Does the true nature of women turn you off? (self.asktrp)

submitted by justarandomguy15

I was with this FWB planning our trip together where she had to open her Facebook and open a link I sent to her to check the place on her laptop. Mistakenly, she pressed the "See all" box and a long list of texts between her and her contacts popped up.

I spotted a guy called Martin with a last message sent from her as "Yay! I'll see you later then 😍"

I spotted another guy called Oliver who sent her a last message, "It's gonna be a lot of fun ❀"

And a few others.

Don't get me wrong guys. I'm not seeing any LTR prospects with this girl as she's leaving the country soon for good (she's an exchange student) and already has a boyfriend back home. But it stroke me that underneath that soft skin, shampooed hair, cute eyes, well-rounded butt and bouncing boobs, there lays a very dark creature. A Machiavellian figure as dark as all the Machiavellian figures mentioned in Greene's 48 Laws of Power.

I'm seeing multiple girls and trying to plate some, but thinking ahead 10-15 years from now when I'll actually start thinking about settling down and having little bastards, I got lowkey depressed.

I mean the fact that girls nowadays have only to act cute to get some guy and that they could have a much more superior abundance than guys is really depressing and some girls use it VERY VERY WELL.

The connection with this girl is very beautiful and we're very good buds, but thinking that she's having the same thing with other dudes riding and sucking their cocks the same way as me got through to me for a second. I felt kinda disgusted at the thought and wanted to know how you would deal with this.

EDIT: For god's sake, people. Stop telling me I'm doing the same thing to her. Which part of "SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND BACK HOME" you didn't get?

If she were single and banging other guys, sure. But she has a boyfriend and she's playing chastised, nah.

[–]tracymacc 196 points197 points  (7 children)

It’s the hardest pill to swallow....it makes the red pill even more real...for those of us who would enjoy starting a family. It sux because who would trust or want to have kids with creatures as unstable and machaveliion as most modern day women...it isn’t getting any better. Definitely feel your pain

[–]TheGillos 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Yep. I gave up on marriage, family and kids a while ago. It can still happen, don't get me wrong... but you can also win 100 million in the lottery. Doesn't mean the odds are good.

[–]The__Tren__Train 20 points21 points  (0 children)

you should get married bro

that would be hilarious

[–]dukes1998 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The realization that most people in general are like this is an even harder pill to swallow tbh. Women are often this way because they’re on average a lot more socially adept, but everyone is looking out for themselves first and foremost. Loyalty is a very rare trait to be coveted.

[–]redditaccountiuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

agree with this comment...at the same time, i want marriage and kids and have to learn to reconcile these issues. nothing in life is perfect, and neither am i.

[–]AmazonAlphaMale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may be true. But one thing that’s not mentioned is SMV. if you’re a 9 and she’s a 6 there’s no way she’s going to cheat on you.

[–]ELFuhler 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Knowing that β€œit’s just my turn” is probably the hardest pill for me to swallow.

Me and this chick connected very well over the summer. We were β€œsynced” together mentally and I dare say she may be one of the best friends I’ve ever had. As soon as she left for school, things got bumpy. I got a call from her one day telling me she β€œaccidentally” got too drunk and β€œaccidentally” passed out at a frat house. Shit was so hard to deal with.

This life is strange. Especially in this day and age. The ideas of morals and commitment are at an all time low in terms of how much people actually care about them. Fuck modernity and fuck the darker side of human nature.

[–]ANAL_SAILBOAT 60 points61 points  (2 children)

It’s very hard to internalize the β€œit’s just my turn” attitude without feeling like a cuck tbh. So much of male desire is possession, it’s actual hard work to not get jealous or annoyed knowing I’m just the Mr. Tuesday she picked out of a buffet of short-term cock.

[–]ELFuhler 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Yeah, in that situation you just have to realize your biology is fucking with you. Your brain is telling you to be possessive and to have things under control. Because if she’s not committed to staying with you, what the fuck does that mean regarding your own worth.

Guys, the trick is to value yourself more than anyone else who might value you. Stop telling yourself you’re a worthless piece of shit. You have potential. As soon as you TRULY know how valuable you are, others will see it too. And hell, maybe some girls will stick around instead of buffeting.

[–]dapowa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hard disagree here.

Cuck means something VERY different. Male desire is normal, women desire our desire, but it only matters if you're someone they believe is worth a shit in the first place.

It's still just your turn, unless you suppose to LTR a woman. The game begins to advance after that, but only in trivial aspects.


Just your turn, if you can't lead or cannot discern shit prospects.

[–]prawnfynder2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For real. I kinda wish I was born in the future when we just completely give up on this old fashioned idea of "dating" and shit.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 25 points26 points  (7 children)

But it stroke me that underneath that soft skin, shampooed hair, cute eyes, well-rounded butt and bouncing boobs, there lays a very dark creature. A Machiavellian figure as dark as all the Machiavellian figures mentioned in Greene's 48 Laws of Power.

Not quite.

That creature is actually an ordinary 5 year old. Anything that feels good, is good. Anything that feels bad, is bad. Anything she wants, she deserves. The bearer of bad news is a big meanie. Everyone else should be held to account for how their actions made her feel. She is only responsible for what she meant to do. Socialism is free money. Any misfortune she suffers is a great injustice, and anyone nearby has to make it up to her. Any misfortune others suffer is hilarious.

[–]self-medicate 2 points3 points  (6 children)

If I were to ever have a partner (like a wife), I'd want to consider her my equal in terms of intellect, values, etc. Do you think this is unrealistic?

[–]KumonRoguing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've yet to meet an attractive woman that was intelligent. Why be intelligent when you don't have to be?

[–]Psychological_Radish 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Women don’t want their equals, guy. They want their superiors. Get off the relationship equality bullshit. There’s a reason why the media show nurses fuck doctors and the CEO bangs his secretaries

[–]self-medicate 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I don't care about what women want, I want at least my equal or someone better. If I decide to spend my life with one other person, I'm sure as hell not picking someone I feel is under me. I might as well be alone

[–]Psychological_Radish -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Have you been even been reading Red Pill materials? Hypergamy always seeks above its own level. Study after study shows that women are less happy in marriages where their husbands are lower status, i.e. earn less money. Get the vagina off the pedestal.

[–]whatdidshewrite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He says he wants an equal lol that's not putting women on a pedestal.

[–]rambler429 64 points65 points  (13 children)

Women, by nature have an abundance mindset. No girl has to sleep alone if she doesn't want to, unless shes either severely overweight or a total mess.

Think about how different your life would be if you never had to worry about being without a woman.

This is the female mindset.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 15 points16 points  (5 children)

I saw a college confession meme thing the other day.

It was a chick saying how One day in College she DECIDED to not be a virgin anymore. She's just like meh fuck it I'll bang now, and got laid.

Pretty interesting.

[–]rambler429 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Also, don't forget that women can DECIDE to be gay or straight and change back and forth with no consequences.

Try that as a dude and see how that works out.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 18 points19 points  (3 children)

I did try it.

Sucked a dick just once...


Now ALL my buddies call me gay. Even Uncle Ray.


[–]PM_Me_Fuhrer_Memes 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Bro it’s not gay if you say no homo, don’t let anyone tell you other wise. It’s okay bro. I love you bro. No homo

[–]lookoutitscaleb 8 points9 points  (0 children)


[–]UniversalFapture 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You did that fr?

[–]markinsinz7 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Yea I know which is why it always confuses me when I hear regular basic bitches making drama over that one guy they have been fuckin. When they could just hop on tinder or whatever and get a new one within an hour.

It also makes me wonder how many dudes around here say 'next' but can actually follow through. And maybe why even next for some boundaries being crossed - just simply demote to plate.

True abundance to achieve for a guy is hard even if it's just a mentality thing.

[–]chrisname 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They have sexual abundance but not romantic abundance.

[–]raadim 2 points3 points  (4 children)

It's been mentioned by others million times. But I'll write it again. Hypergamy.


Hypergamy means to look for the best guy possible. To find the best possible she has to go through some sample of other guys to find the BEST. You're not the best.

You as a man go for quantity, she wants quality. But to assess quality she has to have a sample of guys she can compare. When she'll find her BEST possible, she'll stick to him like crazy.

[–]markinsinz7 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You telling me they hop on tinder and don't find an equally good looking /equal status or even way fuckin better Chad than the one in front of them?

They fuckin do ...100%

[–]raadim 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No, that's not what I said.

[–]markinsinz7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I know but that's the centrepoint of my earlier comment. What you responded is true and very much something I'm well aware of - like no shit, hypergamy....

But I'm talking about how girls get all crazy for some guy when they could be hopping on hotter dick in seconds

[–]plenty_of_eesh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because sex isn't all she wants. Your other respondent above put it succinctly: they may have sexual abundance but they don't have romantic abundance.

[–]SirAttackHelicopter[🍰] 38 points39 points  (6 children)

Lets not forget, folks, that if you're looking for plates as a plate spinner, that in order for those plates to be mentally stable plates and more than drunken one nite stands, they have to be plate spinners too. And to think that there exists unicorn women, is just another bluepill mindset of putting that girl on a pedestal.


In other words, women are humans, and every single one of them are unique and different. Every single one of them resides on personality scales, some more extreme than others.

[–]lookoutitscaleb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean.

Virgins and women who are less promiscuous do exist. They're rare but they're out there. Not all hookups have to be with women who are out partying and rage frequently.

[–]markinsinz7 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Lol you are kidding yourself.

Any guy spinning plates would prefer if their plates are not fuckin other dudes. I've never heard any Chad whatsoever be OK with sharing shit like that. A hardcore slut that fuck the entire football team yea that shitt is fine but not other basic bitches

[–]SirAttackHelicopter[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Any guy spinning plates would prefer if their plates are not fuckin other dudes. I've never heard any Chad whatsoever be OK with sharing shit like that. A hardcore slut that fuck the entire football team yea that shitt is fine but not other basic bitches

LOL. You might wanna reread what you wrote. I would recommend starting your redpill journey by reading the sidebar.

[–]markinsinz7 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This has nothing to do with the redpill stuff it's a matter of personal preference. Some guys just don't like to share some guys are OK with it but don't want the girl talking about it whatsoever

[–]SirAttackHelicopter[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This has nothing to do with the redpill stuff it's a matter of personal preference. Some guys just don't like to share some guys are OK with it but don't want the girl talking about it whatsoever

Doublestandard enforcement on women, claiming chads are never okay with it, claiming this type of girl is otherwise sluts who fuck entire football teams... Smells entirely like a bitter niceguy wrote that comment. But just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea. And TRP is supposed to unplug guys from the niceguy mindset. So, yeah, it has everything to do with TRP.

[–]markinsinz7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk how you're seeing that maybe it is. I do have bitterness in me but it's not against women it's more to do with my own personal past or much lack of sexual history. I understand their nature now perfectly. They don't just decide "oh I'm gonna get wet for this skinny guy" - attraction is not a choice, she either does like or doesn't and that feeling can change with the flip of a coin.

My point originally is that I know plenty of guys, Chads included - guys with plenty of sexual options and abundance who just wouldn't get into an LTR with a plate that was fuckin multiple other dudes in the early stages

[–]3CainPrice 136 points137 points  (38 children)

Men really don't know women until they've been in a sex-only relationship with a woman who's not trying to get anything more out of it.

Women like sex. They literally like sex, for its own sake, because it's fun and feels good, and connecting with another human sure beats masturbating. Plus, penetration hits some better spots for them than a finger can.

They're not (or at least not always) trying to use sex to manipulate a guy into a relationship. They're not trying to use sex to get attention from guys. They are literally enjoying sex because it feels good, and connecting with someone else, even if just briefly, is fun.

Women enjoy sex, for its own sake. And that's not evil, disgusting, or a turn off.

Your particular girl is cheating on a boyfriend back home, but most girls, if they get horny and have an accessible boyfriend, have sex with their boyfriends. If they're dating someone, they have sex at the end of their next date. If a girl doesn't have a boyfriend and isn't dating anybody she likes, and she has the opportunity to have causal sex, why the hell wouldn't she? It she seriously supposed to go home horny and finger herself, saving her purity for some future husband she hasn't met yet and might never?

If you didn't have a girlfriend and weren't dating anybody you really liked, and you had the opportunity for casual sex, you'd take that over jerking off, right? That's not terrible or disgusting.

Your issue isn't disgust that women like this one enjoy casual sex. It's jealously that women like this have such an easy time getting it while you have to work your ass off for it.

[–]KilluaKanmuru 15 points16 points  (16 children)

All really great points. What's your view on monogamy as it relates to life as a man? If I were single, a women's sexual nature is fun and even appealing. But, in a relationship , if a women cheats on her bf or anything, I'm disgusted. I also find it challenging to reconcile my views of polyamory. I really don't understand why that would be worth participating in.

[–]3CainPrice 32 points33 points  (15 children)

You're looking at relationships the wrong way. A relationship is just a verbal agreement to be sexually exclusive with one person. The only thing keeping you two together is your words. Either one of you can leave any time for any reason or no reason at all. Even if one of you cheats on the other, nothing that bad happens.

Too many guys get this very cumbersome idea of what a relationship is into their heads. They think there's some kind of massive "investment" going on, when it's really just two people verbally agreeing to be exclusive. Not much changes between dating a girl and being in a relationship with a girl. You go do something with her. You come home. You have sex. Your interactions with her are pretty much the same, just with the added verbal agreement that you're not having sex with other women and she's not with other men.

Let go of this idea that any girl you're in a relationship with is some kind of pre-wife you're going to marry one day. You'd be stupid to marry anyone, ever. If you just enjoy a relationship for what it is and what it can bring you, then move on when things run their course, relationships aren't that big of a deal. It's not some huge "investment" unless you get this crazy idea that a girlfriend is some kind of pre-wife.

Burdening a woman with all of these expectations about how she's supposed to be and trying to cram her into this box of wife material expectations gets in the way of enjoying what she's actually like.

[–]DiskKiller2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very good points here and in your previous message. Thanks! Keep hitting that keyboard.

[–]Speedracer1111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You described an exclusive FWB relationship perfectly. Nothing wrong not progressing to a LTR. Hell, I'd advocate that for guys in there 20's. In the 30's, should start to learn and practice the vetting process for when/if you decide to go beyond a FWB relationship.

Marriage is for idiots with the way divorce laws are written and top it off with the majority of judges being conservative.

[–]raadim 2 points3 points  (8 children)

That's all fine when you're young and have no plans for the future. It's like playing football for fun but if you want to be successful pro you will have to invest a lot into the game. Just kicking the ball in your free time won't get you anywhere.


So if all you want is to have fun with no future prospects then it's all OK. Relationship is not only about being exclusive, it is to "build a future together" and it will be hard for you when you will be at home taking care of kids which may not even be yours because father is some guy she fucked on a girl's night out.


So yes, I agree with you for as long as you have no plans to stay with that girl for more than few months. Any investment of your time longer than 4 months is a bad decision.

[–]justarandomguy15[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Honestly, fuck that "buiding a future together". Having kids together might sound decent, but building a future together? That's the kind of bullshit you find in advice columns in women's magazines.

You should buid your own future alone. A woman shoud not be a big part of your life.

What's worrying me is the fact that I'm not ready to cheat on my girlfriend being in a relationship because I am a fucking decent human being. I know what the fuck is wrong and what is right. And I know that cheating and lying to a girl I explicitly told her I will be exclusive is just full of fucked up shit.

Don't get me wrong. I WOULD dread game her. I WOUlD see other girls. I would flirt with other girls in front of her, but just to keep her on the leash. However, I WOULD NEVER reach the point of having sex with another girl than her. Because it's just so disgusting and so manipulative. I don't want such thing to happen for me and I wouldn't do it to someone else, especially if she's being a good girl for me.

[–]raadim 4 points5 points  (3 children)

you're funny, first you mention columns in women's magazines and then you write 3 more paragraphs which are exactly like from women's magazines ;-)


As soon as you will decide to have children, which is basic reproductive instinct every organism has, it's also a reason why you were born. You will need a woman for that. And if you want your kid to be a decent person, then both parents are important.


As for cheating, well... she will be fine to do it to you as soon as her hypergamy kicks in. Your problem is that you have blue pill conditioning when they told you what is wrong and what is right. Maybe a woman told you cheating is wrong?

[–]KilluaKanmuru 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No. He clearly stated that cheating is manipulative and disgusting when you say that you will not do such a thing whilst in a relationship. Virtue is the only good.

[–]raadim 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just read The 48 Laws of Power. Virtue is a way of manipulating you - to keep you in check.

Man have sense of honor. Women don't.

[–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your feeling but I still think you're wrong. Do you not believe in the value of your word in general? Or is your premise that it only applies when it is spoken to a man and not a woman?

It's a complicated issue and I don't see an easy answer.

[–]henry589 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a cope man it’s more like you don’t have the balls to cheat.

Look at every β€œsuccessful” man they all cheat it’s just part of the game.

[–]DylanKleb0ld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Decent human being" Never gonna make it with that soy

[–]KilluaKanmuru 1 point2 points  (2 children)

True. I'm giving those words too much weight. Words are wind.

[–]balouf123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you think words are wind, remind me to never trust you

[–]justarandomguy15[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Words are wind" from Game of Thrones, am I right?

[–]justarandomguy15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, that was very informative. Thank you.

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    [–]TopOccasion29 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Well Said!!!

    [–]markinsinz7 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    Like the other commentator said. You make some very good points and key reminders into the nature of women.

    But again like he said it's that 'biological' red flag. Some guys don't have it or pretend they dont(?) Or maybe they have been having sex pretty regularly since high school that they too see girls having lots of casual sex as normal.

    However this biological flag is inherent and I'm not sure why others don't get it if at all. Since when considering evolution this flag hits our gut indicating that the women we have selected is not to be selected for resources.

    It could also maybe be ownership? "Basic" Sex is after all an intimate act generally speaking. So it feels disgusting when a girl you been fuckin is also fuckin other dudes regularly.

    [–]3CainPrice 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    Owning and controlling women is a really high-maintenance task. And frankly, extremely stressful.

    If you have to lay awake at night worrying about whether your girlfriend is behaving like a girlfriend and come up with ways to keep her in line, it really hinders enjoying her for what she is: a great source of sex and company.

    There's this point you can hit where sex isn't that special any more. It's not some holy grail you win from women. It's just something you do when you're horny. You literally think to yourself, "Hmm. I could go for a hookup tonight", text one of your partners, and the deal is done. You don't care what she's doing the nights she's not with you, she doesn't care what you do when she's not around. It's just about scratching the itch, connecting with each other, then getting on with your lives.

    When sex isn't some kind of magical act that's been withheld from you your entire life and is just something you do when you're horny, the idea of trying to keep a woman in line sounds just plain exhausting. Owning and controlling women is way more trouble than it's worth, and it gets in the way of enjoying women for what they are.

    [–]markinsinz7 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Yea this is what I thought the mentality was like.

    What I suspect good sir is that only men who had this 'normal development' of life where they had sex in high school or in uni - in combination with alpha naturalism led to them having that view of sex as something that just people do normally as simple as eating sushi when you feel like it.

    But a lot of the rest especially those that come around here well they don't get this experience or the abundance in combination with extreme blue pill thinkin...and so develops these abnormal ownership desires and weird mentalities

    Edit: sorry not 'weird mentalities' just not acceptance of women's true nature then again though I do think we have some kind of evolutionary red flag for women who are sleeping around. Slut shaming is nature too....

    I guess then it comes down to personal choices.

    Question then for you; if a girl smoking hot and everything, perfectly submissive basic gf material - and you discover she is fuckin other guys during her 'plate phase' would you then ever go into an ltr with her?

    [–]raadim 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I've been having sex regularly since I was 16. But there is still the "biological red flag". If she sleeps with other guys, your body is in alert state, because she may get pregnant. No Alpha would raise a child of another man.

    Lions even kill cubs of other lions.

    If a man is pretending, that he doesn't care that his gf is sleeping around, then he's either total omega or his "biological red flag" doesn't work.

    [–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What's your thoughts on open relationships then?

    [–]self-medicate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    So I guess the question becomes: is there any value to the whole idea of having a family?

    [–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Good points, but then I have to ask :

    How can you ever find a girl with a low n-count then? And I'm not saying it in a "I want a girlfriend" way, just in general.

    The n-count gets mentioned a lot, but how can you ever be sure about the real number?

    Personally, I think what really matter are no Red Flags when vetting a girl, but at the same time, I would consider a high n-count (>10) a Red Flag as well, so I guess it becomes a...red flag when she mentions it or it shows in her actions...?

    [–]Speedracer1111 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Only betas worry about n-count. Assume 10+, most of which are ONS/FWB and 20% chance (reported) of at least 1 threesome. You will never know the real number. If they never talk about it, it never happened.

    It's all about the red flags that you can verify. Plus, actions over words.

    [–]moltenw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    That's what I'm thinking as well.

    Red flags + her actions (and what they truly mean, not what you think they mean) are the real indicators.

    [–]frontyer0077 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    No. Betas dont care. Theyre told "That was my past, I am done with that stuff and want to settle down". Then they continue to believe it.

    Men who want a relationship should care about it. Its scientifically proven that women who has had lots of casual sex/ons are much more likely to cheat etc, and the divorce rates for those women are extremely high compared to married virgins/low n count.

    [–]Speedracer1111 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Not disagreeing with the second part, but it's only 1 flag. Don't dwell on it and assume it's flagged. Better use of your time to learn how she acted in any relationships than determining her n-count.

    For example. If she has never been in a LTR, that's a huge red flag. If all of her LTRs are under a year, same thing again. Either she gets bored, the guys got bored or they learned something of her past that she learned to keep her mouth shut about.

    [–]frontyer0077 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I completely agree. All I am saying is that I would never LTR a party girl who has ONS every weekend. A conservatie chick who has been in 2 LTRS is another story.

    [–]livear -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It definitely a bigger red flag if she doesn't understand how disgusting guys find it, or if she doesn't care.

    [–]Psychological_Radish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Great points, as always. You should be endorsed by now.

    I think all this purity shit comes from BP indoctrination that girls are innocent little creatures who are above pleasures of the flesh. That cute, sweet nerdy girl couldn’t possibly enjoy being rammed from behind while getting her hair pulled and hearing β€œtake Daddy’s cock.”

    But they do. A lot of guys simply can’t internalize the very simple truth that girls like sex.

    [–]livear -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Every partner she has increases her chances of divorce.

    Women linking sex is fine, women having sex with lots of different dudes should invoke the disgust emotion in you, just as sure as stepping in a pile of shit.

    Disgust means: stay away from this thing, it will hurt you in ways you won't understand.

    [–]jh1871 53 points54 points  (2 children)

    Yea, maybe she’s riding other cocks but if you bang her the best she will feel this way towards you.

    This is he perfect example of the first rule of relationships:

    The one who cares the least/ needs the other the least has the power in the relationship.

    AKA: the less fucks you give, the more fucks you get.

    [–]justarandomguy15[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    Jesus fuck. Now the "I don't give a fuck" colloquial saying makes sense literally read.

    [–]errrzarrr 2 points3 points  (0 children)


    [–]FixYourselfFirst 31 points32 points  (3 children)

    AWALT & She's not yours, it's just your turn. The sooner you accept it, the better.



    [–]cafeitalia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It is her turn for you, not your turn on her. Who gives a shit to her? You are the prize not her. She should be happy every minute that she has you in her life even for couple nights of the week.

    [–]Adadya 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    So clichΓ©

    [–]redditpuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Tough pill to swallow..

    [–]mushroom_overlord 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    But it stroke me that underneath that soft skin, shampooed hair, cute eyes, well-rounded butt and bouncing boobs, there lays a very dark creature. A Machiavellian figure as dark as all the Machiavellian figures mentioned in Greene's 48 Laws of Power.

    Most people are self-centered at heart, but not really Machiavellian. She's just following her desires, her biology. Do you really think she's sitting behind her facemask as some kind of chessmaster villain? She's just having a fucking blast getting dicked by a ton of attractive guys. Doesn't mean she's happy later, when they realize she isn't a keeper, but this is the world we live in. She probably won't learn, as some devoted beta less attractive than her will settle.

    Truth is, when liberated from societal standards for chastity, most girls are following the same program. So yeah, for the hot and "free" women, they are going to be doing this.

    So as for me, I'm definitely turned off by all the blatant lying to themselves and to others, along with cheating that "doesn't count" and hypocrisy. Doesn't change the fact that I have a biological program to pursue the opposite sex as well, and I'm not about to drop that any time soon, but I do it on my own terms as much as possible.

    [–]uwcscareerthrow 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    never trust a woman

    [–]omega_dawg93 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    we spin plates... they ride the carousel. there's no need to be mad at any of this... iiwii.

    just think of it like this: if you're 27 and younger and still dating, there's a 23 - 25 y/o girl somewhere that's looking a guy in the eyes and telling him, "i'll always love you... always be with you... take me like you want... i'm all yours."

    well, that girl is gonna be your wife in about 3 to 4 yrs.

    [–]redditpuff 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    lol how should i feel about this

    [–]omega_dawg93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    forget the feels... it's all about acceptance.

    the true nature of women is to pass on their genes and leave their legacy... just like it is for men. women just have a different way of doing it, and as men, we can't get mad or upset about it.

    just be game aware and enjoy women as much as you can. they're beautiful creatures and they feel wonderful!

    [–]Datanami 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You shouldn't care. Also you probably shouldn't marry anyone

    [–]Luckyluke23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    once you get over the fact that women are like children and they TRULY don't know what the want. then it's easier to live your life around that.

    women come and go just like the wind man. as long as you are the sturdy tree. you shouldn't have a problem.

    [–]Luftiwaffe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    underneath that soft skin, shampooed hair, cute eyes, well-rounded butt and bouncing boobs, there lays a very dark creature. A Machiavellian figure as dark as all the Machiavellian figures mentioned in Greene's 48 Laws of Power.

    oh god!

    [–]CasualPlay3r 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Surprise surprise, you got competition my friend...

    Better make sure you are above the competition if it bothers you that much

    [–]dbz0x 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It’s a tough pill to swallow. I had to learn to disassociate their stunningly beautiful & innocent looks from who she truly is inside, a dark Machiavellian creature as you said. How she looks does not represent who she is as a human. What helps me is take it one day at a time with each girl I’m seeing and not think about what I want in the one I’d hope to settle with. Right now that is not even an option in my books. I’ll happily sacrifice that idea for gaining so much more as a man on a mission and stay excited for all that I will accomplish in my life.

    [–]RedHoodhandles 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    I wanted to marry and have kids. Then I found TRP and didn't want to marry anymore. Then I applied TRP and now I don't necessarily want kids anymore. I try to enjoy the decline.

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      [–]TopOccasion29 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      We all know that's not gonna happen even if we want it to. The elite have to fulfill there misandrist agenda.

      But you're right if artificial wombs become a reality...then women will be truly useless. They would only be used for sex and not for breeding. If we get clones then its game over for women.

      [–]The__Tren__Train 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      same story here brobro

      [–]Kabuki431 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      If it helps you to understand their nature.

      One of my plates is going on "vacation" she doesnt know that one of her co workers is also my co worker. She enthusiastically told me that she's (my plate) going to her home country to get married

      Imagine a blue pilled billy beta would lose his shit over this and some chump is getting married to this whore, while i will still pound her ass after shes married. SMH

      [–]justarandomguy15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Wow FFS... That's fucked on so many levels.

      [–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It doesn't bother me at all, because I am in the "Acceptance" phase. Just like I don't give a shit who is president or whether it's raining today or not.

      Be the Prize, my friend.

      [–]rp2626 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      She likes the attention and thinks she's being empowered. Don't let it make you bitter. Women are still fun invigorating creatures.

      Remember you are the prize and if she loses a redpilled well rounded alpha guy. That's her loss.

      [–]bananananananarama 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      ... You mean SEX with them is fun and invigorating, right? I don't see what's fun and invigorating about having a relationship with a creature who acts and thinks like every aspect of your being (and I mean BEING, not DOING) is nothing compared to every respective part of her. The person behind your actions is invisible to her. And to her, the significance of your actions solely depends on the profit she gains from them. You have no inherent value to them.

      They're fun and invigorating like a video game. Or like a dog, if a dog left you when you run out of feed.

      If you expect something that's worth being called a connection or relationship, it's just disheartening.

      If you don't, of course, it's fun.

      [–]rp2626 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      You've never had a woman thats totally into you? That hangs off your every word? And the flirting can be great. The whole back and forth.

      Women arent evil. They're just designed to find the best partner. Doesn't mean that they arent attracted to a personality because that is a biological bonus as well. There are so many douchebags out there you just have to be more exciting than them.

      The hard part is accepting that "they aren't yours its just your turn" they will eventually get bored. So just don't invest your feelings into them. Enjoy the ride!

      [–]bananananananarama 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      No, what I mean is, she is not into YOU. She's into the parts of you that "further" HER. You are the one who makes her feel a certain way, but the person she is really into, is herself. What you gain from her affection is just physical pleasure, not a real connection. And yeah, that's pretty hard to swallow.

      [–]rp2626 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Yeah thats true but would you have been initially attracted to her if she was hideously deformed. Or just generally very unattractive?

      You're drawn to her femininity. Again it's just the biological urge. You will feel good things about her but it's all just a science experiment with varying results.

      I agree that the relationship stuff is where it gets messy. But above all it's about companionship. Everything else is just outdated idealism. Develop close bonds with the people around you. Friends and family.

      [–]bananananananarama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Physical attraction and emotional/spiritual attraction (/safety/trust) are two seperate things. For sex, I only need the first one. For true friendship, I only need the second one. For what I would call the ideal relationship with a woman, I need both. The kind of "companionship" you can have with ordinary women is like I said: like the relationship you have to a dog that leaves you when you're out of feed.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      how about the true nature of santa clause? does it make you cry?

      [–]ProFriendZoner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Read up on the history of Santa.

      VERY real indeed!

      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (10 children)

      there lays a very dark creature

      There is nothing dark about what you saw.

      I felt kinda disgusted at the thought and wanted to know how you would deal with this.

      Your ego took a hit, which is what produced these feelings. It has nothing to do with a woman's true nature, and it has everything to do with having to confront your insecurity.

      And that's a good thing.

      [–]justarandomguy15[S] 26 points27 points  (7 children)

      It is dark buddy. When you learn that all that submissiveness and cute manners with everything she does is a fucking show she just puts on to get laid, it is dark as fuck my friend. It is dark in the a sense that if applied to an LTR, she can easily cheat on you and you wouldn't even realize it. Her boyfriend has no idea that she's riding other cocks. He and her family think that she's loyal and virtuous.

      I'm just thinking about the power that they have man. It's fucking immense. Like I don't think she legit has to do anything other than following the guy around to give the impression that she's interested in him as a person. May sound BluePilled, sure, but that's as Machiavellian as Machiavellianism could get: appearances are everything, the ability to color your appearance to best serve your situation.

      And it is not my ego. I honestly don't see how my ego relates to this. I'm just thinking on the long run: when you're in a relationship thinking having a good time while she's able at any fucking point of her life to file a divorce and get another guy. Just. Like. That.

      [–]jaw8625 16 points17 points  (2 children)

      I'm in this phase too. Idk what you call it but I had a similar realization about a year ago. Sadly it has resulted in me having major major jealousy issues when I did meet a woman I wanted an LTR with. And she wasn't even doing anything that bad, just chatting with a lot of men who wanted to fuck her on the internet. I ended up blowing up on her and completely losing my cool. I still don't know who is more to blame.


      Well, I know I am. But it is just so hard to accept

      [–]justarandomguy15[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      It is like some other guy in the comment said, man. It's a very bitter pill to swallow and it makes TRP even more real.

      I'm also clueless on how i would maintain a fucking LTR with that idea at the back of my head...

      [–]jaw8625 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yup. Its just the problem of wanting a family lol. I just royally screwed it up big time man, its not easy with that knowledge. When plating its great.

      [–]matrixtospartanatLV 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      And if your intention is to look at marriage as the finish line, then she will divorce you. Just. Like. That.

      Marriage is not the finish line of being single, it’s being single, on hard mode.

      If you don’t plan to improve, every, single, day, for the rest of your life, inside or outside a marriage, then you, my young friend, are fucked anyway.

      The ultimate answer is to continue to grow, in every single way, every single day. Stay her best option. And IF she opts out, find a better one.

      Ask me how I know...

      I lost my wife to hypergamy.

      And now, I’ll find a BETTER woman.

      [–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (0 children)


      [–]TopOccasion29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Agreed. One should improve themselves in every single way, not for women but for themselves.

      I lost my wife to hypergamy

      Could you vaguely expand on what happened.

      Damn so after all that work and stress you put in bettering yourself all it takes for her to leave you is one chat with a guy who may not even be significantly superior to you...maybe just slightly better than you. Or he may no even be objectively superior to you..he may be a beta bitch but to her he's just different. Damn. Hypergamy truly doesn't care.

      [–]plenty_of_eesh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      all that submissiveness and cute manners with everything she does is a fucking show she just puts on to get laid

      You have no evidence for this logical leap. Why is it a "show" and not just the way she is? If anything, you should be clearer now that no show is required on her part. Being submissive with multiple people doesn't mean she's not submissive... Also it is not the only way for a woman to be cute or sexy.

      that's as Machiavellian as Machiavellianism could get:

      So just like everyone on this sub who's woken up a little?

      appearances are everything, the ability to color your appearance to best serve your situation.

      Back to this. You have no proof of this. If she's discrete about what she does with other people, that's exactly like most guys would be who have multiple plates. It hardly rises to "appearances are everything".

      To the extent you're not being hypocritical, you're having one-itis.

      Go have fun.

      If you want more fealty in the future, find someone who wants the same from you, choose wisely,, be the best one she can get, and roll the dice. There are no guarantees but you can LTR/wife up and not be cheated on... for a while.

      [–]billyultra 0 points1 point  (0 children)


      [–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (0 children)


      Reality is reality, nothing more nothing less. Your Ego is the only thing that spins a situation or a thing to be either positive or negative etc.

      This guy is in the dark, and by the upvotes he is getting to his reply to your comment - so is a lot of the RedPill community.

      [–]ProFriendZoner 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      Get over your Oneitis

      She has a boyfriend and interest from other guys!!!

      OMG!!! Perish the thought!!!


      Dude, come on. Read the posts, the sidebar, lift, eat right, etc.. Then put it into practice. (I'm all for reading, but you HAVE to then go out there and do it).

      Your turn on the Carousel is coming to an end.

      Move on.

      [–]markinsinz7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      He's aware of all this just like many of us are. It's accepting it fully that's hard

      [–]redditpuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Alright bro.. Thanks

      [–]Xanax_Guy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I don't really get bother with it because I am young but I don't know what will I do when I want to settle down

      [–]entrep4 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      But aren't you doing the exact same thing to her?

      [–]bananananananarama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      He's not cheating... apart from that, yes.

      [–]FireDrillem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ignorance of their true nature is a turn off.

      [–]cafeitalia 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      First rule of fwb, you don't plan trips with her, you don't date her, you don't send links to her or share anything with her, you only fuck her and that is it.

      [–]cat_magnet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I think you are getting fwb confused with plates. Fwb includes time spent outside of sex just no commitment or promise of exclusivity.

      [–]cafeitalia -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Going on a trip, or planning a trip is not spending time outside of sex, it is a relationship.

      [–]dmc0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Isn't this kind of like being in prison and asking what's wrong with humanity? It's all about perspective.

      [–]GrimlyStoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "As a mark is not set up for the sake of missing the aim, so neither does the nature of evil exist in the world." - Epictetus. <- Same can be applied to women. They exist to maintain true to there true nature. Women are sluts, AWALT, get used to it.

      [–]MajIssuesCaptObvious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      After I'd see something like that, I always disconnected and looked at them as just sex partners who were around for fun. Nothing more. I was the same for them as well.

      It's just your turn, bud.

      [–]cjy2018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Totally, it is ridiculous guys get in crap for misogyny and sexism but females can do nothing their whole life and still be chased after like they are famous. A lot of girls have nothing to offer. Talking to a Gen z is torture all they do is Instagram and Netflix. Do what females do. Date older for the maturity.

      [–]UsefulPsychology 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If you let her whatever mess up with you you're not on the right path my friend.

      [–]Derfaust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This, i suspect, is why women didnt have any rights back in the day

      [–]Khiv_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yes dude, it does turn me off. I wish I could day otherwise, but I grew up as a blue pill that saw women as these special creatures. We males were the bad boys who seduced them and they were the innocent cute things and the supportive ones who stood by our side during our crazy endeavors. I believed they had the same concepts of loyalty and love as we do.

      I’m trying really hard, but after swallowing the pill I just can’t like women the same way and this makes me incredibly lonely. What I have realized is that men love women the way women love their children, it’s like the love triangle of the universe.

      [–]2chazthundergut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      1. No. The true nature of women does not turn me off. Women are horny little sluts that are eager to be dicked down by a strong masculine man. That suits me just fine.

      2. The issue is in our expectations. We have been conditioned by society to think that females are delicate little snowflakes that don't get horny. She isn't gonna love you unconditionally forever just for being little old you. She isn't gonna be your mommy and support you when you're being a bitch. We need to adjust our expectations of females. See them for what they actually are and their appropriate role in our lives. And treat them accordingly.

      3. Imagine if every attractive woman you met wanted to fuck you. You could just walk up and say hey and exchange numbers and she would be willing to fuck you as frequently as you'd like. You'd open up facebook messenger and have dozens of chicks eager to meet up for sex. This is the world that women live in. She is flooded with Male attention. She has a boyfriend back home and is just having some fun right now. Of course she's gonna be sleeping around. Of course she's gonna try out different sex with different attractive people. Wouldn't you?

      [–]GainzdalfTheWhey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This post would be entirely different if you said LTR, her being a FWB why does all that bother you? It shouldn't. My guess you were getting a bit attached and spun other plates to distance yourself. Didn't work as you got upset she was doing the same thing.

      [–]genesisofman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You're seeing multiple girls but mad about the "true nature of women" for seeing multiple guys?

      Do you hate yourself too?

      [–]Musicgoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm going to say that I totally understand where you're coming from. Seeing those texts would Fuck with me. I would call it a turn off or disappointing as well.

      Here's what I think and everyone can troll me or argue this. No matter how many plates you're spinning or banging they are still an investment in YOUR life. Their timeline intersected with yours. That's pretty cool.

      Now an alpha lion will have his pick of the women in his harem. He is also protective of his harem. So other lions trying to swoop in on his women piss him off. This is how jealousy is triggered in guys like us.

      We're you as a man biologically meant to spread you seed amongst many women? Yes. Is she as a woman optimizing her Hypergamy for the best Male? Yes.

      All of this is nature. Even that disappointment. You need a space to vent brother. I see where you are coming from. It's all normal just not a fun part of the truth.

      [–]2johnnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You should ask why you are feeling this at all. Why feel disgust? We run on instincts and those instincts are there for a reason.

      The evolutionary biology answer is that knowing that a woman has sex with other men causes dread. And dread prevents wasted effort of your resources that should securely go towards your own biological progeny (and their care-mother), not a cuckold child. So your feelings have a good reason.

      Maybe the solution is to make a deal with yourself that whatever happens, you will do a paternity test. Idk.

      [–]surely_not_a_robot_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Keep in mind that this is not all women but rather a subset of women.

      [–]zielkarz 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      I find it funny that in the same text you describe how hard it is for you to cope with your FBW having good time with other guys AND say that you are seeing a lot of girls. She's as machiavellian as you are.

      [–]justarandomguy15[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      I'm single. She has a boyfriend.

      Now read your stupid comment again.

      [–]TheShearerComplex 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Doesn’t change the fact your getting jealous over a girl, who isn’t your girlfriend, hitting up other guys.

      [–]justarandomguy15[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      It's okay. I'm not expecting everyone to understand the point I'm making.

      [–]TheShearerComplex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I get the point your making. She’s not the special snowflake you imagined her to be.

      But I’m going one step deeper and asking why are you attempting to make this point.

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      [–]NoPassengers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I’m not trying to fuck her true nature.

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      [–]CrazyHorseInvincible[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You seem unhappy here. Allow me to help you stay away.