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Girlfriend had MFM threesome with ex bf and some random he found. Should I be as disgusted as I am? (self.askTRP)

submitted by razerhtc

She told me before that she broke up with her ex because he suggested a threesome. Now I found out that she broke up with him after two MFM threesomes, then had sex with the other guy for a bit while rebounding. Supposedly didn't want to have the threesome but gave in after her beta ex pestered her enough. I came in a month or so after all that and fucked her for a while before we started dating.

She told me about it and it made me feel sick to my stomach. Is it as slutty as I think it is? I don't think it's as bad as it could be because she was in a relationship, but it still makes me uncomfortable. She's told me that she slept with 18 guys but I've only slept with 3. I just feel like we're on different levels sexually. I know for damn sure that I'm not going to marry this chick. I'm thinking I need to drop her and pick up some plates and do my own thing for a few years.


[–]BucketOfSunshins 138 points139 points  (8 children)

She's told me that she slept with 18 guys but I've only slept with 3.

Well, sounds like you need to sleep with 15 more guys.

[–]-Kato 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Damn, beat me to the punch!

But seriously OP, 18 dudes? That's not girlfriend material in my book. I personally wouldn't date a girl that goes over 7. My advice is plate her or dump her.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I have some bad news for you...

[–]2comment 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Plating women for the rest of his life doesn't sound like bad news to me.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

He's referring to the guy's acceptable number.

[–]2comment -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Obviously.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In that 7 is on the higher side with regards to marriage.

[–]TheMGhandi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Comment of the fuckin week baby.

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (8 children)

She told me about it and it made me feel sick to my stomach.

Boom. There's your answer. Why are you asking us if you've got stomach pains? I wasn't gonna tell you what to think or what to feel but then I opened up the question and you're telling me how you feel and what to think. You don't need the red pill's permission to be disgusted. If you're disgusted then you're disgusted. I'd be disgusted too btw, but that's besides the point.

Is it as slutty as I think it is?

She's told me that she slept with 18 guys

It's pretty slutty. For future reference, if she's slept with another 18 guys then that should be a hint as to whether something that sounds slutty that she's done actually is slutty.

I don't think it's as bad as it could be because she was in a relationship

That means nothing. Why couldn't she keep her other boyfriends around? It's the same shit as if they were all one night stands. She couldn't appeal to the men and so they left and her partner count soared because she found new dick instead of correcting the problem. She probably kept those guys around as long as she did via deception and then they left when they figured her out.

Supposedly didn't want to have the threesome but gave in after her beta ex pestered her enough.

... Found the deception. Women don't just fall into three ways. They don't just get pushed into sex they didn't want to have. They don't just lack all agency required to take an interest in their own lives and control who they slept with. This woman slept with those men because she made a decision to to do that. She likely played a very active role and figured the cost of lying to you about who she is and why she does the things she does was small.

I'm thinking I need to drop her and pick up some plates and do my own thing for a few years.

Then why are you on asktrp? You seem to have a good handle on this shit. You really don't need to ask permission to break up with a whore who makes you sick to your stomach and then lies to you. You know what to do; go enjoy those plates.

[–]razerhtc 31 points31 points [recovered]

Thanks for this answer. It broke down everything that I was feeling. I really appreciate the help. Even though I try to be as red pill as possible, it's nice knowing I have you guys to kick me in the ass and get me going in the right direction again.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also remember the "n" count women give is the one they feel is socially acceptable, not the actual number of guys she fucked. As a standard rule you should always multiply that number x3.

So 18*3= 54....yeah pretty sure you have your answer regarding her sluttyness....

[–]thechaosz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

always x3, men divided my 2

[–]MorePancakes 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There is nothing left to say after this post. So OP read it twice and pretend one was from me.

[–]Severity_Overtoad 2 points2 points [recovered]

ok ill pretend to be OP and you pretend to get upvotes! Thanks!

[–]MorePancakes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I have pretend upvotes....

That means I have fake fake internet points....

Which means I have real points now right?? MY SMV JUST WENT THROUGH THE ROOF

[–]gamefuck -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good advice, always trust your gut feeling man. Frame is also about trusting your instincts. If you don't like it, that's all the confirmation you need.

[–]FrameWalker 23 points24 points  (3 children)

The thing about tolerating disgust and disappointment is that it builds resentment. There's no overcoming it, only choice is to drop. Sleutha bit more before accepting LTR.

[–]razerhtc 8 points8 points [recovered]

Yea it's been less than 24 hours and I already fucking hate thinking about her. The choice is obvious

[–]Mild111 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I don't want to go against the grain here, but I had a LTR with a woman with this many partners. (Approx 18 men and 5 women)

She had hit a mini-wall so to speak and was loyal as hell, and the experience made for the best sex of my life. I was torn for a while between oneitis and disgust.

As soon as I allowed myself to kill the oneitis, the disgust pretty much vanished and all was good. Really good.

Just remind yourself that no man exclusively owns a pussy no matter what she has promised. You are borrowing a used item. You ain't her first or her last. Even if she claims to be a virgin, that shit is temporary until she wants to "experience what life has to offer"

Enjoy what you've got while you've got it, and as long as she's not trying to take all your money, cause drama with your family, or fuck up your career, then you have some potential to work with.

I wish "experience" was my only complaint about the women in my past.

[–]GlansInYourHands 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just remind yourself that no man exclusively owns a pussy no matter what she has promised. You are borrowing a used item.

Enjoy what you've got while you've got it, and as long as she's not trying to take all your money, cause drama with your family, or fuck up your career, then you have some potential to work with.

Perfect interpretation of "She's not yours, it's just your turn."

[–]razerhtc 23 points23 points [recovered]

Well, I dumped the fuck out of her. Now she's calling me. I'm going to wait a bit, answer, then plate her. If she doesn't want to be a plate then she's gone forever. Also arranged to meet up with two women this week, so I'm not worried at all about the outcome of this.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Don't outright ask her to be a plate, just treat her as such. What I mean is, don't suggest things like "Let's just be FWBs" because it will be easy for her to say no. You simply start treating her like a plate, which means you stop spending money and time on her. Let your actions be guided by the fact that your entire purpose for her is now to fuck in all the craziest and wildest ways you've ever dreamed of.

[–]cdtCPTret 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Seconded. Don't make it a revenge thing. Enjoy it. If it was me I'd probably try to get her into another threesome with me in it.

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it was me I'd probably try to get her into another threesome with me in it

I can just see the hamster now....."but that was in my past. I don't like doing that sort of thing now." lol

[–]Frdl 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Have fun thinking about your gf getting smashed by two guys at the same time. You need to bail asap. Have some self respect.

[–]razerhtc 36 points36 points [recovered]

Yea fuck that, I'm out

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Life's too short to placate dumb whores.

Downgrade to plate at minimum - preferably booty call level.

That's all that slut is worth.

[–]Pedro_Navaja -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I think you meant downgrade to a plate maximum

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In this case maximum would be dumping her ass.

[–]Pedro_Navaja -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ahh I see, I misread

[–]fnordsnord 14 points14 points [recovered]

You've only slept with three guys? Wow.

(I kid. Sorry. It's the English Degree.)

First of all, she's volunteered a number. That's generally not a good sign. It's also pretty high. Remember: always multiply a woman's number by at least 2. Most guys say three. Because when they are counting:

  1. Oral doesn't count.

  2. Anal (only) doesn't count.

  3. Drunk sex doesn't count.

  4. Vacation sex where they won't ever see the guy again doesn't count.

As far as the threesome - I'd worry less about that. He might have been into it, and it could just means she's biddable. I'd be more concerned about the number. Especially if she's under 40.

[–]razerhtc 9 points9 points [recovered]

She's 22. Lost her virginity at 14. I found a real winner

[–]2secret_barber 12 points13 points  (17 children)

She's 22.

God damn! She's been busy.

[–]razerhtc 8 points8 points [recovered]

Yea also found out when she was rebounding she was fucking 4 guys at the same time. Holy shit the level of sluttyness that girl was at

[–]Mature_Student 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Run for the fucking hills, dude!

[–]mrheh 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Why run? Just make her a side piece and leave it at that. If she wants to stay as a side piece she can, if not she can move on.

[–]Mature_Student 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point!

[–]DreadLockedHaitian -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

STDs.

[–]mrheh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh...

[–]DreadLockedHaitian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Legit sounds like my ex. Not even kidding. In that case, someone gave you the right advice. Downgrade her to plate and that's about how high she can get up the ladder. Ho's gon be ho's.

[–]thechaosz -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thirsty as Fuck

[–]mrheh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As I get older (30+) I like younger girls(19-24) that are whores over non whores. It takes more than just a pretty face and body to get me off at this point and laying like a dead fish with zeo skills isn't appealing anymore. However I'm not talking about dating just fucking.

[–]arnieschwarz 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Replace "for a few years" with "forever" and you'll be fine.

[–]sodainthewatercup6 11 points12 points  (2 children)

18 guys isn't bad for a 45-year-old woman.

[–]0kool74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

further up in the posts it's mentioned that she's 22. So 14 to 22 is 8 years and 18 guys. Now that's an average of 2 a year and change.

However, was it an average course or was it a burst course? There's also mention at one point that post breakup she was banging 4 guys at the same time. Methinks that maybe after the virginity loss at 14 she didn't have much for a few years and then at one point just went crazy. 2 guys a year for 8 years and she's possibly worth something. 9 guys a year for two years.......she isn't even plate material!!!!!

[–]jb_trp 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Don't be in an LTR with this woman. Next.

[–]RedPillAccount69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If she had admitted to 18 the real number is probably around 50.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

  1. MFM is not a threesome. It's a gangbang. Your girlfriend got gangbanged.

  2. You may feel uncomfortable because of the obvious lie she is telling you and you haven't quite figured out.

In my time women have repeatedly mentioned some indecent proposal made to them in the past or just recently. They do this and then reassure you that it isn't or won't happen, but in fact is probably did and probably isn't happening. She mentions it both to gauge your reaction and as a potential inoculation for the truth should it come out. She sets your frame of mind in a way that you don't believe she is that kind of girl so you won't suspect her, but if you do learn the truth then she can claim she told you about it, but you just forgot or misunderstood.

Case in point was a fuckbuddy I had about 6 years ago. One day she tells me that a "friend" of hers wants to stay in her spare bedroom but she said know because he's a sex addict.

I told her that I didn't care but if you do then let me know so I can wrap it up. She said she wasn't going to let him live with her, blah, blah, but sure enough two weeks later I found her shacked up with him and of course she didn't tell me.

So, you should be sick. Sick of the fact that she lets a bunch of dude pounds her. Sick of the fact that she claims to be a victim or reluctant participate when in fact she continued to fuck the second dude after she broke up with her bf.

It's the lies that make me sick. I can deal with a lot of things, but when you lie it's an automatic next for me.

[–]int3rnetz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yo, Everyone is shitting on you. But my view is this - let slutboxes be slutboxes. And this mentality never came easy to me....lots of reading redpill and converting myself. But now, I see people how they are. There are nice girls and then there are hoes. Dont turn a hoe into a house wife. This girl is a toy, so have fun. Shes not LTR material, she's no well priced ferrari...shes a rental car. So use her, have fun, bang her at your friends bathroom while stopping by for lunch, get a bj at dinner, do all the things you want to do that you red in 50 shades to her and stop worrying so much. You know shes not LTR so don't worry about. Cap your time with her and do more productive things. Don't blow alot of money or time with her. Find a nice LTR on the side even and give her the best. The other chick.....shes a rental. But then again some people buy used second had rental cars.....

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they buy second hand rental cars, but it always has problems from time to time. :P

[–]wehadtosaydickety 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I recently got out of a LTR who I got sick-to-my-stomach over some of her past, then hooked up with this girl who was very open about her sexual history (on the surface at least) and it was almost refreshing for her to tell me about her MFM threesome. Refreshing in the sense that this girl wasn't hiding or trickle truthing me like my ex did.

So I toyed with the idea of 'what if' I LTR'd this new girl? Could I really handle that history? That's way worse than what grossed me out about my ex but it was presented in such an honest way, I had to at least rethink the situation.

One conclusion I came to is that this MFM happened so recently, within the past six months, that I just don't think she was ready to settle down with a boyfriend. She's got some things to work through if she is banging randoms and having two dudes and whatnot, that's just a whole mess I don't want to get involved in. Her n count was 6 at 23, but 4 (including me) in the past year.

And of course what everyone else said here as well, just wanted to add some perspective. It sounds like there is a lot of drama here you don't want, you don't even really know for sure how this break up happened just that there is a MFM mixed in there.

[–]mrheh -1 points0 points  (0 children)

23 seems to be the hot spot for women doing anything and everything sexually.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She told me before that she broke up with her ex because he suggested a threesome. Now I found out that she broke up with him after two MFM threesomes, then had sex with the other guy for a bit while rebounding.

I'd say try setup a FMF threesome with her (if you're into that stuff) and immediately after break up with her.

Yes she's a slut, yes she's not LTR material, but you might as well take full advantage of it before saying bye bye.

[–]mrpCamper 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can't imagine any positives coming out of a woman admitting to a lover that she's had a MFM threesome unless she was trying to get some angry cave man sex out of the guy and didn't give a shit about him or their future. Or she is completely oblivious to how men feel about this shit.

[–]thefisherman1961 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trust your gut bro. That trickle truth was her ASD kicking in. The Anti-Slut Defense is AWALT, but lying isn't. She is a slut and a liar. You know what you need to do.

[–]Stateofnature01 2 points2 points [recovered]

Demand a FFM threesome or walk. You've gotten the pussy, and you realize she's just a hot-dog stand. Extract value from her looseness by bringing in another girl or drop her.

[–]0kool74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

she's just a hot-dog stand

Bravo sir......bravo!!!!!

[–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, demote her to hoe status and live your life.

[–]MyLittleAtomBomb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Plate her.

If she's willing to do that, what else is she willing to do?

Women are arcade machines. Set the high score!

[–]wiking85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look you feel how you feel, there isn't wrong or right to it. If that is something that makes you feel negatively then that is how you feel, you don't need others to validate your feelings. If you're not going to marry her you know she's Miss Right Now, not Miss Right, so enjoy the relationship for the temporary fun it is and just remember how you feel about where things are headed; let things take their course and get out and meet people.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Didn't Kevin Smith make a movie about this?

[–]MelodyMyst 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"Try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot"

[–]GlansInYourHands 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you."

Clerks is a pretty RP movie.

[–]2comment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, that was like an alternate Matrix where he swallowed the blue pill. And she swallowed a lot more than that.

[–]ohsweetword 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't cuck yourself. If she wants to be a hooker let her be a hooker, but you can find a girl who isn't looking for that and has some self-respect.

Don't let the betas tell you its feminism or life affirming or whatever - it's just bullshit.

Some young girls are fun and loyal, some are pigs with daddy issues. Do you want to be her boyfriend or her psychiatrist?

[–]walkingthelinux 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her ex was probably a cuckold type as well; so the other guy was probably less random than he was hung like a horse.

So, after she broke up with the beta (because the other guy out alphaed him), she took a long hard ride on that huge cock until the guy dumped her when he got bored.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

18....you don't wanna know the real number.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"Threesome" is FFM. The word for MMF is "gangbang".

You LTRed up a woman who never should have been promoted above "plate".

Demote or dump her.

[–]0kool74 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You LTRed up a woman who never should have been promoted above "plate"

Plate my ass. to me she's somewhere between a cockroach and that white frothy stuff that forms at the corner of your mouth when you're thirsty.

[–]drqxx -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pack now and leave.

[–]Victorboris1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal opinion is that you should be absolutely disgusted. If I were in your place, I would absolutely dump her.

[–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her body count is 18. Enough said.

[–]flying_cumshot 1 points1 points [recovered]

She said 18.

Now take that number and multiply by 3.

There's your real body count.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Girls like the number 18 it seems lol. One of my ex's also had "18" get outttaaa here.

[–]DreadLockedHaitian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ugh. Why is THAT the acceptable number. Bitch, that's 18 different dirty ass dicks. WTF. This is why I don't want any daughters.

[–]zo34 0 points1 point  (4 children)

> She's told me that she slept with 18 guys but I've only slept with 3

Not a bad record for a straight guy. How many women have you slept with?

It seems this joke was tired before I even got here.

it made me feel sick to my stomach

I challenge you to ask why you feel sick to your stomach. You'll know you've got to the root cause when the statements involved start with "I feel this way because..." I would also suggest that you brush up on your covert contracts a bit. It seems to me that expecting a plate to have a low n-count is unreasonable at the very least. Discarding her because she hurt your feelz is also unreasonable.

You got involved emotionally, which bred some covert contracts that you weren't aware of, and that led to this visceral awareness you now have of those same contracts. You need to identify them and fix yourself before you say a thing to that woman. Being butthurt and nexting her "because feelz" is about the most unmanly thing you could do.

do my own thing for a few years

This doesn't require plates. This will be good for your head and your life direction.

[–]hamsterbator 2 points3 points  (3 children)

his partner count is a paltry 3. she has had six times as many partners, probably much more.

let's be real here. no amount of mental gymnastics is going to make this guy unsee pairs of guys plowing his girl simultaneously from different holes while high-fiving.

telling him to be introspective, while useful in the longterm, will be about as useful in this particular relationship as suggesting couples counseling.

[–]zo34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point.

[–]razerhtc 0 points0 points [recovered]

She tried to suggest couples counseling to keep me around. That would have been a train wreck haha

[–]hamsterbator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you mean you don't want to pay money to be told you are insecure and that you need to Man Up???

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's told me that she slept with 18 guys

Women divide by 3 when reveling their number of sexual partners. Your girlfriend is a slut. Plate her and get on with your life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she broke up with him after two MFM threesomes, then had sex with the other guy for a bit while rebounding.

umm....

I came in a month or so after all that

You got seconds after that fuck fest.

Is it as slutty as I think it is?

Yes

Go with your gut, YES it is.

She's told me that she slept with 18 guys but I've only slept with 3.

You have only slept with 3 guys? So you were gay before hahah.

18 guys that she can recall, but she didn't count that military guy she fucked the night after the club, or the random taxi cab driver she fucked in the cab for a free ride, or Chad Thundercock in the pool in Cancun.

NEXT her. Please do it man. Girls like that will mess you up. My ex-LTR slept with "18 guys" as well, and I will tell you she was messed up, TRP saved my life.

GET OUT NOW.

[–]F_Dingo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm thinking I need to drop her

That would be the correct course of action.

[–]3rt41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trust

Your

Guts

[–]slater2j 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you have one kinky plate. Not girlfriend material thoufh

[–]MattR1302 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

The ex either isn't a beta or it was her idea. Either way - get out.

[–]waynebradysworld -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If your number was comparable it might be a different situation. I don't foresee you ever not resenting her in the current situation, thus it is time to move on. Go have some wild experiences and worry about a LTR later if that is your end goal.

[–]falafin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Consider thoroughly whether it is reasonable and beneficial for you to stay in a relationship with a woman of loose morals

spoiler&protip: it's not

next her and learn from the experience

[–]ben0wn4g3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I would say 'look, I have never had a FMF and you have had a MFM - I'm just not comfortable seeing someone who has experienced sexually what I have not. So if you can set up a FMF for me, we may have a chance!'

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She told me about it and it made me feel sick to my stomach.

it still makes me uncomfortable.

Follow your gut on this one. I was in almost the same exact situation two months ago when a girl I was exclusive with (LTR-light) wanted to have threesome with other guys and girls. Then she told me she slept with 9 guys (at the age of just 18). Then that she fingered a female friend of her a few days before we started dating. I ended things a few days later because I just felt really weird thinking about her. After just three weeks she started fucking another guy that became her bf.

The sex was great but I am happy I do not have this weird gut feeling that something is off anymore. May hurt at first but in the end you will be happy you broke up with a girl like this. If I were you, I would break up with her ASAP.

[–]Sdom1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So, can you get her to engage in some FMF action with you? Maybe with some intelligent application of dread, she would. She obviously doesn't have too many boundaries.

Do that, satisfy your curiosity, and then bail.

[–]-rubashov -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes it is. Trust your gut, there are millions of years of evolution telling you something.

[–]Apexk9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Get a FFM threesome out of it then dumb the bitch and fuck the other F you will feel MUCH BETTER.

[–]gmwbh -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On his behalf at least

[–]Kiwikeeper -1 points0 points  (0 children)

trust your gut! Always

[–]ramot1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you two have a mutually exclusive relation agreement? If not, then you really don't have much of a relationship, just two ships on a similar route for a while.

If you haven't really red-pilled much, AWALT means all women are like this. At least so many are that that the outliers don't matter much. Swallow more red pill, and you will know the answer to your own question.

[–]2comment -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]clint_bronson -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And the guy who got two MFM threesomes is the beta? Okay.

You know what to do, that feeling of disgust won't ever go away, plate her accordingly or be done with it and cut contact with her.

[–]Stargazer34 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Man you're worse than a woman - listen to you try to squirm and rationalize her actions and your disgust.

Example: How is HE the Beta, he pounded her AND had threesomes with her and then YOU got the sloppy THIRDS in this case. After all that then you decided to date her.

Not trying to be a dick here but I am hoping to slap a bit of empowerment into you. As our father Tom Leykis would say " DUMP THAT BITCH"

[–]DreadLockedHaitian -1 points0 points  (0 children)

NEXT.

[–]uberrific -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Stop feeling disgusted and get a threesome going with her! Obviously she is not LTR material.

[–]chief_slap_ahoe -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is what women don't understand their past matters. Feminism has led him to believe that they can go out and fuck whoever and wherever they get with someone new is a clean slate and I start over the real world doesn't work like that a man with honor and pride will not be with a common street whore and someone that would do what your ex or your current girlfriend done out of spite or whatever it's just a few steps over that

She is what I call a fun time girl you ride it for as long as you can but never expect anything serious because she will jump on the next cock as soon as she can.