Relinquishing your anger. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]50-cal 172 points173 points  (35 children)

I fully endorse this post. TRP has far too much bitter bullshit and not enough "LEARN.TO.PLAY.THE.FUCKING.GAME". We get it, women can be shitty, learn to use it.

On the flip side though, AWALT.

[–]infernalsatan 43 points44 points  (11 children)

TRP needs a serious reboot

[–]50-cal 20 points21 points  (10 children)

That it does. Unfortunately every sub is susceptible to a higher signal to noise ratio the more popular it becomes. Considering the quality of posts these days, I just use the main TRP sub as a hub for the sidebar material and top posts.

It's understandable a lot of people that come here are still in the angry and bitter phase though. Those who move past it may find or be invited to join the other subs and begin to move on into a more successful life, everyone else, well they can sit here and resent women until they blow up and do a Mr Rodgers.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This is what happened. We went from 2k users where everyone shut the fuck up and listened while knowledge was dropped to 50k users in a year. I mean, look at the majority of people that use reddit and you will see why the quality has dropped some. That said the mods are doing an amazing fucking job despite the task they face.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 9 points10 points  (8 children)

everyone else, well they can sit here and resent women until they blow up and do a Mr Rodgers.

Except that is the situation we are trying to prevent. When men come here looking for help we do our damnedest to help them. We work hard to take blue pill beta men and turn them into red pill alpha men. We aren't here to try and take a beta dude and turn them into an omega so they can flip the fuck out and end up on international news.

If more guys would realize the angry and bitter phase is just that a phase. You're meant to grow beyond it because when you become successful you will stop resenting women for being women. Instead if a relationship fails you'll evaluate how you might have screwed up and fix it.

[–]50-cal 13 points14 points  (6 children)

That's the problem though, since the explosion of this sub, it's gone from people learning things and applying them to a woman hate circle jerk. Everytime I check this place out there is people offering valid and sometimes life changing advice but so many people shoot it down or simply don't want to put in the effort to change.

It's eschewing the responsibility to change your life for the better to just another sub for the bitter and angry who would rather fap all day to My Little Pony and hate on women. I hate to say it, but the Feminazi propaganda about this sub is slowly becoming true, despite the best efforts of some really inspired content creators.

The mods banned concern trolling, they should also ban, as OP put it, Outrage porn. It's quite literally a case of 'nut up or shut up'. We know women can do really shitty things, bitching about it isn't getting you or anyone else any where though and is just hiding the good content under mountains of utter bollocks.

PS: I'm not sure how that came across, but I'm agreeing with you in my own, roundabout way.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 1 point2 points  (5 children)

To be honest, I would have deleted this post (OP). The only reason it still stands is because another mod approved it. It reads like borderline concern trolling to me. Anger is a natural part of accepting a new paradigm when all your life you were told lies and it is those lies that have caused you to become so trapped. Obviously we do not want a perpetually angry sub where nobody learns anything, but that is a misrepresentation to begin with, at the same time invalidating guys right to be bitter/angry and work with that to improve themselves is just bullshit "please stop being angry because it offends my sensibilities" kind of rhetoric.

How I see this post is its just another "feel good post" someone who's doing better in life telling people in a much shittier position that their anger won't help them and they should shut the fuck up because it looks bad for the sub. When the sub had a lot less members there wasn't so much low quality "look at this stupid fucking woman" type of posts, but people weren't going around saying "don't be angry" and essentially invalidating bitterness as if it's the fault of the person who is bitter that they are bitter, and that bitterness isn't a result from waking up from the bullshit that is the blue pill in the first place.

Bitterness doesn't just "go away" and a post like this won't help it "go away" it will remain, it will remain because a lot of the guys here have been fucked over, especially divorced guys, but it also takes a long time for people to "forgive" and "move on" when bullshit has dominated their life for such a long time, this is a space for them as much as it is a space for the ectomorph freshman looking to have sex for the 2nd time in his life. Plenty of guys will self-improve enough to mitigate their bitterness eventually, having learned hard lessons from the things that made them bitter to begin with. There will be a number of people who never make it who decide to stay here, that is what it is. Dead weight is everywhere.

Going around "being positive" about women is one way to slip back into blue pill land, because you will allow your romantic side, your idealizations and your emotions to get the better of you. You should always be able to summon up anger at a moments notice, and you should realize when you're being played. As for moaning about the influx of new subscribers and a "rise in bitterness" they're obviously going to be pissed off because they've discovered the system/their upbringing has fucking played them. That is their right and they are tasked with trying to work through that whatever way they can, typically by improving themselves and understanding their own life mistakes with RP knowledge.

Quite the opposite to this post, I encourage people to put their anger and bitterness into artistic expression and self-improvement, fuel it productively as motivation. Don't just "let go" and become some butterfly licking, flower sniffing smiley little bitch "because that makes you more approachable." You know bitter people can make really good comedians, that sharp dry humor makes people laugh too despite its hostility. Eminem got rich off being bitter because he channeled his energy into a creative outlet. Hear his newest album? Now he's rich and comfortable he doesn't have that energy, it sounds like shit. Bitterness = motivation to do better. As long as you don't sit around letting it fester you will be fine. Food for thought.

[–]Sleep-less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You should always be able to summon up anger at a moments notice, and you should realize when you're being played."

This should be it's own paragraph. I think a lot of people tend to forget that anger is a legitimate emotion. It's also a great driving force.

A person cannot be emotionally balanced without knowing how and when to utilize anger.

[–]50-cal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I fully agree that anger and bitterness is a very important part of swallowing the pill and is an integral part of the journey. For me, at least, that anger was the main driving force behind many of the changes I began to make.

What concerns me though, is that there are too many 'Woman did X!' 'Man was screwed over by Y!' type posts. Everyone that finds their way to this sub has either had first hand experience or seen it enough in the world to understand that. It doesn't help to keep re-iterating it on the main sub and just further skews the signal to noise ratio.

Linking to /r/Pussypass at the top was a great idea and I personally feel that the outrage porn should be contained to that sub. The TRP main sub is, as it says, discussion of sexual strategy not 'anger at women'. I don't want to devalue any of the experiences that anyone here has gone through, I can fully empathise with a lot of it but it doesn't help to have constant, daily reminders of just how fucked up the world can be.

If someone is in a fragile state of mind, as you have the right to be after a break up or divorce, it's better to have men showing you what you can do to improve your life, learn how to develop the skills useful in seduction and relationships and protect yourself in the future than to have boys perpetuating how you feel with extreme examples of the bollocks that exists in the world.

[–]ModMachiavellianRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Woman did X!' 'Man was screwed over by Y!' type posts.

Yeah when I see too many of those I start removing posts. Sometimes I'll go to the "new" tab, look for a low effort post or blue pill example and indiscriminately delete 1-5 topics.

further skews the signal to noise ratio.

Only so much deleting of crap can be done. If i keep deleting little Johnny's crap, and little Johnny keeps re-posting his crap and then I ban little Johnny and he tells me to go fuck myself in mod mail (which I mock for cheap fun or politely ignore, mood dependent) and then little Johnny's friend Gareth starts posting crap and the process repeats it doesn't matter how much crap we delete, crap keeps getting posted.

What I'm saying is that the problem isn't so much a moderation problem as it is a contribution problem. If people want to see better content they have to submit it. We can delete bad content but if nobody submits good content you will always feel as if "the signal to noise ratio is lower" and of course in a bigger sub where there are more newbies you have more people with a tendency to post who have nothing of worth to contribute, whilst those who do have something to contribute do not post so often. It is easy to contribute bullshit, it takes far more skill to post something useful.

Linking to /r/Pussypass at the top was a great idea and I personally feel that the outrage porn should be contained to that sub.

Agreeable somewhat, I don't mind a little bit of it in this sub, but it doesn't need to get out of hand and I can see how containing it to /r/pussypass would alleviate this problem. A lot of the stuff posted here is cross-posted over from /r/mensrights and /r/pussypass anyway.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sometimes catch these statements by the mods or see them linked by others and often I think they're really too obscure given how much clarity they give to what the sub is and why its the way it is. Given the extremely useful content TRP offers when it tries, a lot of the newer users, including me once, are absolutely baffled and intimidated by how it actually manifests in discussion. There is little that struck me as these men were actually even trying to be men, in line with the inspiring tone of most RP literature. Don't get me wrong, I'm extraordinarily glad I stuck with it long enough to understand why, but I only did it by listening more closely to the older users or mods. Now while I got that benefit, I don't think a significant amount of newer users do. Its hard given the way content rolls by and everything returns back to noise.

To me, that doesn't make any sense. I think the best way to strike a balance between not tempering the bitterness and focusing on content is simply make this clarity of vision the mods and older users obviously have for the sub more visible. Not more flairs I mean. Something more meta, something like a stickied statement somewhat like the one you JUST wrote or have written in response to other concern trolling threads in the past.

That way, the bitterness can exist without dragging down the mood of the place, and it achieves better its desired effect too: ironically, purposefully and clearly saying you're allowing this bitterness has its own effect on it, people posting it are more aware of what they're doing and they don't get caught in that runaway vortex of bitterness. I get from this statement you've made and others that what you guys are doing is offering is a certain amount of empathy, and while I think that is admirable and I've really come to agree with it, I say, well, why not make that umbrella visible?

Rather than expecting concern trolls to just "get it", make it so that the intention does not escape them. Because presently it does and they're only this quiet because they fear the mods.

EDIT: Just to be clear, if I'm not wrong... red pill is an incubator-type sub for people to acquire a more RP attitude and mindset, but with a temporary allowance for newbies to whine under the tacit expectation that eventually this whining will stop and they will naturally learn to put this anger and energy into more productive pursuit of what they want.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I approved it. It is borderline concern trolling, but it inspired a good debate and he does make a couple of points I think are worth sharing.

[–]barcoed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I made the mistake of posting on here once to ask a guy to look at how his actions and choices played in what happened to him. He didn't have to be a helpless victim. He could give himself more credit and stop dating the kind of girls that he knew were no good. I was so slammed and downvoted. I was told I don't belong on this subreddit.

While you may be working hard to keep the original spirit of this subreddit alive, I think it may have taken on a life of its own.

I also think moderate voices like the OPs can bring it back to where it should be. Kudos to the OP for speaking up.

[–]aresta[S] 58 points59 points  (18 children)

I don't like to go by the AWALT. The principle behind that is that women's biology and nature are stronger than their own humanity.

By that nature imagine if women made a "redpill" about men. They would take studies and say men are destined to cheat because they are trying to spread their seed. We hear on theredpill that women don't love their men, that women love their attraction to men, on the female redpill they would say men don't actually love women, they just love their "body parts." Or that because men have higher test, levels they are bound to be aggressive savages. You could take studies that show men's refractory period changes with new women saying that men aren't cut out for monogamy etc etc. They could use scientific studies and so on and so forth, then what. That men are just violent, sex crazed pigs?

I am not saying men and women are the same, but when I meet new people girls and guys I try to have a positive experience. A lot of the posts here I have seen, look at women as these life sucking vampires that are going to divorce rape, cheat, cuckold them. For me its much more of a, I know the dangers and the warning signs, but I'll see how we click.

[–]lilacblaze 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I've always interpreted AWALT as applying to instincts rather than actions. I.e. all women instinctively find high value men attractive, and all men instinctively find hot women attractive.

The behaviours that we then choose to act on those instincts are where socialization, etc., have a moderating influence. Not all guys are going to cheat if Miss World was flirting with them, and not all women would cheat if Clooney hit on them. But the instinctive urge would still be there (AWALT/AMALT).

[–]aresta[S] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

That I can agree with, I just find that this subreddit often takes AWALT a bit too far.

[–]lilacblaze 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, agreed.

[–]ladyway905 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That makes complete sense. It is biological urge to go for males/ females with the highest sexual market value. That being said, I'm not about to go cheating because some alpha male looks at me. I can get tingles, but so can any male looking at Mila Kunis' tits. What we choose to do with those urges and what we know to be right or wrong is up to the individual. In a sentence, just because AWALT doesn't mean that they all choose to cheat or screw a man over.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well said. There are too many attacks on women which could easily be flipped.

The cold truth is that most women and most men are very emotionally selfish creatures, but in unique ways based on sex. But while the male failures are taught to all, the female failures are erased. So a 19 year old dating a girl for the first time won't understand how to calibrate his emotions, and deal with issues.

TRP is good to pay attention to female failures. But also understand our own failures. And to give credit to greatness when credit is due.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well put.

[–]Ryuudou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So basically you just described why TRP is generally toxic/illogical, and why it's as biased as feminist blogs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The difference is we're aware. And the red pill is more than just bitching. Its also about doing. This isn't the first its been written about or agreed with. Read mod statements in the past if you're curious.

[–]Ryuudou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The TRP is quite flawed and exists with a lot of glaring contradictions, misinformation, and other half-truths that exist to placate the mind of the scorned introvert male reader. I wouldn't call it aware.

[–]50-cal -4 points-3 points  (7 children)

'AWALT' is true more often than not. I'm not saying that alone makes them bad people in any way, just that biological urges and imperatives are damn strong, stronger than however the person has been raised. A woman could be a faithful, successful, church going woman with a low partner count and her own lawyer firm but you'd better believe that the second George Clooney shows an interest, Mr Right Now is going to be 'smothering her and not giving her the space she needs'.

I'd also argue that All Men Are Like This Or That (AMALTOT!), We're either high Test, aggressive savages or supplicant, timid gatherers. I also think men aren't cut out for monogamy. If any of us here were given the option for a mongamous relationship or a Harem, we'd take the Harem. Monogamy simply secures sex for the more timid type, without having to expend as much energy and playes right into the Dual Mating Theory.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with either of those things as soon as you understand the dynamics of it. It's great that you see meeting new people as a positive experience. Regardless of gender it should be and I share your enthusiasm for it.

For me at least, 'AWALT, is a cautionary tale. It is better to be prepared and not need, than to need and not have. Just another step in protecting myself from re-living the horrific experiance of my unicorn being a cheating cunt.

[–]Olipyr 5 points6 points  (4 children)

If any of us here were given the option for a mongamous relationship or a Harem, we'd take the Harem.

I'll disagree here. I'd like to have a family.

The harem doesn't offer any challenge, it's just women worshiping me. It would be great for awhile, but it would get boring.

I'm also 27, I've been through 100+ different women in roughly 6 years. I may be burnt out on that shit, though.

[–]50-cal -1 points0 points  (2 children)

In reply to both the above comments, each to thier own.

I spent 4 years (my years at university no less) with a girl I thought for sure I would end up marrying, if 2 people were meant to be together, it was us, or at least I thought. I spent far too much time, effort and money on that girl, supressing what I wanted to do for what I thought I should do.

Where I'm at now, with this new found control over my life and 'power' in my hands, I'm enjoying what I should have been doing at uni, slaying sloots left and right. I may burn out of it eventually but I can't see it happening anytime soon. I do want a family one day, or at least kids, if only there was a male equivalent of visiting a sperm clinic and having some anonymous donor.

Finally, women worshipping me sounds awesome. How could you not enjoy that?

[–]Thier_2_Their_Bot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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[–]Olipyr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally, women worshipping me sounds awesome. How could you not enjoy that?

The drama associated with it gets annoying. Been there with my own small harem at one point. Juggling five women with my own school classes and workload was...eh. EDIT2: It could also be because none of them knew about the others...Well, for a little while at least.

Plus, the time and money I fucking wasted chasing pussy...I could have been well on my way to a multi hundred-thousandaire.

All I have to show for it skills in the bedroom and a smaller bank account. Luckily, no STDs despite the stupid shit I did. My father wasn't so lucky on that front.

Go forth and slay that pussy! EDIT: Don't be fool, wrap your tool.

[–]ladyway905 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am part of a harem. Kinda. My husband has another wife and a girlfriend. We are poly, but he is alpha. I like sharing. He has to share us too, with each other.

[–]aresta[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am not saying your way of living life is wrong.

However, I find that when you do love unconditionally, that there is a chance you can get deeply hurt. But there is a bigger reward in the relationship I find. That's just me, I don't love blindly I too keep my guard up.

Edit - How many men would be faithful to their wives if Megan Fox wanted to fuck them?

[–]jhthm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have permission.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't like to go by the AWALT.

I wouldn't take AWALT literally - everyone should know enough cases where this doesn't hold true, where women don't jump ship when on the first occasion, where women don't try to leech of a harem of orbiters, where women don't actually try to ride the cock carousel, where women don't devolve into domineering shrew who make their husbands' lives a living hell.

AWALT is more sort of a cautionary pep talk - a reminder that yes, despite all illusions, all long term-planning, all vows of everlasting love, all romance, and all reassurances of fidelity, the worst still can happen even if everything seemed to go well. Of course there are plenty of women that are decidedly not like that (and not just because of lack of opportunity), but one can't necessarily distinguish them from those who aren't, since both will tell you the same. The loyal ones will be justifiably appalled if you accuse them of anything; the cheating ones will predictably give a probably equally convincing display of outrage, with you being none the wiser. AWALT means (or at least I understand it that way) that you should never dismiss the possibility that you got one from group#2.

By that nature imagine if women made a "redpill" about men. [...] They could use scientific studies and so on and so forth, then what. That men are just violent, sex crazed pigs?

Yup, you described a strand of feminism here, and not even the most man-hating one.

Not that these observations don't have their basis in facts, but what really bugs me is that they propagate a "holier than thou"-mentality that wants to eat its cake and keep it at the same time: That women are equally able in every regard and at the same time objectively better. So we were fed from all directions that women are men are not just of equal value, but totally equal in character and preferences, and any time when nature takes its course and the results don't conform to that ideal, the male-dominated society is at fault (unless women are better at something, then everything is okay). This also extends to the moral sphere: Pointing out the... less appealing traits more typical to females (catfighting, backbiting and backstabbing, manipulativeness, capriciousness, lack of loyalty) is a total no-go, while pointing out male shortcomings (aggressiveness, lack of discipline, unchecked libido, propensity for violence and substance abuse) is okay.

With women being exemplary, men are perceived as being by definition deficient, and have to be "reeducated" (aka plugged in) to conform to a more feminine ideal: Being gentle, emotional, always tact- and respectful, refraining from violence of any kind (with outlets like sports or videogames being policed as well) - effectively turning large parts of the more compliant 80% of a generation into even greater betas than they would have been otherwise, as part of a grand design to free men from the constraints of patriarchy as well. The result? We've got a new breed of males from the age cohorts of 1975 onwards (with each year everything getting worse), the "new man", who is apparently so confused in his gender identity that women of the same group start to wonder where the real men have gone: I've read the first articles about that phenomenon in 2010, coincidentally the time when the first members of that group were turning 30-35 yet still weren't entering their part of the social contract, aka founding families and stuff. So yes, what you described, your female version of the "red pill", it exists. And it did a damn "good" job.

But I digress. Basically, if you strip TRP from its "men are so uber"-element, what remains is a bitter pill that reminds people that women aren't actually better than men. Men are polygamous, women hypergamous, men friend-with-benefits-zone women with the implied promise of commitment, while women friendzone men with the implied promise of intimacy, men leave women with their offspring, while women try to pass someone else's offspring as that of her partner, men get into physical fights even with their best friends, women into catfights and ditch their once best friends etc. The point being: Women aren't angels either, though one tends to forget that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah this is the exact realization ive come to after a year of being a part of this

[–]outercourse 25 points26 points  (10 children)

I get what you're saying. Patrice's Black Phillip Show had a bunch of vitriol too, and it's important to remember the purpose that it serves. I had to come here to get some of the poison out, and the hateful posts serve that purpose; as Patrice said, "there's no [other] place a guy can go to just hate a bitch." TRP is that place, and that phase is just part of the process for some dudes.

Think about it like a night of heavy drinking. Put a bunch of booze into the body and it feels great at the time (even though it's artificial). When you eventually WAKE UP chances are you're going to feel like shit. Maybe the booze made you do some stupid shit or you got arrested or embarrassed yourself. TRP is like your big brother who doesn't care if you make a mess puking in his bathroom because he knows that's the only thing that will make you feel better. When you've got the poison out and you're feeling better you'll be met with a red Gatorade and no judgement. You can start your day feeling brand new with a brand new outlook. Just remember that, when it comes time for you to pay it forward, you're gonna have to let the new guys puke in your bathroom before he's ready for that refreshing red Gatorade.

[–]aresta[S] 28 points29 points  (9 children)

I agree with you on the idea that theredpill is a great environment for guys. I love this subreddit. The thing which I see is that a lot of guys come here to soak in poison in the form of shitty things women do, and that carries over to their real life interactions.

When you are in that bluepill phase and still think all women are angels than the stories about the cruelty of women are helpful. Stories of women cheating on their spouses are good examples of hypergamy in action.

But if you soak the anger and bitterness instead of the knowledge than you are going down the wrong path.

[–]outercourse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% truth. I trust the moderators to keep the ship afloat and the signal strong.

Much like pussy, this sub is important to me, but it's not special.

[–]mc0079 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I disagree with the idea that Blue Pill's think women are all angels. I know they are not. I'm not red pill. I actually think that your original post is very "Blue Pill" in that it endorses reality while keeping perspective. The downfall of red pill posts is that attack a reality while not engaging in their own reality. I respect women, but I'm not going to date a larger women. I'm just not attracted to them. At the same point, I would not expect a knockout blonde to be attracted to me if I was 300 pounds. People forget that it works both ways.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I would say theredpill promotes reality above all else. All women are "like that" given the opportunity. All men are "like that" given the opportunity. Men do lots of shitty things, and it is talked about everywhere far and wide. Women do lots of shitty things, but nobody talks about it anywhere, except here. Why is that? And which 300 lb guy thinks he can land a perfect 10 without being a millionaire?

First and foremost when it comes to men, TRP promotes self-discipline. Which, in reality is key trait that separates the red pillers from the blue pillers.

[–]mc0079 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean in regards to self discipline?

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

I would not expect a knockout blonde to be attracted to me if I was 300 pounds

She would be, if you're mc0079 Conqueror of Worlds; or at least if you got currency stacked sky high at your penthouse. People forget that it works differently for the genders.

You are looking for a fuckable woman, she is looking for a useable man.

[–]mc0079 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Attraction does not happen in a vacuum, of course there are other factors...But you tell me do you want to date the "9" who's largest calling is working at McDonalds or a "8" who works an white collar office job?

All things being equal, for the most part people pair up in each others own ball field in terms of attraction. But things are not equal, personalities and status (yeah I don't want to date a women without any friends) factor in. But they factor in for everybody.

[–]Moosebeaver 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You are trying to use women as some type of catalyst? Trying to find an external motivation for any meaningful change in your life is an oxymoron. Elevate yourself buddy.

[–]jhthm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he's saying that the "women doing nasty shit" stories are a resource that some blue pillers (who haven't experienced it first hand) need to see/read before they can have the fog lifted entirely.

[–]N0ty0urHuckl3b3rry 32 points33 points  (6 children)

I like this post. Women aren't evil. Even most of the noxious ones are usually just doing it out of instinct rather than malice. Also it helps to compare what is going on with common sense, usually you will be able to figure out the correct answer to any issue. K-I-S-S or Occum's Razor.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Hanlon's Razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

[–]redpilltree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sociopaths abuse that principle (Hanlon Dodge).

Best to look on a person's past/present actions and the benefits/consequences of those actions to decide whether it is malice or stupidity rather than relying on the razor.

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[–]GiveMeABreak25 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Who and where are there people telling children that obesity is ok? You must not have a child in public schools.

Everyone in this sub misses the mark about what the "Fat Acceptance Movement" is. It is not about saying "You're morbidly obese?Good for you!"-not by a long shot.

The basis of what the FAM is about is not hating yourself for the body you are in that day. There is no reason to hide in your house and be afraid of normal activities (which, by the way-would help with weight loss!) just because some assholes think you are a worthless land whale. It is saying "be kind to yourself, you deserve to walk around freely like everyone else" it is saying "Ok, you got yourself here and you cannot change overnight so do not be ashamed because you know what you are doing to make a change" it is saying "That devastating long/short term illness led you to this point with your body. When you are healthy again, you will be able to change but for today, don't hate yourself"

Healthy at any size is also clearly misunderstood and ties into my above statement-"Be as healthy of a you as you can be today". No one really thinks you can lose 100 lbs by "changing your mind", right? That no matter someones size, you have no idea if they recently lost 100lbs (and are STILL overweight) or started their new healthier lifestyle yesterday. You simply do not know by looking at someone.

"Fat Acceptance" is just as much about not being suicidal over your appearance due to assholes who think other peoples bodies are theirs to judge as anything. It doesn't "promote" obesity. I really can't believe there are so many people here who can't grasp the concept.

[–]tongue_kiss[🍰] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

You're right, we can't just LET people kill themselves with obesity, but being toxic, vicious assholes to overweight people doesn't help anyone.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

we can't just LET people kill themselves with obesity

Why not? That's how natural selection works. The fuck-ups kill themselves off naturally, while the strong survive and spread their genes. I personally couldn't give a shit whether some fat bitch is proud of her obesity or not. Why? Because it's her loss.

The idea that we need to save those who don't want to be saved is extremely fucked up and harmful to us as a species, especially since we're on the verge of dealing with a massive overpopulation/over-consumption epidemic. Keeping the dumb, unhealthy, unfit alive by artificial means (i.e. free healthcare, social welfare etc.) we are ironically leading ourselves to a slow and painful death.

Let the fuck-ups fuck up. It's nature's way, and the only way we'll evolve as a species.

[–]tongue_kiss[🍰] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

I don't think you understand the real problem with obesity today.. There's a lot of money to be made off of obesity, the problem goes a lot deeper than 'letting the fuck-ups kill themselves off'.. You need to learn a little more about the real world before you start spouting off bullshit like that dude.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

There's a lot of money to be made off of obesity

Making money off of people's willful ignorance isn't a problem. In fact, it's how the majority of entrepreneurs make their money nowadays. Obesity isn't the problem itself, it's merely a symptom of the problem. The problem, as you say, runs much deeper. It's a cultural one, where people want to be able to make choices without facing the consequences.

People want to eat fast food everyday, but they don't want to get fat or sick.

People want to "chill out" and play videogames/watch tv all day, but they don't want to become depressed losers.

People don't want to learn new skills or improve themselves, but they want to be employable so they can make money.

I suggest you put a little more thought and consideration into your replies before accusing someone of "spouting off bullshit like that".

[–]tongue_kiss[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The thing is, there aren't as many 'willfully ignorant' people out there as you seem to think. Your claim that the MAJORITY of entrepreneurs make money off of them is absolutely ridiculous and really shows how much of a despicable person you really are, especially if you think like that. No one wants to be used, no one wants to be miserable. Surprisingly(to you at least), most people will try help themselves if they're miserable. If most people were NOT like that..then we'd all be a failure as a species..

I get the feeling you're the kind of person that automatically assumes the worst about everyone around you. I'd love to know what you think of me now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

how much of a despicable person you really are

2 sentences later...

I get the feeling you're the kind of person that automatically assumes the worst about everyone around you

Do you not see the hilarious irony and hypocrisy in what you're saying, especially since you've only read a couple hundred words of what I've written in an online forum?

Judging by how you're insulting me, you're clearly taking this personally. There's no need for that. It's just a difference of opinion, that's all. Relax. My point about entrepreneurs was based on the fact the majority of the money spent by consumers in the western world is on wasteful indulgent shit that doesn't better their lives in any way. Shitty poisonous food, video games, cable tv, internet connection to mindlessly browse social networks, comfort posessions, fancy stuff to impress others. The list goes on. Yeah, most people want to help themselves out of their misery, just not as much as they want to eat a fucking happy meal.

I'd love to know what you think of me now.

I don't have an opinion of you. I don't know anything about you.

[–]tongue_kiss[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Really? You're the one talking about letting a large part of the population kill themselves with obesity and you're chastising me about being a little snippy in my reply to that? Come on man. The only thing that got to me was your absolute callous and apathetic attitude to a large part of the population that doesn't even have a chance to help themselves much at this point. You can't blame the public for being overindulgent when they're practically hypnotized by the constant advertising for shit they don't need. And yeah, I was an asshole in my last reply, sorry bout that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that I want them to kill themselves. I'd love for them to wake up and realise what's going on and what they're doing to themselves. That'd be awesome. But you have to realise that these people have to make that decision for themselves. Believe me, I have many people like that in my life, and I spent a long time trying to make them see the light. The harder I pushed, the harder they resisted. Some people don't want to be saved.

You can't blame the public for being overindulgent when they're practically hypnotized by the constant advertising for shit they don't need

You and I were able to see the truth, why can't they?

No offence taken, no need to apologise.

[–]paracog 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Thank you for saying this. I think much of this is implied in the wiser posts, but it's good to have this perspective clearly stated. Red Pill works for gaining understanding and skills, self-respect and motivation. Not to be used as justification for unworthy motives, words or actions.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (12 children)

Quality post. Really, the OP did a great job walking the line and not concern trolling.

Your anger can be put to constructive use, but if you stay angry it limits you. (except in your deadlifts. Holy shit, is anger ever useful in deadlifts.)

[–]aresta[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Rage is a powerful emotion but the stress destroys your body at the same time. Look into meditation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've been trying vispanassa. It's definitely helped with focus. I still channel the hate for lifts, though, because I find it helps.

[–]bonekeeper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You just can't deadlift 500 pounds without some hate in your heart.

[–]graffiti81 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I still channel the hate for lifts, though, because I find it helps.

Be careful with that. It's fine until you can't walk for three days (or longer) because you pulled too hard on a deadlift.

Source: Been there, won't be doing that again.

[–]Olipyr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or worse, you herniate a disk.

Been there, still dealing with that.

[–]jhthm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Channeling that rage through lifting or martial arts helps me.

[–]aresta[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rage is still a stress on your body. That anger isn't only their when you lift.

[–]TRiPdonGame 0 points1 point  (3 children)

We should really talk more about this as a community. I see as an important aspect of TRP the need to gain dominance over our own emotions. Rage is powerful, but uncontrolled and unfocused rage is dangerous. "Love" (referring to the suite of emotions commonly called love) is pleasant, but can lead to dangerous mentalities.

As men, we have natural urges and emotions which we can learn to master. This mastery is a fundamental early step in becoming a RedPill-er.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Going to bare my soul here, I wish there were a place beyond TRP to go for that deeper understanding.

This place is the gateway drug. I stick around starting/answering threads where I can (under several different handles, obviously), but I'm stagnating here. I'm not learning anything new, and I'm not being exposed to things that push my understanding.

I feel like we need a deeper club/sub in which to talk about these sorts of more advanced topics, but I also don't want to splinter the sub/community anymore than it is.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like we need a deeper club/sub in which to talk about these sorts of more advanced topics, but I also don't want to splinter the sub/community anymore than it is.


[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference between hot anger and cold anger.

If your anger is cold, its stoic and sustained. It doesn't lash out. It is rational, meticulous and fearsome. You can use it.

If your anger is hot, its a liability; intermittent and random. It explodes uselessly in every direction. It is blind, uncontrolled and pathetic. It is completely ineffectual to your goals. It uses you.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (2 children)

My anger is my fuel, my motivation, it keeps me warm. Its not anger at the system, nor is it at women, its usually derived from my inability to achieve something, figure out a problem, or the fact that I missed something obvious and got fucked up by it.

Rage is something else for me. I get that from being frustrated, either by others trying to hold me back, feeling helpless such as with legal bullshit, or having no options I want to take, or when I'm prevented by circumstance from acting.

Either way, I mostly get mad at myself or my circumstances, not all of which are due to my actions.

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[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have righteous anger directed towards those who fucked me over for no good reason, or who abused me and justified it by saying I deserved it, but that anger doesn't keep me mad. Instead it keeps me aware of others who are out to do the same, and it prevents me from allowing them back in my life.

Most of my anger is about my shortcomings, and I work to change and learn from it. Nothing I can do about the assholes who beat me or used me, but I sure as fuck don't have to be nice to them.

[–]ohsweetword 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great points. The cream rises to the top.

Be the fucking cream.

[–]87GNX 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Compare the fitness of the median gay man with the fitness of the median straight man. Now compare the fitness of the median straight woman with the fitness of the median lesbian woman.

Gay men = by and large, fit as fuck, with exceptions (bear subculture) Straights = the average american schlub, BMI of 32. Lesbians = THAR SHE BLOWS

Male sexuality drives physical fitness. Ergo, as women have gained increased power in the sexual market they have ballooned. A smalltown 50's girl knew she had to be married off by 22 or so and kept herself accordingly. Carousel-riders feel free to put on the flab.

What does this mean for you? Well if you're Roosh or GayLubeOil it's a source of endless consternation that so many women are unsuited for pump-and-dump/soft harem membership. But if you're at all LTR oriented there is gold to be had in pairing off with a gal who's a bit overweight, gaining control of the relationship, and pushing her to slim down. Ideally this nets you a fit chick without the ego complex that comes from having been a fit chick since junior high.

Fat acceptance works against this, but you can pretty easily sort the slightly pudgy homely girl from the tatted, pierced tumblr user with an ego that outpaces legitimate HB9s.

[–]ThePhantomL0Ler 17 points18 points  (19 children)

Most women don’t identify themselves as feminists.

And what if they do? There's nothing wrong with mainstream feminism. Its about equality in life, which isn't a threat to men at all.

Yes, there are some extremist elements who skew feminism to their own vision. Here's the key point: they're just angry, like the angry guys in here who've been burned by women.

There are plenty of scumbag guys around who treat women badly. Some of those victims become bitter and hate on men. They don't represent mainstream feminism, just like bitter men around here don't represent the greater community here.

I've only started reading this sub recently, and I've found it pretty sad how many guys think feminism is the root of all problems. If that's your conclusion, then you're wasting time focusing on unrelated things.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I've been wanting to say something like this myself.

There are plenty of women out there who aren't shitty.

You want to know the truth? Birds of a feather flock together.

Shit attracts shit. Don't waste your time on women who suck, because there are plenty who don't. Leave the liars and the cheaters for the guys who are like them. They deserve each other.

You're among the enlightened. You don't have to buy into the bullshit anymore. You know how to get the knowledge you need to cover your own ass, and work on your own happiness with the tools that you have at your disposal.

There are so many women who go home at night to their dogs or cats, and their books wondering how they will ever find a good guy. They don't hang out in skeevy clubs or go to bars looking for random dick.

You just have to be that guy. You'll find them.

[–]RedPillJohnny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...and remember that anger is a phase that will go away once it is addressed. When I first got here I was at the tail end of my rage phase and I thought it would never end...but it has...through my actions (going my own way, lifting, attitude adjustment, etc.), through finding a vocabulary and philosophy that aided me in describing and understanding just what the fuck is going on and through a community of men, that used to exist at the barber shop and the pool hall but does not exist now (if it does it is rare and precious!)...except in this sub!

[–]1bradyo2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I liked this post and probably needed to read it. Thank you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the average guy got man boobs.

only in 'Murica, not here in the true north strong and free

[–]adamlikesprettygirls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

finally some perspective. props OP

[–]Blackrean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By far the best post I've ever read on TRP. I originally came here to learn more about self improvement and being a better man. Most of what I see however is anger toward and demonization of women in general. And stories with varying levels of veracity about juvenile sexual conquests. Great post my friend, I hope this helps change the direction of this sub.

[–]arvindg87 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Something that I read on this sub and that helped move through the different rp stages is the story of the frog and the scorpion. After this realization there is no hate, only understanding: "A scorpion asks a frog to carry him over a river. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature. The fable is used to illustrate the position that the natural behaviour of some creatures is inevitable, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences"

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Similar experience here. That fable above all illustrates the wisdom-tradition inspired, RP way of seeing the world.

It's completely incompatible with contemporary feel-goodism such as "all people are people", or "men do it too, so there", etc. The scorpion must be understood, otherwise she will keep stinging us in the back, and we'll keep wishfully thinking she's a beautiful butterfly, and that's nectar, not poison.

[–]mojo_magnifico -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

SkorchZang, did you just get cheated on yesterday or something?

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No dude, doing just fine here? You must be new.

[–]eccentricrealist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, the reason a lot of guys that internalize TRP get bitter is because they come here every day reading stories about betas that were abandoned by women, or fat women who think they're beautiful, when really, this doesn't happen so often, we just get to know about it more.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good post, not everything is black and white.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what to do. It's a post with valid points and good arguments and it's in this sub.....i'm scared.

[–]Skuncan_Diles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They think that women care for personality/love more than looks. Movies portray this bull shit all the time that a nice guy that goes out of his way for a hot girl will eventually come around. That’s what the whole nice guy whining is about, men think that being nice will result them in being attractive. Accept that women care for a nice hard body as much as you care for “that ass.”

You do a good job at deflating some misguided generalizations, but on this point I disagree. For some women a good body is part of the reason they're attracted to a guy, but rarely the main reason. (And body preferences differ - I know one girl who likes a guy to have a big beer belly.) Many women favor a good sense of humor or interesting personality over looks.

Note that "good personality" is not the same thing as "being nice." Being unconditionally nice is boring and bland.

[–]barcoed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

<3<3<3<3 This is one of the only posts on TRP I have actually liked reading. If you are ever in Northern VA I will buy you lunch/a beer. Thanks so much for sharing and attempting to bring some sanity to this subreddit.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I can't begin to fathom why this toxic post has so many up-votes. Let me respond to your pseudo-intellectualism.

On feminism.

Feminists dictate what is acceptable behavior with respect to how men and women should interact, which is why there's a war on masculinity in EVERY critical institution in North America, and it shows up in the behavior of all women, even if they don't identify as feminists.

Nobody here said every woman in the world is some angry bull-dyke feminist, we're angry because their influence has infected everyone and everything, to the point where men are growing up as docile little bitches who don't know how to get their needs met.

On fat acceptance:

I wouldn't give a shit about this topic except that I'm constantly being SHAMED for not finding grotesque fat whale women attractive and I'm being bombarded with this delusional world view regarding weight on all my social media pages. This subject AFFECTS me. I don't /want/ a world filled with fat pigs who think they deserve to be loved for their beautiful souls as they stuff their mouths with doritos.

Female Attraction:

The biggest source of guys being upset is that they had their balls taken from them at a young age and were never taught what it means to be a man and develop the skills necessary to generate attraction and get their needs met.

There is /nothing/ wrong with righteous anger. Where men get in to trouble is when they use that anger to propel them towards DISORDER (a la Elliot Rodger) instead of ORDER (a la The Red Pill).

Nobody can deny you your right to be angry. Try to suppress your nature and see where it gets you. Use your anger to compel you towards a better life.

[–]musicmusicmusic420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody can deny you your right to be angry. Try to suppress your nature and see where it gets you. Use your anger to compel you towards a better life.

Hell yes. Ideally, striving towards a better life can also bring some peace and relief from this anger. Or at least that's my strategy.

I wouldn't give a shit about this topic except that I'm constantly being SHAMED for not finding grotesque fat whale women attractive and I'm being bombarded with this delusional world view regarding weight on all my social media pages

Who gives a shit? Much of social media is disproportionately geared towards these idiots because the non-idiots have better shit to do. And why do you care what people think about you not being down to bang fat chicks? The OP also has a point in the sense that there are still a great many women out there that work at being thin and (physically) attractive.

You're generally spot on, but I would argue that there is some value to the OP's post, if only in the sense that this sub can sometimes go a little overboard on the outrage and that really only generates more heat than light, and also that acceptance of reality does not necessarily need to take the form of anger or negativity for everyone.

[–]aresta[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

there's a war on masculinity in EVERY critical institution in North America

Really? I live my life never had feminists soldiers come to my house to dictate my behavior. I talk crudely with my friends and politically correct around people

I'm constantly being SHAMED for not finding grotesque fat whale women attractive and I'm being bombarded with this delusional world view regarding weight on all my social media pages

How many fat girls do you have added? Most of the fat women I know talk about dieting and looking better. And if you have fat girls added DELETE THEM.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a reason we base our philosophy on the evidence and not on your conversations with your friends behind closed doors.

I'm a bit more compelled by the statistics surrounding family law and our education system and the blatantly sexist and racist things feminists say about how white men are all potential rapists and serial killers than I am your circumstantial case about how you chat with your friends about politically incorrect stuff.

Incidentally I shut down all my social media accounts because I was tired of the left-wing circle-jerk. A flippant attitude towards weight is already totally prevalent in the states, wait and watch as it gets exacerbated by this "Fat is the new sexy!" campaign.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

What you did there is you made a cheap personal attack on me rather than logically address the points I made like a grown-up. That's the type of bitch behavior we try to avoid here.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, well my apologies then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Violence is the language of the incompetent. Willfully going out of your way to expose yourself to people and things which will annoy and bother you is insane.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes the balance has been restored.

[–]Olipyr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Great shit! Should be a stickied post for awhile. I understand the anger, but let it go and put that anger into something useful that will improve your life. We've ALL been at that stage. The real men will take it and push into a new level of life.

One thing I have to comment on is about female attraction, though. As a guy who has let himself go a bit, the lack of confidence is what mainly affects the attraction. It has not stopped women from ogling when I'm dressed up, though.

I do have a gorgeous face. That's one thing a lot of women have told me. "If the guy has a gorgeous face, they can let the body slide just a little", is what I've heard, or something to that extent, countless times from women that would be rated at a 7+.

That does not mean to slack off with your body. Bust ass in the gym and get that body to go with the face. I'm working hard to get myself back into the shape when I had the most success with fucking a few different women every month.

This is for me, not for them.

[–]aresta[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean everything you do and are makes up your attraction. A gorgeous face can make up for a less than stellar career, and a stellar career can make up for a fat body. A smooth personality can make up for a less than awesome face. The point is you should improve yourself on every level.

[–]hamstercide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They think that women care for personality more than looks.

But they do, or at least behaviour/personality counts, in addition to looks. They care for a confident, alpha personality. I think this can overcome a looks deficit to females.

[–]ennybm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Turn that rage into energy to do stuff. It's a a very good fuel source, just keep it in control.

My personal daily quote reminder of this: "Flame, dear flame.. I give you my all, and you waver and falter"

[–]gprime312 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This should be permanently at the top of TRP. Too many people see the angsty, frustrated dudes spouting female hate and think we're all like that. TRP doesn't mean all women are evil, it means women are different creatures than men.

[–]megatron37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, especially with the fat acceptance thing. Who really gives a shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The bitterness as a part of men realizing they've been mislead isn't going to go away it will always be there, quietly sleeping in the back of the minds who move forward and in full rage and vitriol at the front of the minds of those who have just been ushered beyond a curtain they never knew was there previously.

[–]ThorIbanez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am in agreement, and your english needs work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I agree with many points, I'm not so sure it's as black & white as some make it seem. There are many shades.

[–]InazumaKiiick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I've been waiting for a post like this! I've always refrained from associating myself with The Red Pill because of all the extremely butthurt guys her making out all women to be miniature fragments of mecha hitler

[–]Stationary_Wagon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Post is removed. Now all comments are worthless. What's with the removal?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this. This is the direction we need to go boys. I am glad someone here can articulate it well.

This is the first time I have visited TRP in some weeks after being disgusted by all the retarded posts that were so bad I don't even remember them to comment. This is quality stuff here lets keep the vibe going.

[–]HerrV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it possible to make it so that new subscribers (let's say first 3 months) are not allowed to make new topics? And perhaps even post for the first month?

Hell, I lurked for way more than 3 months before even commenting in a thread because I was a newbie - as should everyone.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The thing is that you have to make your peace with reality.

It's been told here so many times, but I will say it again: Women are like children. A woman of average mental health is not doing the things she's doing because she is evil, but because it's her nature and she is programmed to do so. She is an emotional thinker and therefore she hamsters. She hamsters and therefore she creates drama. And if nobody stops her and teaches her in the right time than she will end up on tumbler and propagate all the shit she propagates.

If you need to hate somebody than hate men. Hate the men that gave and give women all the power they possess today. Hate the polititcians who against better knowledge sold and sell their bros for power and wealth. Hate the studio bosses in Hollywood because they teach their Disney fantasies to society for power and money. Hate the Freud, Marx and Engels because they introduced the concept of the patriarchial society which oppresses women to the public. Hate yourself or hate me because it took us so long to acknowledge reality opposed to what we always knew deeply in ourselves, and we let slip many opportunities where we could have spoken up and taught a woman of a better way. Or hate whoever you want to.

But don't hate the women. They don't know any better. It's your obligation to teach them not to hate them.

[–]mc0079 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think that was his point.

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[–]RedPillWisdom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't hate them, just don't trust them. Understand their moral limits, and work within those boundaries.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

You don't seem to understand what it's like to be a low smv man treated like disposable gabage. Your girl gave you money? Must have some sick alpha game and genetics to pull that off. There's guys who were simply born and raised to be unattractive, and they had to go through the school of hard knocks from getting their soul stomped on repeatedly by both men and women who wanted to see them fail. All the master Pua blogs have an author who was a typical nerd who just wanted a girl to call his, you think they won't be a little pissed over learning how degenerate women's nature leads them to behave? Have you ever watched a woman you like reject you and then watch her go willingly into the arms of a drug dealer? Do you know how utterly humiliating and disgusted that makes you feel? Most of them can never respect a woman ever again because they know all she wants is his power and status. Call me bitter, be yet another douche to shame men for having a problem with the system, like all the others. I don't hate women, I just can't respect one when I understand why she's into me now as opposed to not back then. I'm the same person I've always been, I just market myself better.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds very PUAHate-ish. We don't like your fatalistic view around these parts. Shape up and learn that you can become more attractive by following the methods prescribed herein, or ship out.

[–]aresta[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Okay dude, what makes you think you are low SMV? I'll say these things qualify, are you disfigured? are you under 5' 2"?

I used to be a low smv dude, back in the day I didn't just not get women. I had 0 friends, I used to have people pick on me I used to think about suicide and shit. There was a time in the bathroom where people took my entire book bag and threw it in the toilet and took turns pissing on it.

The reason why my girl gave me money is not because I am some dashing alpha. It's because we have a strong emotional connection. Legitimately, she knows all the fucked up things of my life and I know about hers. There is a vulnerability to all of that.

You are perfectly right to hold your anger that's fine. But you aren't winning anything by doing that. You are missing out on forming great relationships where someone has your back all of that shit. You are the one increasing the amount of cortisol in your body. No one loses except you.

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I stand corrected.

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This sounds a little like that Rogers kids manifesto. This is what the OP was referring to I think. Useless rage against women, it's not going to help you, only hurt you in the long run.

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Being stressed out and angry will only make you age and die faster.

So will smoking, but I like it all the same. I agree anger is mostly pointless and it should be incompatible with becoming red. However I recently started to think this comunity feeds of anger, like the fox news public or even tumblerettes, they need issues that legitimate their angst and deflect from their lack of personal progress.

If you go with the mentality that you are going to fuck women to enact some revenge, you really aren’t going to make much progress.

nobody does that, you go out and fuck them because you like fucking. And how is having hot angry hate sex a punishment for the chick? The chicks that fall for a angry dark triad frame usually love that shit.

Most women don’t identify themselves as feminists

Where do these woman live? I want to meet some to. Sorry but feminism is the standard. And when it comes to clashing ideas even a "soft" feminist can overreact when the sisterhood is "threatend"

Plus look at male obesity, the average guy got man boobs. Men and women in this country got a ways to go.

for each yoga girl there are 10 leg beards and they are gaining influence because of the internet.

Accept that women care for a nice hard body as much as you care for “that ass.”

This should indeed be insisted upon, if you still complain about justice in the sexual market you are still blue, despite posting it in this reddit. MRAs are incompatible with the red pill because of this and they are a toxic influence on this comunity.

Outrage Porn Theredpill has a lot of stories about negative and nasty things women do to teach men about women’s nature. However, don’t let this become your view of women. There are plenty of good things women do

Do not equate morality of actions with morality of people. Any person can do bad or good according to their interests. Men however need red pill examples, to internalise that when it comes to serving ones interest women have no scruples, and it is only fair they stop having them as well. This doesn't mean becoming a asshole that kills kittens for fun, just that ones boundaries should take precendece over everything else and you should defend them at all cost. This is the only type of post where sharing ones experiences and expresing anger can lead to growth.

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There is real life game and there is politics. One has nothing to do with the other. And politicians will kiss those fat asses all day long just to remain in power.