Why do all women feel like they deserve a 9 or a 10 guy when they look like a HB5 or HB6? (self.asktrp)

submitted by shamakvv

I see this all the time!!!

Women strive to obtain the best looking men, even if that guy is way out of their league. On average, men tend to be way more health conscious than women when they get older. Just take a look at most men in their 30's compared to most women, and you'll see what I mean. All these women that feel like they deserve a 9 or a 10 look like they don't even work out or take care of their body. It's like they expect the man to be better looking, taller, more successful, and more fun to be around than she is.

Then later on, all these women tell themselves, "Where have all the good men gone?" Why do women do this? How can they say they deserve highly successful men when they bring no value whatsoever? Please help me understand this!

[–]3CainPrice 185 points186 points  (12 children)

The rating system doesn't really apply to women.

If a "6" goes to a bar and throws herself at a "9", he'll say yes to sex. If they exchange numbers and keep in touch and she'll come over and have sex with him any time he doesn't feel like going out and meeting someone else, they can be fuck-buddies. This "6" can have hot sex with a "9" for a few months until one of them finds a real relationship or gets bored with the other. And she can repeat the process with as many hot guys as she wants.

Why the hell would she settle for a real relationship with an average guy she's only kind of lukewarm about when she can have sex with someone who actually turns her on?

It's not that she's entitled and feels that she deserves a hot guy. She literally gets hot guys. She is having sex with hot guys.

[–]Bedtimeshine 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Any guy that doesn’t know this, doesn’t know any girls well.

[–]3CainPrice 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Exactly. This is kind of Red Pill 101:

A woman would rather have purely recreational sex with a guy she's seriously attracted to than a full-fledged relationship with a guy she's only kind of okay about.

And she's not even trying to manipulate the attractive guy into a relationship. She knows it's just sex. That doesn't matter to her. She enjoys the sex.

She would rather have just sex with a quality guy than a real relationship with a devoted loser.

If you're a loser guy, you don't matter. All of the love and devotion in the universe that you would heap upon a woman is worthless. Absolute zero.

That's Red Pill 101. Men get zero points for just existing and showing up and loving a girl. That's worthless.

[–]fignootins 16 points17 points  (8 children)

So incels are right then?

[–]TheShearerComplex 25 points26 points  (4 children)

What the statement above fails to incorporate is if the guy is truly a 9, he probably has about 75% of girls within his age demographic throwing themselves at him (even plenty with boyfriends).

A good friend of mine is a part time model and banker, as a joke (experiment for me) I got him to go on tinder, with some of his modelling shots and within a 24 hours he had over 100 matches and around 20 girls straight up messaging him first asking him to “come around or asking if he is free, not just a generic hi. He was fairly selective on what he swiped right on.

Obviously tinder girls aren’t a indicator of all girls, but ive lost count the amount of times girls have come up to us when we are in a bar and asked for his number for a “single friend”. They then proceed to flirt with him while the single friend sits disappointed in the corner.

Most girls who are 6 wouldn’t even enter onto his radar. As he naturally has abundance.

[–]itsjustsimon- 19 points20 points  (3 children)

That's painful to read man while you're giving every minute of your day to increase your SMV.

[–]TheShearerComplex 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Meh part of being a man is realising life can be unfair and to take it on the chin and keep grafting anyway without whining (people hate whiners).

Don’t concentrate on how easy some others peoples lives are, as you can never win that game. Someone is always richer, better looking and more charming. Oh and by the way you probably have it a million times better then some dude in Africa walking 10km every day for a sip of water that will give him violate diarrhoea for the next week.

Just concentrate on getting your own personal PB everyday and see where you are in 1,5 and 10 years time.

[–]dons90 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Don’t concentrate on how easy some others peoples lives are, as you can never win that game

This is the most liberating mindset you can have, and it allows you to really focus on yourself and go at your own pace

[–]The__Tren__Train 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you should derive pleasure from your self-improvement.

growing and becoming a better person should be enjoyable for you.

[–]Whodatunkit 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Not really. Men have to remember that there are alot, and I mean a ton of women out there with low self esteem. Words like all, every and the like are not used to prove most things. We know this from taking tests in college/highschool. So, get on that girl that got denied by the 9 because, well, there are plenty to choose from. There's all kinds of chicks out there that feel horrible about themselves. While I wouldn't date, I would plate. Been there done it, got the jacket. Chicks like that are easy and usually a sloppy mess by the end of the night.

[–]Luis_McLovin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Incels are bitter losers who refuse to acknowledge they have the power to improve their lives and reap the same rewards they see other men enjoying, and instead wallow in self pity, toxic hate and deep seated internal issues.

[–]Mescalean 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No. Incels gave up on the game like pussies. Not hard to go to the gym and monk it for a year saving cash. Any guy who can’t get themselves in the gym that isn’t disable or the like was coddled or something when younger. So many men don’t know how to push themselves these days an its sad. Today I am now thanking my father for the options of “straight A’s, football and wrestling, or military school. I chose sports. Thanks dad for not being a pussy.

[–]Krsna108 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah fekk skje aksje

[–]Time_Animal_ 91 points92 points  (11 children)

Women don't feel like they deserve a 9, they just are going to jump on whatever is the best that will fuck them. Men will fuck a 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. Women will only fuck the 9. That's the difference.

the problem with today's world is that the internet has allowed women to hook up with 9s, which is against the natural order of things because

  1. In a tribal setting women would understand the pecking order and would not put effort or have expectations for a 9 because she would know that the 9 valued girl x, y and z more than her. She would see on a daily basis how the 9 treated them better than her.

  2. In a tribal setting if a man started monopolizing the sex the other men would kill him.

but today's system allows women to sneak off into the bushes with 9s

[–]ChadTheWaiter100 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is hilarious. It’s funny that, I’m some instances, women do understand the pecking order. But you’re absolutely correct, in most cases they don’t.

[–]jackandjill22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All these answers are accurate. This is the best.

[–]geo_gan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So, you’re saying if I get matches from good looking girls on Tinder I must be a nine? 😉

[–]Time_Animal_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, you could be the 5 giving them attention

[–]one_hidden_boi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well articulated

[–]ltrthrowaway123 44 points45 points  (8 children)

It’s because there are plenty of betas around to give them whatever they ask for, brings on a feeling of entitlement.

[–]CharlesChadworth 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Truth right here ^

Thirsty cunts inflate their ego.

[–]boredathome19 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Be a 9 and watch them after you reject them. They can't handle that. It's insane.

[–]ltrthrowaway123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why would they want to handle it? They deserve the best of course, they’re princesses.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Been saying this forever, desperate dudes are letting chicks expect too much.

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    [–]ltrthrowaway123 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    They have been conditioned by society to accept and fulfill the role of a beta male. They think it’s the norm.

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      [–]ltrthrowaway123 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Alpha fucks, beta bucks. They fuck/lust over the alphas but settle down for the betas because they provide them with comfort. Alphas keep them on their toes, so it’s more effort on their part.

      [–]Kommanderdude 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Online dating apps have given women a inflated sense of self worth. Before online dating the hb5 and lower were hardly approached in public. Now every fugly hb-1 fatty has hundreds of guys on tinder and the rest of the apps blowing her up to get a piece of that rotten crotch.

      [–]kim_jong_cum 23 points24 points  (1 child)

      Women will feel insulted if they get hit on by ugly or average men. Women want to feel that they are good enough to be approached by good looking men. Also, I agree that most women are unrealistic about what they want but if a girl sees her friend with this super successful guy, then she will tell herself, "I deserve someone like that too!" Which is why the 80/20 rule still exists!

      [–]geo_gan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Super successful or good looking? You used two different classifications there which are not the same. So which is it or is it actually both they want and expect.

      [–]alphatom63 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Well if you want to go by biology, there is reasoning behind this. Back in the caveman days, the goal was to populate quickly with the best genetics possible.

      This ended up with men trying to sleep with as many different women as possible to populate as much as they can. You can see this is relevant today in multiple studies where men grow extremely tired of sleeping with the same woman, and get extremely aroused by the sight of another woman, even if they are both HB8. It is also one of the reasons pornography is so satisfying (seeing so many different women) but that is for another post.

      On the other hand, women wanted babies with the best genetics. Therefore they wanted the most alpha man in the group. This ended up with the alpha of the group sleeping around with all of the women, not because they are as attractive, but because they are different. You can see this play out in today's world when a guy who is a nine sleeps with an HB6.

      [–]bakamoney 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Lulwut? In the said tribal days. Food was fucking limited.

      And your pack wasn't gonna survive shit if all women did were to be pregnant all year. And men actually had to work their asses off to survive. Fucking all day wasn't the goal.

      [–]alphatom63 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It definitely can be debated, but if you are looking for a realistic answer to his question you just have to agree with Darwin's view. He theorized that the strongest men took harems while the weaker men masturbated or murdered their leaders. This would make sense, considering how we behave as humans today.

      [–]bob13bob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      you grossly misunderstand evolution and it's early theoretical stages of darwin. It was never strongest; it was fittest. With humans, it was likely most intelligent. Humans are one of the weakest animals on earth, our bodies invest massive resources in to our brains. Top women's fantasies are surgeons, billionaires, pirates and vampires. at least two of these establishes mental competence and power.

      [–]turtle-temptation 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Disney and fairy tails.

      [–]geo_gan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      *Tales 😭

      [–]turtle-temptation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      True lol

      [–]mrpoopistan 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      There's a ton of research that suggests people constantly attempt to violate the Two-Point Rule by about 25% above their actual attractiveness. (There was a Tinder study that offered some good stuff.)

      I'll push back a bit against the mob's claims that male 9s fuck female 5s all the time. The truth is that human males are fairly discerning compared to other members of the animal kingdom.

      [–]NeedingAdvice86 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The ones saying that are not 9s......that is for sure.

      Those are the words of guys desperate for sight of any piece of pussy so they project that they would hit any HB2 that offered them sex.

      Honestly, the truest Chad I knew was after a good time on a night out and rejected tons of HB5,6,7s because he had grown tired of just fucking any random old girl by the 2nd year of undergrad.....only a really hot or interesting girl got a chance to pound with him. Thing is that girls quickly sensed whether he was interested in them and they didn't hang out trying to win him over...they just took the loss and moved on. And while he got stares from loads of girls when he entered the room and I never saw in 4 years a girl who he tried to seduce give him a NO....even girls who were attracted to him did not openly make approaches or moves on him. They eyed the shit out of him, smiled and preened but almost all but the crazy were too insecure to risk this hot guy from rejecting them.

      After a while, a hole is just a hole to guys who have it offered to them just for breathing.

      [–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And this, gentlemen, is precisely what "abundance mentality" is all about.

      [–]Giga_Caligula 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      thats how they are raised. its called something like princess syndrome or some shit. it creates a false sense of inflated ego, entitlement, and hating their equal and lower

      [–]sonnydanger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Hypergamy. That's why.

      [–]TheFlyingPro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This has evolutionary roots indeed (which is linked to some red pill 101 knowledge).

      Biologically speaking, a man can have as many sexual partners as he wants. Thus, men aim at polygamy.

      On the other hand, a woman can be pregnant only of one single male. Thus, she will aim at hypergamy.

      Little imaginary experiment.

      Let’s say there are two islands. Island A hosts 1 male and 4 females, while island B has 4 males and 1 female. It is not difficult to imagine how the two islands’ sexual market places will work. Island A is in a way better position. Namely, the single dude will have sex with all the 4 chicks and all of them will be pregnant (I.e. polygamy). Conversely, in Island B the 4 males will have to compete over 1 single woman, who will eventually end up with the so-called alpha male (I.e. hypergamy).

      You see, girls in a non-regulated SMP, such as the one we deal with in the contemporary western world, follow their biological imperative (I.e. hypergamy). They do what they are programmed to do, so – coming to your question – they feel naturally entitled to the alpha male.

      This is nature. If a small percentage of excellent individuals can get a large percentage of females pregnant, then females must naturally pursue outstanding males.

      Your riddle is solved. Peace

      [–]Bagul_demon 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      Pop culture has ruined women's perception of what an ideal man should look like. They want to be hit on by this super good-looking Chad model so that they can tell all their friends about it. It's unfair to most men but that's just the way it is. Women only want to date or marry men, if they can gain some value from it

      [–]Bedtimeshine 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      It’s not unfair in any way shape or form for any man.

      [–]Naebany 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      But it's not fair when the media spreads "unhealthy too perfect female image"?

      [–]Bedtimeshine 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Unhealthy for who? Every woman on earth could have perfect body.

      [–]Naebany 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      "Unhealthy" as in too "perfect" that makes women feel bad about themselves.

      [–]Bedtimeshine 1 point2 points  (1 child)


      [–]Naebany 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I was just wondering if that's unfair for you too.

      [–]frankreyes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Women don't understand statistics.

      My mother was born when my grandmother was 45, and thus was convinced that any women was able to naturally get pregnant like my grandmother. She did not understand what "probability" means, and she still doesn't.

      Then my mother, being the grown-up person she is, still complains about she being overweight, and asks every day "why is there people that eat all day and don't get fat? what do they do?". She believes that is it just a matter of wiliness, that all people are the same and when you eat more food you'll get fat. NO, MOTHER ITS GENETICS.

      My ex gf has half a dozen degrees in STEM and her IQ is twice the mine. And still, when she was upset, would behave like a 12 year old girl throwing a tantrum. It was unbelievable.

      Like my mother, lots of women out there don't see that. They still behave like 12 year old girls who are living in a world of fairy tales. And of course they want their personal prince.

      [–]GL_QUAD 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      (Short) story time?

      So there was this one girl - no beauty to die for by any means, but in my book, she'd do. A butterface, looked good five years older than her actual age, embodied a few annoying cliches, and neurotic. I did find some of her neurotic bouts cute, though; also, she did have some decent personality quirks, and a fine ass. A 6, shall we say... which would put me right on par with her in the SMP, I suppose.

      So she fucken tells me she finds my personality quirks unattractive. Again, I'm a mixed bag of good/bad/ugly, but it just ain't good enough for her. She explains that she could get herself a man -- if she wanted to do that -- it is just that she is holding out for a man "she'd be able to spend the life with" (read: "I deserve a male 9".)

      Well good fucken luck there, honey.

      As for me, most of these sixes, or a select few of the fives, are as low as I could go. Below that, it is the unattractive territory -- one looks at a girl like that, and one does not desire her; one feels indifferent and/or straight pities her instead. Being an average man does, indeed, suck ass.

      [–]korben_manzarek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I feel the the comments here are not complete without an answer involving the words 'hypergamy' and 'dualistic mating strategy'. Use the search on the main subreddit to find out more about those concepts.

      [–]1ANGRY_ATHEIST 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Not one person here has mentioned the term alpha widow?

      [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      H Y P E R G A M Y

      [–]Musicgoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)


      [–]DeusVictor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I wouldn’t think much in to it everyone wants to upgrade not downgrade and everyone thinks themselves to be hot so that’s why

      [–]Bing_Bang_Bam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It makes it easier to pump and dump. When they realize I'm broke and my life kinda sucks after we bang.

      [–]Caspero444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's the marketplace and marketplaces are not fair. All kinds of average women can get casual sex with younger and more attractive guys . Next time you go on a Tinder date ask them about it. Most of them love to blab about their sexcapades. And all the guys driving long distances to hook up with them

      [–]richasalannister 0 points1 point  (0 children)


      [–]RedSkeller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They know damn well but taking responsibility is a rare thing these days. Probably a series of botched relationships with bad dudes and a series of bad decision from insecurities and pressure to get married. Receipt for a train wreck. Add in the ability to see every dude in 50 miles to fuck on a whim and shit gets nuts.

      [–]totoro_make 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think also because they feel as if their "careers" or whatever should be enough to attract a guy when 9/10 it's what they look like. So many women I meet around my age are mostly land whales or have makeup caked on so thick I'm scared to see what they would actually look without it. Just stick to younger women in their 20's or women who actually realize they have to take care of themselves and eat healthy/workout regularly.

      [–]CaptainBW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      What is Hypergamy 101. Sidebar faggot.

      [–]Musicgoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)