New and very confused

norahlady · 2019-01-11T17:02:56+00:00

You're right, they are super different. Honestly, even though I'm on RPW a lot, I would be wary of any guy who frequents TRP.

The concept of "taking the red pill" extends to far more than just sex/gender issues. It has to do with accepting harsh truths that may go against the dominant narrative of current society. It's about accepting reality and making choices to give yourself the best advantage you can to get the outcome you want.

I might love eating doughnuts and being lazy, and modern society might tell me that I don't need to be thin or fit to be a good person. The right guy will love me for who I am, not my body or the number on the scale. That sounds nice (blue pill). But in reality, if I'm fat, men won't be attracted to me. In general, humans are attracted to healthy, fit humans. So by "taking the red pill", I accept that being fat is a disadvantage, and I work hard to get fit so I have the greatest advantage to get the outcome I want (attracting men, getting the attention of a quality man to marry, etc).

On both TRP/RPW, we're trying to play the game of life to our greatest advantage. We accept biological realities observed in human history and in other animals. We believe that men, in general, have the drive to have sex with many young, attractive women. Women, in general, have the drive to find the single most fit male to mate with, and then attract and keep him. So, in general, the content on the two subs corresponds to those goals.

Hopefully this helps a bit? Feel free to DM if you want to chat more.

[deleted] · 2019-01-11T17:10:52+00:00

For every 1 quality woman out there, men have to sort through dozens and dozens. This isn’t the 1800s where everyone is marriage minded and strive to be marriage worthy.

Your average, typical western girl is living the good life and not ready to settle down until she’s late 20s. Men are just taking advantage of this slut abundance society. If I were a man, I do it too. Whether for a short period of time or indefinitely until they find their wife material girl.

Human nature is interesting and because men and women are different we will have needs that contradict. The biggest difference is women carry children. Because of this, women have to have security and commitment. We can’t afford to get pregnant with an irresponsible man.

But birth control changed all that. I won’t elaborate because you know already.

Chevvron · 2019-01-11T17:41:19+00:00

Hi! When I found TRP and RPW I was confused too. There are many contradictions. I thought, why would a woman want to be with a TRP man? Turns out, that's not the goal of RPW.

Men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are the gatekeepers of sex. TRP teaches men how to get more sex, RPW teaches women how to get commitment from men. The type of women TRP is looking for are NOT RPW women, and vice versa. While RPW wants alpha, masculine men, marriage material men will have some beta traits.

The lessons do go beyond "am I pretty enough," though I think there's too much emphasis on it. It's teaches women how to be feminine, classy, and submissive. You can wear pink dresses and heels all you want, but if you curse, slam down beers, and nag your boyfriend you aren't feminine. Being submissive isn't being a doormat, but allowing your SO to take the lead and let him provide for you. There's also tips on cooking, working out, finding hobbies, making female friends, and keeping your home clean.

I would suggest reading the sidebar content so you get a better idea. The ladies here are brutally honest but give great advice, even if it's not what you want to hear.

sacchariferous · 2019-01-11T18:10:28+00:00

"The Red Pill" is a state of awareness. It's knowing the truth about how men and women behave and have behaved since the dawn of time. What you choose to do with that knowledge is how TRP and RPW came about.

TRP uses that knowledge to "game" the system. I won't go into much more detail about it, because I don't frequent that sub.

MGTOW gained that knowledge and chose to bow out of the game. They know the truth and decide they don't want to take part in it.

Married Red Pill (or whatever it's called) uses that knowledge to make the best out of their relationships.

We, RPW, use that knowledge to become the best women we can be, knowing what truly makes women happy and how the best relationships work. The current "system" is highly favorable to women, though your average modern feminist thinks she's a victim somehow. But, knowing this, it's *very* easy to stand out from the crowd.

Redpetrol · 2019-01-11T16:38:39+00:00

There are thousands upon thousands of contradictions.
My opinion is that essentially rpw seems to about removing the shame society and a small aggressive branch of feminism has put on women assuming a supportive (submissive) role in a relationship over one which is demanding or pressurising relationships and suffocating modern male masculinity.

In short, do nice things for your husband and don't be afraid to let him take the lead and feel special.

All stems from ideas that men and women don't put enough time into understanding what each other wants and what they can give.

EG. Women want to be adored with attention, security. Men want to be adored with loyalty, respect.

girlwithabike · 2019-01-11T16:42:51+00:00

Have you read this post from the sidebar yet?

It's really difficult to read a few posts on the front page of each sub and decide what they are about. You have to get more into the sidebar and the wiki to get a fuller picture.

ManguZa · 2019-01-11T16:59:19+00:00

It's not the same public.

RPW public is women who want to succeed in finding a man/keeping a man.

TRP public is mostly young men who try to learn how to seduce and divorced men resentful about their ex wife.

But the evopsy core principles are the same.

sonder_one · 2019-01-11T17:40:10+00:00

The "Red Pill" is about accepting truth instead of rebelling against it. That's it. What you do with that truth is going to vary.

TRP is men trying to optimize their outcomes given the truths, RPW is women trying to optimize THEIR outcomes given the truths. That leads to different behaviors.

Also, since the world is so anti-men and anti-truth right now, many men find that being harsh in the direction opposite PC narratives is cathartic, helpful, or both. For example, men predisposed to putting women on pedestals (that's a lot of men) self-medicate by veering in the opposite direction: women are terrible people.

FwoGiZ · 2019-01-11T17:55:27+00:00

both are about being better at finding what you need/want in a relationship

both strongly encourages personal and individual betterment of oneself

You seem to put a lot of emphasis on the negative which there will inevitably always be... as in anything in life, it's better to just take what's good and leave the rest.

Here's a tip I could give you since you are just starting to discover the philosophy?

I am guessing you are a women? I think one of the most important thing is to find out early what you REALLY want. I know ultimately you'd want both a VERY fufilling career AND a family but I find that you still have to pick one. Fufilling career is good if you like to party, travel, live life to its fullest. But if you go that path, your family might suffer. If family is REALLY important for you, then you can still have a career but it should totally be as a secondary/supportive role.

Hope that helps. Cheers

pt5 · 2019-01-11T18:58:11+00:00

As far as sexual strategy is concerned, here's a breakdown of what "the red pill" is:

You're seeing opposite sides of the same coin. One thing you'll see written in the red pill world often is that "sexual strategy is amoral." For women, this amoral sexual strategy is sleeping with the best possible candidate(s) (most often by one male at a time) while securing the best providership available to them from said candidate(s). For men, this means sleeping with as many young beautiful women as possible and only committing (a.k.a. granting providership - for the sake of having domestic duties taken care of and having children if desired) to ones that show increasingly rare submissive traits and the lowest number of previous sexual partners possible (ideally zero). You can see where the two strategies overlap - that's where the two worlds of TRP and RPW collide. "Red Pill" (whether focusing on women or men) is the study, exploration, and implementation of how (generally speaking) men and women "work," their wants/needs/desires, how they interact, and how to benefit from that dynamic.

Men inherently want to fuck as many young beautiful women (not the same individual women, but the same age range) for as many years as they can. TRP focuses on maximizing this potential and points out how not to screw up that goal (don't settle down unless it benefits you, don't be a beta bitch in the short term even though you may want to be one because you'll be worse for it in the long term, internalize that you are the prize, fuck sluts but don't get serious with them, avoid marriage because it doesn't benefit you, etc.)

Women inherently want to be taken care of and have a secure relationship to raise children in. RPW focuses on maximizing this potential and points out how not to screw up that goal (do things that attract good men, don't be a slut even though you may want to be one in the short term because you'll be worse for it in the long term, dress modestly, be submissive and attractive and pleasant to make your partner want to stick around long term, etc.).

Both sides recognize the other as simply doing what's best for their kind, but amorally focus on their own strategy while lending insight to the other. Ideally, eventually certain sacrifices are made and the two sides meet in a constructive way - this is the relationship dynamic that is optimal and lasts a lifetime. The woman suppresses her hypergamy among things, the man suppresses his desire to sleep with other women among things, they learn to be happy with each other while challenging each other, raise a family together with the man at the head of the household as the dominate masculine provider and the wife is the submissive feminine caretaker, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Phoenixston · 2019-01-11T19:34:34+00:00

I’m a man who enjoys reading both subs. I will admit that the male TRP sub is full of many guys who are incel, MGTOW or in the anger phase of realizing innate human nature. Hence the boorish attitudes towards women in general.

My opinion is that TRP and RPW reflect two different sexual strategies. Men are biologically designed to impregnate many women whereas women are biologically designed to be impregnated by many fewer men. The realities of childbearing necessitate a need for a long term mate to help provide for the woman and offspring as the woman is presumably taking of the role of childrearing.

The distinction between many partners and few is what distinguishes TRP from RPW. Otherwise, you’ll notice that the importance placed on masculine and feminine roles is consistent across both.

I wouldn’t say there are philosophies to learn so much as biology, human nature and psychology. I would start by reading the all time top posts on RPW if it’s the female sexual strategy that interests you.

————————- A note for clarities sake: None of this is to say that men cannot be truly satisfied by a long term relationship.

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-01-12T04:54:37+00:00

Yeah, you have to filter out the masses of young men in TRP, who are either in anger phase, or think RP is all just about 'fucking women'.

It's not all about that, at it's core. Much of RP is about waking up to the idea that modern feminism and society as lied. There has been a message that for some reason, masculinity is bad. Many young guys but into the idea that they should be emasculated, put women on pedestals, treat them like princesses, and don't be like 'those horrible manly men'.

We take on the message, and wonder why women don't want us, dump us, fizzle out attraction, and end up liking the 'strong jerks'.

The healthy part if RP, is about rejecting this modern feminist message. Understanding that it gets us nowhere. Many guys don't cotton onto the fact that true RP is about becoming strong again, reintegrating our masculine. Being leaders, assertive, boundaries. Working out physically, and having a mission in life.

This is what women are inherently attracted to. If we want to get our needs met, understand basic biology and attraction.

Those guys who call every woman 'sluts and cheaters' are only really there to learn how to get more sex.

True RP is much deeper than that, and about becoming the best man you can be.

We are also made aware of the true nature of people, and a lot of women. Don't pedestalise someone, and whilst LTR and marriage is possible, some women are best kept for sex. Sorry, but same as many men will never be suitable partners.

We do vet, in RP too, though. We are taught to vet, and be careful and choose wisely. We are also taught that if we want to maintain attraction, in an LTR, we have to keep up our game.

There are no fairy tales. Everything takes work, with the correct knowledge of how things work.

MrTrizzles · 2019-01-11T21:18:01+00:00

TRP is largely comprised of guys learning how to be men. And just as important, how to attract and seduce women. Just being able to have regular sex is a giant leap up, which is why you see it emphasized to a far greater degree than LTRs. But relationship threads are there if you look. (That’s not to imply that LTRs are preferable — many men will be quite content with a steady stream of plates forever amen.)

caneyfan · 2019-01-11T18:55:23+00:00

It’s a matter of perspective. RPW (female perspective) is about being a great gf/wife/partner and standing out from the craziness that is modern society. Attracting a high value man that would appreciate and make a commitment to such a woman (to men in today’s world it’s akin to “wow they do exist”). That is the norm. Which brings me to TRP (male perspective).

A man needs tools and guide to help navigate the 100-1 ratio (not actual figure but you get the picture) of a woman that is worthy of commitment and not getting burned in the process. So yes, you play the field and know what to look for and not settling down due to misjudging what a quality woman actually looks/behaves like.

A matter of perspective. I (m) frequent both the subs because it helps me better identify what a “good woman” will look like in the process of navigating the wilderness that is our feminist society. That’s my view on why the differences between RPW vs TRP. Same ideology/theory but viewed from different landscapes due to perspective of the sex.