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Red Pill TheoryMiss Nevada suggests women learn martial arts to help prevent being raped; Feminists freak out at idea of effort and accountability (self.TheRedPill)

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http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/06/09/feminists-freak-out-over-miss-nevada-suggestion-women-learn-self-defense-n1849213

“I believe that some colleges may potentially be afraid of having a bad reputation and that would be a reason it could be swept under the rug, because they don’t want that to come out into the public,”Nia Sanchez said. “But I think more awareness is very important so women can learn how to protect themselves. Myself, as a fourth-degree black belt, I learned from a young age that you need to be confident and be able to defend yourself. And I think that’s something that we should start to really implement for a lot of women.”

Oh, you silly little kung foo pageant girl, that would ruin the yummy victim narrative that makes the whole thing work!

As usual, the comments are insightful and even-handed:

Miss Nevada might be gorgeous, but needs to realize teaching self defense to women isn't the solution for ending sexual assault #YesAllWomen

Miss Iowa says today's youth are narcissistic followed by Miss Nevada who wants to end rape with self defense classes Really? Sick #MissUSA

Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture

I get that the college sexual assault problem can't be solved in 30 secs but still icky to pretend like self defense is the answer. #MissUSA


So, clearly, teaching men "not to rape" is the answer, because this lesson is what a potential rapist would listen to the most.

They, too, are a victim.

They just didn't know.

Sad face.


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[–]12FAM0US 138 points139 points  (14 children)

reminds of kids show Dora where that fox tries stealing their shit and all she has to say is "Swiper no swiping! Swiper no swiping" and he's just all "aww man! well ok if you say so"

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      [–]ModAerobus 31 points32 points  (5 children)

      I honestly think this is the root cause of the problem. Girls are indoctrinated with the notion that the world changes for them at such an early age.

      [–]Cryocasm 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      The school system needs an injection of masculinity where specifically the girls are told that shit won't change because of them.

      [–]colovick 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Teaching is a profession not designed for the people who would be interested in doing it. It's a high risk low reward field that the majority of graduates are unable to break into the field, and those that do work for effectively minimum wage unless they go into management roles... It's a waste of potential for those who are best suited for it, leading to the common phrase "those that can't do, teach.". This mindset is what keeps school funding low or allocated to the wrong places. You're not going to find masculine types willing to enter such an environment except to coach sports, and they are written off as role models by the fact that they are expected to full that hyper masculine role and are therefore ignored by the majority of students and staff due to a lack of academics.

      [–]jjshinobi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That nurturing words are stronger than action.

      [–]homosexualsaipian 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Finally, utopia I can live in.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      I'm totally going to start giving classes like "Don't rape people 101".

      [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Lesson one: if you see a woman and you want to rape her, don't.

      Next week, we'll work on not fucking a girl who's black out drunk. Class dismissed.

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      [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (1 child)

      These are feminists, there is no logic to be found in their heads.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      The logic is "I want something but everyone else should do it for me"

      [–]t21spectre 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      "I should be able to leave my house unlocked at night! Teach thieves not to steal!"

      [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      They know their logic sucks. They just don't care. That's how powertalk works, you just say things that sound good whether they're true or not. The objective isn't to win the debate by getting your opponent to see that your logic is sound, the objective is to brute force them with strong words.

      [–]COVERartistLOL 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Feminist live life like Dora the explorer. They think that if you say "rapist no raping". That he'll just stop, and run away.

      Yes, it makes no sense. But it's the only thing I can think of that explains this whole "teach men not to rape" riot.

      [–]patriarchal_overlord 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The most illogical part of this is that of all criminals - sex criminals are the only ones NOT approved of in jail

      [–]pauly_pants 150 points151 points  (22 children)

      Damn it. The stupid patriarchy has been teaching me to rape for all these years. I had never thought to not rape.

      [–]bonekeeper 51 points52 points  (18 children)

      But but... what should we do with our dicks, then?

      [–]Manuel_S 70 points71 points  (13 children)

      Everything a man does is an endorsement of rape culture.

      I just need to find the courage inside me to end it all, lie on the ground and starve to death. That'll solve it.

      [–]TRP VanguardWhisper 48 points49 points  (9 children)

      If you do it with your legs apart, you'll be occupying too much space.

      [–]t21spectre 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      You forgot:

      Trigger Warning!!!!!!!11

      [–]bonekeeper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Better lay belly-down because some girl might be walking around distracted with texting her BFF and trip on your spread-out legs and fall mouth-first on your dick, in which case it is also rape because you didn't ask for her written consent.

      [–]colovick 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Shit... I made it this far into the post without realizing this wasn't tumblrinaction... Which is funny considering how much everyone claims to hate this place...

      [–]InflatableRaft 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      How are women expected to live lives of comfort if you're starving yourself in the streets instead of slaving away for their benefit? Get back to work!

      [–]boredinclass2 35 points36 points  (2 children)

      It's ok to rape, just not women. #yesallwomen

      [–]Manuel_S 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Is it rape to drink a glass of red wine?

      Serious doubt here.

      [–]1Mikesapien 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Nuke it from orbit.

      It's the only way to be sure.

      [–]patriarchal_overlord 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Bro, how do I get in on this patriarchy business?

      [–]SirNemesis 51 points52 points  (2 children)

      Feminists. They even make Miss America contestants seem smart in comparison.

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Yea, this is what shocked me the most actually haha

      [–]John_the_Piper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It's like a well thought out and practical idea that'd better our society isn't good enough because the few bad eggs need to be "taught" not to do something. Isn't that was prison is for? Last I heard, rapists don't do so well in there

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      [–]1Mikesapien 21 points22 points  (3 children)

      I had a classmate say this to me in all seriousness in a 'Psychology of Women' course last semester.

      "I should be able to walk down the street naked without fear of being raped!"

      to which I said,

      "That's like saying you should be able to wander into a den of lions without them eating you."

      to which she quipped,

      "So people are animals, then?"

      to which I replied,

      "Yes! That's why things like rape happen!"

      At this point, our professor was suspiciously terse and conspicuously quick to advance the discussion.

      [–]Blood_Vaults 35 points36 points  (7 children)

      It's disturbing how the only difference between an alley in Compton and an alley in Afghanistan is there may or may not be an IED in one of them. I've noticed the amount of human fecal matter is roughly the same.

      [–]McDoner 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      Does Compton have a phantom pooper as well?? (Bagram)

      [–]Blood_Vaults 18 points19 points  (4 children)

      I think the denizens of Compton have a cultural impetus to spread garbage and feces everywhere, but maybe i'm just being raycis

      [–]Manuel_S 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      is it racism or bigotry when the garbage and feces do happen to be there?

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Yes you fucking racist. Criticising anyone that happens to be a PoC is racism in the 1st degree. You make me sick vile scum

      [–]MrsStrom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Flint did! They called him The Poopertrater!

      [–]Lilcheeks 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      This kinda highlights to me the issue here... most people have a different idea of what rape actually is... to them it's anything they regret afterwards, and of course drunk sex and other normal activities. To the rest of the world it's sex by force/against the other person's will. Of course they're saying we need to teach guys not to rape because all sex is rape and things like partying and sex are all over pop culture(which is perpetrated by everyone).

      [–]sideoftheham 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Don't tell me that regretting is a form of rape...

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Don't tell me this is the first you've heard of it.

      But let's try to keep /r/mra out of here

      [–]Blood_Vaults 67 points68 points  (10 children)

      There's no point in debating with these delusional people anymore. God forbid a woman engage in an activity that will help keep her fit, develop discipline, foster courage and self confidence. Sounds like a terrible idea.

      Just let society progress in it's current direction and we'll see where we all are in 10, 20 years. My wife knows how to operate a variety of firearms and i'm going to get her to learn a martial art.

      Death is certain. Life is not.

      [–]ardeudo 32 points33 points  (0 children)

      There's no point in debating

      Yes. As has been pointed out many times, feminism is a societal shit test. You debate with shit tests, you fail them and you waste your resources. To cite a well-known spiritual law: whatever you resist you make stronger.

      The only way to fight this nonsense is with satire, which is the societal version of 'agree and amplify'. Satire intended for the enjoyment of non-feminists, to attract them away from feminism.

      [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children)

      Not trying to eat off your plate, but your wife sounds fucking sexy. Just a compliment on your game, man. Good pull.

      [–]Blood_Vaults 8 points9 points  (4 children)

      Haha thanks man. Didn't expect to see that kind of comment in this sub reddit but stranger things have happened.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      Felt weird typing it, honestly. But, I think this sub could use a bit more of men helping each other out. That's what it's about after all, men holding together and not dealing with the kind of bullshit this article points out alone. And hey, if that means giving each other a virtual "nice job" nod now and again, then it should happen more. So here's my nod for finding a woman worth wifing while maintaining your frame and self-respect.

      I'd say all the "don't get married" statements here have some validity, but I think a lot of it is cowardice in that RP men are too afraid to say, "Yeah, I do love her and want to spend my life with her." Simply feeling that doesn't make a guy a beta. It makes him lucky as hell to not spend the rest of his life dealing with hamsters (assuming his wife choice was good).

      [–]kenatogo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I feel you on this. I think the disconnect is between "Yeah, I do love her and want to spend my life with her" and weighing that against the insane, crippling financial risk that the legal system stacks on that idea. You may feel that way; she is incentivized to jump ship to acquire serious financial gain.

      But I'm all for men sticking together and actually talking/supporting each other. God knows women aren't going to. Supporting each other and gaining new perspectives on things isn't a sign of weakness, it makes us all stronger.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Part of that "...spend my life with her" statement is having confronted and dealt with that financial risk. For instance, my LTR and I have decided to get married. And a big part of that for me is that we do not merge accounts or create a joint one until her ungodly student debt is paid off and even then, there will be a pre-nup. She agreed to both of these because we discussed them and she understands that I'm just protecting myself and I'd expect the same of her. Many people find those kinds of requests to be undermining trust, but I think the fact that we can discuss them and feel comfortable being that honest with each other builds greater trust. Maybe that's just me.

      And, yeah, some people 'round here seem to think that gaining new perspectives is a weakness. Which is hilarious with how much solipsism and close-mindedness are bashed. Glad to see there are still people like you hanging about.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      My wife knows how to operate a variety of firearms and i'm going to get her to learn a martial art.

      I hope for your sake she never turns on you.

      [–]Blood_Vaults 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      You can chalk it up to bad game in that event.

      [–]BooksofMagic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Or gaming the wrong hen.

      [–]Offensive_Brute 31 points32 points  (3 children)

      People shouldn't kill and steal, but we still take precautions. Why is rape the exception?

      [–]Sturmgeist781 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Because womyn.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Whenever I've brought this up, I just get shit on.

      Needless to say, I no longer discuss anything with feminists except for ones that I personally know.

      [–]t21spectre 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I no longer discuss anything with feminists

      Now you're passing the shit test. I just look at them with a look on my face as if I posses an IQ of 70. That "I'm dumb and confused" look without going full-retard. You don't engage them, that's giving them attention and validation, rather, you subtly troll them.

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 169 points170 points  (57 children)

      Women shouldn't need to learn self defense to protect themselves. I shouldn't need to workout, women should just be attracted to my personality. The logic in these statements is exactly the same. Mediocrity is okay because of some unrealistic ideal. The end result is a society of lazy defenseless losers who are easy for the elites to control.

      [–]youonlylive2wice 57 points58 points  (30 children)

      Don't need to lock your house or car either.

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 66 points67 points  (21 children)

      People shouldn't need to have guns because the police will protect you. Even though the courts repeatedly have ruled that cops have no legal duty to aid. But don't wory continue being helpless. Everything will be okay.

      [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

      When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

      [–]HitlersCow 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      More like 2-4 hours in Detroit

      [–]youonlylive2wice 22 points23 points  (16 children)

      Its not that the police will help, its that no one will do anything which requires the police in the first place! The police are a product of the patriarchy and promote rape culture!

      [–]KJL13 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      The police are just there to write up a report and take the body.

      [–]rcglinsk 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      In highly civilized and law abiding societies you don't really have to. In Japan they have convenience stores that aren't staffed all the time. They just leave a till on the counter and customers figure their tab, pay, make their own change.

      [–]youonlylive2wice 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I'd relate that less to the "civilized" part of society and more towards the societies prioritization of "group" vs "self"

      [–]rcglinsk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Fair enough. I find myself using the word civilized to mean tending toward prioritizing group over self.

      [–]1Gavlan_Wheel 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      The Japanese are really interesting.

      The average Japanese is smart and peaceful, but get them going in a war and you'll see some of the most barbaric behavior on the planet.

      [–]rcglinsk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Don't make me angry, you won't like me when I'm angry.

      [–]fodosho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I don't....

      [–]MRAfront 15 points16 points  (3 children)

      Just look at the fat acceptance movement, women demanding men to adjust their preferences but dont dare You to try to flirt with them if you don't look like Channing Tatum in magic Mike.

      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      lol but thats exactly how I look

      [–]colovick 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Don't we all?

      [–]smokeybehr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I look more like Tater Salad, but that's not the point.

      [–]rcglinsk 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Martial arts or no, women don't have the strength to win a fight with a man.

      So, if the martial arts training gives a woman the extra seconds she needs to get her pepper spray, good. If it deludes her into thinking she can actually win a fight and she's badly hurt when she might have had a chance to run away, bad.

      Edit: from below yes I see your point was contrasting the logic and my comment's a bit off topic.

      My concern is just that people are very stupid and some women might actually take the pageant winner seriously. It really could lead to beatings/rapes that wouldn't have happened.

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        [–]RaOnSouthProvidence 28 points29 points  (2 children)

        Fact: They are only pissed off because a pretty woman is the one telling them to take self-defense.

        If some fatty with a PhD. in Gender Studies told them to "Fight back grrrrl! TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!" they would be pissing all over themselves in happiness.

        Modern radfems don't want any advice from women who are attractive, respected and successful. Even if it is to their own benefit.

        [–]watersign 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        this comment needs to be linked to SRS lol

        [–]t21spectre 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Oh, I'm sure they're here.

        [–]FattieShamer9000 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        "I don't need to learn how to drive. Teach other drivers to swerve out of my way!"

        [–]bookhockey24 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        This is the best analogy, because feminism teaches women that they are not responsible for their own actions; men are.

        [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (7 children)

        "Women shouldn't need to protect themselves against rape." Really? Should men not need to protect themselves for being murdered? There will always be bad people in the world, even if feminist got the "utopia" they seem to have in mind. I'm not sure why proactive steps to solve the problem would be so offensive.

        [–]2niczar 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        Car users should not have to wear seat belts, instead drivers should be made not to have accidents!

        [–]Cern_Stormrunner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        All cars should be made out of Nerf!

        [–]Offensive_Brute 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Butch lesbians are quicker to kick a stupid bitches face in than most dudes. Their utopia will not be a utopia.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, hence my quotes around it. Honestly it sounds more post-apocalyptic to me. =P

        [–]Nieben 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Should men not need to protect themselves from getting raped too? I mean, if we're all about equality 'n shit...

        [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

        Cutting through the scathing sarcasm in this thread, /u/Manuel_S makes an interesting thought.

        Everything a man does is an endorsement of rape culture.

        Honestly though, if we're all serious for a second here, it does often feel this way. I can't discuss the issues (cuz I'm a man and my opinions are invalid) and I can't take action to help women (cuz that's men taking over again).

        So we're left with women helping themselves. But here we see women don't WANT to help themselves. They want to talk about it...

        But at the end of the day, who is it that protects women? Certainly not other women, after all, they rip into each other the hardest of anyone!!

        They're like this hopelessly lost collective of children crying and running around, but when you offer them a hand they scream, cry and slap it away.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The main absurdity of feminism is that they aren't taking action to change society, they're gathering in groups and asking (or demanding, depending on their flavour of feminism) men to change things for them, or give them equal rights, or to protect them, or to stop raping them in this case.

        Even when they're trying to show their independence they still do it in a way that depends on men. Men actually take action, women whine until a man does it for them.

        [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (5 children)

        The whole idea of "teaching men not to rape" is preposterous.

        I'm still a bit uneducated, so I don't know any better. I mean, I got an A- in Intro to Morality of Murder, so I think I have a basic understanding. My radical left-wing progressivist indoctrination center university doesn't offer Rape Morality 101 yet, though, so I'm kind of unsure as to whether the rape of women is morally justified or not.

        Is there an online course or a series of YouTube videos that could teach me? Please, I'm desperate!

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          [–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Personally, I was always swayed by those "Don't Rape" propaganda posters. I was walking down the street one day, dick in hand, ready to pounce on a little honey and just go to down on her, but then I saw that poster and I realized that what I was doing was a felony and kind of sociopathic.

          [–]t21spectre 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          LMAO, that picture needs to go up on /b/. The fun they would have with that.

          [–]zpatriarchy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Is there an online course or a series of YouTube videos that could teach me?

          lol, that's brilliant. i'm going to use that one next time!

          [–]Unpopular_But_Right 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Men should be taught not to rape! But it's not our job to educate you!

          [–]Clauderoughly 23 points24 points  (2 children)

          The current system is geared towards women being able to do what ever they want (get blackout drunk, slut around to the maximum) without being held accountable for any of their actions, and if there are bad outcomes being able to blame a man for it.

          The feminist cancer is now in stage 4 in the university system, it is in the process of completely killing the idea of university.

          University is supposed to be a place where you go to learn, and have your ideas and world views challenged. Now it has been turned into a feminist brainwashing factory, where women are the rulers and anyone who shows any sort of free thought is booted out and called a rapist for good measure.

          Women have become the pigs in animal farm, more equal than others, and men are the loyal Clydesdale.

          And we all know what happened to Boxer, once his usefulness was over..

          [–]BroseppeVerdi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The Elmer's Glue guy is a cow... I just realized how fucked up that is...

          [–]t21spectre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          As a Brony I find that picture deeply offensive.

          [–]Kharn0 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          I got in this very same argument last week. First time I've ever been called part of the patriarchy. Feels good man

          [–]aww40 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          New goal. Thanks

          [–]t21spectre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm sure this could be very easily achieved if you rounded up 30-40 guys and marched around a college campus like this Chanting "Male Power, Male Power" pause, repeat chant. Bonus points for making flags, uniforms, and playing the "hell march" song.

          [–]b-monster666 8 points9 points  (4 children)

          As I was walking home from the bar alone at 3:30am, the thought occurred to me...

          Do these women not realize that men fear getting mugged or knifed in the back while walking alone at night? Yes, rape is bad, but so is murder. The thug who misses an opportunity to rape a woman will probably take the opportunity to mug a man.

          It's called having street smarts: when walking alone, be aware of your surroundings, keep an eye on exits, and most of all walk with confidence that says, "Mess with me, and you'll have a bad time."

          [–]CreepAcceptance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Even if they realise, do you think they give a shit about your problems? I've walked home through shitty neighbourhoods at 3am and of course I'm concerned about getting mugged. Let's just tell muggers not to mug and hope it works out for the best...

          [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

          Would love to see every would-be rapist choked out between his victim's mighty thighs. But I loiter in TRP ergo I am the patriarchy.

          [–]Offensive_Brute 15 points16 points  (2 children)

          Is it wrong that I find that kinda kinky?

          [–]KillingIsBadong 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          The safe-word is "Ok, I won't rape you"

          [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (19 children)

          As a woman who has been raped these feminists are so idiotic. There are bad people everywhere. There are sickos. You can't "teach them not to rape", because it's not the sane people who are doing those things. I was raped when I was 17 by a 33 year old man. What did I do? Well I took a self defense course! I always carry pepper spray/ tear gas. I've considered getting a small firearm or taser. Protecting myself doesn't seem to be undermining my value or respect as a woman. I've never had to use it. I'm not stupid to say I should be able to walk down dark alleys, get blackout drunk, or whatever the situation is- these things leave me vulnerable and I know it. People with common sense avoid dangerous situations. If you can lessen your possibility of a dangerous situation, then a sane person would do so.
          As a now disabled woman (unrelated to the above- genetic condition), I have been saving up for a firearm to make things equal. I know most men are stronger than me. I know I'm at a disadvantage being in a wheelchair. But there are crazy people out there and I know that my best way to prevent becoming a victim, is to be prepared, and not be stupid.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Shit, even if was a disabled dude I'd still carry pepper spray and stuff. Not having legs that move is a huge disadvantage.

          Either way, I'm sorry that happened to you. And I'm also sorry that these people are trivializing the factors behind rape.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          My legs move, but my heart makes me pass out when I stand. You know, the experience sucked but I've gotten past it mostly. I did have pretty bad PTSD, but time has helped a lot. It does piss me off though when feminists cry rape for everything. I was held in this dude's home for 8 hours against my will. It was violent and brutal. Not "oh I got drunk and I think we had sex, and I don't like it." I don't understand that especially if they were both drunk. But I really don't understand them WANTING to be a victim. It's not like it's a fun experience, it doesn't make you feel good. If they want attention or sympathy then there are better ways to get it. For a few years after the event anytime someone would treat me like glass that could break at a touch it just annoyed the shit out of me. Just wanted to get back to normal, not be defined by it. I think these people let themselves be defined by the idea of "victim". To me, I want to be defined by my actions, not someone else's. It just boggles me that they want to wear victim as like a title earned with hard work when me as a used to be victim wanted to shirk that title as soon as possible!

          [–]Manuel_S 6 points7 points  (6 children)

          I think of this as I think of a man taking a gun to deal with a tiger: common sense.

          Guns pretty much even the odds when both sides have them.

          But lady, please please learn to use that thing and aim it proper. A lost round can be found by a child... plus missing will escalate to deadly.

          [–]southernmost 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          Lincoln may have freed all men, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          that's why included in the budget is room for lessons! Edit: Also common sense doesn't seem that common- especially with women I've found. Hey that may seem sexist, but it's true just like most women are bad drivers (men have been proven that they have better spacial awareness intelligence). Stereotypes do come into existence for a reason. Other women will probably hate me for saying this about my own gender, but being realistic helps us overcome our weaknesses.

          [–]Blood_Vaults 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          The next liberal progressive social movement:

          Untrained 'youths' (of the urban variety of course) often cause collateral damage when attempting to assassinate their intended targets. Let's give them mil surplus weapons and teach them the fundamentals of marksmanship to prevent this violence. Yay?

          This will make their tribal warfare safer for everyone.

          [–]bcwalker 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          You've heard of the Civilian Marksmanship Program?

          [–]Blood_Vaults 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I was thinking more along the lines of arming street gangs with stinger missiles and automatic assault rifles like what the government is doing with Al Qaeda 'moderates' (lol) in Africa and the Middle East

          [–]bcwalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Oh, so the sort of thing that got Norinco banned from US imports then?

          [–]zpatriarchy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I always carry pepper spray/ tear gas.

          so do i & i work in an office.

          [–]Blood_Vaults 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          A very commendable disposition.

          Coming from someone who's been sprayed with military grade pepper spray, it's a very distressing sensation, especially if you don't know what you've been hit with.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          yeah, that's what I bought- had to search for it. It has the military pepper spray/tear gas/ marking spray.

          [–]widec 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          What I tell many women is that while men can usually overpower you, evolution left them with a glaring weakness - their balls. A moderately powerful hit will disable even the strongest men for at least a couple of minutes, the pain is just overpowering. You're probably not in the position to be able to defend yourself by hitting a guy in the balls, but it's a legitimate way for anyone to defend themselves if they are in danger. Sometimes you just have to fight dirty.

          [–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Depends on if the man is doped up on something. I've seen a man stab himself in the ear and walk through 6 tazer shots while high on PCP.

          [–]widec 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          A hefty dose of something like PCP can turn someone into a monster, it's definitely the rare exception. In a situation like that, your only reasonable option is to flee.

          [–]Moveover33 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I've heard bear spray is some really powerful stuff. It's supposed to stop a charging bear so it should work on the average dirtbag.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          hey that's a good idea thanks! Think REI might have it?

          [–]CreepAcceptance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You can buy it at outdoor equipment stores and yes it's significantly stronger than regular pepper spray. They make you sign a document when you purchase that states you'll not use it for self defence against humans.

          [–]TheRedderPill 8 points9 points  (6 children)

          I think, sometime in the future, historians will see feminism as learned psychosis

          [–]Johnny_Shades 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Unfortunately, I don't see the future being that bright.

          [–]bookhockey24 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Hysteria, even?

          [–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Well played.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          We can only hope at this point.

          [–]Cyhawk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Why people believe weird things.

          Hysteria would be the proper term, and yes it will.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Feminists will be the first to tell you that abstinence only sex education doesn't work, because telling people "X is wrong, you will go to hell if you do it" doesn't make them avoid X. It doesn't work with drugs, it doesn't work with sex.

          Why on earth would it work with something like rape? Someone who is crazy enough to risk throwing their lives away / getting assfucked in jail is not exactly the type who would have been reformed by some obnoxious college seminar about how men need to solve rape. Honestly most rapists probably get off on the "wrongness" of it - what exactly is teaching them it is wrong supposed to accomplish?

          This reminds me of when that NY police chief gave some solid advice for avoiding rape, since he had 20+ years of observing data on where rape occurred and how it occurred. He listed some suggestions, including things like don't wear high heels because you cannot run properly in them, don't assume it will only come from strangers, etc. All sensible stuff that everyone knows. He was absolutely lacerated.

          Hopefully people are here beginning to see the parallels here to female behavior 101 that RP espouses. When a woman complains or whines about a problem, SHE DOES NOT ACTUALLY WANT YOU TO TELL HER HOW SHE CAN SOLVE IT. She doesn't want the problem solved necessarily - she might think she does, but often the identity of "look at me and my problems" is equally if not more addicting to her than the pleasure of actually having the problem fixed. Feminists are no different. What they want is to be able to have something to bitch about - when you offer practical solutions, you are depriving them of something to bitch about, which naturally makes them irate / scared. Without something to bitch about, they would have to remember that they aren't part of some epic gender war, but rather they are just women who failed to thrive in relationships / society, DESPITE society catering to them.

          [–]bangbangahah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Don't make the mistake of telling a modern feminist she has accountability and control of herself or any situation.

          When you do that you mess with there eternal victim complex. There is nothing more a modern feminist hates more then being told she can be in control and has the opportunity to do something to prevent being a victim. Sounds completely wrong considering the feminism ideology ,doesn't it?

          Don't lock your doors at night

          hashtag theftculture

          [–]LadyLumen 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I won't lock my door at night, people should be taught not to steal.

          [–]TankVet 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          I don't understand this at all. Aren't strong women a good thing? Aren't strong people a good thing? I mean, if I ever have a daughter (heaven help me), you'd better believe she's going to learn to box and fight just like id teach my sons.

          [–]Blood_Vaults 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          No being strong is bad. They don't consider the feelings of self esteem of weaker people. The government will take care of us no matter, don't you know?

          [–]t21spectre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Aren't strong women a good thing?

          That was the first wave feminism of the 60s-70s. We are now in the third wave and it has completely pulled a 180.

          [–]ImixLeftnRight 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I DON'T KNOW YOU!

          THAT'S MAH PURSE!

          [–]kingintheattic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          My sister is a dainty little thing and even if she learned krav maga I don't think she'd be able to stop an assailant. She recognizes this and, instead she got a handgun and isn't afraid to blast a creeps head off.

          [–]Audball766 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Some of the stuff here on redpill seems like angry, jaded men ranting, but god help me, a lot of it is pretty spot on. Some of this makes me feel bad for having a vagina. A large portion of women are giving the rest of us a bad name. I have to agree that I hate how a lot of women like to skirt all responsibility and feel that everything should revolve around them. I mean, christ! This isn't the 1800's! We aren't repressed anymore! We have as much power and ability to do things as men and I feel that we have come to a place where the playing field is level. Really, tipped in women's favor in a lot of ways! What could really be left for us to bitch about?

          [–]1Mikesapien 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          "I learned from a young age that you need to be confident and be able to defend yourself. And I think that’s something that we should start to really implement for a lot of women."

          Nia Sanchez is absolutely correct.

          Rapists are pathological - they look for "prey" because they act like "predators." A rapist will not come anywhere near a fourth degree black belt like Sanchez for the same reason cheetahs don't target the swiftest, fittest buck gazelles.

          [–]angst1492930 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture

          .

          people shouldnt need to lock their doors to protect themselves against robbery #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a home owner # robberculture

          .

          children shouldnt need to learn to look both ways to protect themselves against cars #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a driver #driverculture

          .

          people shouldnt need to learn not to wear rolex's in shady areas of town to protect themselves against muggers #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a humanbeing #muggerculture

          .

          people shouldnt need to learn not to provoke someone with a loaded firearm to protect themselves against murder #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a human being #murderculture

          after we're done teaching the "men" not to rape we should solve other problems by teaching drivers not to run over children, and robbers not to rob, and murderers not to murder.

          [–]rluo502 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Women sometimes sound extremely demanding

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          [–]jd_coud9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          well, maybe if we teach haters not to hate...

          [–]Psycho_Delic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Been in mma for a while, and I still believe all women should carry a weapon. Sorry, it's just science.

          Is there the random women out there who rock men to the ground? Sure. But it's almost astronomically rare.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          A trained woman should be able to subdue an average untrained man.

          [–]COVERartistLOL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I shouldn't have to watch my diet. TEACH OUR BODIES NOT TO STORE FAT.

          But seriously tho. Feminist live their whole lives being victims and weak. That's the only way they can be reverent and get benefits. Just look at that whole Elliot Rodgers event. Instead of them acknowledging that he was mentally ill and killed 4 men. They automatically turned it into a women's issue. And how misogyny is creating male entitlement. And how women have to tell a guy that she has a boyfriend? Feminist need to be victims, they need to be seen as oppressed and weak. That's the only way they can be seen as a minority who needs protecting. If they learn how to defend themselves, and not be weak. Than their be viewed as equals to men, who are perfectly capable of handling a situation.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Seriously, Miss Nevadais is spot on with this advice. It probably took her a lot of guts to come out and say this too, considering the backlash she would receive from the largest social cohesion of females the world has ever seen. But, as they say, the truth will set you free. What Miss Nevada says is true and she knows it from her own wisdom and experience. Fucking women surprise you sometimes.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I have a sniper follow me from rooftop to rooftop.

          Ha ha.

          [–]Swiss_Cheese9797 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I like Miss Nevada. Lady sounds like shes got some brains in her head and a good attitude.

          [–]three29 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I shouldn't need to stop at a red light, pedestrians should be taught not to get hit by cars.

          [–]infernalsatan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          tl;dr

          A: Female is the weaker sex

          Fem: Hell no, we are strong

          A: Okay, female is as strong as male

          Fem: Hell no, we are victims and we demand more protection and resources

          A: .......

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          [–]Rainymood_XI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There will always be bad people in the world (bullies in school, work, even elderly people can be fucking bullies)

          I suggest everyone getting into some sort of self defense. Especially the one where they teach you to first try to diffuse the situation, then to fight dirty if you have to.

          [–]1BaltoSquadGuy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Why do we need airport security? Just teach terrorists not to bomb.

          "#yesallterrorists"

          [–]bookhockey24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Sorry, bad analogy. Airports are ground zero for security theater.

          [–]Kardlonoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You consent for evil to happen to you.

          Wishing and hashtaging rapists to just go away is like wishing to become a Disney princess, it's not going to happen. Words and wishes just don't work compared to actual actions. Not to say the whole answer is "protect yourself girls" but its part of the answer. You destroy the "rape" culture on both ends.

          [–]gnt_1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm surprised feminists didn't come up with counter-rape yet.

          [–]ComradePsycho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          What? women can't be sexy, smart and know how to beat up someone who actually wants to hurt them? At least women can still appreciate men who do right by them and can reciprocate such notions…… oh wait.

          [–]Larrea_tridentata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Don't worry, here's the counter argument. There's no difference between self-control and rape right? I mean, all that's holding any man back is just his self-control, like a dog.

          [–]whyalwaysm3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "Miss Iowa says today's youth are narcissistic followed by Miss Nevada who wants to end rape with self defense classes Really? Sick #MissUSA"

          Why is Miss Iowa criticized as well? She's absolutely right about our youth. It seems like these days it's better to be politically correct than honest. Sad sad sad.

          [–]DXGypsy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Unless you're going to knock your attacker over the head with a really big lesson book, then self defense lessons will always serve you better in a physical attack situation than "educating yourself" will.

          I swear, feminists must really want women to eternally be raped just to be able to continue to justify their own existence and propaganda.

          [–]Wide-Eyed-Possum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          As a girl who has taken self defence classes since she was six, I would highly recommend, because of confidence and people tend to back off when martial arts are mentioned. "teach rapists not to rape" is simply not going to work, and it would be beneficial to start taking appropriate actions to he keep ourselves safe, since it never seems like people are going to come to the rescue. Women get blamed too much when they become victims of assault, and now feminists are trying to tell us to rely on other people to keep us safe? I'd rather stand up for myself thanks

          [–]blueeyedbull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I have over 30 years experience in the martial arts. 5th dan in one, 1st dan in another, and done a whole host of others as well as a long history in reality based systems. I have taught "women's self defense courses" over the years and always get at least one feminist in the class living in her own fantasy world. For example. the first rule of self preservation is to not put yourself in danger, situational analysis and awareness is key. Can you imagine going for a swim in a river full of crocodiles? It would be stupid, correct? Well, when I give an example, such as, not walking to your car alone late at night. The typical feminist says, "Why should I not be able to walk to my car late at night? Just because I am a woman, I can't walk to my car late at night? Why should I inconvenience myself because of violent men who can' control themselves?" My usual response is, depending on my mood, " Perhaps this class is not for you as this class is based on reality and not a philosophical debate over your fantasy life. Since we are all fantasizing here, how about we all dream of all the things we wish we could do and are unable to do because of reality." Or, when I am in a good mood, "Umm, smart men also do not walk to their car alone late at night." Anyway, glad to see a hot young lady like Miss Nevada have some common sense.

          [–]LadyLumen 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          I shouldn't need to wear goggles and a lab coat in the chemistry lab, the chemicals should be taught not to burn me.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          See, this actually isn't a good comparison because it is in the chemicals' nature to burn you (assuming they are strong ones that you are working with - I'm treating these chemicals as a single group).

          However, the fact is that there are just some bad people out there. It's not like one out of a thousand times using the same chemical will burn you (analagous to walking the same route every night), it's that it is always the same - and that is not the same as people.

          [–]1Zackcid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          True, I've noticed a few other analogies in this thread also aren't as accurate. Raping takes premeditation, getting hit by a swerving car was an accident. You don't "accidentally" rape somebody.

          But there are a few good analogies in here as well that should be kept for the next time a broad tosses this shit at us.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          All of my sisters have mace/tasers to use if needed. They know it's a dangerous world out there and they always keep that in mind in case they encounter creepy scumbags.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Of course they attacked that message--rape culture isn't real. It is just a victimhood idea to keep the privileges pouring in.

          [–]dancingwithcats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I like this Miss Nevada. I used to teach self defense classes to women, as well as more general Tae Kwon Do classes to the general public. I made sure my wife and daughter knew enough basic technique to defend themselves. Typical idiot feminists who think they shouldn't have to defend themselves. No, they shouldn't have to but violence is a real thing, and sticking one's head in the sand and pretending like it will magically go away because it's a bad thing is just plain stupidity.

          [–]1TVTestPattern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You said "rape" twice...

          [–]1Mikesapien 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          "Here's a suggestion: Let's keep teaching everyone that rape is barbaric while also teaching women about self-defense should they find themselves in a bad situation. We can and should do both."

          Applause-worthy.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Does this mean that if a woman fights off a rapist with her karate skills, the feminists will be shocked and appalled? And only us menfolk will think well of her for it?

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