta’ is just downright pathetic bro. I’m not jumping on the hate bandwagon, I’ve been part of the red pill community since like 2011, so yeh I pretty much know my shit. It’s just this thing isn’t for me. I don’t see the point in going to the mall and spending hours of my time just to approach women, but if it’s helping you with your problems, I mean go for it, but the second you call somebody a beta, then your just bullying. Which just further demonstrates my point about Trp and ego. There’s a clear difference between a dating coach and a pickup artist, I hope you don’t get those confused. I wish you the very best in your red pill journey, my friend.

[–]Whodatunkit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Calling you a beta is not a disparaging term. They just cannot be reasoned with. Again, read the sidebar. If you are offended by even using the term. Then this entire sub is offending to you. Calling me a bully to explain how the terms on this sub works is entertaining. Read the sidebar. Your passive aggressive attitude is very typical of beta behavior. Read the sidebar. Instead of calling me out and telling me to go fuck myself, you beat around the bush and use passive aggressive behavior to justify your thought process. There is no superiority here. There never was. There is just understanding from a new viewpoint. It's like standing on your desk in highschool ala Dead Poets Society. It's up to you what you want to do with that new viewpoint. I'm responding to this not because it will change your beta worldview, but for others to see what a prime example you are of typical betaism and why you should never enter the dumpster fire that is debating with a blue pilled persona.

[–]suprlotto -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You’re completely right! Sorry about that Alpha Redditor for as I am a insecure Beta. I’m completely in tears after being called a ‘Beta’. I shall commit suicide as I am very insecure unlike you who gets lots of bitches. Have a good night, chief!

[–]Whodatunkit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really wish you were a better person and redpill took hold on you. You just completely lost frame and gave it to me. Work on that, because men and women like me are everywhere. You deserve better for yourself. I really mean that. I won't, because you deserve better. You deserve to be a better human. Part of being better is understanding who you are. Get your frame back bro. It's a tough world out there.

[–]theherosmyth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, you really didn’t get it if your take away message is “I don’t see the point in going to the mall and spending hours of my time just approaching women.” That’s not even the point of the red pill. The point is to look behind the curtains to see the true mechanics of women’s dating, sexual and reproduction strategy. It’s about accepting women’s true nature, and not being bitter about it but accepting it and strategizing accordingly.

That knowledge is a lens through which one can see intersexual dynamics. It’s also about being on your path to becoming the best version of yourself. You do that for yourself, but the fact that it raises your SMV is a welcome side effect.

The knowledge can be applied in relationships, or in dating (and indeed picking up women).

[–]Radkin007 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You got a TL;DR for your TL;dr mate?

[–]suprlotto -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Woah I got 2 upvotes lol anyways, but I’m a former red piller. A lot of PUA are unqualified and don’t give out good advice. Tends to give advice that are rapey and likes to say “it’s asserting dominance”. The YouTube channel ‘letsgetgirls’ are entertaining to me because they have the biggest whilst looking like a complete fool of themselves.

[–]elcremero -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's a substantial amount of users that think

  1. All women have the minds of children. It's funny they even addressed women who go to law or med school, they say "yeah they can study but they'll never have a mission or purpose" lol

  2. All women will at the drop of a hat suck Chad's cock and cheat on their bf

[–]demalteb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I mean... just to quote this tidbit from the sticky post:

Rationalization Hamster: Analogy for the thought processes used by women to turn bad behavior and bad decisions into acceptable ones to herself and her friends. When a woman makes a bad decision, the hamster spins in its wheel (the woman’s thinking) and creates some type of acceptable reasons for that bad decision. The crazier the decision, the faster the hamster must spin in order to successfully rationalize away the insanity.

This is essentially saying that a whole gender is absolutely full of shit.

I'm saying this is kind of misogynistic, is it not? Actually, kind of extremely, overtly and absolutely misogynistic and sexist in an absolutely horrifying and ridiculous way.

Not to mention that it is utterly stupid.

[–]bongohai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your view of TRP is a bit extreme I'd say. Making playful references to the differences between the sexes is not necessarily misogynistic or sexist. Also, TRP is not PUA. PUA is a superficial application of TRP principles. Maybe you're in love. That doesn't mean men and women are the same though. There are undesirable viewpoints in the TRP community, but no need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

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[–]MakoShark93 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"The true redpill is to realize that apelike and r social/sexual relations are a trait of tropical environment and that civilization and progress came about from the cold environments and monogamous and ascetic populations... not from the dance and fun loving tropics."

That was the most dressed up racist bull-shit I've read today.