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There are plenty cardinal sins when interacting with sex-dispensers, such as being needy or seeking approval. However todays lecture will be addressing the main reason you're scaring pussy away and that's taking a subservient attitude with her.

Recently I saw two people waiting in line insist that that the other person go ahead of them repeatedly for about a minute. The exchange was terribly awkward because behind the veil of their superficial kindness was a battle for who was at the bottom of the barrel. "You may go in front of me because I am unimportant" was the implied argument repeated over and over again.

The real issue here is that if you're requesting permission to land your cock between an HB8+s legs you must do so from a position of superiority. Girls are hypergamic, which means if you put yourself below them they won't want to swallow your cum anymore.

If you're wondering if you fall into this category simply ask yourself the question, "Would I do anything to fuck this girl?" If the answer is yes, then you have already lost.


Putting yourself ABOVE a women means you understand your value as a man. Even if you aren't a 6'2 chad with a 7inch cock you should still present yourself as one.

Here are a few ways that you're probably fucking yourself up and how to fix them:

  1. Over-explaining shit

Hey maybe we could go to the movies it would be a really nice time and I think you'd enjoy it a lot        

While this sounds sincere it also makes you sound like a long pussy.

Let's watch Aquaman Saturday    

Hey look at that we got to the fucking point. If she's going to reject you no amount of explaining is going to prevent it. Explaining and over-talking is a method to avoid rejection (and just bitch behavior in general).

  1. Talking too much

    Hi Amanda I wanted to let you know that you just look so amazing today and you should know so I just had to tell you how amazing you look!

Many times guys will say the same thing 2-3 times. This is just hurting their own chances of landing in poon-town as they lower the value of their speech. It's also obnoxious as fuck to listen to. Try listening to a recording of yourself if you talk like this and you will understand immediately.

You look great              

Less really is more. It show's your comfortable with silence and that you don't need her approval for what you say.

  1. Insisting

    Why don't we get a drink together? I know the perfect place you'll love it, They have live music, and the food is so good, and the drinks are cheap too!

While you were writing her a persuasive argumentative essay she made plans to fuck chad. Insisting is just a way to say you have no other option and can't take no for an answer. Don't use suggestions, be direct.

Let's grab a drink, first rounds on me          

Sounds like she can depend on the second guy for a good time.

  1. Hinging off of her opinions when choosing a venue

    What do you think of dinner? What kind of food do you want? What are you in the mood for? Is Italian okay?

Again this is searching for approval, but most importantly it shows that you don't have the balls to make any decisions.

Let's grab dinner Friday, found a place with the perfect fillet                  

Doesn't search for approval, takes charge, makes a decision, keeps an air of mystery, it should be something you know she will enjoy and some place that you will have fun at. I've dated some girls with weird food tastes and they ALWAYS let me know somehow someway or they don't complain about it. Ask them about their weird fucked up preferences in advance not when you're asking her out as it will give her an extra thing to think about and say no. I.e. "Is there anything you're allergic to/can't eat" is all you need to say.

  1. Hinging off of her opinions in general.

    What do you think of my ....

Just stop. Don't ask her to formulate opinions of you. Asking her will ruin the illusion of things "Just happening naturally" and will come off as attention seeking and forcing the interaction. Her opinions of you will be determined based off of your actions, and she will show you her opinion of you with her pussy if she likes you.

Understand that the root cause of these behaviors need to be addressed and this is just a patch job to help you smash some holes this year. Happy hunting.

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[–]revaforce 377 points378 points  (8 children)

TLDR: Be decisive and to the point, the more you talk, the more you’ll block.

[–]SeyiDALegend 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Mmmm how do you express your personality though? It's all good be mysterious when you're good looking but what if you're average looking? Where's the charisma?

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    [–]SeyiDALegend 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Ahh that makes sense. I'm never as self-deprecating as the above examples but I do talk some to get across my personality and get the conversation going.

    [–]pillkill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Good point. I tend to look for validation as well

    [–]OldPeopleLeather 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I think the rule is only for requests/decisions. Talking a lot during your clown game I don't think is a bad thing, especially if you're a beginner like me. A low energy game is probably more effective when executed correctly, but a high energy game is much more forgiving. If I'm high energy rambling and speak on 30 different topics throughout the night, I feel I can afford to slip up once or twice since you'd still say ~95% the right things. If I say only 5 things throughout the night though and slip up once, only 80% of what I said would convey the right alpha presentation.

    [–]p3n1x 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    If she has agreed to the date, you are 80% there. Don't bullshit yourself with needing to "persuade" or "negotiate". Pay attention to body language and escalate quickly. After you escalate, follow through with action, not more of your need to be "charismatic". Are you trying to fuck her? Or fuck yourself?

    This post isn't about cold approach opening, it is about speech that is leading to the date without looking soft / beneath her.

    especially if you're a beginner like me.

    Insecurity is no excuse to do things 'wrong'.

    [–]lifeisweirdasfuck 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Or "Always say less than necessary"

    [–]Field_Of_View 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Less than necessary would imply that there is information missing.

    [–]TheSelfGoverned 141 points142 points  (14 children)

    In other words, don't be a soy boy.

    A mistake I made over and over is peacocking, or trying to show you are cool/interesting/accomplished/worthy. This always backfires, no matter how legitimate or grand or confident or proud of it you are. In their eyes, it usually comes off as weak and insecure...or it can damage their ego, which doesn't win you any points either.

    If at all, do it only in person, and keep show and tell to 3 min or less.

    [–]pillkill 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    I read The Rational Male by Rollo and it was mentioned more than once that pea-cocking should be practiced if possible. It didn't quite work for me. You have an opinion along the same lines. Why and when should we peacock and not?

    [–]TheSelfGoverned 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    On the second or third date, maybe. And keep it short and vague. Don't talk about it after, don't expand on any details...Leave lots of room for mystery.

    Don't ever peacock via text or during the first date. It doesn't matter if its one tiny fun/creative thing you did 3 years ago, if its your life's work, something you created that is absolutely beautiful, the hobby that you spend all of your time on, if you are Elon fucking Musk himself, or if its a time-lapse video of you perfectly chiseling a life-sized marble statue by hand... she will think its desperate and disgusting.

    Women will want to fuck you LONG before they are mentally ready to actually get to know you as a person. In fact, that doesn't really matter AT ALL until maybe 30 days in. What does matter -what only matters- is your game.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    Peacocking depends entirely on how you wear it.

    If it's look at me, I'm struggling to get noticed so I'm trying real hard, then it'll certainly backfire.

    If it forms part of who you are, and is genuinely interesting, and you own it, it only peaks her interest further.

    She'll start hamstering all sorts of stories and keenly want to know more.

    [–]TheSelfGoverned 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    That is building a sense of mystery by giving her little bread crumbs of info though... It is different than peacocking.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Peacocking in the manosphere is generally drawing attention to yourself, either with but not limited to a prop, or item of clothing to initiate conversation or draw interest.

    Mystery forms part of it because she's wondering what the hell it's all about.

    The success of it depends on how well you wear it. If it looks out of place on you and you don't own it, it'll flop. If you wear it with confidence and frame it feeds her fantasy/story.

    What you're talking about is qualifying yourself.

    [–]Eclipsespirit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Law 5: Always court attention but surround yourself with an air of mystery.

    [–]temerity18 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Peacocking is wearing loud, flashy clothes. Trying to show you are cool/interesting/accomplished/worthy is boasting, showing off

    [–]TheSelfGoverned 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for the clarification.

    [–]Truedemocracy4 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    You are supposed to show it. You arent suppos

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