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Hey guys , I've been dating this girl right now and it has started going serious for 2 years . Her father is a businessman and wants to hire me and put me in a leading position . We're talking about serious money here. Thing is I have to keep in check her hypergamy cause if she branch swings it's all gone.For now she's madly in love with me and her parents know but know this can change . Game-wise it's all good , I keep the dating on point , she's never bored . We have drama every now and then . All that shit . In the looks department I'm 7-8 and she's 6-7 and In status I'm above her as well on our social circles I have massive respect. I also started lifting to increase my SMV and to counter this dread she joined a volleyball team. I'm 25 and she's 23 so her SMV is peaked and mine increasing. Will my steady increase of SMV be enough to keep her in control? There are a lot of dudes orbiting her some are way more good looking than I but so far she has them orbiting.I need to keep her in check for at least 2-3 years so we will be engaged and for me to join her fathers business. I need tips.

[–]neat_man 150 points151 points  (18 children)

if she branch swings it's all gone

Not necessarily - if her father's sensible and you have a good relationship with him, he'll understand where you're coming from if she does choose to branch swing.

That said you're playing a dangerous game here. If she's really head over heels in love with you, then treating her badly could put your job in jeopardy.

[–]modimian 21 points22 points  (14 children)

Yes , all I want is to build a connection with her father . Im studying economics in university atm , I'm going to be a valuable asset for him and the relationship I have with her will grant me a top notch position in the business.I'm not treating her badly but I wanna avoid be taken for granted too.Her father is a good guy beta male provider.
So your advice is to cease the drama completely? Or make it more subtle? Like her having glimpses that other women try to get me(which they do) but me being reluctant to their advances.

[–]neat_man 55 points56 points  (6 children)

No, you're assuming that you can control her, which is 1) impossible and 2) unfair on her. You need to seriously work on your abundance mentality, because she's a real person and like it or not she'll do what she wants to do.

Beyond that, all you can do is work on your LTR game. There's a link in the sidebar that should tell you everything you need to know ("LTR Red Pill game in 8 parts").

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

This is the real advice right here. Otherwise he's playing a game of manipulating others to desired outcome, which is not what TRP, and ultimately inner growth is all about.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I like that You say this, as most people have a wrong perception of TRP. But while it is about personal growth, TRP is also about manipulation to an extent. That's pretty much the whole 'gaming' part of TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But while it is about personal growth, TRP is also about manipulation to an extent.

Very much correct, and I think the gaming is part of the "training wheels" that's needed to get a regular nice guy out of his habits, and ultimately, his perception of the world and women. Unfortunately sometimes people get stuck in that (such as OP). Granted this transformation takes years and OP and his GF are very young (I'm late 30's) so I certainly understand where he's coming from.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotcha, baby steps.

[–]Garathon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Sounds like he just is with her to get the position which gives me a bad taste.

[–]Wolveryn 9 points10 points  (4 children)

now and it has started going serious for 2 years . Her father is a businessman and wants to hire me and put me in a leading position . We're talking about serious money here. Thing is I have to keep in check her hypergamy cause if she branch swings it's all gone.For now she's madly in love with me and her parents know but know this can change . Game-wise it's all good , I keep the dating on point , she's never bored . We have drama every now and then . All that shit . In the looks depa

The father is the only one you need to care about from a relationship/career perspective. If she swings... be in a strong position to keep the position.

[–]Kpwn88 7 points8 points  (3 children)

be in a strong position to keep the position.

What do you think daddy will when she claims OP hit he or cheated on her? Realize that his daughter is a lying, spoiled princess and be reasonable?

[–]Wolveryn 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not believe her. If she’s that volatile, her credibility will already be in question

[–]MillionaireSexbomb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

redpilled dads can see through their daughters bullshit pretty easily

[–]Kpwn88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Implying her dad is red pilled

[–]timothy92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude, who cares what happens with the girl, use this opportunity to your advantage to get some valuable experience that will benefit your career and help you get more jobs in the future.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a chick is head over heels for you, cut the gaming down to it's barest minimum. I recently learned this the hard way and ended up pushing the only chick, post-trp, I've caught feelings for away. If she starts acting up, then work the dread levels.

[–]Denver_Luv 1 points1 points [recovered]

That said you're playing a dangerous game here. If she's really head over heels in love with you, then treating her badly could put your job in jeopardy.

On the other hand, if she starts to branch swing, he can try to convert her to nonmonogamy and trade her for other hot chicks.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a hell of an idea.

[–]mrpthrowa 69 points70 points  (0 children)

You want this so much that you’ll fuck it up for sure

Cool it

[–]_the_golden_rule_ 94 points95 points  (11 children)

Whatever control you're seeking, know that it's an illusion. You're not going to defeat millions of years of evolution, that's just hubris. Keep your SMV high, stay in frame, and pray lol

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

And pray 😂😂

[–]sehns 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Sounds like you've got some borderline autism level analytical thinking there. Take it down a notch.

I remember a friend of mine got his job in a similar way. As predicted things with the girl turned south, and the following day the father called him into his office. "I heard things went south with Sarah." "Yes, Mr Smith." "Very well, then starting today you can start by just calling me John." Names changed obviously. He hadn't cheated on her or anything like that it just hadn't worked out. He shook hands with him and that was it.

Your results may be completely different, but the morale of the story is if this role is a career maker for you then don't cheat on her or give her any reason to make you out to be a bad guy that broke his little girls heart. Make yourself an asset in the business then you should be able to keep the role pretty easily. Ride it out for at least 2 years for the sake of your resume so finding a similar role if you do have to quit or get fired will be a lot easier.

[–]FrankVillain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ride it out for at least 2 years for the sake of your resume so finding a similar role if you do have to quit or get fired will be a lot easier.

That's what you need to keep in mind at all time OP, just in case of.

[–]Katzenpower 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. You sound like a cold calculating psycho, OP. Do you even like this Girl?

[–]Kpwn88 2 points3 points  (0 children)

don't cheat on her or give her any reason to make you out to be a bad guy that broke his little girls heart

Like she needs a reason.

[–]modimian 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yes you are right , we aren't living together so that helps keep the spark alive . Also sometimes I have to be absent from her because I'm working on my purpose(which is university).That makes her worried sometimes but when we're together it's fixed.

[–]antariusz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Worried that you might come home unexpectedly and catch her fucking the neighbor.

[–]SeasonedRP 16 points17 points  (2 children)

A few thoughts. It sounds like you don't have other options to make a comparable amount of money. In other words, this guy is going to pay you more than what you're worth because you are making his little princess happy. Don't upgrade your lifestyle to where you are dependent on earning more than what you could get at another job.

Since most men are BP, to the ones who have daughters, daddy's little princess can do no wrong. If anything happens, he'll blame you. Even if he doesn't, why would he keep someone around who is earning more than the market value of his services? It is thus extremely unlikely he'll continue your employment if anything goes south with this girl regardless of whom he perceives to be at fault for ending it.

You say she has "a lot of dudes orbiting her." Girls who have a lot of orbiters/guy friends aren't LTR material. She'll branch out at some point.

The best way to control hypergamy is not to get in an LTR with someone who has red flags. It sounds like she has them, so I doubt you'll be successful. Thus, if you want to make good money for a while, do it, but keep in mind that it likely won't last long, and consider how being let go from this company will affect your job prospects.

[–]Kpwn88 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Girls who have a lot of orbiters/guy friends aren't LTR material.

This is a critical component to the vetting process. My wife completely cut contact with every man in her life other than her father when we started dating. When a woman truly wants to sublimate herself to a man and enter his frame, she won't want to risk losing him by perceptions of infidelity.

I'm guessing you met the girl in school? There is little to no chance it will last, as much as your ego wants to believe it will. You need to graduate, establish yourself, then find a 5-10 year younger woman who preferably isn't in college to start a LTR. Which, by the way, there is no reason to start a LTR unless you want to start a family and have properly vetted the woman. My advice is not until you are almost 30 and are completely self sufficient. Vetting goes beyond if she gives good blowjobs or is madly in love with(right now). From the sounds of it, OP is still a little young and needs to continue working on himself but my guess is he is going to learn the hard way.

[–]SeasonedRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Excellent advice.

[–]Corporation_Pull-in 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I also started lifting to increase my SMV and to counter this dread she joined a volleyball team

So she's working to keep your attention? I think you're good bro.

About those other dudes, just make it so you're her only one and make it impossible/impractical for her to meet them.

[–]RedHoodhandles 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Controlling her

Read up on Stoicism. Here's your mistake.

[–]1kick6 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Well that’s certainly an interesting way to get your pussy where you get your paycheck. And it’s still a bad idea.

[–]xddm2653 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Back in the old days that's how society worked..

[–]1kick6 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Back in the old days, we read by candlelight, and pooped without reddit too.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You sound controlling and manipulative...

The truth is, you can’t control her; you simply can control yourself hoping that she will follow

If she doesn’t, there’s nothing you can do

[–]ovrload 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This. You can’t control a female. She can only follow you if “feels” it’s the right decision for her

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your deepening relationship with her will hold her to you and your understanding of her sexual and social and recreational needs will retain her.

If she is enough for you then be good to her. If she is just a stone on your way to wealth, expect to desire more and leave her.

Don't do both. Make a plan and prepare but either way dont blame her for shit, take care of yourself then take care of her then everything else.

Your life falls to shit when you lean too far into anything and let other small things slide.

Never stop fucking her randomly, the instant you are alone, or after a big build up.

Always cultivate her wild side. Make her and keep her a fuck hungry animal that cant stop thinking about the last time and cultivating the next time.

Take her places she hasn't been, grow together.

Treat her best you can but dont spoil her. With absolute power comes absolute corruption in one form or another.

Avoid ruts and cut the bad branches from your fucking tree.

Hypergamy happens. If you see it, consider cutting her loose instead of working with it.

Most of us dont have time for that shit. Either she is yours, or shes out and you have 9s to chase.

Dont worry. Whatever you do, it sounds awesome.

[–]Yashugan00 9 points10 points  (0 children)

keep her mom and dad close by - social shame will keep her in check.

make sure her mom likes you

don't forget to stand your ground and pick a fight sometimes. girls need drama. and they don't respect you if you're a yes man

sure you know this already

[–]dark_rabbit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Jesus, it sounds like you’re in competition with her.

[–]northernlaner 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah don't get married or engaged

[–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're simping too hard. If she's useful to increase your finances fine but if she's a branch swinger nothing you do will keep her satisfied. Hypergamy is a bottomless hole, even chad will get screwed over that's why the only guys she can "maintain" attraction with are illusions in her head.

[–]tallglassofstfu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

get her pregnant = the only way

[–]okuli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the only way

to pay her child support for next 18 years.

ask me how I know

[–]Sighters 4 points5 points  (1 child)

i like being optimistic sometimes but don’t put all of your eggs in one basket. nothing is guaranteed. but be prepared if your plan doesn’t follow through with her father or your relationship deteriorates.

[–]modimian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have build a good relationship with her father . He invites me out for dinner and we talk . Im trying to keep both of them in check . Her hypergamy while also building a healthy trust with her father businesslike.

[–]desistrategist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

a wise man once said, 'never eat where you shit'

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 3 points4 points  (3 children)

By the time you're 30, you'll have so much better options than a 6.

[–]modimian -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I don’t care about the fucking woman man . I care about the business and the money she can get me into .

[–]InsidiousCurve 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to care quite a lot.

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't become engaged to her and put it off as long as you can before the father becomes spiteful and you're golden.

[–]cluelessguitarist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You cant control hypergamy, focus on what you can, yourself.

[–]Justanotherredditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even if she branch swings and her parents like you enough for their daughter they will keep you around in hopes that she will change her mind. I’m in an incredibly similar situation to yours - I started working for her father when we were together and then she broke up with me - all of a sudden I get a pay raise and they want to give me a promotion. You will always feel as if there is an expectation you two will be together. Like others said, it’s a dangerous game and can and will fuck with your mental help. PM me if you’re interested in knowing what the other side looks like.

[–]CRGRO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Think about it like this, if your money depends on your relationship with a mans daughter, the daughter's relationship with you is the source of the mans reason for giving you money, which means her happiness = your paycheck. If you think that carrot comes without a stick I'm sure you'll learn quick. Your livelihood is your responsibility. Good kings are good warriors but not all good warriors are kings much less good kings.

[–]Big_Gifford 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Take the job man. If things go to shit and dad fires you, who cares. You would have gained experience and contacts. Take the job, become a linked in whore, make connections and rock the job. Even if she takes everything, she cant take your work experience which you can leverage.

[–]st-johnson 1 point2 points  (0 children)

U want to get engaged to a woman who you think will leave you for someone better looking? You're mad mate

[–]ntvirtue 4 points5 points  (3 children)

You cannot control another person unless you chain them up and keep them under armed guard.....If you think otherwise you are fucking stupid.

[–]modimian 1 point2 points  (2 children)

That's bullshit , a quick history read and you will see how women have manipulated men for their own gains and how people have had such a tremendous influence on kings like a puppeteer does on his puppets

[–]ntvirtue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of that works on Alphas. Only the weak minded and even then it only works as long as they allow.

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people have forgotten Machiavellan RPers and Laws of Power or something. Manipulation is a great tool for controlling people. It's incredible for short-term gain, but I'd recommend chilling it back for long-term goals. People eventually begin to realize they're being manipulated,

[–]koldkillah83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds like a movie plot that could go extreme beta pretty quickly. Advice about doing this for a year or 2 for the resume sounds pretty legit.

[–]Psychological_Radish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Controlling her fucking hypergamy

Your entire mindset is wrong. You truly do not understand the Red Pill.

Trying to control hypergamy is indicative of a Blue Pill Beta mindset where women are either bullied or negotiated into submission. If you have to resort to such tactics, then she isn't in your Frame and you don't have a Red Pill relationship.

A healthy relationship is centered around a woman's genuine desire to enter an Alpha male's Frame. If she stays loyal, it's because she wants to please you, not because you've bribed her or bullied her. This is what ultra-religious cultures like those that exist in Saudi Arabia, India, etc. get wrong. Relationships there are all about beating the woman into submission, often literally, instead of inspiring genuine desire.

[–]Classy_Amir 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is pure manipulation and I love that. Using the girl for the position. Here's my advice: make sure the father wants to give you the position because you deserve it, not because you're her daughter's boyfriend. Be his bro. And we'll see who'll swing branches. If she does, well.. you've still got the position and the slut shaming she'll deserve from her parents, especially the father.

[–]actualimprovement145 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Don't shit where you eat rule exists for a reason.

[–]sehns 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a different scenario where OP is using a girl to get the opportunity, rather than risking an existing thing on a girl.

[–]CaptainBW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn. I have no tips to give. This all seems like a bunch of overthinking faggot shit to be completely honest. Unsubscribe.

[–]boy_named_su 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't control people, only choose good ones and ghost bad ones

She's gonna start testing your hard once you sign the deal with her Dad

[–]Crixusgannicus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I never mix business with where I stick my dick. If you insist though, what you need is an ironclad employment contract written by a lawyer who knows his shit. Keep in mind as your SMV increases, even if you don't "use" it, her paranoia will tend to increase. Guaranteed.

[–]Melanoma_man 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You can’t control hypergamy unless your SMV is much MUCH higher than hers. A alpha friend of mine who is very good looking, does MMA etc well his GF is a HB5.

He just wanted to settle down and they is a very slim chance she could branch swing to a better and bigger tree.

He spins plates now and then, but she is the mother of his children.

[–]cat_magnet 1 point2 points  (3 children)

A 5??? Ouch. Ive done similar with a 7. But a 5 is like bottom half of total female population. So we are talking overweight and pretty damn ugly?

[–]ovrload 0 points1 point  (2 children)

5 is average duh

[–]cat_magnet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yea the average of the entire female population. Including massive obese people, burn victims, deformed people. 5 would be overweight and ugly. Not obese, not hideous but fat and ugly.

[–]ovrload 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol fat and ugly people are below 5

[–]TopOccasion29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem more concerned about your resume and the money from the position at her father's business than her. If that is the case then, spend one or two years working with her father and plan your exit strategy during the time. Some in the comments are saying don't shit where you eat and preaching abundance which i understand and agree with but this could give you great opportunities for your career if you play your cards right.

A girl with a lot of orbiters is a red flag imo. One bad day , her emotions change and she's off riding chad orbiter, and then blames you for not giving her enough attention.

If you truly love her and want to be engaged and them married to her (i highly advise against this) then it's a very difficult & dangerous game even if you're on good terms with her parents especially her father. Remember daddy's little princess can do no wrong. Tread carefully! Just my thoughts goodluck.

[–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> join her fathers business

You're dead. I promise. Report back in 5 years to tell me I'm wrong.

You won't be the top dog in her life. Her dad will. And that's the best-case scenario.

Also, everything you're talking about is shockingly outcome dependent. Control her? Go work for her dad?

Fuck all that. You need to have a situation that's within your control, and this plan ain't it. You are headed for disaster, and it is entirely of your own making.

Here's what's going to happen. She's gonna hit her mid- to late-20s. The attention train is going to start falling off. She'll get "bored". She'll cheat. Then your position with daddy will get nuked, because nepotism always favors family. Then all this beta male chumminess goes for naught.

Study what the terms alpha and beta really mean in primatology. It's not this internet self-serving ego bullshit guys throw around here.

Among primates, an alpha controls resources and mating. A beta benefits from the alpha's position. A gamma survives by not pissing the alphas and betas off. And an omega is a dead ape.

You're not the alpha. Daddy is. You're the beta, and you're going to pay hell when daughter dearest swings against you.

[–]bookloverphile 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t ever rely on a woman or her dad for your career success.

[–]Melanoma_man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite chubby spots etc not revolting but I wouldn’t even plate her in hard times.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re a goofy

[–]mrHappyPotatoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fuck around wit coworkers. But somewhere should be drawn a line. You should treat the situation like the father will fuck your life up if she loses tingles for you.

[–]2embracingtheredpill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't.

If you try to control it you'll fail harder.

Case closed.

[–]Bedtimeshine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I have a chance to kick my resume into overdrive at the age of 25 but some girl might fuck some other guy, what do I do?”

[–]2SirKolbath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't. Next question.

[–]FrankVillain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

some are way more good looking

Doesn't mean nothing, they are shit if you keep up your status going up. You will have to be always ahead with your ambition, reach some goals, don't let yourself go and you'll be fine.

But you ain't suppose to mix work & bitches and their family.

[–]Kpwn88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well as a happy MRP guy I'll tell you that dread game needs to be on point for a LTR. I'm going to advise you against taking the job, because then you will be in his frame. Then he will expect you to marry the bitch. Taking a job based on nepotism rather than based on your actual merits is an easy way out as it is, but the fact that it could blow up in your face makes it like playing Russian Roulette with the gun half loaded. Not worth the risk imo.

[–]cuztrp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you wanna be her little bitch for the rest of your life, go for it.

Honestly it just sounds horrible. You know she's hypergamous just like any other woman and at some point or another, you guys will break up.

I have a friend from a 3rd-world country and he met a German girl. He gamed her right, married her, and migrated to Germany. Found a job, an apartment, and everything went smoothly for a few years until shit went wrong and they divorced. Not sure what exactly happened, but he got deported 2 months after the breakup.

Now he's working in a calling center in German with a way below-the-average salary and is seeing a psychiatrist to overcome what had happened to him. He's BluePilled to the brim and hyper romantic.

Unless you want to be with no real career and homeless, go for it. Be her little bitch.

The worst case scenario is when her vagina dries up because of the eventual boredom of the relationship, she'll explicitly fuck other guys and you'll just take it and be a good boy.

[–]InsidiousCurve -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Listen to this: Are you a female? Why are you trying to control her?

You shouldn't care that she has other guys orbiting her lol. All this anxiety and lack of mental control. This is where having Dark Triad traits come in handy because all those thoughts never enter into consciousness. The red pill community cannot stress this enough: A girl will never complete you, fulfill you in anyway whatsoever- that must come from within. Years of conditioning make this idea unfathomable because it gets shoved down your throat for eternity, but in reality, it's an endgame of feminism itself: to turn men into the good beta cuck security providers that women want after their sexuality is dried up. Before that happens, they could care less about your feelings.